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August 31, 2005 2:27:44 PM

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I have a small wireless network I've just moved into my new house. I had a
desktop hardwired to a Linksys WRT54G, with a desktop and a laptop
connecting to the wireless network at my old house.

At the new house I'm connecting 2 more laptops and my wife's desktop via
wireless and I've run into a snag. The router is at one end of the house
downstairs and wifey's desktop is upstairs at the other end of the house.
She connects, but it reads low signal and wavers between 12 MB and 24 MB a
second per the linksys utility.

It seems my options to remedy this are running cat5, a range extender,
stronger antennas, or a wireless access point. Running cable is a last
resort as it could be tough getting to the area of the bedroom that needs
the feed as it is under a the lowest point of the attic. The antennas seem a
dubious investment. Not sure if the wireless extender thing will really
work. Would the WAP do the same thing as the extender? It seems to be a
better investment as I could reconfigure it if I need to reconfigure the
network in the future.

Any ideas?

Jon

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Anonymous
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August 31, 2005 2:27:45 PM

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:27:44 -0400, "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I have a small wireless network I've just moved into my new house. I had a
>desktop hardwired to a Linksys WRT54G, with a desktop and a laptop
>connecting to the wireless network at my old house.
>
>At the new house I'm connecting 2 more laptops and my wife's desktop via
>wireless and I've run into a snag. The router is at one end of the house
>downstairs and wifey's desktop is upstairs at the other end of the house.
>She connects, but it reads low signal and wavers between 12 MB and 24 MB a
>second per the linksys utility.

12MBits/sec will give you about 6Mbits/sec thruput. This is faster
than the typical DSL although it may cause problems with a faster
cable modem connection. However, I suspect that going through the
floor of the house results in an unreliable connection, which is the
real problem.

>It seems my options to remedy this are running cat5, a range extender,
>stronger antennas, or a wireless access point.

1. Run CAT5 upstairs to the computers.
2. Run CAT5 upstairs to a 2nd wireless access point.
3. Setup a 2nd WRT54G and use WDS to repeat the signal. This might
be a problem as you can't seem to go through the floor with a wireless
client, there's no reason to suspect that it can be done with a
repeater.
4. Setup a wireless repeater. Same problem as #3.
5. Use the power line to act as a link upstair and setup a repeater.
This tends to be limited by the speed of the power line link at about
2Mbit/sec thruput.
http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WGXB102.php
6. Run coax cable upstairs with a 2nd antenna. This is lossy, but if
the cable lengths are short, it works quite well. This is what I do
to deal with the upstairs/downstairs problem at my platial domicile.
7. Install a directional antenna or reflector on the WRT54G and hope
that it penetrates the floor. This is probably the cheapest and
easiest solution. A panel, patch, or biquad antenna would probably
work. I'm not a big fan of coffee can antennas, but if you can
tolerate the aesthetics, that will also suffice. Also:
http://www.freeantennas.com
8. Move the WRT54G to somewhere near the middle of the house or at
the base of the stairwell. Wireless goes through air much easier than
through floors. If your floor is poured concrete, I don't think any
form of positioning will help.

>Running cable is a last
>resort as it could be tough getting to the area of the bedroom that needs
>the feed as it is under a the lowest point of the attic.

Run it to the attic and then to over the bedroom. Install an 2nd
access point or wireless router setup as an access point over the
bedroom. Ceilings are usually not as heavily built as floors.

>The antennas seem a
>dubious investment. Not sure if the wireless extender thing will really
>work.

Wireless extenders, repeaters, WDS repeaters, and mesh networks all
have a small problem. If you need high thruput, they cut your maximum
bandwidth in half. That's probably not a problem if you just want to
share a DSL or cable modem connection. However, your wireless to
wireless thruput will be slow. Methinks you could live with it.
Repeaters and extenders are also very specific as to what chipsets and
devices they will work with. The newsgroups are full of disappointed
users that discover their new wireless repeater doesn't work with
their access point or wireless router. WDS is more of the same, but
you already have half the puzzle. The WRT54G with Sveasoft Alchemy
replacment firmware supports WDS. Buy a 2nd WRT54G to act as a WDS
repeater. You can also plug client computahs into the 2nd WRT54G and
it will act as a bridge to the first. If you have good connectivity
between WRT54G boxes, this is probably the most vesatile and useful
arrangment. Unfortunately, it's also the most expensive and
complicated to setup.

>Would the WAP do the same thing as the extender?

A WAP (wireless access point) can be wired with CAT5 to the first
WRT54G and supply coverage upstairs. You can also use a wireless
router as an access point by ignoring the WAN port and router section.
You'll find that wireless routers are also cheaper than WAP's. Unlike
the extender or repeater, the CAT5 connection is fast, stable,
interference free, and always works. A 2nd WRT54G would do the job or
just about any wireless device.

>It seems to be a
>better investment as I could reconfigure it if I need to reconfigure the
>network in the future.

Your decision. I would play with location and antennas first. Then
decide on the more expensive alternatives if that fails.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
AE6KS 831-336-2558
Anonymous
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August 31, 2005 3:17:33 PM

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"Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
>At the new house I'm connecting 2 more laptops and my wife's desktop via
>wireless and I've run into a snag. The router is at one end of the house
>downstairs and wifey's desktop is upstairs at the other end of the house.
>She connects, but it reads low signal and wavers between 12 MB and 24 MB a
>second per the linksys utility.

Does it work OK? If you are sharing a typical 1.5MB internet
connection, it may not matter how fast you are connecting to your
LAN...

I'd look at moving the router to (or installing an AP in) a more
central location.
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August 31, 2005 4:15:14 PM

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I moved the router about 15 feet down the wall from my desktop, which is in
the corner. The signal went from little or no connection to a low power,
'throughput most of the time' connection.

It does get about 1.5 MB sec most of the time, but was hoping to improve
that. My laptop gets 3.5 MB/sec on the wireless card using an online speed
test. My hardwired Comcast connection at my desktop gives me a solid 6mb/sec
from the same site.

If I used an AP would I be better off using a WAP or a signal extender?

Thanks,
Jon

<William P. N. Smith> wrote in message
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> "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >At the new house I'm connecting 2 more laptops and my wife's desktop via
> >wireless and I've run into a snag. The router is at one end of the house
> >downstairs and wifey's desktop is upstairs at the other end of the house.
> >She connects, but it reads low signal and wavers between 12 MB and 24 MB
a
> >second per the linksys utility.
>
> Does it work OK? If you are sharing a typical 1.5MB internet
> connection, it may not matter how fast you are connecting to your
> LAN...
>
> I'd look at moving the router to (or installing an AP in) a more
> central location.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
August 31, 2005 4:56:18 PM

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Zeppo wrote:

> I have a small wireless network I've just moved into my new house. I had a
> desktop hardwired to a Linksys WRT54G, with a desktop and a laptop
> connecting to the wireless network at my old house.
>
> At the new house I'm connecting 2 more laptops and my wife's desktop via
> wireless and I've run into a snag. The router is at one end of the house
> downstairs and wifey's desktop is upstairs at the other end of the house.
> She connects, but it reads low signal and wavers between 12 MB and 24 MB a
> second per the linksys utility.

And that's a problem? You can't make use of all that bandwidth on the
Internet, anyway.
--
derek
August 31, 2005 5:08:27 PM

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The spot in the bedroom where the desktop sits resides over the garage,
which has masonry walls. This is probably help block the signal. I get the
same reception on my laptop if I use it near the wife's desktop but the
signal gets real strong near the door to the bedroom.

Just had a thought... Could I connect a coax cable to the back of the PCI
card and run it along the wall to the opposite corner of the bedroom and
connect the antenna and the other end near the door? Would I get a lot of
signal loss through the cable?

Jon

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
news:2llbh1t8io79rbt72c5tmuhob2oiplf34f@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:27:44 -0400, "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I have a small wireless network I've just moved into my new house. I had
a
> >desktop hardwired to a Linksys WRT54G, with a desktop and a laptop
> >connecting to the wireless network at my old house.
> >
> >At the new house I'm connecting 2 more laptops and my wife's desktop via
> >wireless and I've run into a snag. The router is at one end of the house
> >downstairs and wifey's desktop is upstairs at the other end of the house.
> >She connects, but it reads low signal and wavers between 12 MB and 24 MB
a
> >second per the linksys utility.
>
> 12MBits/sec will give you about 6Mbits/sec thruput. This is faster
> than the typical DSL although it may cause problems with a faster
> cable modem connection. However, I suspect that going through the
> floor of the house results in an unreliable connection, which is the
> real problem.
>
> >It seems my options to remedy this are running cat5, a range extender,
> >stronger antennas, or a wireless access point.
>
> 1. Run CAT5 upstairs to the computers.
> 2. Run CAT5 upstairs to a 2nd wireless access point.
> 3. Setup a 2nd WRT54G and use WDS to repeat the signal. This might
> be a problem as you can't seem to go through the floor with a wireless
> client, there's no reason to suspect that it can be done with a
> repeater.
> 4. Setup a wireless repeater. Same problem as #3.
> 5. Use the power line to act as a link upstair and setup a repeater.
> This tends to be limited by the speed of the power line link at about
> 2Mbit/sec thruput.
> http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WGXB102.php
> 6. Run coax cable upstairs with a 2nd antenna. This is lossy, but if
> the cable lengths are short, it works quite well. This is what I do
> to deal with the upstairs/downstairs problem at my platial domicile.
> 7. Install a directional antenna or reflector on the WRT54G and hope
> that it penetrates the floor. This is probably the cheapest and
> easiest solution. A panel, patch, or biquad antenna would probably
> work. I'm not a big fan of coffee can antennas, but if you can
> tolerate the aesthetics, that will also suffice. Also:
> http://www.freeantennas.com
> 8. Move the WRT54G to somewhere near the middle of the house or at
> the base of the stairwell. Wireless goes through air much easier than
> through floors. If your floor is poured concrete, I don't think any
> form of positioning will help.
>
> >Running cable is a last
> >resort as it could be tough getting to the area of the bedroom that needs
> >the feed as it is under a the lowest point of the attic.
>
> Run it to the attic and then to over the bedroom. Install an 2nd
> access point or wireless router setup as an access point over the
> bedroom. Ceilings are usually not as heavily built as floors.
>
> >The antennas seem a
> >dubious investment. Not sure if the wireless extender thing will really
> >work.
>
> Wireless extenders, repeaters, WDS repeaters, and mesh networks all
> have a small problem. If you need high thruput, they cut your maximum
> bandwidth in half. That's probably not a problem if you just want to
> share a DSL or cable modem connection. However, your wireless to
> wireless thruput will be slow. Methinks you could live with it.
> Repeaters and extenders are also very specific as to what chipsets and
> devices they will work with. The newsgroups are full of disappointed
> users that discover their new wireless repeater doesn't work with
> their access point or wireless router. WDS is more of the same, but
> you already have half the puzzle. The WRT54G with Sveasoft Alchemy
> replacment firmware supports WDS. Buy a 2nd WRT54G to act as a WDS
> repeater. You can also plug client computahs into the 2nd WRT54G and
> it will act as a bridge to the first. If you have good connectivity
> between WRT54G boxes, this is probably the most vesatile and useful
> arrangment. Unfortunately, it's also the most expensive and
> complicated to setup.
>
> >Would the WAP do the same thing as the extender?
>
> A WAP (wireless access point) can be wired with CAT5 to the first
> WRT54G and supply coverage upstairs. You can also use a wireless
> router as an access point by ignoring the WAN port and router section.
> You'll find that wireless routers are also cheaper than WAP's. Unlike
> the extender or repeater, the CAT5 connection is fast, stable,
> interference free, and always works. A 2nd WRT54G would do the job or
> just about any wireless device.
>
> >It seems to be a
> >better investment as I could reconfigure it if I need to reconfigure the
> >network in the future.
>
> Your decision. I would play with location and antennas first. Then
> decide on the more expensive alternatives if that fails.
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> AE6KS 831-336-2558
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
August 31, 2005 5:08:28 PM

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:08:27 -0400, "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Just had a thought... Could I connect a coax cable to the back of the PCI
>card and run it along the wall to the opposite corner of the bedroom and
>connect the antenna and the other end near the door? Would I get a lot of
>signal loss through the cable?

No. Far too much loss over the distance. Also, if you can run coax,
you can also run CAT5 cable.

However PCI card radios have their antennas located in the worst
possible place. It's behind a metal shield (computer case), near the
floor, and in the middle of a tangle of cables behind the machine. An
external panel, patch, or biquad antenna close to the desktop might
help. They usually come with < 3ft of coax which is tolerable.



--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
August 31, 2005 5:09:56 PM

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The problem is the signal is flakey there. It fluctuates and stalls
occasionally. Maybe I am being unrealistic about how much I can improve it
though.

Jon

"Derek Broughton" <news@pointerstop.ca> wrote in message
news:2i0hu2-qt9.ln1@othello.pointerstop.ca...
> Zeppo wrote:
>
> > I have a small wireless network I've just moved into my new house. I had
a
> > desktop hardwired to a Linksys WRT54G, with a desktop and a laptop
> > connecting to the wireless network at my old house.
> >
> > At the new house I'm connecting 2 more laptops and my wife's desktop via
> > wireless and I've run into a snag. The router is at one end of the house
> > downstairs and wifey's desktop is upstairs at the other end of the
house.
> > She connects, but it reads low signal and wavers between 12 MB and 24 MB
a
> > second per the linksys utility.
>
> And that's a problem? You can't make use of all that bandwidth on the
> Internet, anyway.
> --
> derek
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
August 31, 2005 6:10:10 PM

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"Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I moved the router about 15 feet down the wall from my desktop, which is in
>the corner. The signal went from little or no connection to a low power,
>'throughput most of the time' connection.

Can you run a wire to somewhere in the middle of the first floor,
maybe to a closet? That'd probably give you the best results...

>If I used an AP would I be better off using a WAP or a signal extender?

Well, if you could get it to work, a repeater would (cut your maximum
bandwidth in half and) not require running any wires, but the one time
I tried it (with D-Link products) I was completely unsuccessful and
had to run separate wires to the individual APs.

I'd use a Linksys WAP54G in a central location.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
August 31, 2005 6:49:25 PM

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Zeppo <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I have a small wireless network I've just moved into my new house. I had a
> desktop hardwired to a Linksys WRT54G, with a desktop and a laptop
> connecting to the wireless network at my old house.

> At the new house I'm connecting 2 more laptops and my wife's desktop via
> wireless and I've run into a snag. The router is at one end of the house
> downstairs and wifey's desktop is upstairs at the other end of the house.
> She connects, but it reads low signal and wavers between 12 MB and 24 MB a
> second per the linksys utility.

If you have a low signal, a reflector will likely fix the problem.

http://www.freeantennas.com EZ-12, printed on photo paper for thick stock,
with aluminum foil glued to the sail, provides a substantial boost in
signal. http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/EZ12-windsurfer.jpg

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5
August 31, 2005 6:49:26 PM

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OK, I need to try this, if just for the novelty value of the idea. :-)

Do I use this on the router antennae, or the desktop's PCI card antenna (or
both)? If used on the router, do I need one for each antenna or just use it
on one?

Thanks,
Jon


<dold@XReXXNeedX.usenet.us.com> wrote in message
news:D f4g1l$mbe$1@blue.rahul.net...
> Zeppo <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I have a small wireless network I've just moved into my new house. I had
a
> > desktop hardwired to a Linksys WRT54G, with a desktop and a laptop
> > connecting to the wireless network at my old house.
>
> > At the new house I'm connecting 2 more laptops and my wife's desktop via
> > wireless and I've run into a snag. The router is at one end of the house
> > downstairs and wifey's desktop is upstairs at the other end of the
house.
> > She connects, but it reads low signal and wavers between 12 MB and 24 MB
a
> > second per the linksys utility.
>
> If you have a low signal, a reflector will likely fix the problem.
>
> http://www.freeantennas.com EZ-12, printed on photo paper for thick
stock,
> with aluminum foil glued to the sail, provides a substantial boost in
> signal. http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/EZ12-windsurfer.jpg
>
> ---
> Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5
>
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
August 31, 2005 9:28:29 PM

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Zeppo <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
> OK, I need to try this, if just for the novelty value of the idea. :-)

> Do I use this on the router antennae, or the desktop's PCI card antenna (or
> both)? If used on the router, do I need one for each antenna or just use it
> on one?

Three.
Putting it on the PCI antenna will help.
Putting it on one of the WAP antennas will help, but I found that if both
antennas have signal, my SMC7004WFW would toggle back and forth between the
good signal and the poor signal.

http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/windsurfer-dining.JP... The signal with
the reflector is not only 13dB stronger, it's more stable.


PCI antennas are often blocked by the PC itself. Is your PC facing in the
right direction? If there's an upstairs downstairs angle, you might want
the antennas at matching angles, so they are "broadside" to each other.



With 54g connections, I find that watching the "current bandwidth" in the
Windows perfmon.msc is a pretty good signal indicator.
start-run-perfmon.msc
+ Performance Object = Network
Numbers agree with dslreports.
+ Performance Object = TCP "current bandwidth"

You can watch the throughput while copying locally as well as from the
internet. The internet link is the slow link, but I found that a WiFi link
that is low and fluctuating while you are observing it is likely hanging
from time to time due to poor signal, or other interactions and
interference in the house that varies with time.

On one PCI card, I added a "Hawking HAI6SDA Directional 6dBi 2.4GHz Antenna"
http://www.hawkingtech.com/prodSpec.php?ProdID=143


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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5
August 31, 2005 9:30:42 PM

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I was talking about running coax within the room the desktop is in. Running
cat5 to the router would be a major project in our new house.

I'm going to do a short cable with a homemade reflector and see how that
works. Getting the antenna from behind the PC has to help. The PC is a Dell.
I've never loved their PCs but the cases they pack them in have great
shielding.

Thanks for all the interesting discussion.
Regards,
Jon


"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:08:27 -0400, "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Just had a thought... Could I connect a coax cable to the back of the PCI
> >card and run it along the wall to the opposite corner of the bedroom and
> >connect the antenna and the other end near the door? Would I get a lot of
> >signal loss through the cable?
>
> No. Far too much loss over the distance. Also, if you can run coax,
> you can also run CAT5 cable.
>
> However PCI card radios have their antennas located in the worst
> possible place. It's behind a metal shield (computer case), near the
> floor, and in the middle of a tangle of cables behind the machine. An
> external panel, patch, or biquad antenna close to the desktop might
> help. They usually come with < 3ft of coax which is tolerable.
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
August 31, 2005 9:47:54 PM

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> connect the antenna and the other end near the door? Would I get a lot of
> signal loss through the cable?

Depends on the cable. You're more likely to lose as much as you'd gain.
A reflector or better antenna in the same location on a short cable is
likely to work better.

David.
August 31, 2005 9:47:55 PM

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I'm going to give that a try. I'll report back with results.

Thanks,
Jon

"David Taylor" <djtaylor@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> > connect the antenna and the other end near the door? Would I get a lot
of
> > signal loss through the cable?
>
> Depends on the cable. You're more likely to lose as much as you'd gain.
> A reflector or better antenna in the same location on a short cable is
> likely to work better.
>
> David.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 1, 2005 12:27:49 AM

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"Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I was talking about running coax within the room the desktop is in. Running
>cat5 to the router would be a major project in our new house.

You can run coax... but not very far unless you buy some *very*
good coax (which is about 1/2" or more diameter).

But one other possibility that hasn't been mentioned is to put
in a WRT54G and use it in client mode. Then you don't need to
run coax, but instead can place the WRT54G at some location
where the signal is good enough, and run CAT5 to the computer
(use one of the LAN ports, not the WAN port). I don't remember
if the Linksys firmware has client mode or if you need to
install third party firmware, but that makes little difference
because you'd want the third party firmware anyway.

Along the same lines, a lot of people have used USB wireless
clients in the same way. I'm not sure how much USB cable can be
used, but the specs suggest at least 15 feet if I remember
right, though I'd expect it might work with a good bit more
length.

>I'm going to do a short cable with a homemade reflector and see how that
>works. Getting the antenna from behind the PC has to help. The PC is a Dell.
>I've never loved their PCs but the cases they pack them in have great
>shielding.

Even just moving it a foot or so up above the computer case
should have a dramatic effect. However, since you say the
laptop doesn't get a good signal there either, it probably won't
be enough. Certainly worth trying though.

--
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
Anonymous
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September 1, 2005 1:39:25 AM

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"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:08:27 -0400, "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Just had a thought... Could I connect a coax cable to the back of the PCI
>>card and run it along the wall to the opposite corner of the bedroom and
>>connect the antenna and the other end near the door? Would I get a lot of
>>signal loss through the cable?
>
> No. Far too much loss over the distance. Also, if you can run coax,
> you can also run CAT5 cable.
>
> However PCI card radios have their antennas located in the worst
> possible place. It's behind a metal shield (computer case), near the
> floor, and in the middle of a tangle of cables behind the machine. An
> external panel, patch, or biquad antenna close to the desktop might
> help. They usually come with < 3ft of coax which is tolerable.
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

I solved my wireless range problem yesterday. I'm 500' from the WRT54g
located in the main building. There are steel containers (the ones used for
overseas shipping) stacked 2 high and 3 deep between my office and the
router. Netstumbler could "see" the router but the signal was nowhere near
enough to connect. So I went to BestBuy to purchase an outdoor antenna.
There is no such device at my BestBuy. The geek squad guy says get these
7db gain Linksys antennas to replace on the router, and if they don't help
just bring them back. ok. I also saw a Linksys PCI card with SRX. (I have
a desktop in the outbuilding and was trying to use my USB-G adapter that I
use with my 3 year old laptop) So I bought one of them also. Went from
a -89db signal to -60db and can connect now.

alien
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 1, 2005 5:02:03 AM

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:30:42 -0400, "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I was talking about running coax within the room the desktop is in. Running
>cat5 to the router would be a major project in our new house.

A brand new house and nobody thought to run CAT5 and other cable? I'm
playing advisor to a homebuilder that want his houses ready for just
about anything electronic that might be needed. I convinced him to
run conduit instead of cable (it's cheaper) in the walls and let the
buyers decide on what's needed. He ran 3/4 blue FNT "smurf tube" and
the first few buyers are complaining that it's difficult to cram in
RG-6/u (satellite and CATV), 3 CAT5 cables, intercom, alarm, telco
cables and a pull line. Yell at the builder for being cheap.

>I'm going to do a short cable with a homemade reflector and see how that
>works. Getting the antenna from behind the PC has to help.

It should help somewhat.

>The PC is a Dell.
>I've never loved their PCs but the cases they pack them in have great
>shielding.

I resell quite a few Dell computahs. I bit pricy but much better than
some other system vendors products.

Good luck.

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Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 1, 2005 10:58:41 AM

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Surprised no one has mentioned the firmware hacks that are available
for this model.
Also is the router itself in a clear space ?


The sveasoft ine allows a power boost if this will help.
David Taylor wrote:
> > clients in the same way. I'm not sure how much USB cable can be
> > used, but the specs suggest at least 15 feet if I remember
> > right, though I'd expect it might work with a good bit more
> > length.
>
> Normal is 5m for USB though you can chain 5 x 5m active cables to go
> 25m. However, the cost of 5 active cables would make pulling 25m of
> CAT5 seem extremely cheap! :) 
>
> David.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 1, 2005 11:22:59 AM

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> clients in the same way. I'm not sure how much USB cable can be
> used, but the specs suggest at least 15 feet if I remember
> right, though I'd expect it might work with a good bit more
> length.

Normal is 5m for USB though you can chain 5 x 5m active cables to go
25m. However, the cost of 5 active cables would make pulling 25m of
CAT5 seem extremely cheap! :) 

David.
September 1, 2005 2:50:27 PM

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The house is new to me. It was built ~1950 and expanded a few times so we
have a mixed bag of construction styles, wiring and plumbing.

I've been reviewing the layout outside and as a long term solution I may run
cat5 to the attic outside, then down to all the bedrooms. The side of the
house my router is on cannot be seen from the street or the next door
neighbors. There is already coax cable lines going up there.

Jon

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
news:vpjch1t8nchtf74srtivt4oamq66k2ea4v@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:30:42 -0400, "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I was talking about running coax within the room the desktop is in.
Running
> >cat5 to the router would be a major project in our new house.
>
> A brand new house and nobody thought to run CAT5 and other cable? I'm
> playing advisor to a homebuilder that want his houses ready for just
> about anything electronic that might be needed. I convinced him to
> run conduit instead of cable (it's cheaper) in the walls and let the
> buyers decide on what's needed. He ran 3/4 blue FNT "smurf tube" and
> the first few buyers are complaining that it's difficult to cram in
> RG-6/u (satellite and CATV), 3 CAT5 cables, intercom, alarm, telco
> cables and a pull line. Yell at the builder for being cheap.
>
> >I'm going to do a short cable with a homemade reflector and see how that
> >works. Getting the antenna from behind the PC has to help.
>
> It should help somewhat.
>
> >The PC is a Dell.
> >I've never loved their PCs but the cases they pack them in have great
> >shielding.
>
> I resell quite a few Dell computahs. I bit pricy but much better than
> some other system vendors products.
>
> Good luck.
>
> --
> # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060
> # 831.336.2558 voice Skype: JeffLiebermann
> # http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS
> # http://802.11junk.com
> # jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> # jeffl@cruzio.com
September 1, 2005 2:55:46 PM

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Yes, the router is now sitting on top of a hutch about seven feet off the
floor near a doorway to the center hall. Moving it across the room allowed
the bedroom PC to connect and stay connected, albeit with a low signal.

Jon

<frankdowling1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Surprised no one has mentioned the firmware hacks that are available
> for this model.
> Also is the router itself in a clear space ?
>
>
> The sveasoft ine allows a power boost if this will help.
> David Taylor wrote:
> > > clients in the same way. I'm not sure how much USB cable can be
> > > used, but the specs suggest at least 15 feet if I remember
> > > right, though I'd expect it might work with a good bit more
> > > length.
> >
> > Normal is 5m for USB though you can chain 5 x 5m active cables to go
> > 25m. However, the cost of 5 active cables would make pulling 25m of
> > CAT5 seem extremely cheap! :) 
> >
> > David.
>
September 1, 2005 2:59:24 PM

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Hmmm, moving the laptop 10 or 12 feet closer to the door improves the signal
a significantly. I have my daughter's USB adapter I could try it out with.
She left it home when she took her computer to school as the dorms are
networked.

One more good suggestion to try.

Jon

"Floyd L. Davidson" <floyd@apaflo.com> wrote in message
news:874q951kfu.fld@barrow.com...
> "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >I was talking about running coax within the room the desktop is in.
Running
> >cat5 to the router would be a major project in our new house.
>
> You can run coax... but not very far unless you buy some *very*
> good coax (which is about 1/2" or more diameter).
>
> But one other possibility that hasn't been mentioned is to put
> in a WRT54G and use it in client mode. Then you don't need to
> run coax, but instead can place the WRT54G at some location
> where the signal is good enough, and run CAT5 to the computer
> (use one of the LAN ports, not the WAN port). I don't remember
> if the Linksys firmware has client mode or if you need to
> install third party firmware, but that makes little difference
> because you'd want the third party firmware anyway.
>
> Along the same lines, a lot of people have used USB wireless
> clients in the same way. I'm not sure how much USB cable can be
> used, but the specs suggest at least 15 feet if I remember
> right, though I'd expect it might work with a good bit more
> length.
>
> >I'm going to do a short cable with a homemade reflector and see how that
> >works. Getting the antenna from behind the PC has to help. The PC is a
Dell.
> >I've never loved their PCs but the cases they pack them in have great
> >shielding.
>
> Even just moving it a foot or so up above the computer case
> should have a dramatic effect. However, since you say the
> laptop doesn't get a good signal there either, it probably won't
> be enough. Certainly worth trying though.
>
> --
> Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson&gt;
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 1, 2005 3:45:18 PM

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On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:50:27 -0400, "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>The house is new to me. It was built ~1950 and expanded a few times so we
>have a mixed bag of construction styles, wiring and plumbing.

Ah, the Winchester Mystery house style of construction.

>There is already coax cable lines going up there.

Good. You might want to use the coax for networking. If you have
access to both ends, just get a 10base2 (Cheapernet) converter or old
hub with a BNC connector, to convert between the CAT5 and the coax.
You can use RG-6/u as long as you don't put any taps along the line.
There are also commercial products to share the LAN and CATV.
http://www.multilet.com/us/baseband/product_range/produ...
I've ranted on the topic of using RG-6/u for networking in this
newsgrup at last 3 times. Use Google Groups to find the articles if
interested.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 6, 2005 2:07:27 AM

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OK, I used a few USB cables strung together to put the WUSB54G near the
door. Got an excellent signal at 54mb/s. Looks like the way to go.

So I ordered 2 16' active cables from Newegg. I'll put the PCI card into my
daughter's desktop when she brings it home for winter break.

Jon

"Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3nojadF2j9i2U1@individual.net...
> Hmmm, moving the laptop 10 or 12 feet closer to the door improves the
> signal
> a significantly. I have my daughter's USB adapter I could try it out with.
> She left it home when she took her computer to school as the dorms are
> networked.
>
> One more good suggestion to try.
>
> Jon
>
> "Floyd L. Davidson" <floyd@apaflo.com> wrote in message
> news:874q951kfu.fld@barrow.com...
>> "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >I was talking about running coax within the room the desktop is in.
> Running
>> >cat5 to the router would be a major project in our new house.
>>
>> You can run coax... but not very far unless you buy some *very*
>> good coax (which is about 1/2" or more diameter).
>>
>> But one other possibility that hasn't been mentioned is to put
>> in a WRT54G and use it in client mode. Then you don't need to
>> run coax, but instead can place the WRT54G at some location
>> where the signal is good enough, and run CAT5 to the computer
>> (use one of the LAN ports, not the WAN port). I don't remember
>> if the Linksys firmware has client mode or if you need to
>> install third party firmware, but that makes little difference
>> because you'd want the third party firmware anyway.
>>
>> Along the same lines, a lot of people have used USB wireless
>> clients in the same way. I'm not sure how much USB cable can be
>> used, but the specs suggest at least 15 feet if I remember
>> right, though I'd expect it might work with a good bit more
>> length.
>>
>> >I'm going to do a short cable with a homemade reflector and see how that
>> >works. Getting the antenna from behind the PC has to help. The PC is a
> Dell.
>> >I've never loved their PCs but the cases they pack them in have great
>> >shielding.
>>
>> Even just moving it a foot or so up above the computer case
>> should have a dramatic effect. However, since you say the
>> laptop doesn't get a good signal there either, it probably won't
>> be enough. Certainly worth trying though.
>>
>> --
>> Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson&gt;
>> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
>
>
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 7, 2005 4:39:51 AM

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:49:25 +0000 (UTC), dold@XReXXNeedX.usenet.us.com wrote:

>Zeppo <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I have a small wireless network I've just moved into my new house. I had a
>> desktop hardwired to a Linksys WRT54G, with a desktop and a laptop
>> connecting to the wireless network at my old house.
>
>> At the new house I'm connecting 2 more laptops and my wife's desktop via
>> wireless and I've run into a snag. The router is at one end of the house
>> downstairs and wifey's desktop is upstairs at the other end of the house.
>> She connects, but it reads low signal and wavers between 12 MB and 24 MB a
>> second per the linksys utility.
>
>If you have a low signal, a reflector will likely fix the problem.
>
>http://www.freeantennas.com EZ-12, printed on photo paper for thick stock,
>with aluminum foil glued to the sail, provides a substantial boost in
>signal. http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/EZ12-windsurfer.jpg

120 mbs is nothing to sneeze at.

>
>---
>Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5

Barry
=====
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September 7, 2005 5:22:08 AM

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Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:49:25 +0000 (UTC), dold@XReXXNeedX.usenet.us.com wrote:
>
>
>>Zeppo <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I have a small wireless network I've just moved into my new house. I had a
>>>desktop hardwired to a Linksys WRT54G, with a desktop and a laptop
>>>connecting to the wireless network at my old house.
>>
>>>At the new house I'm connecting 2 more laptops and my wife's desktop via
>>>wireless and I've run into a snag. The router is at one end of the house
>>>downstairs and wifey's desktop is upstairs at the other end of the house.
>>>She connects, but it reads low signal and wavers between 12 MB and 24 MB a
>>>second per the linksys utility.
>>
>>If you have a low signal, a reflector will likely fix the problem.
>>
>>http://www.freeantennas.com EZ-12, printed on photo paper for thick stock,
>>with aluminum foil glued to the sail, provides a substantial boost in
>>signal. http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/EZ12-windsurfer.jpg
>
>
> 120 mbs is nothing to sneeze at.
>
>
>>---
>>Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5
>
>
> Barry
> =====
> Home page
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og


Look here to update the linksys firmware and gets lots more power out of
the router you have.

www.sveasoft.com

for $20 its worth it I think.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 10, 2005 1:07:47 PM

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On 2005-09-01, Floyd L. Davidson <floyd@apaflo.com> wrote:
> "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>I was talking about running coax within the room the desktop is in. Running
>>cat5 to the router would be a major project in our new house.
>
> You can run coax... but not very far unless you buy some *very*
> good coax (which is about 1/2" or more diameter).
>
> But one other possibility that hasn't been mentioned is to put
> in a WRT54G and use it in client mode. Then you don't need to
> run coax, but instead can place the WRT54G at some location
> where the signal is good enough, and run CAT5 to the computer
> (use one of the LAN ports, not the WAN port). I don't remember
> if the Linksys firmware has client mode or if you need to
> install third party firmware, but that makes little difference
> because you'd want the third party firmware anyway.
>
> Along the same lines, a lot of people have used USB wireless
> clients in the same way. I'm not sure how much USB cable can be
> used, but the specs suggest at least 15 feet if I remember
> right, though I'd expect it might work with a good bit more
> length.
>

Another option is the ASUS WL-330G. It's about the size of a deck of
playing cards. It has two modes: Access Point or Ethernet gateway.
I've used two of them in Ethernet gateway mode at separate locations
to do exactly what you're
suggesting above. i.e. connect a run of CAT5 to the device, and place
it in a part of the room with better reception than where the desktop PC
is located. It works pretty well.

Jeff



>>I'm going to do a short cable with a homemade reflector and see how that
>>works. Getting the antenna from behind the PC has to help. The PC is a Dell.
>>I've never loved their PCs but the cases they pack them in have great
>>shielding.
>
> Even just moving it a foot or so up above the computer case
> should have a dramatic effect. However, since you say the
> laptop doesn't get a good signal there either, it probably won't
> be enough. Certainly worth trying though.
>
September 21, 2005 11:38:11 AM

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Meant to report back with how things went..
I strung 2 Active USB cables prom the PC to behind a nightstand by the door
in the opposite corner of the room. I mounted the WUSB54G behind the
nightstand using the velcro strip that came with it.

I'm now getting an excellent signal @ 54mb/s. No disconnects and speedtests
from various Speakeasy test sites read the same as the desktop PC hardwired
to the router downstairs.

Thanks for everyone's help and suggestions. This was fun.

Regards,
Jon

"Jeff McWilliams" <Jeff.McWilliams@NO.SPAM.clanmcwilliams.org> wrote in
message news:slrndi5qlv.7vn.Jeff.McWilliams@heavy3.home.int...
> On 2005-09-01, Floyd L. Davidson <floyd@apaflo.com> wrote:
> > "Zeppo" <zeppo_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>I was talking about running coax within the room the desktop is in.
Running
> >>cat5 to the router would be a major project in our new house.
> >
> > You can run coax... but not very far unless you buy some *very*
> > good coax (which is about 1/2" or more diameter).
> >
> > But one other possibility that hasn't been mentioned is to put
> > in a WRT54G and use it in client mode. Then you don't need to
> > run coax, but instead can place the WRT54G at some location
> > where the signal is good enough, and run CAT5 to the computer
> > (use one of the LAN ports, not the WAN port). I don't remember
> > if the Linksys firmware has client mode or if you need to
> > install third party firmware, but that makes little difference
> > because you'd want the third party firmware anyway.
> >
> > Along the same lines, a lot of people have used USB wireless
> > clients in the same way. I'm not sure how much USB cable can be
> > used, but the specs suggest at least 15 feet if I remember
> > right, though I'd expect it might work with a good bit more
> > length.
> >
>
> Another option is the ASUS WL-330G. It's about the size of a deck of
> playing cards. It has two modes: Access Point or Ethernet gateway.
> I've used two of them in Ethernet gateway mode at separate locations
> to do exactly what you're
> suggesting above. i.e. connect a run of CAT5 to the device, and place
> it in a part of the room with better reception than where the desktop PC
> is located. It works pretty well.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> >>I'm going to do a short cable with a homemade reflector and see how that
> >>works. Getting the antenna from behind the PC has to help. The PC is a
Dell.
> >>I've never loved their PCs but the cases they pack them in have great
> >>shielding.
> >
> > Even just moving it a foot or so up above the computer case
> > should have a dramatic effect. However, since you say the
> > laptop doesn't get a good signal there either, it probably won't
> > be enough. Certainly worth trying though.
> >
!