none, just spend the entire load on a single better graphics card, i would recommend you some, but i dont know if you are in UK or US so i cant send u links. How much do you have to spend?
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You dont understand, why couldnt you answer my question? i asked which was better not an alternative, im not goin to buy 1 single card i want to buy crossfire, which is better out of what i suggested.
btw i live in the uk
Cheers Will
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Alright, chill your boots, be polite.
Well since 2 1650 pros are only £8 more than the 1600s you would be mad not to get them instead.
However, I also think you would be mad not to buy this X1900XT instead (for £2 less!!!)
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/118218
Crossfires not worth the bragging rights if your performance is crap
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Alright, chill your boots, be polite.
Well since 2 1650 pros are only £8 more than the 1600s you would be mad not to get them instead.
However, I also think you would be mad not to buy this X1900XT instead (for £2 less!!!)
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/118218
Crossfires not worth the bragging rights if your performance is crap
How about 2 X1600XT's? i would buy them but they are out of stock. no offense but ebuyer is SHIT, everythin i bought of them before i had to rma, not buying anything of them again.
Cheers Will
And if you are seeking dual monitor you still do it with a single x1900xt.
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No im not
go with a single x1900xt, will put any x1650 crossfire setup to shame
THIS.
Eats X1600/X1650 series for breakfast. Just make sure that you have a 400W+ PSU with at least 25A on a single +12V rail, or at lest 15A on two +12V rails.
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Dont even bother with crossfire. x1900xt 256 or 512.
I agree with IcY18, crossfiring two low/mid-range cards doesn't mean you are going to outrun x1800's or x1900's
hate to say I told you so
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If you must buy the crossfire setup (not sure why) than go with the x1650's, but as others have stated, the x1900gt's are far superior for gaming. Hope this helps.
My 2cp
| Quote : If you must buy the crossfire setup (not sure why) than go with the x1650's, but as others have stated, the x1900gt's are far superior for gaming. Hope this helps.
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i would suggest the 1900XT 256mb, not the 1900GT, its worth every extra penny
i agree
Yup, peer pressure makes the most sense in this one. A 1600 just won't cut it.
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Dare i ask why you are so bent on using mid range cards for crossfire?
look man, it's not like eveyone is critizicing your setup, we just want to help 8)
| Quote : If you must buy the crossfire setup (not sure why) than go with the x1650's, but as others have stated, the x1900gt's are far superior for gaming. Hope this helps.
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i would suggest the 1900XT 256mb, not the 1900GT, its worth every extra penny
Yep, your right, I meant the x1900xt not the x1900gt!!!!
If you are hellbent on running Crossfire, why not get 2 X850XT's instead of the X1600's or 1650's? The X850's smoke the X1600's, not sure how it would stack up against the X1650, but you could probably get similar if not better performance for cheaper and save the extra duckets for upgrading to higher end cards sooner than later.
just my 2 coppers
peace
To answer your question - the X1650s would be better.
A single X1900XT would be better still, but if you want to get a crossfire setup, the X1650s are the way to go.
I have more interesting alternatives for you to explore.
Which is better in each case?
1. X1900 XT Xfire or X1950 Pro Xfire
2. X1950 XTX or X1950 Pro XFire
I suspect that the X1950 Pro Xfire would be better than the X1900XT Xfire, and the X1950Pro Xfire would be better than the X1950XTX (for any game which supports Xfire).
That's without any documentary proof, however.
That would be nice because the retail price of two X1950 Pro cards seems to be the same as the retail price of one X1950 XTX.
x1650pro cause i beleive they have ddr3 where as the x1600pro only has ddr2.
Ok thaks for all your support guys.
To the person that asked if i was hell bent on using crossfire with mid range cards..........
Its because i dont want to spend a heap of gold on something that i wont use in 2 years time.
Cheers Will
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You have just contradicted yourself there. You have said that buying 2x 1600/1650 will last you longer than a single x1900xt. The x1900xt is a far better card and will last longer since it preforms better.
Link
The link above shows the x1900xt against x1600xt in crossfire and they get destroyed. So answer me this, why would you buy two cards getting 60fps in hl2 instead of one card that gets 150fps in hl2 that is the same price?!?!?
And yes i am patronizing you but only because you have responded badly to ppl who have tried to help you in this topic
MMMMMMMmmmmmmmmm
I have (JUST 1 questions) If he get 2 x1600 or x1650 WHERE IS THE MASTER CABLE ? Or WHO IS THE MASTER CARD ?
| Quote : First of all the cards need to be a similar model. I don't think you can use a 1600 with a 1900. Secondly you need to have a Master card. The master card comes with the cable needed for crossfire. For example you would need the card listed below as the master card then any crossfire ready 1900.
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I can understand the OP's frustration, even though the proper answer to his question is to purchase one card instead of two. I too asked a similar question some time ago, just out of curiosity, and was bombarded with hostility and vitriol.
I have a Crossfire compatible X1600 Pro and that is sufficient for my needs. But in the future, if my needs change, how much of a performance improvement can I expect if I add another X1600?
Tom's VGA Charts
x1600 Pro v x1600 Pro in CrossFire.
Depends on the game.
I'm willing to bet that my x850 would compete easily with your crossfired setup.
Thank you!!
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You have just contradicted yourself there. You have said that buying 2x 1600/1650 will last you longer than a single x1900xt. The x1900xt is a far better card and will last longer since it preforms better.
Link
The link above shows the x1900xt against x1600xt in crossfire and they get destroyed. So answer me this, why would you buy two cards getting 60fps in hl2 instead of one card that gets 150fps in hl2 that is the same price?!?!?
And yes i am patronizing you but only because you have responded badly to ppl who have tried to help you in this topic
Just stop whining, your all like a bunch of babies without candy.
i dont play half life 2, and 60fps is enough for me, i want to do crossfire ok? Even if the performance is worse than a single x1900, am i not aloud to do that? its my choice, so please stop tryin to change my mind and go single, becuase your just wasting your time plane and simple.
My reason for doing crossfire with poorly perforing cards, in some people opionions, is because i want to have the experience of doing rossfire, after all, i cant help people with problems if i have never done it before can i.
Very valid point about just wanting to 'play' with the technology.. but if that is your main motivation why not go with an even lower spec card? It would seem that performance is not your reason for doing this so you could perhaps have just as much fun for less money...
Sorry if you feel that the world is against you on this one... I dont think people are trying to deny your right to play, they just dont want to see another geek get trapped by the marketing hype.
Dont forget that lots of other people will read this thread.. people are making valid points.
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I thoroughly agree
To help in your decision making...
I believe the 1650Pro IS a rebadged 1600XT - so don't bother waiting to find an XT, go with the 1650Pro.
no problem kukito
'Your_Name' you are a proper nancy boy.
i have plenty of time to waste informing people of the better choices.
first of all you should have stated you wanted to do crossfire to learn from it and be able to help people out. Just asking which of the 2 cards are better for crossfire makes people assume you want to game, think crossfire doubles to performance and they automatically respond by suggesting a far better single card for the same price as 2 of what you chose.
since you are just doing it to learn from then you should be using the cheapest crossfire cards you can find.
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YOU lot just dont understand and give up do you. You shouldnt of assumed that should you, therfor its your fault you assumed wrong not mine. And what is the point in getting 2 completly rubbish cards in crossfire, then i wouldnt even be able to usfully test them.
As for you calling me a "nancy boy" desolationw...........No i dont go around saying i want to kill millions of jews and saying my cpu will last 1000 years.......get it???
"1000 YEARS SEMPRON"
Cheers Will
Your name, I was wondering why you would rather go with the X1600's vs. a set of X850's. The 850's are cheaper and you will be able to get better performance, even over the 1650's. I am not trying to flame you, just pointing out that if Crossfire is your goal, the X850's seem like a better way to go, that is unless you already have one X1600.
I am only pointing this out because I made the same mistake, when my 9800 Pro burnt out, I asked one of the sales guys at the PC store what card would give me better performance, and he pointed me to the X1600, after getting it home and playing with it for about 2 weeks, I did some research online and on Tomshardware and found out that X800 series owns the X1600 in just about every benchmark.
I understand wanting to rig a Crossfire setup, I just wanted give you some info you may not have considered.
peace,
noobie, doobie, doo
| Quote : Your name, I was wondering why you would rather go with the X1600's vs. a set of X850's. The 850's are cheaper and you will be able to get better performance, even over the 1650's. I am not trying to flame you, just pointing out that if Crossfire is your goal, the X850's seem like a better way to go, that is unless you already have one X1600.
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I did think that, and currently i have a x800gto agp in my system at the moment, and it beats my friends x1600 agp card, but arnt the x850 cards ALOT dearer? And they dont support features like SM 3 do they? I did some reaserch on them and they are like an older generation arnt they?
Cheers Will
Yes you are correct, they are the older generation cards, but their performance still surpasses the X1600's, in many instances, blows it away. Now in the case of SM3 you are correct, the X800 series cards do not support it. So if that is a major factor in your decision then the X1600's are the way to go.
Personally, and again this is my opinion, the performance gain and cost savings with the X850's is worth sacrificing the SM 3 feature. Besides, DX10 cards will be coming out soon, (next year) so if you are planning on playing the next generation of pc games and taking advantage of whatever features that become available then, any present day savings can be applied to whatever set up you decide to go with then.
Fortunately, and unfortunately, hardware is ever evolving and getting bigger-faster-stronger. We are in a war of ever upgrading technologies, and we are losing the battle of trying to keep up. At least this is the case with most of us.
peace and good luck with whichever set up you decide to go with.
noobalicious
| Quote : My reason for doing crossfire with poorly perforing cards, in some people opionions, is because i want to have the experience of doing rossfire, after all, i cant help people with problems if i have never done it before can i. |
OK, you also want to experience crappy performance, and constant bitching and whining, and regret of this decision. OK, cool, you do that.
| Quote : My reason for doing crossfire with poorly perforing cards, in some people opionions, is because i want to have the experience of doing rossfire, after all, i cant help people with problems if i have never done it before can i. |
OK, you also want to experience crappy performance, and constant bitching and whining, and regret of this decision. OK, cool, you do that.
Shut up u gimp no1 asked for your opinion so why did you bother reading all this and posting FUCK of u retard, go take sum prozac or sumit, sounds lik u need it
| Quote : My reason for doing crossfire with poorly perforing cards, in some people opionions, is because i want to have the experience of doing rossfire, after all, i cant help people with problems if i have never done it before can i. |
OK, you also want to experience crappy performance, and constant bitching and whining, and regret of this decision. OK, cool, you do that.
Shut up u gimp no1 asked for your opinion so why did you bother reading all this and posting **** of u retard, go take sum prozac or sumit, sounds lik u need it
You shut up, n00b. Prozac is completely right; Crossfire with low/mid-range cards is a waste of money. However, in the end, it's your money, and in that case, 2*X1650 is faster. Enjoy the buyer's remorse
| Quote : My reason for doing crossfire with poorly perforing cards, in some people opionions, is because i want to have the experience of doing rossfire, after all, i cant help people with problems if i have never done it before can i. |
OK, you also want to experience crappy performance, and constant bitching and whining, and regret of this decision. OK, cool, you do that.
Shut up u gimp no1 asked for your opinion so why did you bother reading all this and posting **** of u retard, go take sum prozac or sumit, sounds lik u need it
You shut up, n00b. Prozac is completely right; Crossfire with low/mid-range cards is a waste of money. However, in the end, it's your money, and in that case, 2*X1650 is faster. Enjoy the buyer's remorse
NO U SHUT UP!!! WHHHHHYYYY dont you get it! its no about being right or wrong there isnt a right or wrong in this thread, or there shudnt be except you stupid nerds wiv outragous post counts have to turn it into a debate when all i asked was a SIMPLE question!.
ok despite in your case you need a frontal labotomy to increase your intelligence, i say you go with the latter of the 2 choices. still if you like mucking around with tech and in game and driver settings then go for it. ATI's latest drivers make it easy to get the best performance out of games so you can see how much you can push them.
still it should provide some valuable experience on multi gpu experience just don't expect miracles. judging by your posts i don't expect you too. still we had another post about the physx cards where the guy wanted to know which brand was best and he got similar responses. he too did not want anyones opinion on whether to get it or not regardless of if the advice was right or not. he just wanted to get it.
IMO go for it and if you want any of my limited knowledge feel free to ask.
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English?
do you mean my misspelling of intelligence or do you not know what a frontal labotmony is?
hell neither do i, its a saying. Although it is to do with removing the frontal lobes(sp) if i'm not mistaken and usually turns people to vegetables and completelly strips them of what personailty they had.
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