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TAT says 48 c for core 0 and 50 for core 2.

Speed Fan says Temp 1 45c, temp 2 35c, Temp 34c, and HD0 39c.

I have an e6600, P5W DH, one SATA HDD, ATI x1800xt, and one DVD drive with a Scythe Ninja HSF in an antec p180 case with the fans on the middle speed. My room is about 77f. The system is just 2 days old so I know the AS5 has to cure a bit. I want to overclock so please, please, please do not tell to re-apply the AS5 as taking my mobo out and replacing it will be a HUGE challenge.

What is the minimum temperature to be dangerous to the system?

Thanks!!

Eddie

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Its a bit high, but nothing to worrie about if thats full load.

Reply to shata

Well let me put it this way my 4000+ has a idle of about 32C and full load of 39C on my zalman 130mm pure copper heatsink.

Im not sure i havent owned your cpu but i think its kinda high, and even if it cures its not gona drop 10c maybe 1-3c if that. Im not sure if you need to reapply it, how much did you use? it should have been the size of a pee.

Here read the guide maybe it will help.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ins_ro [...] elas5.html

Pick the CPU that applys to you, i think its the Bottom right cpu.

Read it and see if you did it right, if you didnt well take it apart and redo it. Its better to do it right then rush through it.

If you do it right i can get my cpu to run 30-32c idle which is masterful on air.

Reply to shata

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Well let me put it this way my 4000+ has a idle of about 32C and full load of 39C on my zalman 130mm pure copper heatsink.



If that's the temp from speedfan type apps, add another 10c. The core temps are usually +10c higher than the results from the bus sensors.

When fans are all on max, i get a 28-30 core temp idle with my E6600/p5b deluxe. If i turn them all down to +5v i get around 35+. My speed fan temps are around -10c diff.

Reply to windego

TAT and core temp are the programs that the majority of people are using for temp readings.

you should'nt let the core 2 get above 60C at full load.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/d [...] pec=SL9S8#
this is what intel says

Reply to _TOMO_

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TAT and core temp are the programs that the majority of people are using for temp readings.

you should'nt let the core 2 get above 60C at full load.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/d [...] pec=SL9S8#
this is what intel says



Hehe. Look at the vcore range. That's extremely conservative. I've had my E6600 @ 2.0v/70C before. I hardly think 60C is to high. Hell, 1.4-1.5 vcore is bog standard for overclockers. If you want your chip to last 10 years, then i'm sure that spec is normal, but for most people 4-5 years or less is time for cpu change.

Also just consider what temps P4's were running at. A lot higher than 60C.

Reply to windego

remember these are totally different to the old p4's and what would intel know about conroes anyway they only make them.

the vcore stated is stock if you want to run above then thats your choice, with a TDP of 65w 60C is mighty high

Reply to _TOMO_

Actually that is idle. I ran a burn in test and watched the temps and they stayed the same during it.

Reply to mickeddie

I followed the directions on the arctic silver web site...a thin strip down the middle.

The only thing that may have done something is that as I was putting the components in my mobo my hands kept rubbing against the HS, but I thought that would just help spread the AS around a bit more.

Reply to mickeddie

My E6600 @ 3.0GHz idles at 40C and is 54C under load.

Reply to jaguarskx

Intel know about their cpu but they also want them to have a long lifespan and perfect stability. And obviously you and me dont have the same definiton of stability that Intel has. Just looking at the PIII 1.13ghz recall, I'm sure not even 10% of the users would have noticed it! Yet they recalled them!

I'm pretty sure they design their CPU to last anywhere from 10-15 years. I say running them of the spec, either vCore/temperature will probably knock down a few years and your CPU will last 5-7, wich is tottaly fine with me.

***Obviously these are all guess but they're educated ones, to a certain extend :lol: !

Reply to Anonymous

The IDLE temp should not be the same as the as full load. Where you running 2 isntance of prime or a similar program to max both core?

Personnaly I think that idle and full load temp being identical indicate a bad airflow in the case, because the CPU can only get as cool as the ambient aire in the case. On the other hand, the P180 is a very well ventilated case, how is you cable management? are they blocking aire flow?

Other than that, you can run at these temps, no problem, you just might run out of OC headroom rather quickly.

Oh and last question, looking at the scythe ninja, seams like you can mount the fan at different places, not quite sure, in what direction is the fan pushing the air?

Reply to Anonymous

So the sensor whereever it may be, the asus app isnt reading it right and really my cpu isnt at 39c load?

Reply to shata

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The IDLE temp should not be the same as the as full load. Where you running 2 isntance of prime or a similar program to max both core?

Personnaly I think that idle and full load temp being identical indicate a bad airflow in the case, because the CPU can only get as cool as the ambient aire in the case. On the other hand, the P180 is a very well ventilated case, how is you cable management? are they blocking aire flow?

Other than that, you can run at these temps, no problem, you just might run out of OC headroom rather quickly.

Oh and last question, looking at the scythe ninja, seams like you can mount the fan at different places, not quite sure, in what direction is the fan pushing the air?



I was running "burnintest". My cable management is not that great...all of my cables are on the lower part of the case in front of the top HD cage which is empty since I use the lower HD cage. There is no air restriction around the CPU and HS. I have the fan mounted so it blows air right onto the HS and right out the back exhaust fan.

Reply to mickeddie

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TAT and core temp are the programs that the majority of people are using for temp readings.

you should'nt let the core 2 get above 60C at full load.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/d [...] pec=SL9S8#
this is what intel says



60C is NOT A LIMIT in the CPU cores. Please read my posts at:

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/har [...] 04104.html

:D

- Davor

Reply to dbuvinic
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Your load temps (those are under load, right?) seem okay but not exceptional considering the case is closed.

I know CoreTemp reports Tjunction, and I think Speedfan and TAT do as well. For desktop Core 2 Duo, when Tjunction reaches 85 Celsius, the CPU automatically begins to throttle, and if it reaches ~100 or 110 C, the CPU shuts off. Intel does not otherwise specify a safe Tjunction range.

Intel's specifications are that Tcase should not exceed 60C. There is no direct measurement of Tcase in the typical end-user setup.

Tjunction is the temperature measured by the thermal diode sitting on the processor die, and there is a separate calibration sensor which appends its data to a CPU register. Tjunction reporting programs may interpret the calibration to mean slightly different temperatures.

Tcase is the temperature measured at the surface center of the integrated heat sink, but there's thermal grease or a pad occupying that spot. Motherboards have a sensor somewhere in the socket that merely approximates Tcase.

Personally, I experience no reliability issues running a 1.51v 3.7GHz C2D with Tjunction reported by Core Temp at 70-82C. I only exceed 80C in a closed case environment when running Intel's 32-bit Woodcrest-optimized Linpack (hottest code I know of). In a closed case, I'd be more worried about cooling the voltage regulators supplying power to an overclocked CPU, as when those are overheated, your Vcore could sag, destabilizing your overclock, or crash altogether.

Reply to Wr

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What is the minimum temperature to be dangerous to the system?



As per my personal experience, when playing games my AMD Orion (K7 - 600MHz, funny how it seems way back in time) used to run like 115 degs C. (It was OCed to 684MHz on a Soltek SL-77kv, no over volting - I sometimes wonder where that company went?). And I'm not joking b/c the heatsink got so hot I'd burn my finger if I touched it, and the thermal compound started to sizzle and give off smells. (Hmmm, this is what's called pushing to the limit). The CPU lived for 6 years (used 16 hrs a day). And no it never crashed the system. (It was miraculous but Thunderbirds had the bad reputation, not the Orions).

Personally I think its the thermal cycle (heating - cooling then heating) that damages the CPU.

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48 c for core 0 and 50 for core 2.



Its OK as long as the exhaust isn't scalding OR the machine doesn't crash. In fact I find it amazing at the number of people here who think 'their' temperature is so high and still fight with fate to get those 2 degs off.

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