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October 16, 2006 3:29:13 PM

First and foremost I know C2D is the way to go. So please no advice towards that direction. I'm not looking to change my whole system, but I would like to go to a dual-core proccesor. My question is will the prices go any lower for X2 939 proccesors as the AM2's phases them out or will they go higher as availability becomes less. Thanks for any suggestions.

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October 16, 2006 3:34:33 PM

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First and foremost I know C2D is the way to go. So please no advice towards that direction. I'm not looking to change my whole system, but I would like to go to a dual-core proccesor. My question is will the prices go any lower for X2 939 proccesors as the AM2's phases them out or will they go higher as availability becomes less. Thanks for any suggestions.


Higher as availability diminishes. They X2 3800+ 939 has already started to go up.
October 16, 2006 4:02:55 PM

Not just go up, it's been removed from some suppliers' sites.
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October 16, 2006 4:11:00 PM

Word, thanks guys..Now to part with some money :?
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October 16, 2006 4:16:45 PM

You may well have missed the boat as far as the 939's go and only have AM2 as an option to C2D, and it's not really an option in my book, sorry mate.
October 16, 2006 4:31:24 PM

Prices on the s939 aren't too bad yet. It's the DDR ram that is rapidly going up in price.
October 16, 2006 5:28:05 PM

Yes. The whole DDR2 thing is bad right now, and you don't want to go there - so a Socket939 upgrade is great. Get right on it.
The finest CPU you could ever buy is Athlon 64 x2 4800+ (2x1MB, 2.4GHz).
(The FX-60 does not count, it is more $$ than a car.)
The 4600+ is okay I guess - same speed, smaller cache.
But that 2x1MB-cache model is becoming truly scarce. The price equals E6600!
So I would look for an x2 4600+ (2x512KB, 2.4GHz). The price equals E6400.
The x2 3800+ for AM2 is selling at low prices, and seems to be a bit of a loss-leader for AMD. Very affordable.
Unfortunately, the x2 3800+ for Socket939 is more expensive - the price equals E6300. This situation will only get worse...
Socket939 CPUs will dry up quite quickly, so do it right away!
Regards
October 16, 2006 6:00:06 PM

Yeah, I do belive that i am gonna go with the 4400 X2. Hawkeye, correct me if I am wrong isn't it the DDR2 prices that has everyone in a stir, not DDR
October 16, 2006 6:06:42 PM

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First and foremost I know C2D is the way to go. So please no advice towards that direction. I'm not looking to change my whole system, but I would like to go to a dual-core proccesor. My question is will the prices go any lower for X2 939 proccesors as the AM2's phases them out or will they go higher as availability becomes less. Thanks for any suggestions.



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[Higher as availability diminishes. They X2 3800+ 939 has already started to go up.


Yup. Socket A XP3200 went from $119 in Oct 2005 to $175 Dec 2005. It has recently dropped back into the $140s. Certain socket A mobos have gone from $90ish to over $180 as the channel emptied. Prices may eventually come down, for select items IF the retailer cant sell it and just wants to unload it, but overall what Elmo said is 100% accurate.
October 16, 2006 6:10:13 PM

4400+ is fine for those on budget... i went with that over the 4600 because of the bigger L2 cache... and you can always just OC that extra 200 mhz... so thats not big of a deal... just make sure to go with some good ram so you can run at 2.5-2-2-5 settings...

btw buy memory now.. as it is going up.. i remember corsair ddr400 being like 70 bucks for 1gb (2x512) and now its like 139.99 on newegg.. *cry*
October 16, 2006 6:18:48 PM

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Yeah, I do belive that i am gonna go with the 4400 X2. Hawkeye, correct me if I am wrong isn't it the DDR2 prices that has everyone in a stir, not DDR


Doh, me bad... I didn't notice I left the 2 off the end of the DDR. As DDR becomes scarce it will also go up in price.

p.s. This OCZ memory I paid $225 for is now $290.
October 16, 2006 6:19:08 PM

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4400+ is fine for those on budget... i went with that over the 4600 because of the bigger L2 cache... and you can always just OC that extra 200 mhz... so thats not big of a deal... just make sure to go with some good ram so you can run at 2.5-2-2-5 settings...


Ya hit the nail rite on the head. I have a 3200 which I have got running at 2.5ghz, so i think the 4400 X2 will do me right. Can't wait to be able to play bf2 and burn a DVD at the same time :o  ....damn single cores :evil: 
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October 16, 2006 6:25:06 PM

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4400+ is fine for those on budget... i went with that over the 4600 because of the bigger L2 cache... and you can always just OC that extra 200 mhz... so thats not big of a deal... just make sure to go with some good ram so you can run at 2.5-2-2-5 settings...


Ya hit the nail rite on the head. I have a 3200 which I have got running at 2.5, so i think the 4400 will do me right. Can't wait to be able to play bf2 and burn a DVD at the same time :o  ....damn single cores :evil: 

Make sure you have 2GB of RAM or more if you want to play BF2 and burn a DVD.
October 16, 2006 8:48:52 PM

Once again thanks for the help, guys.
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October 16, 2006 10:03:08 PM

Happy hunting my friend :) 


P.S A 3800x2 Sck 939 can be OC'd to a stable 2.7Ghz (woot) 8)
October 17, 2006 6:34:12 AM

I would suggest going for one of the Opterons, their prices have dropped and they are great OC'ers. I got mine up to 2.8 GHZ and prime95 stable for going on 16 hours now
October 17, 2006 6:36:39 AM

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I would suggest going for one of the Opterons, their prices have dropped and they are great OC'ers. I got mine up to 2.8 GHZ and prime95 stable for going on 16 hours now


If stock lasts :wink:
October 17, 2006 1:57:06 PM

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I would suggest going for one of the Opterons, their prices have dropped and they are great OC'ers. I got mine up to 2.8 GHZ and prime95 stable for going on 16 hours now


Alright, alright those oppties do look tasty.....Whats yall views on this....Opteron 165 vs. 4400 X2....the 165 I was considering was $179, but there is another for $299 and I can't see any difference so far.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/catego...
October 17, 2006 2:38:52 PM

This is funny. The cheaper one, for $179.99, is new, comes with a fan and has a 3 year warranty. The more expensive one, for $299.97, is an open box item without a fan and has a 1 year warranty 8O Seems like an easy choice to me :) 

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October 17, 2006 2:46:48 PM

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This is funny. The cheaper one, for $179.99, is new, comes with a fan and has a 3 year warranty. The more expensive one, for $299.97, is an open box item without a fan and has a 1 year warranty Seems like an easy choice to me


So your saying go for the Opty 165 over the 4400 X2, right?
October 17, 2006 2:56:12 PM

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This is funny. The cheaper one, for $179.99, is new, comes with a fan and has a 3 year warranty. The more expensive one, for $299.97, is an open box item without a fan and has a 1 year warranty Seems like an easy choice to me


So your saying go for the Opty 165 over the 4400 X2, right?

If it were me, I would do the Opty 165 and use the $55 saved for a good heatsink and O/C. I easily got my Opty 170 to 2.6 GHz, on a cheap motherboard.
October 17, 2006 3:58:24 PM

Oh yeah the Opty 170 would also be a option, found it within my budget at newegg.
October 17, 2006 4:01:34 PM

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Can't wait to be able to play bf2 and burn a DVD at the same time

Is that what you think? You are mistaken, LoL...
That is not the benefit multiple-core CPUs are intended to provide,
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October 17, 2006 4:10:01 PM

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Is that what you think? You are mistaken, LoL...
That is not the benefit multiple-core CPUs are intended to provide,
L8R


Well, since your so full of wisdom how about a reply to my Vs. question......Elborate on that last piece to if ya dont mind, im all ears.
October 17, 2006 4:43:49 PM

The Opteron 170 is 2.0GHz; 2 x 1MB cache; $440.
The A64 x2 4400 is 2.2GHz; 2 x 1MB cache; $280.
You would have to O/C the hell out of the Opty to equal the x2 4800+ @ 2.4GHz - but the 4800+ would still be $100 bucks less!
That's in Toronto (Canadian $$).
I can't get good deals on Opteron, they are not in stock, special order, soon to be discontinued...
But honestly, just get the fastest x2 you can afford - the 1MB cache versions are no big thrill. Testing has shown that 2 x 512KB @ 2.2GHz is faster than 2 x 1MB @ 2.0GHz. The cache is not critical to AMD performance in HyperTransport architecture and offers little benefit.
Personally I would grab x2 3800+ (good deals!) and just use it, maybe O/C a bit if you wish.
Hell, just leave your HT FSB @ 250MHz (3200 @ 2.5GHz) and pickup a second CPU core! The 3800+ is just what you have now, only doubled.
Regards
October 17, 2006 5:04:14 PM

You are correct so far about the X2 vs the Opteron. I've had my eye on a 170 for awhile, but the price hasn't moved. the X2 4400 is the best deal if u can still find it. The next option is the 4800+ which is still cheaper than the Opteron 170 and 400mhz faster at stock. Last few days they did announce a price drop on 10/30/06 for all 939 Opterons. So after the dust settles in Novemeber, will have to recheck the price on it.

As for the cache, it doesn't make to much of a difference in some appz but it games it does. The extra cache will equal a 200mhz difference in most games.
October 17, 2006 6:17:04 PM

How about answering the vs. question plz, RichPLS......Im mean hell im tryin to make up my mind here! :D 
October 17, 2006 6:21:56 PM

I am surprized AMD dropped them that low... and am fairly sure that they are at the bottom AMD will sell them, any lower they would be loosing even more money...
October 17, 2006 7:35:58 PM

I've seriously been trying to figure out if I should upgrade or not. I've got a 3700+ on the toledo core (says it's a san diego though) and I'd like to get a dual core. I haven't looked much at the opterons before but I am considering that now that the price is low. I'm having a lot of difficulting deciding if I should spend the money and what I should spend it on. My motherboard isn't that great for overclocking (it's not horrible though) abit kn8 ultra. I've got ocz pc3200 ram, I can get it to about 220mhz by upping the CL from 2 to 2.5. If I were to overclock a 170 opteron I'd certainly have to use a divider. Might be worth it if I can get it to 240x10 and then use a 183 memory divider bringing the ram to 218.
October 17, 2006 7:45:18 PM

Well I just bought the Opty 170....Hope it is a good un :lol: 
October 17, 2006 8:21:53 PM

I would go for the Opteron 180 ($299) if I needed to replace mine...
Then with minimal overclocking, you should easily be able to run at performance levels greater than an FX-60 and using a 200 divider.
October 17, 2006 9:16:53 PM

Possibly, trying to decide if the 180 is worth the extra over a 170 or even a 175. I also need a new heatsync, I was hoping for a tuniq tower but I might just settle with a scythe infinity.
October 18, 2006 12:59:02 AM

Hell, Dave look at some of the reviews for the 165 at newegg. Pretty damn impressive and cheap as hell. It will leave u witht some extra clams to get all that other shiznit u been wanting. :wink:
October 18, 2006 1:44:11 AM

I have noticed the 3800x2 has risen a tad since i bought mine last month, i agree they are a good buy though since DDR2 is SLOWER
October 18, 2006 2:58:36 AM

Yea I know the 165 is a good deal, and it's certainly be easier on my wallet. Unforetunately I don't know if the board I have can push it up as high as I would want. I've heard of people reaching 2.8-2.9ghz with it stable. I managed to get my current processor to 280 by underclocking everything else, but you'd want to at least get it to 300x9 to make it worth it. I guess I could maybe get the 170. Also I might mention newegg has the 165 out of stock and who knows when they'd get more.
October 18, 2006 3:56:55 AM

I feel the same way. i also have a 3700 and i feel like i should get a dual core right now while the prices are so low but i cant decide on whether to go for the 170 or the 4400.
October 18, 2006 4:51:21 AM

I just bought a 165 off newegg. It's a CCBBE, the best stepping. I'm running it now 300x9 on stock voltage. Temps are running in the mid fifties F@H on both cores.
October 18, 2006 1:53:29 PM

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I just bought a 165 off newegg. It's a CCBBE, the best stepping. I'm running it now 300x9 on stock voltage. Temps are running in the mid fifties F@H on both cores.


Hey Dave, looks like he got the last one. The 165 seems to be taken of the site.
October 18, 2006 2:49:55 PM

Here is a great deal. Newegg has AMD X2 4600+ for $233 including shipping.

Default speed = 12x200 = 2400 (it does 2600mhz on default voltage)

With some good cooling it overclocks really well.

I have mine at 1.5v, 12x234 = 2808Mhz. (That is FX62 speed)

1.6v made it go as fast as 12*245 = 2940.
October 18, 2006 6:11:38 PM

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Well I just bought the Opty 170....Hope it is a good un

That's great! It will be good.
Hey I just checked back at my distributor and these CPUs have gone on sale, $200 off (since yesterday!)
Now: sale price $239.99 (CDN)
That is only ~$215. USD, helluva deal...

Yikes! How about this:
AMD® Opteron™ Dual Core 180 (Socket 939) [CDBOX] E6 Revision
Reg. $795. - Savings of $420. - Now $374.99!

So they are whoring these out, on serious sale :^)
The price-cuts clearly hit the USA earlier that the Great White North... LoL
Good deals on Opterons, life is good.
L8R
October 18, 2006 6:43:28 PM

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Here is a great deal. Newegg has AMD X2 4600+ for $233 including shipping.

Default speed = 12x200 = 2400 (it does 2600mhz on default voltage)

With some good cooling it overclocks really well.

I have mine at 1.5v, 12x234 = 2808Mhz. (That is FX62 speed)

1.6v made it go as fast as 12*245 = 2940.


They also have the Opteron 175 (2200MHz) for about the same price...
October 18, 2006 8:39:52 PM

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So they are whoring these out, on serious sale :^)


Lol, yeah glad I got that hoe while she was hot cuz it looks like they might be gone for good soon. :D 
October 18, 2006 10:19:27 PM

NewEgg has an Opteron 180 for $299
October 18, 2006 10:23:12 PM

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NewEgg has an Opteron 180 for $299

Maybe you should just post the link to the Newegg Opteron page. :wink:
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