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October 13, 2006 11:36:38 PM

Well, I just got back from Digital Life and I can say WOW. There are some real sweet things coming out soon. Most of which are based on Vista.

PS3 made an appearance and was being played by gamers. The graphics are eyepopping. I would say that Cell and GeForce are going to be a force to be reckoned with.

But the big story was AMD\Intel who were out in full force with PCs from Sony Hp, Dell, AlienWare, Toshiba and ABS.

As promised I got lots of good info on both C2Q and 4x4.
First C2Q:

It is fast. I got to play with one for a second and it is responsive as it wants to be. Programs pop open - even Office. Unfortunately none of the PCs had benchmark tests on them but the DeathMatch was definitely on.
I did notice soem interesting slow downs on X6800 but I can't say why. It was only opening games - which was slow. At least the ones i tried. Half Life 2, City of Heroes.


Next up 4x4:

It is fast. I didn't get to play with it much as there was no mouse but I did view the HD movies and game demos running smoothly. They opened Task Manager and you could see that the 4 cores were pegged at 100% and opening other windows still flew.

As far as the specs; from the horses mouth (Brent Barry of AMD),

4x4 will ship with 2 DDR2 slots per chip and WILL NOT USE REGISTERED RAM. The first ASUS mobo only has two video slots but they said they wil be adding 2 when the new nVidia and ATi chipsets come out.
The expected launch is next month. I forgot to ask if there would be DIY sales but I would say that it own't be long since most real enthusiast power users (home) want to put there own PC together.
He also hinted that future versions may support more than 4 GB RAM.


All I can really say is that now is the best time to be a PC retailer as you can't really sell a PC that won't run Vista well. I saw a 6150LE running Aero glass with an Athon 3500+ and also several laptops.

Dell was also out in force with an array of Merom laptops in Q4 deathmatches. They are sweet M1710 was the model.

SO to repeat AMD has confirmed that 4x4 will use regular RAM not Registered and if you can tell the difference between 4x4 and C2Q you are amazing.

I may go back tomorrow and see if I can see the mobo for 4x4.
October 13, 2006 11:40:01 PM

Did you take any pictures? You lucky bastard.
October 14, 2006 12:51:21 AM

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Did you take any pictures? You lucky bastard.


No. I was going to go tomorrow but decided to leave work early today so I could sleep in. No camera. It's too bad. There were some cool looking machines. VooDooPC had what looked like their C2Q box in the HP area and ALienWare brought out all the FXs they have along with the gaming Turions.

It was even said that Dell would use 4x4 in XPS systems. You have to admit that an OCd 965EE would be just slightly better in terms of power and not much worse than a dual socket Opteron.

Especially without the extra server stuff.
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October 14, 2006 12:55:29 AM

Well damn you for not taking your camera. I always wanted to go to a trade show.
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It was even said that Dell would use 4x4 in XPS systems. You have to admit that an OCd 965EE would be just slightly better in terms of power and not much worse than a dual socket Opteron.

8O I think that I'm going to die..... are you sure no one hijacked your account?
When did Dell say that they'd roll out the 4x4's? Or what the price was? If you know we could put off the 4x4 vs Quadro till then.
October 14, 2006 1:00:25 AM

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Well damn you for not taking your camera. I always wanted to go to a trade show.
It was even said that Dell would use 4x4 in XPS systems. You have to admit that an OCd 965EE would be just slightly better in terms of power and not much worse than a dual socket Opteron.

8O I think that I'm going to die..... are you sure no one hijacked your account?
When did Dell say that they'd roll out the 4x4's? Or what the price was? If you know we could put off the 4x4 vs Quadro till then.


The controversy will remain and while C2Q DOES have the upper hand of being the faster architecture, it will be like comparing 200MPH to 220 MPH in a 150MPH speed limit.

Since the official launch for AlienWare is Nov, I would say Dell will be right behind in time for XMas with C2Q and 4x4.
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October 14, 2006 1:02:21 AM

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Well damn you for not taking your camera. I always wanted to go to a trade show.
It was even said that Dell would use 4x4 in XPS systems. You have to admit that an OCd 965EE would be just slightly better in terms of power and not much worse than a dual socket Opteron.

8O I think that I'm going to die..... are you sure no one hijacked your account?
When did Dell say that they'd roll out the 4x4's? Or what the price was? If you know we could put off the 4x4 vs Quadro till then.


The controversy will remain and while C2Q DOES have the upper hand of being the faster architecture, it will be like comparing 200MPH to 220 MPH in a 150MPH speed limit.

Since the official launch for AlienWare is Nov, I would say Dell will be right behind in time for XMas with C2Q and 4x4.

More like 200MPH vs. 240MPH.. maybe even more.
October 14, 2006 1:02:46 AM

You get the 4x4, I'll buy the Qx6700 and we'll compare benchmarks and speeds along with TDP, Vcores and average temps running in a high load/idle situations. That is if we can max out the potential of these CPU's.
October 14, 2006 1:08:41 AM

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Well damn you for not taking your camera. I always wanted to go to a trade show.
It was even said that Dell would use 4x4 in XPS systems. You have to admit that an OCd 965EE would be just slightly better in terms of power and not much worse than a dual socket Opteron.

8O I think that I'm going to die..... are you sure no one hijacked your account?
When did Dell say that they'd roll out the 4x4's? Or what the price was? If you know we could put off the 4x4 vs Quadro till then.


The controversy will remain and while C2Q DOES have the upper hand of being the faster architecture, it will be like comparing 200MPH to 220 MPH in a 150MPH speed limit.

Since the official launch for AlienWare is Nov, I would say Dell will be right behind in time for XMas with C2Q and 4x4.

More like 200MPH vs. 240MPH.. maybe even more.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. I think that the FX70 will be like Core 2 and AM2 @ 2.8GHz but FX74 which is to be the only SKU ABOVE $1000 will nip on it's heels and overtake it areas where K8 is stronger. Different apps and games do cause the difference to fluctuate.

NUMA under X64 should also make up a few points. C2Q does have an architeture edge but AMD has the platform edge so it'll be interesting.

Either way I'm 4x4 all the way.
October 14, 2006 1:11:29 AM

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You get the 4x4, I'll buy the Qx6700 and we'll compare benchmarks and speeds along with TDP, Vcores and average temps running in a high load/idle situations. That is if we can max out the potential of these CPU's.


Probably only multiple HD movies will max these. As Jack was fond of saying though AMD has the tendency to spread out transistors to lessen leakage power so they may have some EE type enhancements applied. I couldn't care less though as long as it does what I want.

I will post what benchmarks I have time to run though. These short little blurbs take about a minute.
October 14, 2006 1:12:45 AM

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Either way I'm 4x4 all the way.

No qualms from me. I just don't have want to switch platforms.
You know, you're not all that bad. You just need to work on your wit.... and no flat tops are not GQ... ever again. that went out with shiny suits.
October 14, 2006 1:42:36 AM

8O *total amazement*

i can't help but notice that you're not being trash-talked into tomorrow. how's it feel? speaking of tomorrow... are you going back?

please find a way to get pictures! this forum will collectively love you forever
October 14, 2006 2:05:10 AM

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Either way I'm 4x4 all the way.

No qualms from me. I just don't have want to switch platforms.
You know, you're not all that bad. You just need to work on your wit.... and no flat tops are not GQ... ever again. that went out with shiny suits.

It's OK then cause I've never worn a shiny suit. ANd never will.
October 14, 2006 2:09:57 AM

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8O *total amazement*

i can't help but notice that you're not being trash-talked into tomorrow. how's it feel? speaking of tomorrow... are you going back?

please find a way to get pictures! this forum will collectively love you forever



I may go tomorrow. It was fun DeathMatching on a LAN. Reminded me of the my MS days. If I do I'll take my camera. Hopefully the C2Q will be back on the LAN. There was a problem with it today.
October 14, 2006 2:41:55 AM

*crosses fingers*

i wish you the best of luck tomorrow, Baron. enjoy it for the rest of us.... and hopefully bring back some pictures to make us regret missing it even more!
October 14, 2006 2:56:14 AM

Have fun Baron.... and bastage to you for your ability to get in to such a wonderous event.


Take Pics!!!
October 14, 2006 3:07:05 AM

Quote:
Well, I just got back from Digital Life and I can say WOW. There are some real sweet things coming out soon. Most of which are based on Vista.

PS3 made an appearance and was being played by gamers. The graphics are eyepopping. I would say that Cell and GeForce are going to be a force to be reckoned with.

But the big story was AMD\Intel who were out in full force with PCs from Sony Hp, Dell, AlienWare, Toshiba and ABS.

As promised I got lots of good info on both C2Q and 4x4.
First C2Q:

It is fast. I got to play with one for a second and it is responsive as it wants to be. Programs pop open - even Office. Unfortunately none of the PCs had benchmark tests on them but the DeathMatch was definitely on.
I did notice soem interesting slow downs on X6800 but I can't say why. It was only opening games - which was slow. At least the ones i tried. Half Life 2, City of Heroes.


Next up 4x4:

It is fast. I didn't get to play with it much as there was no mouse but I did view the HD movies and game demos running smoothly. They opened Task Manager and you could see that the 4 cores were pegged at 100% and opening other windows still flew.

As far as the specs; from the horses mouth (Brent Barry of AMD),

4x4 will ship with 2 DDR2 slots per chip and WILL NOT USE REGISTERED RAM. The first ASUS mobo only has two video slots but they said they wil be adding 2 when the new nVidia and ATi chipsets come out.
The expected launch is next month. I forgot to ask if there would be DIY sales but I would say that it own't be long since most real enthusiast power users (home) want to put there own PC together.
He also hinted that future versions may support more than 4 GB RAM.


All I can really say is that now is the best time to be a PC retailer as you can't really sell a PC that won't run Vista well. I saw a 6150LE running Aero glass with an Athon 3500+ and also several laptops.

Dell was also out in force with an array of Merom laptops in Q4 deathmatches. They are sweet M1710 was the model.

SO to repeat AMD has confirmed that 4x4 will use regular RAM not Registered and if you can tell the difference between 4x4 and C2Q you are amazing.

I may go back tomorrow and see if I can see the mobo for 4x4.


Who are you? And what have you done with BaronMatrix?
October 14, 2006 3:37:45 AM

I was about to ask that myself. In other words, this thread's OP was a great post. :trophy:
October 14, 2006 8:49:29 AM

Interesting stuff, however, the CPU is not everything, we have to consider that, even for dual cores, you have to get 4G+ of RAM to unleash the full potential of a platform; meke a 4x4 of kentsfield do a tough rendering or photo editing on 2G of RAM and you still end bottlenecked :cry: 
So, any news from the RAM front :?:
October 14, 2006 9:54:38 AM

great thread bm, thanks for the info :D 
October 14, 2006 11:30:44 AM

I love moles.


Great on toast.

I think I'm just jealous because he got to go to Digital Life, and I am in Africa.
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October 14, 2006 12:46:40 PM

Good info, good thread...definitely sounds there will be some really cool tech for us enthusiasts to play with...be sure to come back and give an update, BM...thanks!
October 14, 2006 2:53:10 PM

Baron!......... Baron?...... wakeup! get going.... dont forget your camera !!! :) 
October 14, 2006 3:01:40 PM

Great post man. I cant wait to see what the 4x4 can do. Wish I would have the money to buy one but I just had my first child so it looks like a lite upgrade for me seeing as how I will be missing most of my pay check from now on :) . Make sure you post your benchies when you get one :) .
October 14, 2006 3:26:21 PM

Some how I get this feeling that the natural order has been wessed with... but what the hizzie... I can't wait to see the pictures of 4x4.
October 14, 2006 3:37:26 PM

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Some how I get this feeling that the natural order has been wessed with... but what the hizzie... I can't wait to see the pictures of 4x4.


It does seem like an irregular way to go (as did sli) but I think technology is going to explode in the upcoming years. (not like laptop batteries)
October 14, 2006 3:41:17 PM

The technology would be great if they could get the power consumption of the FXs to about Core 2 levels. Thats purely debatable but his might just be possible with the step to the 65nm process. It could be though that we'll have to wait till the second generation of the process to see if AMD got it right. The maufactering process isn't exactly their forte.
Now if they could make it that it would accept any of the AM2 /AM+ series it would be even better.
October 14, 2006 4:03:15 PM

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The technology would be great if they could get the power consumption of the FXs to about Core 2 levels. Thats purely debatable but his might just be possible with the step to the 65nm process. It could be though that we'll have to wait till the second generation of the process to see if AMD got it right. The maufactering process isn't exactly their forte.
Now if they could make it that it would accept any of the AM2 /AM+ series it would be even better.


I agree
I am not expecting anything to viable for this until at least mid next year. The Fx requisite has put a damper on my enthusiasm for it. None the less it is interesting to see where this will go and how much other manufacturers will support it.
October 14, 2006 4:08:34 PM

I wonder if I could do the same with a couple of x6800's, a couple of 7950GX2's and a Tyan board....?
October 14, 2006 4:19:06 PM

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I wonder if I could do the same with a couple of x6800's, a couple of 7950GX2's and a Tyan board....?


LOL :lol:  I am still trying to find an upgrade path from my socket A agp system without a large ($800) initial output of funds .
At this stage I cant just replace 1 or 2 components at a time.
October 14, 2006 4:26:59 PM

Both of these new things are awesome, although the 2 sockets on the 4x4 are kind of a turn off for me :( .
October 14, 2006 4:36:05 PM

Good post, Baron. Make some more of them. 8)
October 14, 2006 4:38:21 PM

I havn't heard anything lately but initially AMD was hinting at other specialty processors could be used in the second socket. I guess this will depend on how well the 4x4 platform sells.
October 14, 2006 6:00:37 PM

Does anyone know if the Multi will be unlocked for the 4x4 or the C2Q? I wonder if these things will be able to oc at all but since they will probly be the best of the best out of the batches Im betting that it won't OC very well.
October 14, 2006 6:05:41 PM

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I havn't heard anything lately but initially AMD was hinting at other specialty processors could be used in the second socket. I guess this will depend on how well the 4x4 platform sells.


I wonder if they will have a GPU that will fit in the other socket since they aquired ATI. That would be intersting if they could get that to work with the PCIe slotted cards (5 graphic cards would be sweet). So would it be called a Graphics Card if its a GPU on the motherboard or would people start calling them Graphic chips?
October 14, 2006 6:18:10 PM

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Does anyone know if the Multi will be unlocked for the 4x4 or the C2Q? I wonder if these things will be able to oc at all but since they will probly be the best of the best out of the batches Im betting that it won't OC very well.

My quick but uneducated guess would be a yes since they are selling both the 4x4 and C2Q's as Extreme type series. Don't quote me on that though.
October 14, 2006 6:25:30 PM

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Does anyone know if the Multi will be unlocked for the 4x4 or the C2Q? I wonder if these things will be able to oc at all but since they will probly be the best of the best out of the batches Im betting that it won't OC very well.

My quick but uneducated guess would be a yes since they are selling both the 4x4 and C2Q's as Extreme type series. Don't quote me on that though.

Thats what I would think. I also heard that you can have diffrent clock speeds for the diffrent proccessors in the X2 I don't know if this was true I just saw some one say that on a forum some where but if thats true it might make overclocking better (or worse depending on the given situation)
October 14, 2006 6:27:52 PM

We'll have to wait and see before making a steady determination..
October 14, 2006 6:35:55 PM

OMG, what is going on with the universe?
Baron, with this thread you are crossing my expectations about you.

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4x4 will ship with 2 DDR2 slots per chip and WILL NOT USE REGISTERED RAM

How sure are you about this?

If this is true than FX-7x is unique combination of 2 coherent HT links, unbuffered ODMC and unlocked multiplier. A good news for 4x4 because buffered memory is slow and sux for overclocking.
October 14, 2006 6:39:46 PM

Don't start, don't start.... for the love of God, don't start......
October 14, 2006 6:43:59 PM

Hey Baron, great job and nice posting of what you were able to see at Digital L! If it is not too much asking and you are allowed to -assuming that you go back again to the site, please take some pictures for us in the forumz here. Hopefully we will be able to get a hold of both C2Q and 4x4 pretty soon. 8)

Once again, great post man!

Edit: I'm sorry for not noticing how behind I am; I got to see this thread actually today so I was not aware that you had posted this yesterday, Friday afternoon. BTW, hopefully you'll post some pics!

NP
October 14, 2006 6:47:47 PM

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Don't start, don't start.... for the love of God, don't start......


I think he is infatuated with Baron...lol!
October 14, 2006 6:49:03 PM

Quote:
Don't start, don't start.... for the love of God, don't start......
Start what?
no BS, no flames
October 14, 2006 6:51:11 PM

Quote:
Don't start, don't start.... for the love of God, don't start......
Start what?
no BM, no flames :lol: 
October 14, 2006 6:53:19 PM

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Don't start, don't start.... for the love of God, don't start......
Start what?
no BS, no flames
I concede that point... for now. :lol: 

The two of you on one thread + AMD/Intel = Forest Fire....
October 14, 2006 6:57:09 PM

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lol that is the coolest thing I have ever seen on a forum before related to a flame war! Can I steal that from you if I ever see a flame war going on?
October 14, 2006 6:58:45 PM

Google Image Search is your friend.
"Smokey Bear Fire"
October 14, 2006 7:03:01 PM

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The two of you
I'll consider this as insult.
October 14, 2006 7:05:18 PM

I will defently have to remember that. Thanks for the info!
October 14, 2006 7:05:59 PM

He BS's - you flame. No insult here
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