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a b B Homebuilt system
October 11, 2006 11:32:49 AM

So here's the story. I have a friend that doesn't have much $ for a computer, but there kids are wanting a computer for christmas. I've built several computers in the last 3 years (about 8 ). The budget is currently <=$500. So here is my proposed system that fits within the budget.
The OS, keyboard, mouse, monitor will not be included in the price.

CPU
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Orleans 2.0GHz 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Motherboard
ABIT KN9 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Memory
pqi POWER Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Video Card
POWERCOLOR X800GTO256MBDDR3 Radeon X800GTO 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Hard Drive
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Plus ST3160023A 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Case/PSU
RAIDMAX O2 ATX-302BP Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420Watt PRESCOTT/ SATA Ready Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

DVD Burner
LITE-ON Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE 16X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

If Intel CPU was to be bought, I was thinking of this:

CPU
Intel Pentium D 805 Smithfield 2.66GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Dual Core,EM64T Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

and Motherboard to go with it
MSI P965 Neo-F Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

I know that if I use the motherboard for the Intel setup that I might need to adjust a little to fit the budget.

What do you guys/gals think? I'm open to any suggestions on any part of this.

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a b B Homebuilt system
October 11, 2006 1:22:47 PM

I tried your link, but it doesn't seem to work (at least for me). Could you put it in on individual links?
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October 11, 2006 1:34:09 PM

>PSU

Nah, that system will only draw about 200W of power. That should be fine.
October 11, 2006 1:46:12 PM

Given your budget you might want to consider onboard video, e.g.,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Board has firewire if they have or get a digital camcorder, a DVI connection, and you save about $85, which could be used to upgrade the CPU or get a wireless card if they have a network. Have a MSI 939 mobo with this on-board video that works very well but I don't play games. Can always upgrade the video card later. Something to think about with a tight budger. Could use the savings to buy beer for the builder. :) 
October 11, 2006 1:59:21 PM

Dammit; dual post.
October 11, 2006 2:00:27 PM
October 11, 2006 2:10:59 PM

You want me to quote your own figures back at you?

Power required is 196W (I originally had it as a S754 not an AM2).

196/12 =16.5A

That's 16.5A over two 12V rails. Can you find a 420W PSU which has an *actual* output of >16.5A over two 12V rails?

Bear in mind that you've then got >220W on both the 3.3V and the 5V rails.

Heck, can you find a 420W PSU which has an *actual* output of >20A over two 12V rails? even then you've got 180W to split between the 3.3V and 5V rails.

Without further info on the PSU you can't say "this PSU won't be good enough!". It's entirely possible it will be.
October 11, 2006 2:29:16 PM

ok, looks a fine system
psu is ok
until yesterday i was running:
AMD64 3Ghz.
MSI mobo
1024 Ram
Geforce4 TI 4600
TV-Tuner - card leadteck
120 GB Harddrive
DVD +/- r
some CCFL


all with a el cheapo PSU (300 w) came with an old case and it did it like a charm
(brand of the PSU: Deer? somebody know them?)

changed it to a modular PSU for modding purposes
October 11, 2006 2:52:15 PM

EDIT: Forgot to add hard drive in initial system. Cost over budget. See other POST below.

With less <$500 to spend, I'd stick with a Socket 939 system. Going AM2, you are going to need DDR2 800 to make the system humm. Here's my suggestions.

CPU: A64 3700+ San Diego - $97
Mobo: ASUS A8N-E - $93
Memory: AMPO 1GB - $85. Get a 1GB stick for now even though it won't be in dual-channel. Sometime next year, get another 1GB stick so the computer will be "Vista" ready with 2GB.

Here's another choice. OCZ Value 1GB - $105. I have the same memory but in 512MB version. It's worked well for me.

Case/PSU: Antec Sonata II with 450W PSU - $106. Very nice case and PSU. I have had the Perf Plus for 5 years which is very similar but only has a 350W PSU. Antec makes good PSU's.

Mpilchfamily makes a point about not trusting PSU's bundled with a case, but in Antec's case (pun, pun, pun) this is by far an exception to his rule.

Video Card: Sapphire X850XT - $126. If Shader Model 3 is important, then the eVGA 7600GT - $119 is a good option.

DVD Burner: NEC 3550A - $41. The OEM is out-of-stock. See if you can find it cheaper someplace else.

Total #1: $568 with OCZ memory & X850XT
Total #2: $541 with AMPO memory & 7600GT

In order to get below $500, here's a couple of changes:

CPU: A64 3200+ Venice Core - $70.
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB Perpendicular Drive - $80

Total #3: $526 with OCZ memory & X850XT
Total #4: $499 with AMPO memory & 7600GT

Hope this helps.
October 11, 2006 3:06:56 PM

So, you have further info on the PSU - and it's not good enough. That's fine. I said you needed further info, you provided it.

Just coming out with a random statement like "it won't be good enough" is generally bad form...
October 11, 2006 3:13:29 PM

Quote:
With less <$500 to spend, I'd stick with a Socket 939 system. Going AM2, you are going to need DDR2 800 to make the system humm. Here's my suggestions.

CPU: A64 3700+ San Diego - $97
Mobo: ASUS A8N-E - $93
Memory: AMPO 1GB - $85. Get a 1GB stick for now even though it won't be in dual-channel. Sometime next year, get another 1GB stick so the computer will be "Vista" ready with 2GB.

Here's another choice. OCZ Value 1GB - $105. I have the same memory but in 512MB version. It's worked well for me.

Case/PSU: Antec Sonata II with 450W PSU - $106. Very nice case and PSU. I have had the Perf Plus for 5 years which is very similar but only has a 350W PSU. Antec makes good PSU's.

Mpilchfamily makes a point about not trusting PSU's bundled with a case, but in Antec's case (pun, pun, pun) this is by far an exception to his rule.

Video Card: Sapphire X850XT - $126. If Shader Model 3 is important, then the eVGA 7600GT - $119 is a good option.

DVD Burner: NEC 3550A - $41. The OEM is out-of-stock. See if you can find it cheaper someplace else.

Total #1: $568 with OCZ memory & X850XT
Total #2: $541 with AMPO memory & 7600GT

In order to get below $500, here's a couple of changes:

CPU: A64 3200+ Venice Core - $70.
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB Perpendicular Drive - $80

Total #3: $526 with OCZ memory & X850XT
Total #4: $499 with AMPO memory & 7600GT

Hope this helps.


Your math is wrong. The total for the AMPO memory w/7600GT and 3200+ is $594.
October 11, 2006 3:14:23 PM

Quote:
So, you have further info on the PSU - and it's not good enough. That's fine. I said you needed further info, you provided it.

Just coming out with a random statement like "it won't be good enough" is generally bad form...


I was going to respond to your post, but I decided not to continue arguing. FTW, what PSU are you using in your PC?
October 11, 2006 3:18:06 PM

You're trying to make me out as if I was saying "don't be silly, this powersupply will work", even after you've posted information stating that it wouldn't.

I didn't claim your knowledge of PSUs was lacking, in any way shape or form.

I accepted that I was wrong with the PSU - "So, you have further info on the PSU - and it's not good enough." - I am just stating that it's a bad idea to say;

"It's not about the watts as angry_ducky said. Its about how much current the PSU supplies over the +12v rails. The system listed may only pull 200W at the most but it needs abuot 18A-20A otherwise it will blow the PSU. I never trust a PSU that is bundled with a case. 9 times out of 10 the PSU will be underpowering your system this leads to many Power issues. See my link below to learn more about the basics of PSU's."

Which implies that *I* don't know anything about PSUs but doesn't actually show why getting this PSU is a bad idea.

A better post would have been along the lines of "this PSU doesn't supply enough power, look at *this* link", and avoiding the personal attacks...
October 11, 2006 3:23:25 PM

>FTW, what PSU are you using in your PC?

Uh, doesn't "FTW" mean "For The Win"?

I've never seen it used in that context before... Oh well, learn something new every day!

>PSU

An Akasa Paxpower 460W.

30A on 3.3, 30A on 5, 14A on 12V1, 15A on 12V2.

Max load on 3.3+5 = 210W (which is about 30W short of combining the two).

0.5A on the -12 and 2A on the -5 is another 16W.

Leaves roughly 234W - which means that the 2 12V lines can produce approximately 19A between them. More than enough.

I picked it quite carefully ;) 
October 11, 2006 3:29:49 PM

Quote:
Once again i apoligise for my rude posts. We are all hear to educate and to be edutated.


Hear, hear
October 11, 2006 3:30:51 PM

Thanks for being so gracious. I'm sorry I kinda flew off the handle a bit... I'm a bit stressed with this bl**dy shell script!

You're right with your PSU comments and you're right in saying that the PSU wasn't good enough. I was hoping that I could make you see that claiming the PSU wasn't good enough without providing proof was a silly thing to do - but to be honest I should've looked at the link the OP had posted before posting myself.

Thanks for your apology - once again I apologise for *my* rude posts!
October 11, 2006 3:43:10 PM

>This is your PSU

Yep. Although I think I got the "non-LED" version...

It does say that the max power on the 3.3 and 5v is 210W - hence 250W left over!
a b B Homebuilt system
October 11, 2006 3:57:44 PM

Wow! Didn't think my original post was going to stir things up in a short time:)  I suspected I was probably on the border with the Case/PSU, but I wanted to make sure I didn't miss something.
I had a couple of follow up questions.
* The GSkill memory has marginal reviews (I know that the newegg feedback isn't the best). Has anyone had personal experience with them?

* I noticed someone had mentioned a x850xt, but doesn't that require more amps from the system than a x800gto? If that is true, wouldn't a 7300gt be better in the same price range (~$90)?

* If you get a good deal somewhere, could you include the web address? I noticed that most of you include links (thanks).

Thanks for all of the information from everyone so far, it really helps to talk (write) these things out and get feedback.
October 11, 2006 4:14:42 PM

Sorry, forgot to add the HDD in the initial system. All of the math is wrong. Thanks for the correction AngryDucky.

Since the Socket 939 system I put together did not come in under $500, I'd recommend getting AM2 so it's not antiquated.

The system that lunyone put together cost $523.

I'd make 3 changes.

Memory: PQI Turbo DDR2 800 - $108. For an AM2 system, you need DDR2 800 to get the performance out of the chip. Plus, like I said before, get the 1GB stick and not 2x512MB for the time being. Get another 1GB next year to be "VISTA" ready.

You memory was $105 and this is $108 for a difference of $3.

Case/PSU: Antec Sonata II with 450W PSU - $106. Don't skimp here. This way, the system can be upgraded very easily. This is a very nice case and PSU. I have had the Perf Plus for 5 years which is very similar but only has a 350W PSU. Antec makes good PSU's.

Your case/PSU is $64 and this is $106 for a difference of $42. This is the biggest difference in cost but is the MOST CRITICAL component of all.

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB Perpendicular Drive - $80.

Your hard drive is $61 and this is $80. This is only $19 more than the hard drive you choose and it's 100GB bigger, has a 16MB cache instead of 8MB, it's a perpendicular drive and is SATA.

Adding the differences to your system brings the total to $587.

I know it's $87 over budget, but it's worth it.
October 11, 2006 4:27:13 PM

My Advise to you as i have built many many many gaming systems both budget and all out alike. I would recommend that even though im sure your anxious i would wait and save up about another 100 bucks... This way you would be able to pick up the power supply you need and not skimp on your video card. I would recommend going with the intels d processor to take advantage of the second processor core. I also believe its faster i havent taken the time to check the benchmarks. Just trust me wait a bit longer and you will be happier you dont have to skimp.. and hey by the time you get the extra 100 you might be able to find a better video card.
October 11, 2006 5:41:43 PM

Quote:
Sorry, forgot to add the HDD in the initial system. All of the math is wrong. Thanks for the correction AngryDucky.

Since the Socket 939 system I put together did not come in under $500, I'd recommend getting AM2 so it's not antiquated.

The system that lunyone put together cost $523.

I'd make 3 changes.

Memory: PQI Turbo DDR2 800 - $108. For an AM2 system, you need DDR2 800 to get the performance out of the chip. Plus, like I said before, get the 1GB stick and not 2x512MB for the time being. Get another 1GB next year to be "VISTA" ready.

You memory was $105 and this is $108 for a difference of $3.

Case/PSU: Antec Sonata II with 450W PSU - $106. Don't skimp here. This way, the system can be upgraded very easily. This is a very nice case and PSU. I have had the Perf Plus for 5 years which is very similar but only has a 350W PSU. Antec makes good PSU's.

Your case/PSU is $64 and this is $106 for a difference of $42. This is the biggest difference in cost but is the MOST CRITICAL component of all.

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB Perpendicular Drive - $80.

Your hard drive is $61 and this is $80. This is only $19 more than the hard drive you choose and it's 100GB bigger, has a 16MB cache instead of 8MB, it's a perpendicular drive and is SATA.

Adding the differences to your system brings the total to $587.

I know it's $87 over budget, but it's worth it.


THe system that I made was cheaper than yours, and similar in performance. With my system, you could change the video card to a 7600GT, and still be around $500. I just tried to keep it below $500 to leave some room for shipping.
a b B Homebuilt system
October 11, 2006 10:07:49 PM

Quote:
My Advise to you as i have built many many many gaming systems both budget and all out alike. I would recommend that even though im sure your anxious i would wait and save up about another 100 bucks... This way you would be able to pick up the power supply you need and not skimp on your video card. I would recommend going with the intels d processor to take advantage of the second processor core. I also believe its faster i havent taken the time to check the benchmarks. Just trust me wait a bit longer and you will be happier you dont have to skimp.. and hey by the time you get the extra 100 you might be able to find a better video card.


I'm not the one setting the budget, so I dont' have control of it. I will talk with the friend and see if there is more room for more, but at this point I don't see it. I'm trying to wait a little bit, so hopefully RAM prices drop a bit and maybe GPU's too.
October 12, 2006 12:04:52 AM

Ok so i ended up with a system that was below 499 until it occured to me that i had forgotten the dvd burner. the entire system comes in around 529 and with tax depends on your location. Here is the breakdown and my choice for parts.

LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner 30.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
(Same drive as you chose no reason to change)

ATRIX ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 480W Power Supply - Retail 37.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
(Chosen Hard Drive needs sata and this power supply fits not only that but the motherboard connections and power requirements.)

HITACHI Deskstar T7K250 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 53.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
(Motherboard contains 1 ide connection figured it would be easier to have only one device on the chain as far as cable navigation in the case)

SAPPHIRE 100106PEL Radeon X850XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail 119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
(Biggest bang for its buck)

MASSCOOL FD08025S1M4 80mm Sleeve Case Cooling Fan 1.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...
(simple cooling fan for case since it has none)

G.SKILL 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
(same price as what you choose and the sheer speed should offset the dual channel not to mention frees up a memory slot.)

ABIT IL8 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945P ATX Intel Motherboard 84.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
(Contains all that and a bag of chips.

Intel Pentium D 805 Smithfield 2.66GHz LGA 775 Dual Core,EM64T 89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
(better in benches than the 3200 and contains two cores so is more apt for future applications than the 3200 as well.)

Overall Price was 529.92 without shipping. The few extra bucks will really make this system shine.
October 12, 2006 6:09:44 AM

That's true but I feel that the $87 is money well spent. And it's AM2, not a dead socket like 939. Which I just mean that no more new CPU's will be made for it.

Now, if $500 is the max for budget with no ifs, ands, or buts, then I would make the following changes:

Mobo: ECS NForce 4M-A - $52
Case/PSU: The same one that AngryDucky picked. Very nice alternative. Antec Soln SLK1650 - $67

Price Diff:

Mobo: 83-52 = 31
Case/PSU: 106-67 = 39

Total Diff = 70

New Total: $517

You win on price. ;-) I just can't make myself pick the socket 939 A64 3000 for 55 bucks which is the determining factor in pushing the system below $500.

I'd spend the extra 17 bucks and get the newer socket with greater potential down-the-road for upgrading. But that's just my opinion.

Vegettonox: Nice Pentium D 805 system. Though, I'd be cautious about the case and PSU. Seems awefully cheap. And you know the ol' adage, you get what you pay for.
October 12, 2006 7:13:59 AM

Damn i must appologize about my previous post ive built like 10 gaming systems and like around 15 budget systems not to mention helped others in choosing parts and everyone is driven nutts by me because of how logical i am in choosing stuff and critiqueing my choices. I cant believe it happened to me. im a certified network professional with like 6 or so years of experience and enthusiasm in computers and my dumbass forgot to even look at the am2 platforms.. someone shoot me....

Anyways too the point. Up until the processor and mainboard choice i stick with it. i do like that case you chose purdueguy. The reasonings for my case was the easy access front ports which make it better for family use.

Now that i have taken a look at the am2 slot based processors and their price and performance per dollar i still have to go with the pentium d 805. Its based on the fact that the nearest match on the am2 platform is like 170 bucks and i was going for the best midrange i could find and the best performance per dollar. The pentium d is best matched by price and power by the single core athlon 64 series but lacks a dual core so i passed on it. That and multitasking already showed the pentium at an advantage. Believe me when i say it that i am in no way for either processor although i do have a small place in my heart for ati vs nvidia.

One thing i have to add about what you said purdueguy "Though, I'd be cautious about the case and PSU. Seems awefully cheap. And you know the ol' adage, you get what you pay for."

The psus that come with systems are almost always "Value" and therefore getting one in a case in this price range isnt going to net you one much better. The psu you selected is also low wattage which bothered me a bit. Id rather make sure he has what he needs than be shorted at all.

If forced to go directly below 500 i have 2 options

If for speed and overall usage id sacrifice on the graphics card and maybe storage space going with a cheaper 80 gig.

If the system is going to be doing a lot of gaming id stick with the graphics card and maybe drop price via the hard drive and netting a simple cdburner or something salvagable from another system (even though thats distastefull)

I really cannot put my word behind anything less than what i put up for the price.

Definitly open to suggestion though no one is perfect...

and lunyone it all comes down to you.

As Captain Planet always used to say

"THE POWER IS YOURS" hahahah
October 12, 2006 8:02:18 AM

>mpilchfamily

You are making it easy to understand... But then I knew what you were talking about already, so it was somewhat easier!

I didn't make myself easy to understand... :oops: 

What I meant was "I could see that the max 3.3 and 5 was 210W, I figured I needed a minimum of 200W for the system - 250W was more than enough - and that's about 20A available."

I knew that the PSU would probably deliver more than that 20A, but I picked the PSU based on the fact that it would definitely deliver roughly 20A, whatever* load I had on the rest of the supply.

*OK, not totally, it would still be possible to kill it, but not with 2 burners and 2 drives!
a b B Homebuilt system
October 12, 2006 5:23:30 PM

Okay I modified a few things, so here's the latest build. I'm making this for a family who doesn't use any extreme needs, so I'm think right now I'm going with s939 just for the $. I know that s939 is almost dead, but the $40 or so difference in memory right now and the ~$20 in CPU price has pushed the budget. I'm going to double check with the friend and see if there is ANY wiggle room on the price, if so I'll go with the AM2 version, but here is what I'm currently thinking. Please let me know if there is something better that will sit within the $500 budget (including shipping and before rebates, no tax here so no worries on that).

CPU $55
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 1.8GHz 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Motherboard $71
MSI K8N Neo4-F Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Memory $85
AMPO 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) System Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Video card $93
POWERCOLOR X800GTO256MBDDR3 Radeon X800GTO 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Hard Drive $59
Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600JS 160GB Serial ATA II 7200RPM Hard Drive w/8MB Buffer ***Free Shipping***
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Case/PSU $110 w/$20 MIR
Antec Sonata II Quiet Super Mid Tower Case (Piano Black) Retail ***Free Shipping***
w/450W Power Supply
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

DVD Burner $31
LITE-ON Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE 16X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Total ~$495!! Plus getting $20 back after MIR would make it $475!
a b B Homebuilt system
October 12, 2006 5:45:08 PM

That looks like a winner to me. They'll be pleased. Be sure to remind them to get the extra 1GB memory module when the time comes to switch over to dual channel.

Good Job. :) 
a b B Homebuilt system
October 12, 2006 5:51:13 PM

Yeah, I'm hoping that they will be able to and want to upgrade to 2 gigs later. I'm just a little concerned that I might have a compatibility issue with the memory and the motherboard, since I've never used AMPO memory before. For all of the systems that I've built, I've used Corsair memory and haven't had any compatibility issues.
a b B Homebuilt system
October 12, 2006 6:03:11 PM

Well if it works... it works.

If not, it's easy to go to a retail store and pickup different RAM.

Is it just coincidence that RAM and RMA have the exact same letters?? :lol: 
a b B Homebuilt system
October 12, 2006 6:08:01 PM

Has anyone had any experience with AMPO memory?
October 12, 2006 10:30:04 PM

Ive definitly got it now. You cant beat this for the performance you simply cant i dare someone to try.

LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner Black IDE Model SHW160P6S05 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
(same deal no change) (30.99)

ATRIX CSCI-L8033-C43 Black SECC steel sheeting FCC class CB&CE approved ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 480W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
(same deal no change no reason to change trust me on this one) (37.99)

Western Digital Caviar WD800BB 80GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
(Just a price saver no biggy) (41.99)

ASUS A8V-E SE Socket 939 VIA K8T890 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
(asus all the way if i cant go abit) (64.99)

SAPPHIRE 100106PEL Radeon X850XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
(keep the video card as high as you can) (119.99)

MASSCOOL FD08025S1M4 80mm Sleeve Case Cooling Fan - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1683...
(still need the fan) (1.99)

2 X (A-DATA 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) System Memory Model VDBGB1916 - OEM)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
(good ram used several times before and good quality) (99.98 for 2)

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 2.0GHz Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3200BPBOX - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
(best processor in the price range) (70.00)

Total Sytem Price before tax is $467.92

This works out the best and you dont have to drop as low as your video card and cpu and you retain the 1 gig of ram. WHOOT THIS ONE IS PERFECT
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