"Sicko" (Michael Moore's new film)

I got my hands on the film and selected one of the better scenes and uploaded them to YouTube. I thought it was an excellent film. It was scarce on details, but it accurately displays how fcuked up our healthcare system is compared to countries like UK, France, Canada, and even Cuba.

(3 parts, watch in order)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbxz7gn3qjs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IkQkNNI_t4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOWrB_y3QxU

I hate m.m. but yes our med sys. here in the US is fukced.

Along with a lot of other shistuff.

That obese fock. Constantly in a baseball cap, unshaven and disheveled. Honestly, whilst his progressive approach to issues may seem commendable, if one takes the time to analyse his subjective journalistic approach to film making, one notes a consistent overtone of bias and sensationalism.

On a side note, Australia's health care systems -- public and private -- are in dire straights. More roads, more stadiums and other wasteful infrastructure projects and yet the federal and state focking governments can't get their shite together long enough to fix a horrendously mismanaged nation-wide hospital system.

We're also a focking stone's throw from the Yanks when it comes to the obesity epidemic. The shite's not going to get better, I tell you. Fat focks everywhere. Shite, I could afford to lose 30 pounds but can't be focked at the moment.

Fock Michael Moore off. Honestly, he's no better than the cheque-book jackasses over at 60 minutes -- it's just that he presents for the left.

Can't stand the fat fock.

word.

Are you saying Mike Moore needs to harden the fock up?

Focking oath! mate.

They should do a reality series where "Michael Moore Goes to Fat Camp", or "Michael Moore serves in Southern Baghdad".

No fancy focking hotels and no focking cheeseburgers for the condescending prick either.

Yeah.

Don't worry. Ole' Skinny can really get a rattle on if he needs to. He wouldn't leave without a case of Coors though.

A man always needs to refuel.

None taken......

Drop it on Flint, MI..... That would be the place..... Be cool though, I'm 45 miles from there.....

If he thinks the UK's health system is something to marvel at, he should come over here and try it. Last year I paid over £20k in income tax and National Insurance (on top of what my employer shells out), not to mention the thousands more on VAT and alcohol duty, yet I STILL have to pay £800 a year for private medical insurance because diagnosis takes forever on the NHS. Oh, and when I live din Cambrige I spent over 2 years without a GP (doctor for non-Brits) because all my local clinics were 'full' for NHS patients. Madness.

RE: Moore himself, I'm with Bomber on this one. Whilst it's good that there are some left-leaning jounalists to balance out the morons on Fox News, I'd be a lot happier if Moore could present his agenda in a less moronic manner. His sensationalist, critically biased, poorly-researched claptrap is getting a bit stale. If you want liberal journalism, go with the Independent, the Guardian or the good ol' BBC.

Getting to see a dentist is no joke either. I'm contemplating beating mine senseless on general principle, robbing bastard he is.

What, no one wants to talk to him?

And there you have it, news should be a factual report of actual events and happenings, not some twat's opinion.

I do need to point out that Fox News is the only News station in America that isn't leaning left or far left. Fox News balances out the others..\

It is FAR FAR to the right!!!! It does not balance when it lies about stuff man! All the stations are getting sensational rather than factual. The more you start getting stories from "the other side of the fence" you realize why the grass is so gree where we are.

It's from all the shizznit the networks have been spreading to get it to grow better.

Because they do not do it in a "fair and balance manner". They do it degradingly and insultingly. Look at Hannity and Colmes? You think they could get more of an unlikable loser to express the "left"s position? The guy is a dweeb!

And do not even start with O'Reiley. The man is all in it for himself and only a half step better than what's-her-face nazi-blonde.

No it doesn't. It says that they are so skewed that even center looks left to them.


We have to start realizing that "liberal" has only been turned into an insult by those who want their way to be done. Liberal only means more willing to accept anothers viewpoint. Open to ideas, which many on the right say that they are.

We have to seperate liberal and conservative from right and left. Most Conservative Republicans do not like the new NeoCon format (same taxes, more spending, MORE regulation). the NeoCons are, ironically, liberal in that they want to change things. Change is not conservative, change is, well, CHANGE. Conservation means to keep things the way they are, or were.

These guys are not interested in it.

Anyway, I could go on and on with this. I really hate it when people bring guys up like O'reilley as if they were reliable sources of information. Especially when just by quoting him, it sets up a blanket refutation by saying "Oh, he is fine, all the others are all "liberals" anyway".

PS, Tucker Carlson is a dikk.

Because that is what news is, you simpleton.

So what you are saying is:

"No news is good news"?

And there you have it, news should be a factual report of actual events and happenings, not some twat's opinion.

Not sure if you've ever watched him or not.. but his is more of talk show. He'll go through and explain a situation and point out things.

You would appreciate his efforts on child molesting. He brings out States that have rejected any form of Jessica's Laws. Then, he'll go out and bring up cases in those States where judges let the peados off with a light sentence.
He states his opinion on what should happen. I really liked his idea on Immigration. The problem is all the excess stuff that gets thrown in there.

He brings up fact often and proves a lot of people fools on their own subjects. He's cut and dry and doesn't add all the extra BS in there.

His views more resemble the views I have as well.

He brings up facts, then he'll give his opinions facts. That's what his show is about.

I stopped. Between the news and the frigging "dateline" kind of sensational 'news' I have stopped watching the networks.

I don't doubt it, nor do I approve it. But it is what the people want. They do not want news, they want someone they agree with telling them what they want to hear.

Not really. It is just making money. Most do not have any agenda. Most just have mortgages.

I went from the CBS morning news to CNN, and then THAT started getting too "human interest" and other BS, so I just watched local traffic and weather and I surf for the news.

It is really sad.

Sometimes I watch the Sunday Morning arguments (McNeil Lehrer(sp), and some others), and they have good points, but the participants are obviously biased in their own ways.

I would like to follow NPR a bit for news, but as good as that is, they kind of leave out anything remotely local, so I miss that little bit of personalization you need local news for.

But, quite honestly, I would rather hear what is happening in the Sudan rather than Mrs. Flea-bottom got her precious little meow-meow out of a tree (after she threw it up there so that she could get the firemen to come to her house again...)

I think one of the candidates just came out and said that everyone is saying the same thing, different ways, but only saying what people want to hear.

I understand this. But when one registers as Democrat or Republican, that shows how you will tend to side in matters, regardless of what is said.

From what I see, all the Democrats are b[i][/i]itching about each other and all this and that. I fully expect that out of them if they should win the Presidency. Just as Fucktard Reid and Pelosi are doing right now. Whining that can't have their way because the idea they have doesn't fly with the majority. They don't understand this.

I don't really see any Republican candidates whining about not getting something, nor do I see them putting down each other. Right now, I don't see them doing much except sitting back watching, as we all are, the self destruction of the Democratic party.

The Republican party's agenda more fits my needs. I want to see people working. I want to see people getting richer. I want to see the rich make more money because they have money. This is what I want.

I don't want to see people work less and get rewarded for it. I don't want the US to pull out of Iraq yet. I don't want universal health care given to everyone in the way they're pushing it (I would much prefer everyone puts in money, regardless of how much you make to pay the health care system). I know people who don't work full time because the gov't gives them more more and health benefits than if they really did try to work. This needs resolved.

The fact is that as long as there is this much dispute between the Dems and Repubs, not a single major issue will be resolved.

I was all for Bush's Social Security plan.. I thought that was awesome but because the general population overall has the intelligence of a freshman in high school, they didn't understand how much of a benefit that would have been. That would have solved the problem. But Democrats didn't want it to be a Republican win.

As it stands right now, I see the Democrats just trying to win and get anyone in the office instead of winning because they were the candidate that would better this country.

Guiliani all the way.

Uk health system is gay shhit. Hospitals are seeping with MRSA, none of the cleaning staff know how to clean. Patients (especially the elderly) get malnorourished IN hospital cause most of the time the meals are fuukin sandwhichs and the useless tossers hand out food to vunerable people not able to feed themselves

UK junior doctors are also being advised to work oversea as we've fukked up royally by stealing staff from any other country we can find (with the side effect that many nurses can't speak proper english - kind of important when dealing with drugs etc)

N.I.C.E (the agency that controls which drugs can be issued to patients) has made 2 stella rulings recently too:

1) A breakthrough drug to treat age related macula degeneration - a leading cause of blindness ('scuse me if my spelling sucks) has been denied to patients UNTIL THEY GO BLIND IN ONE EYE - (genius).

2) An alzheimer's drug has been denied to suffers who are in the early stages of the disease, only when you're a useless dribbling piss stained mess will they start treatment to slow the progress of the disease.

Private healthcare wont cover you for emergancy treatment (you get run over, heart attack, stroke yadayada) so you're still fukked even with that.

M.M is a useless, ill informed fat blob of shhit. I would pay good money to beat him to death with some kind of humorous vegetable.

Which he himself writes up. To give him additional credit he has his Master's degree in something related.. politics or something. Anyhow, listening to him beats listening to other people who have no formal educational background in said topics, only in "Journalism."

He's an educated political person whereas these other people aren't.

Go read his talking points on www.foxnews.com today. Tell me that biased or right leaning. Its not. Its flat out facts and he even gives a previous example to prove his points are indeed facts.

I don't see other stations doing this. I watch CNN and FoxNews time to time. I don't care for Wolf Blizter.. Anderson Cooper is 50/50. I don't care for the other talking shows on Fox News.. just don't care for their topics of choice that much.

But he does bring up a point when he mentions other network devoting a lot of time covering the war.. Content without Context.

Want a perfect example of what's being done? The opening minute of The Da Vinci Code where they demonstrate "content" without "context." Regardless if its a movie, you watching that point proves something that is fact. (interesting as well)

Don't you have someone to go shoot in your city? A car to steal? Maybe go find a job somewhere? Go throw rocks at Canada. That's always fun, right?

The UK's universal healthcare system may have flaws, but some healthcare is better than no healthcare, which is what 50 million americans don't have. Are most of them lower class? You bet. Should we feel sorry for them... not necessarily. But I believe everyone in the US has a right to free healthcare.

The healthcare system i'd like to see is one that gives everyone care, even if it's substandard. If you've got money or you're wealthy, then you can buy private healthcare with better access to doctors and specialists.

This solution gives everyone healthcare AND keeps the insurance companies in business.

One thing is for sure: we cannot continue to let the healthcare industry run our government. As Moore points out, they are making record profits while reducing benefits and increasing premiums. I'm all for capitalism, but this is getting out of hand. And some point we have to stand up and say STOP because eventually only the very rich will have healthcare. (this is a larger part of the eroding middle class)

I'd rather have a health care system with less twats advising how to save money (all of which are on £50k +) more nurses and people who know how to clean.

Free health care (free at the point of delivery) isn't free if the pct (health trust that manages care in an area) decides that the illness you have and the best tretment for isn't covered by them in their budget and you then need to go and pay for your own treatment anyway.

But I agree, shiit public healthcare is beter than none at all and health care shouldn't be run on a profit (but it should be run on a business model)...

And M.M is still an annoying cnut who does nothing positive for the reputation of American journalism.

Universal health care for everyone will be great. I'm all for it honestly. Especially after our healthcare system can start handling what it has right now.

The fact is this: Right now our health care system can not properly handle the current requirements. Giving everyone universal health care on a system that can not handle it make it crumble.

First, we need to cap lawsuits drastically. Actually, they should all but elminate the right to sue a hospital except in hand-reviewed cases. If someone has a sponge left in them, ok, they're entitled to something, not millions. If someone dies going under and operation that had some risk and they signed off on it, they should not be allowed to sue.
Main concern being the poor people will try to abuse the system as often as possible. I understand it all happens with other classes but we're adding in 50 million people.

Next, we need to have the proper base. Currently, there is a shortage of Nurses across the country. Adding 50 million new covered people will put further strain on the industry.

Let's put it this way. Health care needs a strongarm overhaul way because we even start to look at giving everyone universal healthcare. Fix the healthcare system, make it work properly, then give it to everyone.

Apha testing, Beta testing, Full release. Makes sense to me.

Guys, I think you need to actually look up the facts on this. I do not believe that lawsuits are primarily responsible for hospital costs, but ther are HEAVILY publicised as being the reason.

I will have to look around, but I believe one state dramatically capped the liability lawsuits on the medical profession but the insurance rates in the area did not drop. they went up.

All lawsuit capping does is make it so that the guys that have the cash are more secure in keeping it.


I do not like frivolous lawsuits, and i was under the same impression in til I did some reading and found out that it is mostly just hearsay and fingerpointing by the Insurance Agencies to try to squeeze more money out of us.

I blame lawsuits for turning our playgrounds into 3' high boring little preschool playpens and all of our other forms of entertainment that may pose "risk" into expensive excursions due to liability insurance. (Again, the insurance companies arent crying one bit about that either!)

I hate the insurance industry.