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October 17, 2006 2:08:48 AM

Hey I was just wondering if there is any news of the mid range dx10 cards? The R600 and 8800gt sound cool but with a price of like 600$ it sucks. So what is the mid range cards gonna be like? The ones that are in the 250$ ranges.

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October 17, 2006 2:31:30 AM

X2600Pro and 8600 GT is a good assumption.

They will be out in the spring, until then there will only be the high-end cards.

But at least DX10 is coming to XP :D 
October 17, 2006 2:41:41 AM

Dx10 on xp!!! Awesome suck my -fill in the blank- vista!!! I didn't know that it was going to be on xp this is great it just made my day. Can anyone verify this?

So does anyone know any of the specs for the mid range cards or is it just to early?
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October 17, 2006 2:42:09 AM

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But at least DX10 is coming to XP :D 


It is?
Everything I've heard up till now stated that DX10 was only for Vista.
October 17, 2006 2:43:42 AM

DX 9.0L....cut down from DX10 extension. Sure, you look at the glass as half full, I'd take it. But I perfer to have the real thing :wink:
October 17, 2006 2:45:40 AM

SO what are some of the things that are going to be cut?
October 17, 2006 2:49:26 AM

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SO what are some of the things that are going to be cut?


Well, the DX10 for XP is going to be called DX9.0L, and the main difference is, that its going to use software to try and emulate what DX10 is supposed to be, meaning that the performance will be lower using DX9.0L than DX10. But if u have a high-end card u wont notice such a big hit in performance.

Needless to say, DX10 is better than DX9.0L, and in the most important thing too - performance.

As for features.. i think at least most will be there, its basicly a refurbished DX10.
October 17, 2006 2:53:33 AM

Yeah, I've heard about DX9L, but Track made it sound like we could expect the full DX10 version on XP which, if true, would be nice.
As much as I'd also prefer the real thing, I'm pretty sure I'll wait a while before I jump to Vista on my main rig even without full DX10 support .
I have RC1 and there's nothing that makes me want to use it exclusively yet.
October 17, 2006 2:54:36 AM

Bah, still going to upgrade to Vista even though XP has been the most reliable OS I have run.
October 17, 2006 3:33:32 AM

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Bah, still going to upgrade to Vista even though XP has been the most reliable OS I have run.


You havent used many other alternative OS's have you? :lol: 
October 17, 2006 4:26:24 AM

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Bah, still going to upgrade to Vista even though XP has been the most reliable OS I have run.


You havent used many other alternative OS's have you? :lol: 

I have used every version of Windows, except 2000 and XP is the one i like best.
October 17, 2006 4:27:51 AM

Key word was alternative there bud.........
October 17, 2006 5:05:34 AM

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Key word was alternative there bud.........


I meant to reply to danny. XP is the best of Windows, wich is the best of the OSes.
October 17, 2006 5:12:17 AM

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Key word was alternative there bud.........


I meant to reply to danny. XP is the best of Windows, wich is the best of the OSes.

And judging from your experience....you'd be suprised if you tried something else how (thanks didnt catch that) quickly the statement would change.
October 17, 2006 5:37:45 AM

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Key word was alternative there bud.........


I meant to reply to danny. XP is the best of Windows, wich is the best of the OSes.

And judging from your experience....you'd be suprised if you tried something else who quickly the statement would change.

I dont understand what u wrote...
October 17, 2006 9:05:51 AM

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And judging from your experience....you'd be suprised if you tried something else who quickly the statement would change.


I dont understand what u wrote...

Just replace "who" with ""how" and the statement will make sence. Typo? :D 

He means Linux or BSD
October 17, 2006 10:09:43 AM

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Well, the DX10 for XP is going to be called DX9.0L, and the main difference is, that its going to use software to try and emulate what DX10 is supposed to be, meaning that the performance will be lower using DX9.0L than DX10. But if u have a high-end card u wont notice such a big hit in performance.



Guys Sorry to say that DirectX 9.0L works on Vista only. DX9L is used in vista to emulate DX9 Games.

See this Link
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35140
October 17, 2006 10:50:55 AM

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Track wrote:
Raven_87 wrote:
Key word was alternative there bud.........


I meant to reply to danny. XP is the best of Windows, wich is the best of the OSes.


And judging from your experience....you'd be suprised if you tried something else who quickly the statement would change.


Gentoo? The emulators work great for OS X and XP!
October 17, 2006 12:03:22 PM

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Bah, still going to upgrade to Vista even though XP has been the most reliable OS I have run.


You havent used many other alternative OS's have you? :lol: 
Win 3.1 and up, some Distros of Linux, and reluctantly MAC OS at school
October 17, 2006 12:38:42 PM

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Well, the DX10 for XP is going to be called DX9.0L, and the main difference is, that its going to use software to try and emulate what DX10 is supposed to be, meaning that the performance will be lower using DX9.0L than DX10. But if u have a high-end card u wont notice such a big hit in performance.



Guys Sorry to say that DirectX 9.0L works on Vista only. DX9L is used in vista to emulate DX9 Games.

See this Link
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35140

Come on... you can't use The Inquirer as a source. Can he get away with that?!?
October 17, 2006 12:56:25 PM

Either way, I doubt MS will give anything close to DX10 capabilites to XP, why would they. It would go against their buisness model, make them lose money, and create the headaches of developing it. It's a pipe dream, all it is.

And XP is still a damn stable operating system, I can show you multiple pictures of Linux and Mac crashes... just because people don't complain as much doesn't mean they aren't there.
October 17, 2006 1:04:03 PM

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You havent used many other alternative OS's have you? :lol: 


Windows is for work, Linux and Mac are for play, unless if you are running an actual serious server environment. Once there is an alternative OS that I can use exclusively from the GUI and not have to worry about ever using a command line again, I'll be there. Except for Mac - I supported a network of those for way too long and absolutely hated the machines for not allowing me to tweak files/perms to make them work. On Win2K and XP, I have not touched a Command Prompt in more than 5 years at home. Windows - it sucks, it just sucks less (for now - give Linux about 5 more years to grow).

Everything that I have seen says that DX-10 and DX-9L compatibles are only for Vista due to the change in the core. That is why most vid games appear to be talking about multiple win versions of their games in the next year.
October 17, 2006 1:40:07 PM

Forgive the ignorant question...

But specifically referring to Linux, isn't gaming a bit harder on Linux? Aren't the drivers a bit lacking when compared to Windows? And the titles themselves - are they typically released to Linux platforms as well?

I'm seriously asking - not bashing Linux at all. In fact, if there was a definitive "Yes, linux rox for gaming" it might make me switch, as I've been wanting to get back into the fray after a long vacation since the days of Q3 Arena... :) 
October 17, 2006 1:58:07 PM

I belive Nvidia and ATI are working much harder to make beter drivers for the linux OS, which in the end, improves games play and stability.


That being said, I have used and owned every OS Microsoft has made... and I have supported Mac OS... I also have used a few flavors of linux.
Since I know how to use windows XP, possible beter then most complainers, I find XP to be the most stable, and usefull OS at this time. Linux to a large degree is still a 'kit' OS, and no dignified OS should come with a single button mouse (fook off OSX 10.X).

That is besides the point,... and the main topic was answered on the first reply. Unless ATI and NVIDIA have changed their naming schemes (like they havent ever) the mid range cards will be the 2600 and the 8700.
October 17, 2006 2:26:20 PM

I don't have anything against the other OS's, but I just don't like it when people start bashing Windows for the sake of bashing Windows. Its great for what it does, gets the work done, and even if people likes it, on the whole, its a good OS.

Back to the topic at hand.. I wonder if ATI will setup the new DX10 chips like the did for their X1950Pro and improve it a bit. Then I might really consider Xfire.
October 17, 2006 3:09:55 PM

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You havent used many other alternative OS's have you? :lol: 


Windows - it sucks, it just sucks less (for now - give Linux about 5 more years to grow).

Everything that I have seen says that DX-10 and DX-9L compatibles are only for Vista due to the change in the core. That is why most vid games appear to be talking about multiple win versions of their games in the next year.

Supported Linux and used Linux...could not make myself adjust to it or like it. The ongoing motto for Linux and Linux users is, "Give it a few years and it'll be better / more compatible / it'll grow..." and on and on. That's what has been said for years.

Microsnot is just too big and integrated. For now, and in the foreseeable future, Linux is too manual and isn't compatible enough.
October 17, 2006 3:16:21 PM

If meaningless numbers define the product, and the higher the number defines the speed and quality... .why not make the new dx10 cards under a beter name such as:




Geforce dx10trillion (for high end)
Geforce dx10billion (for mid range)
Geforce dx10million (for entry level)

And new line of sucky sucky cards, like the geforce2mx200s.....

Geforce dx1800xt, dx1900xtx, and dx1950xt... all super budget 2d cards.

I can see it now.....
New Dell laptop with the moble Geforce dx10,000,000,000,000! Get yours today.

I would rather have a dx10,000,000,000,000, then a 2xxx series from ATI.
October 17, 2006 3:36:21 PM

Consumers would be confused far less, but think of all the extra digits they have to put on the packaging? The ink alone would cost in the THOUSANDS!!!!!

And then you have to scale down the font so it fits, not to mention you have to make some of the 0's stand out for emphasis...
October 17, 2006 4:44:04 PM

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Microsnot is just too big and integrated. For now, and in the foreseeable future, Linux is too manual and isn't compatible enough.


I agree. I believe Linux is in its Win31 days. If it can just get to the Win95 level of simple overall compatability without the headaches, I would be happy. More and more of the big corporations like IBM and HP are realizing this and trying to force the linux standardization movement which will lead it to much more acceptance. They may be too late. However, any competition they can give to MS to force them to change the bad is a good thing. However, the DX10 issue is a classic example - a technology that will completely change future hardware standards and Linux is nowhere in sight to make a dent, much less impact the process.
October 17, 2006 5:01:28 PM

Microsoft is too powerful a force also. It would be near impossible to beat Microsoft on their home turf. Consoles, MP3 players, web browsers, maybe, but the Core OS, never. Linux and Mac can try all they want, but its all nickels and dimes at best. Windows has been around so long that it is known as the only way to do an OS. Unless someone comes up with a completely new radical way that also works much better, I don't see Windows demise anytime soon.

Also, Microsoft's support is top notch, wish you could say the same for some of the other OS's...
October 17, 2006 5:02:25 PM

I cant wait untill linux is on its WindowsME days.

Someone PM me when that occurs.
October 17, 2006 5:47:54 PM

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I cant wait untill linux is on its WindowsME days.

Someone PM me when that occurs.


That will never happen. Linux has a big developer base (IBM, Apple, etc.) but it´s so called greatest strength, being open source, is also it´s greatest weakness. Since everybody can do everything on it, it lacks direction. Linux can do everything, yet nothing at the quality windows can - as long as it looks at windows for directions, it will never get even close to it´s competitor.
I had installed it various times, worked on and with it on several occasions and it´s always the same. It offers no comfort, no compatiblity and it is NEVER finished.
October 17, 2006 5:59:22 PM

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That will never happen. Linux has a big developer base (IBM, Apple, etc.) but it´s so called greatest strength, being open source, is also it´s greatest weakness. Since everybody can do everything on it, it lacks direction. Linux can do everything, yet nothing at the quality windows can - as long as it looks at windows for directions, it will never get even close to it´s competitor.
I had installed it various times, worked on and with it on several occasions and it´s always the same. It offers no comfort, no compatiblity and it is NEVER finished.


I like the way you said that =)

Linux in a nutshell.
October 17, 2006 7:33:34 PM

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Windows is for work, Linux and Mac are for play, unless if you are running an actual serious server environment.


WTF?!?!?! Bwwhahahaha....that's funny! :lol:  Linux and mac are for play? You mean in getting to try and configure a game to run on or lack of games to play? (unnless you are running a SERIOUS server environment???) Puhleeeze. :lol: 

Yeah, those Mac based Myst tournaments are more grueling than QuakeCon :wink:
October 18, 2006 11:39:57 AM

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WTF?!?!?! Bwwhahahaha....that's funny! :lol:  Linux and mac are for play? You mean in getting to try and configure a game to run on or lack of games to play? (unnless you are running a SERIOUS server environment???) Puhleeeze. :lol: 
Yeah, those Mac based Myst tournaments are more grueling than QuakeCon :wink:

I don't think anyone can argue that a Linux server is incredibly good for a Production server if you never touch it. If you have to upgrade, put other software configurations on it, change out the hardware, etc., it has a great potential to drive you crazy. However, for home use, it is like a Mac in that you have to scrounge for compatible hardware products and software, search forums and sites for alternative apps that do something closer to what you intend, call up that 1 guy that everyone knows who sits in his basement and enjoys decoding Linux or Mac myths as a full time hobby, etc. Linux, and Mac as well, allow you to enjoyably kill a weekend figuring comething out - if you have the time to kill and enjoy that type of thing. Windows just does it, not necessarily well, with software and hardware that you can get almost anywhere but much quicker, easier and closer to what you actually wanted - Windows just works while an alternative OS are for people who like to play with the OS. I feel confident that someone will figure out how to play DX10 games on a Linux box in a matter of months after it is released, because they enjoy the game of "beating the system."
October 18, 2006 12:14:25 PM

Linux might be able too play DX10 games (Actually, never, because I doubt Microsoft will allow DX anywhere near any non-Windows platform) but it will be buggy as hell, a biatch to implement, and would make lots of people throw their hands up in frustration and go back to hacking Windows machines...
October 18, 2006 7:16:53 PM

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I cant wait untill linux is on its WindowsME days.

Someone PM me when that occurs.


All linux users thank thewir lucky gods that Linux will never be on its "Windows ME" days.

What's with the linux bashing here :evil:  ?
October 18, 2006 7:19:10 PM

Whats with the windows ME bashing?
October 18, 2006 7:24:05 PM

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alternative OS are for people who like to play with the OS.


True Linux is not for gaming but the best part of Linux and BSD is that you can setup <b>exactly </b> what you want. You have total control of the system.

Besides the obvious roles of software development and server duties a properly setup linux machine is the ideal office computer.


MacOS is more like a hippie or for the non computer savy. Great OS that is set back by apple being a hardware company.

Windows XP is a good allrounder. Not due to greatness of OS but because market dominance.

Personally I use windows on my desktop and slackware on my laptop so I'm from both camps :) 
October 18, 2006 7:25:23 PM

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Whats with the windows ME bashing?


Please tell me that you are joking :D 
October 18, 2006 7:25:47 PM

hay thats my sig.... you need to change it now or risk being labled a copycat, and i will send you nasty pm's every 10 minutes.



K thanks.
October 18, 2006 7:30:34 PM

I saw it somewhere on the internet :p  Being using it for a while now. Don't worry I change signatures quite often so when I find a new one that I like I switch.

Funny we came across the same sig :D 
October 18, 2006 7:32:19 PM

That was not the quote I saw. I have used that quote since BBS days. Same wording though.
October 18, 2006 8:29:35 PM

i have tried mandrake linux a few times before when i downloaded the iso's awhile back... it was intriguing to want to at least try, but it didnt feel like the os was near user friendly enough, or that it was 'all there' so to speak... macos v6.x through v10.x were simply too restricting trying to do much, they were what i grew up using... but, windows does seem to give the right balance of both, you have a decent amount of control over what you can do, you can completely botch the system up for fun even (lol), and it doesnt take long at all to fix in most cases, which makes troubleshooting fairly easy for friends and relatives computers... for me its been the easiest os to adapt to, even when things are changed all bass ackwards, or even with poorly constructed application guis, they still has a fairly intuitive feel all around :) ... its nice to have at least some conformity in that respect.
October 18, 2006 8:32:24 PM

may i mention....
using linux, requires a bit of knowledge before you can fully customize it and use it as you like....



SO DOES WINDOWS.
Most linux head wantabees dont know how to do the same customization inside windows.
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