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October 16, 2006 7:32:31 PM

I'm thinking of buying a midrange videocard with an absolute maximum budget of $130 (excluding s&h). So far I've narrowed it down to the X850XT and the 7600GT (not that there were many choices). I'm going to be gaming initially at 1024x768, then later at 1280x1024 (when I get a new monitor). I've heard that the 256-bit bus of the X850XT gives it an advantage in AA and AF, but I don't know how distinct that advantage will be at these resolutions. As far as the benchmarks go, the X850XT appears to be slightly faster, but the 7600GT has SM3.0 support. I'm leaning towards the 7600GT, but I want advice before I actually buy it.

So what do you guys think?

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October 16, 2006 7:36:55 PM

They both trade blows in benchies, and you'd probably be happy with either one, but I'd go for the 7600GT because it supports sm 3.0, and OpenEXR HDR.
October 16, 2006 8:01:21 PM

I have a X850xt, it overclocks very well and gives great performance for the price. Later on you can get a new card that has support for the new shaders and such, but let it be a DX10 card. No sense wasting money till then when the x850xt will give you good performance. I can overclock mine to 578/1228 from 520/1080 not bad for a card that is now 120 bucks.
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October 16, 2006 8:05:14 PM

The 7600GT is the same price, so money isn't a convincing factor between these cards.
October 16, 2006 8:23:37 PM

Seems like you already have your mind made up. Buy what you want. I just gave you my thoughts. Either way I do not care which one you buy.
October 16, 2006 8:37:20 PM

I would go x850xt. The 7600gt is kinda to weak to even use the sm3.0. And ya the x850 overclocks well. It can be flashed to the x850 PE like mine was. And then Oc"ed to like 610 mhz core and 1250 mem.

Edit: I would also like to add that the x850 series blows the air out the back of the case instead of like nvida 7600 coolers that just blow the air around inside of the case. With the x850 you should have cooler case temps.
October 16, 2006 9:26:07 PM

I own an x850xt and it overclocks quite well. I have had it clocked quite a bit higher than the x850xt pe card and it ran without artifacts and under somewhat reasonable temps. I generally run it at the pe gpu speed and slightly higher ram speed. ATI cards are also ridiculously easy to overclock, if you do that sort of thing.

I am going to be building one of my friends a PC in the near future and am stuck between these 2 cards as well. I am kind of leaning towards the 7600, depending on how well it can overclock. The 7600 is cheaper where I am and that is probably the deciding factor for me.
a b U Graphics card
October 16, 2006 9:33:34 PM

I personally would go with the GF7600GT.

The X850XT is a nice card, but for the features benifit I'd go with the GF7600GT. Both will be close performers either way.
October 16, 2006 10:01:06 PM

7600GT.
October 16, 2006 10:22:35 PM

Hmmm.. overclocking seems interesting. I might go for the X850XT if it can overclock decently without any special cooling. Anyone know the overclocking capabilities of the 7600GT?
October 16, 2006 11:54:31 PM

I have an EVGA 7600GT (standard), the default cooler on it was horrible (louder than anything else in my case), so I swapped it out for a Zalman vf700 alcu. I haven't tried OC'ing with my stock cooler, but with the zalman I'm running it at 610 core 820 mem (1640 effective).
I believe the stock speeds for a 7600gt are 560/700(1400).

I used FEAR and CoH to measure the performance difference between the two speeds, I game at 1280*1024 (lcd native res).
Basically the average fps increases by a proportional amount, that is roughly 10% in both cases, although the minumum fps only increased by a frame or so ... which is understandable since those are times when the GPU is really overloaded.

Hope this helps you make a decision,

Cheers.

p.s. One thing I should mention is that the stock cooler did not cover the ram chips at all, whereas the zalman includes heatsinks for the ram - the fan ventilates those as well (its a flower-type heatsink, with fins extending outwards, so the air passes through the main heatsink and then through the surrounding ram heatsinks).
If you try to overclock the memory using stock cooler, you might get artifacts/crashes at lower speeds, since the rams literally have no heatsinks.
However, assuming the design was timed for 560core-1400memory operation from the start, I have to say that I'm not sure that overclocking the memory a lot more than the core speed will give really significant results. I'm a recent comp eng grad, and I can tell you that these chips are already likely operating at the edge of their specification (that is, in a read or write cycle, no wait states are introduced - data is already read/writted as fast as the ram allows for it). In my opinion, only a proportional increase in speeds will yield the best results. It's a different situation than your <CPU - system RAM>, since in that case you have the northbridge that serves as an interface between the two components and provides bus arbitration for the fsb, plus the RAM is almost always the bottlenecking component in a modern computer (unable to read data as fast as the cpu can request it).

Then again, I'm sure people will disagree with my reasoning. Crap, I really should not go off-topic like that all the time ...

Anyway, gl with your choices.
October 17, 2006 3:11:32 AM

I'd go for the X850XT, and if you need dual monitors, the X850XT PE is a good choice. But, if you want something cheaper but still capable, get a X800GTO. I myself am getting an X850XT PE for my budget computer.
October 17, 2006 3:57:56 AM

Don't get the x850PE!!! It cost like 70$ more. If you want to have one all you have to do is buy a regular x850xt then download the x850PE bios from somewhere, flash them, and then you get a x850PE for 70$ less. I did it, it was fast and easy.
October 17, 2006 4:18:51 AM

Yea, I dont get it either. But wait a second ... it's possible that they were looking at these :

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&m...

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&m...

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&m...

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&m...

I cant say I see an overwhelming domination from either card ...
It all comes down to which one you can get for cheaper, I guess.
But like I said earlier, the stock cooler on the 7600gt (i have one) sounds like your PC is a launch pad.

If, back when I was choosing, someone told me that the x850xt cooler was better, I'd have gone with the ati card.
October 17, 2006 5:12:36 AM

Quote:
Don't get the x850PE!!! It cost like 70$ more. If you want to have one all you have to do is buy a regular x850xt then download the x850PE bios from somewhere, flash them, and then you get a x850PE for 70$ less. I did it, it was fast and easy.


Actually no, I can get a Sapphire X850XT PE for $130 on newegg (currently out of stock). That's only $10 more than a Sapphire X850XT and the same price as an eVGA 7600GT.

That said, I think I'll probably go with the X850XT PE since I didn't know it was this cheap. Its faster than the 7600GT, and between a 256bit bus and SM3 support, I'll take the faster bus.

Of course, my decision isn't final and I'm still open to suggestions.
a b U Graphics card
October 17, 2006 5:51:20 AM

I saw somewhere that the 7600gt OC pretty badly, Ill post the link if I find the page.
October 17, 2006 5:59:25 AM

X850XT

I have an X800XT. ATI has faster anti-aliasing and AF than nvidia and in this case it has an even more advantage.
Temporal anti-aliasing you turn 2x and get 4x for free.

You wont run HDR anyway cos it will cut your frames in half.

By ocing I got 10% more from GPU and 15% from memory (about X850XT PE speed). You could probably get the same results from 7600gt ocing. I dont know where its limits are.

When you finaly decide and get one of these cards be sure to stick something like this on it

http://img325.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x800xtxy7.jpg
a b U Graphics card
October 17, 2006 6:11:42 AM

And a support bracket if you want your card to remain somewhat flat :lol: 
October 17, 2006 6:47:37 AM

I would go with the 7600gt .... in fact .... I got one :)  and it overclocks pretty good I can run at 625 core 830 mem .... but I second redwing with the zalman option for the cooler with it you can get that kind of overclock but not with the standard cooler, wich is also too noisy.
October 17, 2006 7:56:59 AM

Have you thought about the 7900GS ?
a b U Graphics card
October 17, 2006 8:05:28 AM

I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but the 7600gt won't require any extra power and will run quieter than the x850. I'm not sure if your stressing out your PSU or not already. This might make a difference for you or it may not.
October 17, 2006 9:51:17 AM

You asked a simple question, the 'grape ape' gave you a simple answer. I'd go with that.
October 17, 2006 10:52:47 AM

definitely with the X850XTPE, brilliant card, and since your running at 1024x768 at the moment the 850s brute force will get you brilliant framerates, even though the 7600GT has the latest shader model support etc (its only used in a handful of games).

In regard to power, I am running one fine, with 2 hard drives, 2 optical drives and a generic 350 watt PSU, and sounds nice and quiet!

The x850xtpe nearly always beats the 7600gt in the vga card, and gets right up there in the face of the 7800gs in some cases!
October 17, 2006 10:59:23 AM

Huh? Are you talking to me?
October 17, 2006 11:40:14 AM

Quote:
I'm thinking of buying a midrange videocard with an absolute maximum budget of $130 (excluding s&h). So far I've narrowed it down to the X850XT and the 7600GT (not that there were many choices). I'm going to be gaming initially at 1024x768, then later at 1280x1024 (when I get a new monitor). I've heard that the 256-bit bus of the X850XT gives it an advantage in AA and AF, but I don't know how distinct that advantage will be at these resolutions. As far as the benchmarks go, the X850XT appears to be slightly faster, but the 7600GT has SM3.0 support. I'm leaning towards the 7600GT, but I want advice before I actually buy it.

So what do you guys think?


i have used both of them....i say go for the x850xt expecially now when dx10 is arround the corner.....

why?...because i had the chance to test all the x850 and 7600 family and reached the conclusion ...x850xt is much faster than 7600gt expecially in new games ....

also ati offers you much better image quality (AA and AF)

i have played many games with x850xt AA and AF turned on (4x, 16x)...and those games where less playable with 7600gt even without AA..

i guess what makes the difference between them is the terrible high bandwith for the ati card.....and one more thing ..x850xt was build as a top of the line high end card with resources for future games and 7600gt was build as a middle card in the same class as the x1600 was ...
October 17, 2006 12:03:43 PM

lol my x850xt is at 600/1200 from 520/1080, and im still using the stock heatsink and fan, i must admit, it is a little loud when i turn up the fan to 100% but then again i really dont notice it while playing games
a b U Graphics card
October 18, 2006 5:29:42 AM

No hes probably just clicking the bottom reply button, which happened to be yours. I do the same thing, so dont always go by who the person "replies" to, go by what they say to decide who they are talking to.

EDIT: SEALboy any updates?
October 18, 2006 6:15:21 AM

I think I'll hold off for now... I'll wait until december, and by then hopefully the card prices will drop enough that I can lay my hands on an X1800GTO or maybe even a X1900GT (God, I hope so.)

In any case, I heard the X1650XT is about to come out... I'll have to see how that card holds up against the X850 and 7600GT.
October 18, 2006 12:22:58 PM

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I think I'll hold off for now... I'll wait until december, and by then hopefully the card prices will drop enough that I can lay my hands on an X1800GTO or maybe even a X1900GT (God, I hope so.)

In any case, I heard the X1650XT is about to come out... I'll have to see how that card holds up against the X850 and 7600GT.


if you are decided to wait ..don`t buy either of them unless sameone offers you a free x1900xtxxxxxx....
in few weeks dx10 cards will be here....
October 18, 2006 2:33:53 PM

Just to add to the thread. I have an x850xt pe (got it for $110 from the egg) and I'll be the first to tell you, it is a rock solid card. I have it at 560/1200 right now. I can play FarCry (the most intense game I own) at 1280x1024 with 6x AA and 16x AF with an average of 60+ fps . . . I would think that with the wider memory bus, the x850 would simply out muscle the 7600 at higher res. Either way, both are great cards, I chose the 850, and I'm VERY Happy.

(P.S.- the x850xt pe does run a bit hot at stock fan speeds, and the cooler is quite loud when turned up, something to note. It does blow the air outta the back of the case, but my in case temps still rose quite bit with the addition of the card (CPU temps rose 5*C))
October 18, 2006 2:36:02 PM

Just for reference, it most bench marks, the 7600 and x850 can match both the x1800GTO and x1900GT in FPS, sometimes even tops them.... definately not worth it over the 2. At that point, it would be better to spring for the x1900xt 256 or the 7900GTO
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