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7600GT AGP vs 6800GS AGP vs 9800PRO 128 WTF !?!

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October 18, 2006 10:37:22 PM

Ok i bought a BFG 6800GSAGP 2 months ago and decided to return it after i saw the release of the 7600GT so anyways, i did some benchmarking on 3dmark05 with it, with fully unlocked 16/6 + overclock and i compared it to my 9800Pro / XFX 7600GT AGP 560/700

3DMark 05
6800GS AGP / Stock 5531
Fully Unlocked 401/1100 5891

Sapphire 9800Pro 128 2872

XFX 7600GT AGP 560/1500 4677 <~ WTF?!
7600GT AGP 601/1600 4541 <- big big wtf!

all these were tested under the follow specs

Pentium 4 2.8Ghz (northwood) stock no overclock
1.0 Gig of OCZ EL (2-3-2-5)
ASUSP4S800D-X
SoundBlasters Audigy-Gamer

now believe me when i say this, i tested the 6800GS a month ago and it did pretty well in 3dMark 05 - i quickly returned it to newegg as i wanted the 7600GT AGP - i did the benchmark right when i got this, and believe me... first reactions were WTF... how is it 200$ XFX 7600GT be under par compared to a 6800GS that is 165$ both on newegg..

my original idea was to get the 7600GT AGP since it has all this new crap that comes with it (purevideo hdr or what not)

yeah coolbits overclocked great but it showed NEGATIVE EFFECT on 3dmark 05... so lemme ask you guys.. wtf may be wrong? i compared 3dmark results and lotsa people get 6000+ points with this video card

also in bios i noticed theres an AGP Aperature Size ... i left it alone at 128, should it be changed to 256?!

comment + help would be greatly appreciated! share your 7600GT AGP scores :) 
October 18, 2006 11:12:14 PM

I don't know how many times I have stated this but I will again.. Benchmarks mean crap... If you take a look in THG VGA charts and put:ATI x1300PRO vs GF 6800ULTRA and then click on the 3D Mark 05 test.. You will sadly see that the x1300pro out performs a Gf 6800ULTA... Now that doesn't mean that the x1300pro is better. Because it isn't...
So the Same goes for you... the Gefore7600GT is way better than the Gf6800GS.. now as for 128mb vs 256mb... If you can trade it in, it wouldn't hurt especialy when it comes to playing on higher resolutions.
October 18, 2006 11:18:36 PM

oh realllly.. i really expected all new video cards to outbench previous benchmarks =O thxxxxxxxx

just very depressing after seeing all other people who recent got their new 7600GT AGP @ 6000+ 3dmark 05 points!

am i bottlenecked?!
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October 18, 2006 11:29:53 PM

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A good example of this was the FX 5800. It was nvidia'v card to compeat against ATI's Radeon 9700. Earl;y ench marks of the 5800 looked great. 3D Mark 03 scores were impressive. SO eveyone thought the 5800 was a better card then the 9700. Latter everyone found out tha nvidia had treaked it's drivers to reduce detail and even prevent parts of the benchmark from being rendered. When these tweaks where removed the 5800 performance was no where near the 9700.


Ah yes, the Nvidia 3D Mark 03 cover up...good times
a b U Graphics card
October 18, 2006 11:42:51 PM

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am i bottlenecked?!


I don't know, I'd need to see pictures of your neck.

As for the scores, it's not your hardware it's you, you should take it personally, you're a very bad person, and bad scores come to bad people. The others were obviously far better people, which is why they scored higher scores.

What you need to do is get yourself a young priest and an old priest, and some holy water cooling.

Don't feel bad, I score negative numbers, which is why I don't bench much anymore.
a b U Graphics card
October 18, 2006 11:46:20 PM

And then moving onto games where it counts, look at the 9700 pro compared to any FX series card in something like DX9.0 HL2. I tell ya, seeing a FX5900U tank when forced to run DX9 gave me more than a few laughs and made me thankful I had a 9800 pro.
a b U Graphics card
October 18, 2006 11:52:30 PM

lol :lol: 
October 19, 2006 12:45:46 AM

This is kind of pointless in this arguement, but I can't believe nobody noticed. melarcky said "now as for 128mb vs 256mb... If you can trade it in, it wouldn't hurt especialy when it comes to playing on higher resolutions". iioxfate wasn't asking about the amount of onboard RAM, he was talking about AGP Aperature Size. That's a BIOS setting BTW. And BTW melarcky, you can't increase the amount of RAM on any video card by changing a BIOS setting.

Just trying to clear things up a bit.
October 19, 2006 12:55:55 AM

No No No No .. I know you can't I am not THAT THICK. I thought the guy meant that his GF 7600GT was the 128mb version and he wanted to know if he should exchange it for a Gf 7600GT 256mb version?
October 19, 2006 1:20:44 AM

melarcky, sorry if I offended you, but in the original post, iioxfate specifically said "also in bios i noticed theres an AGP Aperature Size ... i left it alone at 128, should it be changed to 256?".

I don't understand your response. I don't see how you could think "the guy meant that his GF 7600GT was the 128mb version and he wanted to know if he should exchange it for a Gf 7600GT 256mb version?" Like I said before, this (my point) is pretty pointless to iioxfate's problem I just wanted to make sure nobody is running in circles.

I just mostly lurk and am amazed at the arguements, misread posts, misunderstandings, etc. I couldn't resist the temptation to chime in on this one to do a little clarifying.
October 19, 2006 1:40:15 AM

Dude you didn't offend me at all.. I was in a hurry and just skipped the part with the Bios by Accident. Its ok to clairify things up because you will help others in the long run :) 
October 19, 2006 1:48:25 AM

Cool. I'm glad I could help. I'm even more glad that I didn't offend you. There's no shortage of people offending people in this forum.
October 19, 2006 11:23:26 AM

to be honest this graphics card is running prettttttttty sweeeet :) 

the graphics on ROSE Online are like fluid very detailed,

on quake 4, auto detech settings were at medium and i set my resolutions to 1280 and im getting over 50FPS =O verrrrry fluid

but i get a head ache from playing quake 4
October 19, 2006 3:19:01 PM

You should be able to play Quake4 on max... I do.
October 19, 2006 4:31:48 PM

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You should be able to play Quake4 on max... I do.


Yeah, I agree. I play Quake on "high" settings with my X800XL, and get great frames. I run into problems on "ultra high" though.
October 19, 2006 4:44:43 PM

Try changing your drivers mate. I get different benches depending on my drivers (also my d3d settings obviously). I usually set my card to performance and not quality.

My card slowed down a bit when I went to directx9.0c with a set of catalyst drivers.

Unless your game/app can use all the AGP aperature memory you specify, you won't get a performance boost. Its harmless to up it otherwise. If your software doesn't take advantage of it then its still available.
October 19, 2006 8:23:42 PM

What great timing for this question... I have a Radeon 9800 Pro / AGP / 128MB that is starting to crap out on me (I bought it used off fleabay and the previous owner OC'ed it I think). How much better would a GeForce 7600GS be than my 9800 Pro? (I'm looking in particular at the fanless Gigabyte model). I don't know where to put an AGP 9800Pro on THG's VGA charts.

The thing is unstable overclocked. Caused me a lot of grief.

Is it worth upgrading or should I just hold'em until I can afford a full upgrade? I read rumors too that my mobo is particularly bad with Radeon -- it's an Asus A8V deluxe (socket 939).
October 19, 2006 8:46:06 PM

I can't help you when it comes to you Motherboard. But I can tell you this.. If you are going to upgrade to a Video card do not go for the GF7600GS, yes it is a good card, but its meant for people who are upgrading form a GF4 MX440
so I go for the GF7600GT, they are extremely cheap lately.And they are great.
October 19, 2006 8:50:53 PM

Thanks, melarcky! Newegg doesn't carry that card, but, well, Newegg is not the entire universe :) 

The GT is a good $60 more expensive than the GS, tho -- about 40% more expensive. Is it really 40% better? And if I ignore your advice, how much better (if at all) will the 7600GS be over my 9800Pro?
October 19, 2006 11:41:20 PM

I rate a 9800 at x800 for raw processing power. They'll run Unreal 2004 about the same speed (actually I think a 7800 runs unreal at the same speed) but when it comes to AF and AA and the directx9 stuff t he 9800 doesn't run so fast.

I'm stikcing with my 9800 until I get a quad core CPU because I haven't had a game yet I can't play. My 9800 started crapping out so I just stuck a Zalman on it and its fine now.
October 19, 2006 11:59:33 PM

Are you telling me that there no GF7600GT's, thats amazing and from what I know yes its worth the 40% :) 
October 20, 2006 12:48:04 PM

there was about 20 XFX 7600GT AGP and 20 XFX 7600GT XxX when it was on new egg on day #1 keep in mind this was with the OPEN BOX (accidentally put on) i kept rechecking the site every 2hours, 6 hours later they confirmed it was an error, and right after they took the open box down, i was lucky enough to order last one before they were all autonotify :) 

damn but for some reason i might have to RMA this one, flurry flurry artifacts occury randomly, right now it happened 2-3 times, and once they come, i have to close the game, and it goes away... i didnt even overclock it either.... *big big sigh* !
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