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October 8, 2006 5:44:43 PM

OK, dont know if this will work:

Heres a thread to list stuff you have bought, only to find its performance is severly lacklustre, help others avoid this crap:

I will start - Logic 3 soundstation 5.1 (and Logic 3 speakers in general)

AWEFUL SOUND QUALITY, retro (horrid) looks, dont even think about buying this unless you get it in Poundland

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October 8, 2006 7:10:51 PM

6800XT.

FX5200. (EDIT: Make that "FX Series")

~Ibrahim~
October 8, 2006 7:12:29 PM

SLI, just get one card....do you REALLY need those 200 fps, I doubt you can tell the difference between 90 fps and 200, because I cant.. Unless you do some CRAZY stuff, it's not worth it.
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October 8, 2006 7:48:40 PM

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6800XT.

FX5200.

~Ibrahim~


You really should add most of the FX range. First GPU i ever bought was FX5600 "Hey it's a higher model number than a GeForce 4Ti800 so must be better!" Oh how wrong i was....
October 8, 2006 8:38:40 PM

Haha, I knew there was going to be a line for that one!

Add to the list:

Case Power Supplies
Dell

~Ibrahim~
October 8, 2006 9:02:28 PM

You may not be able to tell the difference between 90fps and 200fps,but it sure is nice knowing your machine can run that many fps.also sli does help improve 3dmark scores.I'm not complaing I can assure you.Goodluck.

Dahak

AMD X2-4400+@2.4 S-939
EVGA NF4 SLI MB
2X7800GT IN SLI
2X1GIG DDR IN DC MODE
WD300GIG HD
EXTREME 19IN.MONITOR 1280X1024
ACE 520WATT PSU
October 8, 2006 9:06:03 PM

How does it feel to wake up to two 7800GTs in the morning? Must feel a hell lot better than waking up to a dying Ti 4600!

~Ibrahim~
October 8, 2006 9:49:36 PM

BFG GeForce fx5200- fan broke, barely ran games
Thermaltake Bigwater -Fried my asus 9800xt after two weeks or use.
White cold cathodes- Take forever to warm up and one of them is brighter than the other.
Cheap PSU- my friends pc shot sparks, it was sick!
Cheap cases- my friends cheap case is covered in dents from just bumbing into it while walking through his door.
October 8, 2006 9:55:00 PM

HP budget pc's
IBM Harddrives
Ultra brand DDR memory.
MSC routers

These are the products that I can remember off the top of my head, the only one I personally have experience with is the IBM hard drives, had 6 fail on me, and the ones currently in my rig work on the basis that if I dont look at them, they're fine. Also the rear connections are increadibly flimsy

HPs' lower end pcs' should be avoided like the plauge, friends of ours have non stop problems with theirs. I'm not sure if the same applies to their "higher-end" stuff.

Ultra ddr memory is definetly not good, another friend would insist on buying the cheapest ram, againts my recomendations, he went through 4 pairs of memory (he bought dual channel kits) before finnally replacing those with a good pair of corsair memory.

I was once unfortunate enough to buy an msc router, broke after 1 week, had it replaced, the replacement broke after 2 weeks, replaced again and it worked for a good few months, then it started acting weird and wouldnt always allow me to configure it and wouldn't allow me to connect more that 3 computers to it, didnt matter wich ports I tried, just wouldnt allow it. Fortunately it died a few months ago and I was able to replace it with a decent Dlink that I got a great deal on.


Well those are the only things that I can think of off the top of my head.\

HTH
October 9, 2006 6:43:41 AM

oh and all thompson/alcatel speedtouch routers suck bigtime, bad software, bad hardware, they make crap cell phones as well!
October 9, 2006 6:51:36 AM

Well, not that anyone would buy one by choice, but I'd say that those exploding Sony batteries would probably be a piece of hardware best avoided!!!
October 9, 2006 7:45:03 AM

I know this does not need mentioning but someone has to do it. VIA 8O there, I said it.
October 9, 2006 7:46:22 AM

dude!
I used the 6800XT for my first build almost a year ago.
Which has the following.

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 2.2GHz (@2.5) 1MB L2
Patriot Signature Series 2.5GB (2 x 1GB + 1 x 512MB) DDR 400
MSI K8N Neo4-F Socket 939
Western Digital Raptor WD740ADFD 74GB
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB
Geforce 6800XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Ex (@450MHz / 1.15Ghz)
SAMSUNG 16X DVD-R Drive
ViewSonic VX922

I use this Only for BF2 at 1280x1024 on all high settings (maxed)
The card runs this game (never drops below 50fps) with ease 8) . Never goes above 50c!
I have artic cooler , BTW.
I did play other games like CS:S on high settings, Quake4 on Ultra settings
and FEAR on high settings. I Did noticed some slow-down with FEAR, but it was playable :| .
Im very happy with this GPU.
I will upgrade in a few months to DX10 GPU, Quad Core :tongue: CPU (Intel or AMD * dont matter :p  *)
October 9, 2006 7:55:00 AM

Steer clear away from HP Pavilion laptops - USB ports not following specs, fried DVD burner and real dustbusters (P4 based).

On the other hand, I'm most impressed with a very old piece of hardware:
Asus V3400TNT-TV 16 M (a Nvidia RivaTNT 1 rev 4 -based video card), which still actually works, served me well until the DX8 era (it could run GTA3, can you believe that!), and can actually run a 3d desktop - for those not afraid to wait...
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 9, 2006 8:10:38 AM

Every single product made by pinnacle. Especially the media center.

Worst product I ever had. Anyone argue about that?
October 9, 2006 8:14:41 AM

nec monitors... well at least my FE991SB horrid piece of 19" CRT CRAP.


first off text was always blurry at 85 refresh rate had to set it to 75 or not be able to read text.

2nd after 2yrs DEAD....yes dead.... sitting in the garage as 65~lbs of rubbish... too lazy to goto the recycling place with it.



ummm... kinda moot at this point but 75GXP drives (IBM DEATHSTARS) I got burned by them... as did 4 of my good friends.... terrible hd's


in general as a lot of computer stuff has dropped to commodity pricing (Home netowrking class ROUTERS...i'm looking your direction) they have become very low quality.... and sadly now many of them don't seem to work right at all.

also DVDRW drives... it is great that we can get them for ~$40 off of newegg now...but many of them (Liteon) have just the most flimsy bs excuse for trays / eject motors..

I just replaced a dead tray mechanism Liteon DVDRW w/ a NEC 3550A (crappy CRTs decent optical drives :D  ) it is much sturdy in the tray area.

I had problems w/ kingston hyperX ram... but i'm not sure if it was abits or kingstons fault.... generic ram should be avoided... as flakey ram does not a happy computer exerience make.


I got a bad stick of mushkin DDR in my dual channel kit.... mushkin was most helpful on the phone and got me replacement ram very quickly... sadly the replacement ram had purple heatspreaders rather than black like the defective kit had.

but oh well....


heatsinks with poor instructions and or convoluted mounting procedures can f_ck right off.

cases with windows.....

THEY SEEM LIKE SUCH A GOOD IDEA.... then you realize howmuch dust the get on them...finger prints... plus everyone can see how messy your case wiring job actually is.... bah


spending too much time zip tying every wire in the case just so....... cause you realize the next thing that will happen is you'll get something new or a case fan will die... and you'll have to spend a bunch of time trying to get the wires undone.

case without window...reasonable attempts to keep airflow good then F_ck it...that is the way to go.
October 9, 2006 4:16:07 PM

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also DVDRW drives... it is great that we can get them for ~$40 off of newegg now...but many of them (Liteon) have just the most flimsy bs excuse for trays / eject motors..

I just replaced a dead tray mechanism Liteon DVDRW w/ a NEC 3550A (crappy CRTs decent optical drives :D  ) it is much sturdy in the tray area.


I am so with you on that as well! My Liteon Dvd player worked for approximately 2 weeks before the whole thing just made whirring sounds when you put a disc in
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
October 9, 2006 4:27:28 PM

I also agree to the cheapo DVD problem.

Got a liteon (actually two with the same problem) which actually never really could write DVDs. Sometimes it reads them at least.
October 9, 2006 4:30:27 PM

Samsung makes greats DVD+/-RW burners....

NEC new monitors kick a$$, though..

~Ibrahim~

P.S. Rumours of NEC launching a gaming monitor
October 9, 2006 4:42:46 PM

Dell manufacturing overall: Cooling is completely awful. Did you know that in the Dimension line from Dell, there is only 1 fan in the entire case? And thats the 86mm outtake fan for the CPU. Theres not even one behind the harddrive.

Someone said ultra ram, and i will agree its terrible.

No one mentioned those Dell laptop batteries. :lol: 

Saitek Keyboards: Paint rubs off the keys very easily, and a friend of mine bought one, and the spacebar fell off right out of the box. And he bought it in store too.

Dell cheapo All-in-one printers: No wonder why they give them out for free.

And yes, the dreadful 6800xt.
October 9, 2006 4:59:31 PM

HP midrange...not too bad-no overclocking tho :(  any and all creative sound cards...tho I own one I know (unfortunately )its the ONLY way to go...
October 9, 2006 5:09:05 PM

Quote:

sli does help improve 3dmark scores


Who cares?
October 9, 2006 5:23:34 PM

Floppy drives. I bought two of them, and both were broke. I thought my MB had problems....nope just crappy floppy drives.
a b B Homebuilt system
October 9, 2006 5:48:28 PM

Belkin VGA cables(ghosting like old antena TV)
Linksys WRT54G (lockes up when streaming DVD's or any large files)
Kodak Digicams (total crap compaired to HP)
Ipod (itunes sucks :(  )
Sony LCD's (the worst color/response ever, but the case sure looked nice)
Anything from Ultra
Celerons/P4's (netburst only)
Cisero computers (futureshop....need i say more)
Intel GMA (Makes ET suck)
Mac Pro (Hard drives look alittle close together for good cooling....well everything does)
the list goes on.....
Ohhhh right Geforce FX's

People to avoid
Fanboys!!!!!!(all kinds)
Futureshop reps
October 9, 2006 6:11:44 PM

Saitek keyboards, returned it twice to replace all the letters and spacebar locking up.

x600 vid card, Horrible performance for the money. x300 was weak, but you knew it. Naming a card the 600 made you think you were getting twice the performance of the 300, but it was about 15% better.

WD 250 Sata 2, 16mb cache, had to RMA brand new one after 2 days, and had to RMA the returned unit which was DOA! Third one is going ok, but not using it as a primary drive. I had GREAT service from their 80 gig Sata units, 3 yrs on 2 units.
October 9, 2006 6:23:39 PM

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I know this does not need mentioning but someone has to do it. VIA 8O there, I said it.


VIA is horrid...

Soyo brand motherboards = headache
Jetway = terrible

Dell's aren't a problem as long as you know what you're doing... Dell batteries? Well maybe if they were in fact Dell's batteries, they are Sony's.

I've never had a problem with LiteOn, in fact I prefer them.

cheapo headsets, usb 5.1 headsets (hassle)
a b B Homebuilt system
October 9, 2006 6:38:08 PM

ohhh yeah Saitek wireless controlers too....while they got awards up the ying yang....i find the batteries die too fast...the connections gets lost now and then....and well...back to wired for that....
October 9, 2006 6:47:36 PM

Prescott series CPU, can we say fire?

FX series nVidia cards, just all around weak.

PSU's that come with cases, turned off the computer, installed a 6600gt, turned on the computer and BOOM, no more 450w PSU. thank god it only commited suicide and not homicide.

Cheap cases for that matter.
October 9, 2006 6:51:44 PM

Hey, I love my FX5200, kept my work bench level for what, 2 years now? :lol: 

Panasonic Tuff books. No support, propritary parts.
Got Mtech's, love them for field work.

DC
October 9, 2006 6:53:49 PM

PSU's that come with cases, turned off the computer, installed a 6600gt, turned on the computer and BOOM, no more 450w PSU. thank god it only commited suicide and not homicide LOL
a b B Homebuilt system
October 9, 2006 7:02:59 PM

Quote:
Prescott series CPU, can we say fire?

FX series nVidia cards, just all around weak.

PSU's that come with cases, turned off the computer, installed a 6600gt, turned on the computer and BOOM, no more 450w PSU. thank god it only commited suicide and not homicide.

Cheap cases for that matter.


What case?
Sonata is good :) 
but if it like those "turbo gamer/aspire/ultra" and others...you know the 500 watt PSU that has as much heatsink as a 250....yeah...those suck.....
October 9, 2006 7:03:01 PM

lol. :D 


Avoid EVGA Video Cards. their customer service yelled at me, the fan is crapping out on me, it tells me its not getting enough power when it doesn't have a supplemental power connector, and EVGA refuses to refund my money for a faulty product.
a b B Homebuilt system
October 9, 2006 7:15:18 PM

1. Belkin routers. Any I've bought or exchanged (2-3) died after working for 1-4 weeks.

2. The Abit KN8 Ultra mobos I am using. Oh, they work well enough, and have given no grief, but my research failed to note that they require a -5V rail. This is so rare these days, that it really limits my PSU choice.

3. Cheap Lexmark printers, unless you like paying an arm and a leg for ink.

4. As was mentioned, VIA chipsets; I'll add SiS to that. Their dismal performance back in the days of the K6/K6-2 chips has turned me off to them.
October 9, 2006 7:17:49 PM

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Dell manufacturing overall: Cooling is completely awful. Did you know that in the Dimension line from Dell, there is only 1 fan in the entire case? And thats the 86mm outtake fan for the CPU. Theres not even one behind the harddrive.

*snip*

Saitek Keyboards: Paint rubs off the keys very easily, and a friend of mine bought one, and the spacebar fell off right out of the box. And he bought it in store too.


Dell uses 1 fan in it's Dimension line because they use a BTX case (instead of ATX) and use the pSU to help draw air from the front out of the rear of the case. It's called intelligent design. The case is one of the things I like about the Dell (5150 - E510 to the US folks) I'm upgrading/building out of - but since even Intel isn't going forward with BTX, that case style is pretty much done for. Roll on reverse-ATX, the next best solution...

The 1st generation Saitek illuminated keyboards unfortunatley did have wear-away lettering on the keycaps, but the Saitek Eclipse (all models) use laser etched caps that you'd be hard-pressed to wear out.
October 9, 2006 7:37:59 PM

FX Series nvidia cards
Shitty 40-60$ cases and psu from newegg

The bottom of the barrel 6 and 7 series kind of suck.
October 9, 2006 8:21:27 PM

Quote:
I know this does not need mentioning but someone has to do it. VIA 8O there, I said it.


VIA is horrid...

Soyo brand motherboards = headache
Jetway = terrible

Dell's aren't a problem as long as you know what you're doing... Dell batteries? Well maybe if they were in fact Dell's batteries, they are Sony's.

I've never had a problem with LiteOn, in fact I prefer them.

cheapo headsets, usb 5.1 headsets (hassle)



pooor via......


I feel i should say that I have a VIA KT266A (Shuttle AK31A v3.1) running 24x7 as my domain controller... that computer has been zero problems since day one.... it is like 5yrs old now.)

my brother has a KT266A (MSI ..don't remember the model) computer that he is still using as his main pc...it is slightly older than my DC

my really good friend is using a KT266A (Shuttle AK31A V3.1) as his main PC at home still.
October 9, 2006 8:41:08 PM

Epson printers – had a belt fall off, turns out so did many others with a few Epson models.

Linksys wireless routers – nothing but trouble for me.
October 9, 2006 8:44:23 PM

I've never had any problems with Via - I've been running a KT600 for ages with no issues, even my old Apollo 133 is still going strong.
October 9, 2006 9:09:52 PM

£100 fx5200 last year. 64 bit = crap.
October 9, 2006 9:34:59 PM

Been using VIA and Linksys at the same time for years...

I think now we are getting into stuff we've had problems with other than just bad hardware.

The Abit thing, now that is hardware to avoid. The FX series, etc.

~Ibrahim~
October 9, 2006 9:57:09 PM

You must add - Sony Optical Drives, both me and my mate have had a couple of lasers go!

I second the TT watercooling!

Acer 22" WS Budget LCD - discovered too late that it doesnt come with DVI, but perhaps you can class that as my fault!
a b B Homebuilt system
October 9, 2006 10:31:18 PM

Clarification on the VIA and SiS...

I don't know that I ever had failures with either one, but their performance was always well below what I had expected. I remember seeing in later reviews for some things (that weren't out when I bought), that their performance was well below average; in any case VIA and SiS remain on my pooh list.

Abit is remaining on my "ok to buy" list, because my own research shortcoming caused that issue. Like I said, the boards have performed well and without issues. It is also true that although I saw that there were options to do so, I am not currently OC'ing anything. If I bought one for a new system, it would have to not need that -5V rail.

It is unlikely I'll build a new rig any time soon, but if I were going to do so I'd probably use ASUS or Gigabyte and a C2D.
October 9, 2006 11:28:32 PM

Also SOYO motherboards are the worst boards ive ever touched there pure crap.

And i will never buy another board with a SIS or VIA chipset they suck also imho.
October 10, 2006 2:16:46 AM

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PSU's that come with cases, turned off the computer, installed a 6600gt, turned on the computer and BOOM, no more 450w PSU. thank god it only commited suicide and not homicide LOL



LOL
October 10, 2006 6:02:32 AM

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Clarification on the VIA and SiS...
I had an Abit mobo that worked like a charm. It was the AN7 (had basically everything, UGURU - OC on the fly, NForce 2chipset,etc). It died because of me (swapped some cables around with the front USB in my new case).

Got a cheap asus board with a via chipset just to let my system run again (had lotsa projects and couldn't wait for other stock to arrive). The first one died after a month. The second one had SATA support for the first month and USB for the first 3. Got another that actually went down the drain just last night claiming my Video card. At least I'm upgrading in December - I hope.

Except that I had all those things fail on me, my rig just doesn't run the same as in the days that I had an Abit.
October 10, 2006 6:36:40 AM

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Prescott series CPU, can we say fire?

FX series nVidia cards, just all around weak.

PSU's that come with cases, turned off the computer, installed a 6600gt, turned on the computer and BOOM, no more 450w PSU. thank god it only commited suicide and not homicide.

Cheap cases for that matter.



this gave me a good chuckle. lol
October 10, 2006 6:45:20 AM

PNY GeForce Ti 4400 - Died after 5 month. PNY requires copy of orginal reciept before providing tech support. That's even after registering the GPU. I avoid PNY products like the plague.

Maxtor Hard Drives - Nothing but problems. 3 drives failed. Lost lots of data. On permanent banned list, just like PNY products.
October 10, 2006 6:49:11 AM

Well I had mine in my current pc die on me but that is probally also because I haven't used it in like 7 years and my smoking might have something to do with it.
October 10, 2006 6:54:38 AM

Ive had problems with maxtors also.
I use western digitals and seagates only now i mean wtf you cant beat 5 yr warrenty on seagates!
October 10, 2006 6:59:54 AM

I keep hearing people having problems with Maxtor drives. I've always used maxtor and only 1 failed on me, and that was only because it was really old and it was bound to happen.

Otherwise I've been happy with maxtor drives and have never had another problem with them, and I have many maxtor drives.

I personally dont like IBM drives because they I've had problems with them and the rear connections are flimsy.
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