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October 10, 2006 9:58:27 PM

Newb member here, need advice from you gurus

Would this be a decent set-up for gaming/3d work? (I use Zbrush, etc). I'm on a keep-my-life-from-the-wife budget. It seems pretty good to me for the money. The shop owner said he is giving me this deal because of these are items on hand, etc

FoxConn 808 Series Swing Case
Asus A8N32-SLI Motherboard
AMD 4400+ X2 Dual Core CPU
eVGA6800GS*2 in SLI Configuration (also said he could do dual 7600s instead)
2 gig of Mushkin DDR400
250GB Western Digital SATA-II HDD
LiteOn DVDRW 16X DL
500W PSU (Ultra 500 or a Bay 500w- my choice)
Microsoft Windows MediaCenter 2005
Full AntiVirus/AntiSpyware Kit
Cost 989.00 plus tax

Thank you in advance!

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October 10, 2006 10:35:57 PM

I'll plug.

That article is dated 11-29-2005. The graphics card scene has changed drastically since then. Tell the shopkeeper to keep the 6800GSs and pick up the 256MB X1900XT online.

You could build a decent Intel Core 2 Duo system online yourself that scales better for about the same price but if you don't want to go through the hassle, it's a decent system.
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October 10, 2006 10:57:36 PM

Thanks for the reply!

If anyone can suggest a comparible system pricewise that's superior, please post!

I'm computer saavy, but in no way a functional tech.

(I understand the basics, OS, drivers, troubleshooting, etc)

Building one is plausible, however without tech knowledge and experience it's a definate risk.

My reqs are at least 2 gig of Ram from a respectable manufacturer, a good mid range card (or sli) that can support two monitors, dual core processing, a 200+ gig hard drive ...no perpherials are ness.

I'm coming from an AMD 3000+, and a crappy 128 meg ATI card, 100 gig hd and one gig of ddr ram

thanks again
October 11, 2006 4:59:57 PM

Is your existing system an an OEM (HP, Dell, etc..)? If not, you might be better off just upgrading your current setup and saving some money.

If it is an OEM, list the model number or the full system specs. It's possible you can still upgrade it.

As for building your own, go browse the General Homebuilt forums for suggestions and ideas. Then come back here and post your picks and we'll help you from there (or you can post there too).
October 11, 2006 5:13:59 PM

Well, let's see.

** (computer was purchased 2 years ago July) ***

AMD Athlon 64 3000+
ASUS K8V Motherboard
Kingston 512 mb PC3200 x 2
Maxtor 100 gig HD 6Y120L0
Radeon 9200 series 128
DVD-RW drive
DVD-ROM drive

I had a shop build me this computer. At that time I knew alot less than I do now (which is not alot) about hardware.
October 11, 2006 5:31:03 PM

An easier and more informative option would be to download and install CPU-Z. You can get it here. It's very easy to use and it will help identify the main components (except video cards) of your system.

Download and install it and get back to us.
October 11, 2006 5:40:49 PM

Skip the 6800 SLI. Go for either a 7900 GT or a X1900 XT. Much better performance in a single card.

Since it seems you're buying a prebuilt machine, you might check out Cyberpower. They give very good prices and lots of hardware options, and a decent guarentee.
October 11, 2006 5:44:25 PM

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I think it's a pretty good deal.

Dual 6800GS setup no one will ever recommend. SLIing two mid-range cards is a total waste.

However, for about $900, it's a good deal.


I'm surprised you didn't b!tch about the Ultra-brand PSU. That would be a deal-breaker for me. Dual 6800GS isn't top-of-the line, but it will provide decent performance. Nonetheless, I'd change the video card to the 256MB X1900XT (as others have suggested).
October 11, 2006 6:01:16 PM

I will dl that program, thanks.

He'll make me anything I want at good prices. I want to use a local shop because the idea of shipping parts back and forth angers me. Bad experience with Dell. Plus, all but a few online vendors have horrific reseller reviews. Cyberpower has a great deal of negative ones. I realize only the pissed off folks proably fill those out...but, it's frightening still.

I upgrade the graphic card and PSU, I might as well do a different set-up all together right?

Conroe chip, DDR2 memory, etc. Since it's now well known they spank AMD. One thing I'd like to say is i'm not fanatical about graphics...I just don't waht the freezing I get when playing City of Villains that I get now.

I also need a set-up that provides dual disiplay capability for modeling in Zbrush and I'll bey buying a stylus for mesh rigging, etc.

My budget is 1k-1.2k (not including monitor, stylus)
October 11, 2006 6:29:02 PM

Well I guess it's up to me to be the lone wolf here. I say that dispite what these other people wil say here, you CAN PLAY ANY GAME out right now with two 6800GS in SLI! Sure it's not the high end cards that everyone want to have in there system. But there is nothing wrong with them, I have two in SLI and I can't tell you any difference from my game play from my co-worker who has two 7900GT in SLI. If you were compairing two cards of the same speed and power then everyone would say it's up to you. But clearly eveyone isgoing to tell you to go with the two 7600s instead. I don't have a need to upgrade my 6800s for a few years if I don't want too. I will do so sometime in 2008!

As far as Windows goes, Are you sure you want to go with Media Center when you working with 3D programs? I'm not sure about that one, you might know better than me..........

Have fun with that rig....
October 11, 2006 6:41:41 PM

Installed and ran program, here is what I have

AMD Athlon 64 3000+
ASUS K8V Motherboard
Kingston 512 mb PC3200 x 2
Maxtor 100 gig HD 6Y120L0
Radeon 9200 series 128
DVD-RW drive
DVD-ROM drive

Thanks!
October 11, 2006 7:16:59 PM

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I have two in SLI and I can't tell you any difference from my game play from my co-worker who has two 7900GT in SLI.


7900GT SLI will wipe the floor with your 6800GS SLI. Also, I find it funny that you paired a $1000 CPU with two low/mid-range grahpics cards.
October 11, 2006 7:17:40 PM

It's nice to see that you enjoy your SLI setup, but buying a 6800GS SLI setup is not cost effective right now and would be a waste of money. A single $270 256MB X1900XT would not only be cheaper than the 2 6800GSs in SLI, but it will outperform them as well. The least expensive 6800GS I could find on Newegg was ~ $160(U.S.) so you can expect to pay a bit more in a brick and mortar shop. That goes ditto for a 256MB X1900XT, but it should still be cheaper than 2 6800GSs. If it is not then the shop is simply charging too much.

@LordJish, you're running a S754 board which is what I suspected. The weakest link in that system is the graphics card (I thought you had a 9800Pro?), but the rest of it isn't that bad. The CPU is a little lacking, but it's not holding you back here and can easily carry you for another year or so. I'm not familiar with ZBrush, but it's requirements are not hefty and aside from the possible lack of a dual monitor setup, your current system can handle it fine.

If you have the standard K8V, then you should have 2 more slots open for RAM. If you have one of the 2 slot versions, then eBay the 2 512s and get yourself 2 1GB modules. An add'l 1GB (2x512MB) of RAM or 2 new 1GB modules for a total of 2GBs of RAM and a new graphics card will make a huge difference. This X850Pro is an outstanding deal and is lightyears ahead of that 9200 card. Toss in a new hard drive for more space and your set. You could easily keep the cost under $300 here and you'd be amazed at what the new stuff will do. Talk to your shop guy and see what he can come up with along these lines and come back to us.

Or, have your shop guy price out a Intel Core 2 Duo (E6300 is fine) system and come back to us.
October 11, 2006 7:32:08 PM

Thats a socket 754 board but theres no reason why you couldnt just buy a socket939 and get a x2. Add more memory and video card and your set.
No need to replace everything.
October 11, 2006 8:47:14 PM

if you are referring to the 'Asus A8N32-SLI Motherboard' then it is a socket 939.

unless i'm mistaken but didnt dual-channel, SLi/CrossFire and dual core cpu's begin on the 939/775's platform.

Anyway, my advice is simply AM2/Core 2 Duo cpu with ddr2 ram and supporting motherboard. this will make your computer last longer since it is newer so you can just upgrade to latest tech when it arrives.
October 11, 2006 9:31:53 PM

Thelvyn was talking about the OPs current motherboard which is an Asus K8V and it is a S754 but you're correct in saying that the Asus A8N32-SLI is S939.

Dual channel was available on Socket A (Athlon XP) boards, possibly even further back depending on specific you want to get.
October 11, 2006 9:51:06 PM

7900GT SLI will wipe the floor with your 6800GS SLI. Also, I find it funny that you paired a $1000 CPU with two low/mid-range grahpics cards.[/quote]

OHH DUH?! Please quote me were I said 6800's were better than 7900's........ I'm waiting......

As far as my rig goes, The 6800's are about two years old now! You knew that right? The cpu came much latter than the 6800's! And I got a very sweet deal on it. But you knew that right? I'm sure. I don't see any need for me too run out and buy any new graphics cards.

Don't be so fast to judge.
October 11, 2006 10:06:20 PM

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7900GT SLI will wipe the floor with your 6800GS SLI. Also, I find it funny that you paired a $1000 CPU with two low/mid-range grahpics cards.


OHH DUH?! Please quote me were I said 6800's were better than 7900's........ I'm waiting......

As far as my rig goes, The 6800's are about two years old now! You knew that right? The cpu came much latter than the 6800's! And I got a very sweet deal on it. But you knew that right? I'm sure. I don't see any need for me too run out and buy any new graphics cards.

Don't be so fast to judge.[/quote]

I was just commenting on how you said that you couldn't tell the difference between your 6800s and your co-worker's 7900s.
October 11, 2006 10:18:56 PM

He probably meant that the difference between 60fps and 120fps is not noticeable unless your running a benchmark.

People go nuts anymore over getting 100fps vs 60fps and I just dont get it.
Its does not affect your gameplay. We used to always say you needed 30fps now people say it has to be 60fps mininum. The human eye cant tell a difference as far as I know. 60 or 100 who really cares ?
Only matters for benchmarks.
October 11, 2006 10:19:31 PM

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I'm surprised you didn't b!tch about the Ultra-brand PSU.

Dude! You're right, I missed that!

Ultra PSUs will make your system go "b00m", and die in a fire.

Better ducky? :lol: 

Much better. I'm happy now :lol: 
October 11, 2006 10:24:57 PM

A BIG FAT THANK YOU!
Thats what I should have said...
October 11, 2006 10:25:42 PM

This post is getting off track! : )

Let me just ask this...

For 1k, including operating system... (no speakers, mouse, keyboard)

Can a better system be built using respectable components?

Remember, the one above was only 989 + tax including OS...so that's like everying for 860 or so.

Basically most seem not to like the graphic card selection or PSU...so let's say each card is worth 100 bucks...what 200 dollar card do u recomend?

Also a good psu?
October 11, 2006 10:30:44 PM

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Dual channel was available on Socket A (Athlon XP) boards, possibly even further back depending on specific you want to get.


nForce2 had dual channel on Socket A.

Is A8N32-SLI a DDR2 board?
October 11, 2006 11:05:11 PM

Try this:

Case $49.99
Motherboard $117.99
Video Card $199.99
PSU $48.99
CPU $180.00
RAM $219.99
Floppy $5.79 (optional, but always bites one in the arse when they need it & don't have it.)
HD $68.99
DVD Burner $30.99
OS $109.99

$1032.71 plus shipping and tax (where applicable)

I priced this out a few weeks ago for a friend so there could be more current and better deal at the Egg. Not sure and I don't have the time to check. This system will even be capable of some moderate overclocking which was my intent when I originally spec'd it.

@bliq, sorry I didn't mean all Socket A boards were capable of Dual Channel, I just meant it went as far back as that (maybe further, I don't know beyond that). The A8N32-SLI is not a DDR2 board. It's a S939 DDR board.
October 11, 2006 11:48:22 PM

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Try this:

Case $49.99
Motherboard $117.99
Video Card $199.99
PSU $48.99
CPU $180.00
RAM $219.99
Floppy $5.79 (optional, but always bites one in the arse when they need it & don't have it.)
HD $68.99
DVD Burner $30.99
OS $109.99

$1032.71 plus shipping and tax (where applicable)


A better "cheap" case is the spire.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

the video, the better choice, is the 1900 XT not GT.
Motherboard and cpu are debatible. X2 or Core2. Hard to say which will be supported in the future with new cpus. Ones that support duel video cards are really only useful if you run at very high resolutions. If not, a single pci-x slot would be good enough. (check tomshardware.com for results. )
memory should be ddr2 800 not 667 as both cpus support ddr2 800.
rest is by choce.
October 12, 2006 12:19:50 AM

get a 7900gto instead of those 6800gs
October 12, 2006 12:40:49 AM

Thanks everyone for your time in helping me config!

JM
October 12, 2006 4:34:02 PM

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the video, the better choice, is the 1900 XT not GT.

Everyone knows this but it will not fit within the OPs budget. I picked the GT to keep the price down and currently it is the best card you can get for $200. It's a far better setup than dual GSs he was considering and is more than capable of handling the tasks he wanted to do with it.

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Motherboard and cpu are debatible. X2 or Core2.

The S3 is the lowest priced 965 board worth considering based on it's features, performance and price. Currently the only other 965 board that I know of & is less money is the MSI P965 Neo-F which doesn't have the same features and performance for the price.

The comparable X2 is the 4200+, which an E6300 is more than capable of competing with and it scales much better.

Quote:
Hard to say which will be supported in the future with new cpus.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

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memory should be ddr2 800 not 667 as both cpus support ddr2 800.
rest is by choce.

Decent DDR2 667 can perform just as good as cheap DDR2 800.
October 12, 2006 9:27:40 PM

looks like a great system you spec'd out there for just about 1K, i definitely recommend this system over the other one
October 13, 2006 9:33:32 PM

I've accumulated all advice, and my shop dude has given me this guild for the same price of 989+ tax

Powmax BIO ll CP601 Black Mid ATX (not using psu)
AMD 4400 X 2
Foxconn NF4UK8AA-8EKRS Board
ATi 1900 GT
Mushkin or Crucial 1 gig stick x 2 DDR400
LiteOn DVDRW 16X DL
250GB Western Digital SATA-II HDD
Microsoft Media Center
Ultra 500 W Power Supply

Please rate and let me know if there any any weak spots.

Thank you!
October 13, 2006 11:09:41 PM

It looks like all he did was swap out the motherboard, case and graphics card. That X1900GT is a much better card than 2 6800GSs IMO. Money better spent.

For $989 that's not a bad deal and it sounds as if the shop guy is shooting straight with you. Have fun with it.
October 15, 2006 6:42:14 AM

Thanks again for the advice everyone!
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