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October 16, 2006 5:38:06 PM

If you have read msg 130 of the thread linked below you will have seen a post in which I incorrectly interpreted AMD roadmap information from the Dutch site Tweakers.net

To correct that error, according to roadmap at Tweakers.net, there will not be 4x4 systems in AM2 nor bundled 4x4 CPUs of the AM2 X26000/ X25600/X25400 and there will, at release, be only 3 4x4 bundles (FX74/72/70) not 6

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Intel-AMD-wow-D...

…and the link to the Tweakers article which I interpreted wrongly:

http://tweakers.net/nieuws/44504/AMD-4x4-platform-gebas...


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Well Baron,

You are right. I am wrong.

The tweakers roadmap/article did not state there would be 6 4x4chips only 3.

I misinterpreted the article. The X2 6000, 5600 and 5400 are not going to be AM2 socketed 4x4s, instead AMD is doing away with the FX moniker for AM2 sockets and the X26000/5600/5400 will be the AM2 equivalent of the 1207 FX74/72/70, not a cheaper AM2 4x4

It does not matter how I misinterpreted the information, only that I did, and that I was wrong, and that I accept responsibility for that error
October 16, 2006 7:04:03 PM

BaronBS-Nostradamus predicted right! You are spreading FUD, dude! :lol: 
October 16, 2006 7:58:57 PM

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If you have read msg 130 of the thread linked below you will have seen a post in which I incorrectly interpreted AMD roadmap information from the Dutch site Tweakers.net

To correct that error, according to roadmap at Tweakers.net, there will not be 4x4 systems in AM2 nor bundled 4x4 CPUs of the AM2 X26000/ X25600/X25400 and there will, at release, be only 3 4x4 bundles (FX74/72/70) not 6

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Intel-AMD-wow-D...

…and the link to the Tweakers article which I interpreted wrongly:

http://tweakers.net/nieuws/44504/AMD-4x4-platform-gebas...


Well Baron,

You are right. I am wrong.

The tweakers roadmap/article did not state there would be 6 4x4chips only 3.

I misinterpreted the article. The X2 6000, 5600 and 5400 are not going to be AM2 socketed 4x4s, instead AMD is doing away with the FX moniker for AM2 sockets and the X26000/5600/5400 will be the AM2 equivalent of the 1207 FX74/72/70, not a cheaper AM2 4x4

It does not matter how I misinterpreted the information, only that I did, and that I was wrong, and that I accept responsibility for that error



Well, since you posted this I won't bother you about it. When you read link after link and review after review they start to blur together don't they?
October 16, 2006 10:06:51 PM

Well done for not ripping him - would have been easy.
October 16, 2006 10:37:24 PM

Well done Turpit...

Nice to see someone step up and be a man(or woman?), when right OR wrong...

Kudos also, for not using a buried reference and starting a new thread.. We need more forum members like yourself..

Was that enough kissing up :) ?

Seriously way to step forward....
October 16, 2006 10:39:38 PM

I am affraid that only three FX bundles may put 4x4 at even further of a disadvantage (price wise).

Will be interesting to see what the offereings for those bundles will be...
October 16, 2006 10:46:41 PM

Well done to you and Turpit both for doing the right thing. Now if this could happen more.....
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October 16, 2006 10:47:45 PM

8) Nicely done dude, you are a shining beacon of light for others to follow.
October 16, 2006 10:59:09 PM

My only question, will this be good for my AMD stock?
October 16, 2006 11:04:53 PM

You are the god of happy THG gnomes frolicing in a happy meadow where people live in harmony and never fight and are always sorry to each other for not being happier than the happiest of all gnomes.... Baron Gnome





WTF did i just type. I really have no idea. Just tried to make the gayest happy crap i could. It seemed to work. :lol: 
October 16, 2006 11:06:29 PM

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My only question, will this be good for my AMD stock?

We are in a time for reflection and togetherness and you have your mind on earthly pursuits and the fleeting pleasures of materialism? How dare you? :wink:
Technological gains don't always translate into stock market gains. The guys in the SE's are finicky to say the least. The weather has more of an impact than the release or the prices of 4x4
October 16, 2006 11:09:15 PM

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im gonna throw up dewd.wtf was that? 8O 8O 8O too many psychadelics in your coffee this morning?

He's too young for coffee. Maybe in his forumla? :lol:  :wink: :lol: 
October 16, 2006 11:19:14 PM

I'm still a teenager and I'm an evil bastard...
Back on topic though, I'm not sure but I believe it takes longer for Intel good news to positively affect its stock rating and performance when compared to that of AMD.
When AMD announced news of its ATI merger, there stock immediately started to jump.
IDF didn't have the same effect for Intel. It took a few weeks if I can remember to see an improvement in Intel's stock after they started using Core 2's in the new Macs.
No one quote me on this cause this is what I can remember from listening to Market Place...
October 16, 2006 11:24:39 PM

Da,

You will find that even rumors of a merger between two companies can affect the price almost immediately (alot of time for the positive)...

Their were five potential courters for the company MCI "British Telecom, Bell South, Sprint, Qwest and finally Verizon"... Upon the rumor of even "possible talks of a possible merger" each of the associated players received a modest increase the day of the exposure...

The stock market is a fickle environment in which FEW can predict the prevailing winds.
October 16, 2006 11:30:22 PM

Hello Ches,
I understand. Even analyst's have a hard if not impossible job predicting patterns and stuff.
The stock market isn't my forte by a long shot anyways. I'll stick with electronics.
October 16, 2006 11:33:02 PM

Hey Baron,

Have you compiled a list yet of potential MB vendors that will support the 4x4?

Just curious to see who is already stepping up and who is waiting in the wings...

Initial pricing would be nice to know as well..

Given current FX pricing with the FX-60 running at $550.00 (best price found) for a single the FX-7X packages would "I think" have to come in at a price of $450.00 USD or lower per CPU to be considered.

Will be interseting to see how it shakes out...
October 16, 2006 11:33:09 PM

Thank you all for the kind responses. You could have easy (and rightly) flamed me considering my responses to people who make those kind of mistakes, but you didnt.


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I'm not sure but I believe it takes longer for Intel good news to positively affect its stock rating and performance when compared to that of AMD.
When AMD announced news of its ATI merger, there stock immediately started to jump.
IDF didn't have the same effect for Intel. It took a few weeks if I can remember to see an improvement in Intel's stock after they started using Core 2's in the new Macs.
No one quote me on this cause this is what I can remember from listening to Market Place...


I noticed that with Conroe. Of course, with the stock market, there could be any 1 of a 1000 reasons for that, or no reason whatsover.

One potential reason "candidate": maybe the market was in "wait and see" mode after years of hearing Intels overly positive PR regarding heatburst, while AMD sat in the backround quietly working away and producing results. Just one of the thousands of possiblites.
October 16, 2006 11:38:54 PM

I think you will find that another part of the Intel packaging is its marketing machine... The Conroe or C2D was greeted with a modest response (initially) in all forms of media with the exception of the Internet. The ads came afterwards and their new name recognition engine follows...

I think Intel has made a mistake in making the C2D seem like a modest release. In using a similar naming convention (Core anything) they keep the market somewhat happy. But, I think it under sells the capabilities of the current processor to those WS folks.
October 16, 2006 11:55:12 PM

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Hey Baron,

Have you compiled a list yet of potential MB vendors that will support the 4x4?

Just curious to see who is already stepping up and who is waiting in the wings...

Initial pricing would be nice to know as well..

Given current FX pricing with the FX-60 running at $550.00 (best price found) for a single the FX-7X packages would "I think" have to come in at a price of $450.00 USD or lower per CPU to be considered.

Will be interseting to see how it shakes out...



Well, I know Asus will be a launch partner. I would expect that MSI and Abit would try to get some boards out for it. The big thing is going to be that these are not mainstream machines, so there will be a higher margin for systems only at first, I would think. By Jan we should see DIY mobos and twin retail packages, maybe Feb.

I'll keep an eye out but with a mid-November launch (according to AMD Digital Life reps), we should at least hear announcements from the big three.

I just don't want to have to buy an Aurora M7500 (read:$3000+) to get this for XMas. I mean I think I would consider buying Dell if they do put this in XPS or Precision at $2000 for a mid-high end GPU and 4GB RAM. I don't even really need RAID though SATA RAID is cheap and onboard so I could see a 2HDD stripe and an extra drive (not RAID 5).
October 16, 2006 11:56:16 PM

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My only question, will this be good for my AMD stock?

We are in a time for reflection and togetherness and you have your mind on earthly pursuits and the fleeting pleasures of materialism? How dare you? :wink:
Technological gains don't always translate into stock market gains. The guys in the SE's are finicky to say the least. The weather has more of an impact than the release or the prices of 4x4

I apoligize to you that my attempt at levity hit a sour note. For sure, Turpit has handled himself with dignity and offered a well noted apoligy that was graceful. Baron likewise accepted the apology in good manner.

I believe I shall retire for a time, therefore, to playing a game on my Intel powered computer while my mind readjusts itself.
October 16, 2006 11:56:34 PM

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I think you will find that another part of the Intel packaging is its marketing machine... The Conroe or C2D was greeted with a modest response (initially) in all forms of media with the exception of the Internet. The ads came afterwards and their new name recognition engine follows...

I think Intel has made a mistake in making the C2D seem like a modest release. In using a similar naming convention (Core anything) they keep the market somewhat happy. But, I think it under sells the capabilities of the current processor to those WS folks.


Yup. I remember seeing some controversy over using "core" instead of a new and unrelated name. I agree with you that the Core name undersells (by relation) the Conroe core.

The stock market reaction since July might also be usable by someone to argue the level of influence the enthusiast segment holds over the rest of the market
October 16, 2006 11:58:45 PM

No no my friend you misunderstand me, I meant it only in jest... or are you being sarcastic? Damn this medium and its lack of emotional clarity.
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October 16, 2006 11:58:48 PM

Or is Intel underselling C2D so that when they deliver their Quad core 'knockout' blow the standard punter will be more inclined to believe the (maybe well deserved) hype that will no doubt accompany it
October 17, 2006 12:08:47 AM

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My only question, will this be good for my AMD stock?

what kind of stock player are you?amd will most likely post better numbers around the holidays.
what price point did you enter at?if you entered at the wrong time its a loosing proposition,but if you entered at 16.80 .

I own a number of stocks, varying from ones that pay good, steady dividends to an occasional gamble. I rarely loose, though I sometimes have to hold through a low spot. I am hoping that AMD will do well during the holidays, and have a hope that the 4x4 chip will sell sufficiently to bring up the stock. I entered at a good price, so that if it goes up only a few more dollars, I'll sell with a substantial gain. I made some trades last week for an income of about $28,000, so it manages to support my lifestyle. Hopefull I'll do as well again within the next few weeks.

Now if I could only get my ex-wife to go away and stop bugging me for more money.
October 17, 2006 12:14:39 AM

The Blue Man PIII and PIV commercials and the Homer Simpson PII commercials really appealed to me and many of my friends. That's what Intel should do again.
The only thing that I like about the new Core 2 commercial is the music. Good Brazilian lounge music. 8)
October 17, 2006 12:26:15 AM

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :p  :lol: 
I still like the blue man commercials so there. :p 

Wow this thread has really strayed from it orginal topic. But for the better...
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October 17, 2006 12:26:36 AM

That would work on me, happy feet all round I'd reckon :lol: 
October 17, 2006 12:28:38 AM

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No no my friend you misunderstand me, I meant it only in jest... or are you being sarcastic? Damn this medium and its lack of emotional clarity.


Who me, one who would jest with a jestor? Now where would you get that idea? True enough, the written word does have its lacking, but we try to muddle through none the less.
October 17, 2006 12:32:59 AM

Ahh, I see we have a man that dares fool with a fool. Trying to play the act well I presume? :wink:
October 17, 2006 12:47:52 AM

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i firmly believe that the enthusiast market drives the consumer and tech server markets,as your IT's are enthusiasts and have to make the best choice for th performance dollar.
and the gamer segment fuels consumer excitement,there is a large portion who just buy what they need and cheap it at that.and thos are swayed mostly by marketing,it may be safe to assume that crowd is mostly intel.


Ive believed (with no proof to back it up) that enthusiasts and "word of mouth" brought AMD much of its advertising. In the "Pre-Conroe" era, anytime I recommended new system components or built a new system for someone, it was AMD. I have little doubt that this in turn caused further exposure to AMD through the "ripple" effect. On the other hand, enthusiasts are a small segment of the market.

I think a lot of people in all segments, enthusiate included, were in the "show me the money" mode with Core 2. In the case of the enthusiast though, especially in those last two weeks, there was a lot more exposure. How enthusiast purchasing influenced the stock market, I wouldnt even try to think about due to the thin channel during that first month. How many more C2Ds could Intel have sold if they had kept the channel full? I think thats the number we really needed to see to make an accurate asessment of enthusiast influence on the market. As it was, many enthusiasts were frustrated with availability as demonstrated by the whole "Paper launch" debate debacle. That one was a lot of fun for several weeks. I think that plus the fact that Conroe was a new Uarch, not just another frequency increase, left a lot of people waiting to see what was going to happen, nulling reactions to some extent.

Im still of the opinion that C2D was a poorly handled launch, the initial results of which I think are ambiguous in relation to the stock market. Which is why I say someone could use the post Intel core 2 market performance as an argument against the enthusiatic segments influence. Not that it would be an accurate or realistic assesment: just that it could be ammunition for someone with a specific perspective or agenda. :wink:
October 17, 2006 1:03:03 AM

"I think" that Intel now with the marketing push (like it or not ;) ) will start to see an increase. The problem being once again the consumer even understanding what a Centrino is or a Core 2 Duo vs. Core Solo....

Right now Intel has BRAND recognition and "I believe" NOT product recognition in the mainstream... Everyone (mainstream consumers) knew what Intel Inside meant (Brand Reco) and they knew what a Pentium was (for the most part)(Product Reco).

Starting with the mobile release of the Centrino/Pentium M scenario people were not well versed in what they actually were (Pentium part was reco'd but the M is what again?).

I think they are making a consumer mistake again... By not differentiating the current desktop/mobile products. (just me).. Desktops have always been seen as the powerful model while the notebook was the strictly mobility leader. Granted that gap has closed "some" with the use of the C2D in some well known notebooks.

Heck even Intels donks were well known and that has even changed as Da has mentioned.
October 17, 2006 1:08:29 AM

Baron,

Not trying to be a jerk or antyhing since this thread is going well for all...

Do you have any links to MB support for 4x4 other than speculation? C2D only had a small number of guaranteed supporters that were listed at release. So I was wondering if this will be the same...

We were able to get some links together (pre-release) from reliable sources and vendors themselves for the C2D and even some projected pricing...

Maybe you should start the 4x4 MB support thread... If done well and without bias I would be more than happy to help with it if I could. This should be some good info to track.

Should probably get some early perfomance numbers too if available (if we can start to see some trendable info then we can draw similar conclusions as we did with C2D).

Just a thought..
October 17, 2006 1:19:28 AM

Oh yeah. I agree, and I group Intels marketing errors into the "poorly" part of poorly executed launch.

Long term, I dont think the way they handled the launch, good, bad or otherwise is going to hurt them. Maybe just cost them a few bucks they could have nabbed early on, but nothing signifcant.

Consumer confusion on the other hand, well thats a different matter. "uh, so what do I want? Centrino, Conroe, Core 2 Duo, Core Duo, Kentsfield, Celeron, Pentium, PentiumD? What do the numbers D830, D920 EE965 E6600, T4700 Qx6700 mean ? Can I upgrade that"
Man, talk about new and more creative ways to confuse things. Im tempted to walk into a bestbuy or CC and start asking questions just for the comedic value of watching a sales rep "steppin and fetchin" :D 
" Here ya go guy, let me pick your tongue up for you, we wouldnt want you tripping over that." :wink:
October 17, 2006 1:39:32 AM

That would be funny...

I bet the video for BB would be very funny... CC might do a little bit better but I still could see a lot of comediac value in it ;) 
October 17, 2006 2:27:36 AM

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If you have read msg 130 of the thread linked below you will have seen a post in which I incorrectly interpreted AMD roadmap information from the Dutch site Tweakers.net

To correct that error, according to roadmap at Tweakers.net, there will not be 4x4 systems in AM2 nor bundled 4x4 CPUs of the AM2 X26000/ X25600/X25400 and there will, at release, be only 3 4x4 bundles (FX74/72/70) not 6

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Intel-AMD-wow-D...

…and the link to the Tweakers article which I interpreted wrongly:

http://tweakers.net/nieuws/44504/AMD-4x4-platform-gebas...


Well Baron,

You are right. I am wrong.

The tweakers roadmap/article did not state there would be 6 4x4chips only 3.

I misinterpreted the article. The X2 6000, 5600 and 5400 are not going to be AM2 socketed 4x4s, instead AMD is doing away with the FX moniker for AM2 sockets and the X26000/5600/5400 will be the AM2 equivalent of the 1207 FX74/72/70, not a cheaper AM2 4x4

It does not matter how I misinterpreted the information, only that I did, and that I was wrong, and that I accept responsibility for that error
Now we know of two people in this forum capable of admitting to a mistake. :) 
October 17, 2006 2:31:02 AM

If you don't mind me asking, who is the second?
October 17, 2006 2:32:14 AM

Surprisingly... Parrot
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