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October 17, 2006 2:09:55 PM

Sapphire X1600PRO_512MB_AGP 173 USD
MSI 6600GT 128mb 146 USD
SAPPHIRE X9600XT 256MB 82

Witch would be the best upgrade for my GF 5200 FX AGP? I realize that there could(are) better values of newegg, but since I live in Turkey I cant newegg. While yes, I want the best performance perioud, I would also like if you guys commented on witch of the cards was the best VALUE. SO I would preferably like to have 2 ratings, power and than value.


By the way if you need system specs:
GF 5200 AGP
P4. 2.4
512 RAM
550 PSU

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October 17, 2006 2:25:33 PM

Anything is an upgrade from a 5200FX, i have one in my laptop and I think i want an intel graphics chipset instead lol.

Most would say the 6600 because its a good deal and supports pixel shader 3 (im assuming you found the agp version and it has GDDR3). My opinion but id wait for a graphics guru's opinion ^_~.

I actually upgraded to a 6800XT 256MB GDDR3 recently for $110 on newegg recently and its great except its a power hog. Playing with a graphics card that supports HDR and pixel shader 3.0 is amazing however ( a great step up from my 5900 Ultra)
October 17, 2006 2:41:57 PM

6800XT or 9600XT = bad for the money spent, nowadays.


You can get an X1650 PRO or X800 GTO AGP on newegg for about $130.

Either will eat all the cards you mentioned (and the 6800XT, too), and then spit them out.

The X800's the faster of the two, and the X1650 PRO has newer SM 3.0 technology, but it's not all that important in this market segment.
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October 17, 2006 4:29:32 PM

PLEASE read my posts before you reply! I JUST said I cant newegg, as I live in Turkey. If you want to use newegg for price ranges, fine, but boost the price up 50 USD as thats the norm around here...

I'll try my best to find GPUs around here, but the majority AGP cards I've found are of the ATI 9000 series. So dont suggest a rare card as well, OK...

By the way, whats a 9800 XT? Its like a 5900 ultra, correct? So would that even have a tangible diferance???
October 17, 2006 4:33:52 PM

Sorry, you listed your prices in USD.

A 9800 XT is MUCH better than a 5900 Ultra, about as good as the 6600 GT.

Of the card s you listed, get the 6600 GT unless you can get a 9800 XT for cheaper.
October 17, 2006 6:51:00 PM

Or if your lucky, try and find a x1300xt which beats a 6600GT. With you saying its the USD price here + 50, its about 105 there i think. Not including tax. Good luck :D 
October 17, 2006 8:31:40 PM

You guys are failing to see the x800GTO may have higher FPS but i dont think it supports shader model 3.0. If you want a fast card the x800GTO is great, otherwise id look for one that does support shader model 3.0 because it really does look nice. Realistically i think its better to go for this than x800 because a nicer picture is better than a rediculous resolution at high fps.

EDIT: Check out THIS POST for a list of best agp cards for the money. I found it really useful and see that I should have gone with a 6600 instead of my 6800XT.
October 17, 2006 8:41:19 PM

Anyone of those cards will be an improvement over your current card.

What do you plan to do with this system and how long do you want it to last?
October 17, 2006 8:44:20 PM

SM3.0 is only worth it if the card is powerful enough to fully utilize it. Unless he can afford a 7600GT, SM3.0 shouldn't even be part of the equation, because IMO anything less isn't going to cut it. In the OP's case, with his budget, it looks like an X800GTO (if he can find one) would be the best choice. Playable frames, or a pretty slide show? :wink: Out of those listed, he's probably better off with the 6600GT.
October 17, 2006 8:54:49 PM

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You guys are failing to see the x800GTO may have higher FPS but i dont think it supports shader model 3.0.

EDIT: Check out THIS POST for a list of best agp cards for the money.


1. SM 3.0 isn't a concern in the sub-$100 range. Nothing in this range is fast enough to proicess effects like OpenEXR HDR anyway. On top of that, Shader Model 3 effects are very sparse... in a handful of games they allow for HDR. Other than that, you can't see a difference.

2. I *wrote* the 'best cards for the money' thread. :p 
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October 18, 2006 2:31:39 AM

6600GT, X1600 pro, and 9800XT are all very similar performers; the 9600XT is quite a bit slower. I'd go for the cheapest fo the fist 3. Avoid the FX series (this time ;)  )
October 18, 2006 4:06:31 AM

Quote:
You guys are failing to see the x800GTO may have higher FPS but i dont think it supports shader model 3.0.

EDIT: Check out THIS POST for a list of best agp cards for the money.


1. SM 3.0 isn't a concern in the sub-$100 range. Nothing in this range is fast enough to proicess effects like OpenEXR HDR anyway. On top of that, Shader Model 3 effects are very sparse... in a handful of games they allow for HDR. Other than that, you can't see a difference.

2. I *wrote* the 'best cards for the money' thread. :p 

Yeah you did and its friggin awsome ^_~. I just didnt think 173 bucks was sub $100 even counting the 50 dollar increase in price there. Im not questioning your graphics guruness just saying it looks really pretty for not much more plus i have to say im biased and like nvidia drivers more than ati drivers.
October 18, 2006 4:55:13 AM

honestly guys, I COULDNT care less about sm 3.0 All my PC games are a bit old( Half Life 2, Doom 3, Galactic Civ 2, Civ 4, Dawn of War, ) I dont own stuff like Prey or Fear...( yet. I'll by them when I get a whole new system)

Guys, I also dont want to spend 300 USD for a 7600GT. I know its the most powerfull AGP card, but since I'm building a whole new system in May-June, it wouldnt be worth it...

Cleve, sorry if I sounded a little harsh on my first post. You're right, I did post my prices in USD. Thats the weird thing, in Turkey they use USD for most tech. And I did read you're best cards for the money, but since I didnt know if I could find the cards you sugested on the thread...



By the way, IF possible, could you tell me if it needs a seperate powersupply rail? I might have a 550 PSU, but if I get a card that needs a seperate rail, I have to disable one of my 2 DVD disk drives. Its not to important if the cards you choose to pick need a seperate rail, but if you mention it I would be happy...
October 18, 2006 5:04:17 AM

Quote:
honestly guys, I COULDNT care less about sm 3.0 All my PC games are a bit old( Half Life 2, Doom 3, Galactic Civ 2, Civ 4, Dawn of War, ) I dont own stuff like Prey or Fear...( yet. I'll by them when I get a whole new system)

Guys, I also dont want to spend 300 USD for a 7600GT. I know its the most powerfull AGP card, but since I'm building a whole new system in May-June, it wouldnt be worth it...

Cleve, sorry if I sounded a little harsh on my first post. You're right, I did post my prices in USD. Thats the weird thing, in Turkey they use USD for most tech. And I did read you're best cards for the money, but since I didnt know if I could find the cards you sugested on the thread...



By the way, IF possible, could you tell me if it needs a seperate powersupply rail? I might have a 550 PSU, but if I get a card that needs a seperate rail, I have to disable one of my 2 DVD disk drives. Its not to important if the cards you choose to pick need a seperate rail, but if you mention it I would be happy...


The 7800 is 300 and not worth it, the 7600 is only 125 bucks USD meaning about 175 for him which is the most he wanted to spend. But you guys are right, for the 75 bucks or so the x800GTO is amazing especially if you only play older games.
October 18, 2006 1:41:59 PM

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I just didnt think 173 bucks was sub $100 even counting the 50 dollar increase in price there.


Prices change all the time, man. That's the name of the game.

It gets updated every month though.
October 18, 2006 2:11:06 PM

hmm, not bad. 7600GT isnt a bad deal at all. Would it be bottlenecked by my P4 2.4 or my 512 RAM? I definentaly dont want a bottleneck...

still, 250+( I'mm adding the 50 USD for Turkey) is pretty high, especialy with stuff like the X850. I suppose it all matters on the bottlenecks of my system...


What would give me the highest FPS for the stuff I suggested( i.e HL2, Doom 3, Dawn of War)
October 18, 2006 5:04:13 PM

For those games, and based on the cards you listed (X1600Pro, 6600GT, 9600XT) I'd say the 6600GT will give you the most bang for your buck. HL2 ran great on my old 6600GT at 10x7 (sorry I only hav a 17" monitor) on fairly high settings. Doom 3 favors nVidia and the 6600GT has a big advantage in that area. As far as Dawn of War, the recommended specs aren't that hefty according to the website so any of the cards you listed will do.

IMO getting a 7600GT would be a waste of money since it's so expensive in your country and quite a bit of overkill for the games you listed. It doesn't seem cost effective for what you plan to do with the system to pick up the 7600GT at this point. Especially if you plan on getting a new system within a year or so. Spend your wad on a good card then.

Your current PSU is more than sufficient to handle any of the cards listed or recommended so far.
October 18, 2006 5:30:13 PM

which is best in raw pixel strength? If the X1600 is only a bit better, than the 6600GT would be good. Its a bit cheaper as well witch is nice...

Guys, lets say I'm lucky and I could find any AGP card. If THAT was to happen, should I go for an X850 instead? Or would a 6600GT still be the way to go?



By the way, the other games I play would Include: Heavily graphically enhanced homeworld 2 and Freespace 2, Age of Empires 3, Rise of Nations Rise of Legands, a bit of BF 2142 and Company of Heroes. * I would play more BF 2142 but my GPU is actualy bellow the minum levels. Company of Heroes as well...


I know SM 3.0 is there for the more modern games, but as Cleve said, unless I get a powerful card, SM 3.0 is not needed. And I think that a more powerful card( like a 7900GTX- though thats only pcie) would be bottlenecked by my poor old P4. 2.4( I OC it to 2.5)
October 18, 2006 5:30:33 PM

which is best in raw pixel strength? If the X1600 is only a bit better, than the 6600GT would be good. Its a bit cheaper as well witch is nice...

Guys, lets say I'm lucky and I could find any AGP card. If THAT was to happen, should I go for an X850 instead? Or would a 6600GT still be the way to go?



By the way, the other games I play would Include: Heavily graphically enhanced homeworld 2 and Freespace 2, Age of Empires 3, Rise of Nations Rise of Legands, a bit of BF 2142 and Company of Heroes. * I would play more BF 2142 but my GPU is actualy bellow the minum levels. Company of Heroes as well...


I know SM 3.0 is there for the more modern games, but as Cleve said, unless I get a powerful card, SM 3.0 is not needed. And I think that a more powerful card( like a 7900GTX- though thats only pcie) would be bottlenecked by my poor old P4. 2.4( I OC it to 2.5)
October 18, 2006 5:34:28 PM

which is best in raw pixel strength? If the X1600 is only a bit better, than the 6600GT would be good. Its a bit cheaper as well witch is nice...

Guys, lets say I'm lucky and I could find any AGP card. If THAT was to happen, should I go for an X850 instead? Or would a 6600GT still be the way to go?



By the way, the other games I play would Include: Heavily graphically enhanced homeworld 2 and Freespace 2, Age of Empires 3, Rise of Nations Rise of Legands, a bit of BF 2142 and Company of Heroes. * I would play more BF 2142 but my GPU is actualy bellow the minum levels. Company of Heroes as well...


I know SM 3.0 is there for the more modern games, but as Cleve said, unless I get a powerful card, SM 3.0 is not needed. And I think that a more powerful card( like a 7900GTX- though thats only pcie) would be bottlenecked by my poor old P4. 2.4( I OC it to 2.5)

By the way, I just saw a post by Cleve. X1950 AGP eh? Hah, that would be sweet-- to bad it would be bottlenecked by my P4.



PS: I only run at 1280 1024, never higher, sometimes lower.
October 18, 2006 5:50:25 PM

Just go with the GF 6600GT,its a great card and its OC's very well. Also I am in Bulgaria which is right next to you and I know how hard it is to find good prices.
October 18, 2006 5:50:27 PM

definitely the x850 over a 6600GT hands down. If you can find a 7600 AGP however you can check the toms benchamarks, its only does like 2 less fps in benchmarks vs the x800GTO at 1280x1024 with 8x AA in HL2 episode 1. Basically what im saying is you traded a few fps away but the image quality makes up for it. However both cards ran the game at "slideshow" quality at those settings ^_~.
October 18, 2006 6:05:03 PM

the 6600 GT is beter than the X1600 PRO at almost everything.
October 19, 2006 2:20:02 PM

hah, tell me about it. I once saw a Radeon 9550 for like 200 USD.

worst
deal
ever...

So, the general consesus is: Power: 7600, X850, 6600, X1600, 9800XT.
Value: 6600/X850, 7600, X1600, 9800XT,

correct?


By the way, sorry for the thriple post. I'll see if I can still delete posts... EIDT: Nope, cant delete. Sorry about that...
October 19, 2006 3:03:54 PM

Power (best to worst):

7600 GT = X800/X850 XT = 7800GS
X800/X850 PRO or GTO
7600 GS
6600 GT
9800 XT = X1600 PRO
6600

Value: depends on your pricing, look at this list and see what's worth it to you.
October 19, 2006 6:06:51 PM

Well, I'll jump on an X850 if I see one, otherwise I'll just see the price diferances between the 6600Gt and 7600 to pick...
October 20, 2006 6:23:41 AM

How about the difference between a 7600 AGP and a 6800XT agp? If the 7600 is a good improvement and draws less power id definitely trade in my card for it. The 6800 draws soo much power it crashes my pc :( 
October 20, 2006 1:25:05 PM

true... Honestly, since nobody even talked about the 6800XT I didnt even realy think about it. Soon I'm gonna go card shopping, and I'm just hoping that they have some of the cards you guys suggested...
October 20, 2006 1:42:54 PM

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How about the difference between a 7600 AGP and a 6800XT agp?


Even a 7600 GS would beat a 6800XT easily.
October 20, 2006 4:21:14 PM

Obviously, it seems 7 serries architechture is the way to go. Up to what price point would you say the 7600 and 7800 would be to count as a reasonable?
October 20, 2006 4:30:13 PM

In AGP?

I'd pay in the neighborhood of $180 for a 7600 GT.

The same for a 7800 GS, because stock performance s the same... maybe a fe bucks more because of overclockability.

The upcoming AGP X1950 PRO, I'd pay in the $210 neighborhood in AGP.
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