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mrmez   10-20-2006 at 06:34:44 AM

I know its just gonna be speculation atm, but i was wondering...
Since Vista WILL eat sys resources, what will give better game performance

A.) DX10 card on XP (using dx9 of course)
or
B.) DX10 card on Vista (taking advantage of DX10 s/ware, but getting a hit from Vista)

Just curious... so whore away :twisted:

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Xazax310   10-20-2006 at 06:43:37 AM
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Obviously DX10 and Vista why buy a DX10 card if your not gonna use DX10! Also Vista is gonna have a new 9.0 called 9.0L(L stands for Longhorn) which will vastly improve performance in 9.0 apps.

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SEALBoy   10-20-2006 at 07:12:03 AM
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Obviously DX10 and Vista why buy a DX10 card if your not gonna use DX10! Also Vista is gonna have a new 9.0 called 9.0L(L stands for Longhorn) which will vastly improve performance in 9.0 apps.



Are you sure the Vista will have DX9.0L? I thought that Vista will ship with DX10 (therefore there is no need for DX9.0L), and DX9.0L will be made available for Windows XP.

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Assman   10-20-2006 at 07:17:26 AM
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DX10 cards are suppose to be backwards compatible, so i would assume that this is possible (L), but Xazax310 provide the source please

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IcY18   10-20-2006 at 07:34:40 AM
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Obviously DX10 and Vista why buy a DX10 card if your not gonna use DX10! Also Vista is gonna have a new 9.0 called 9.0L(L stands for Longhorn) which will vastly improve performance in 9.0 apps.



Just because a card is labeled DX10 doesn't mean its pointless to get it if you're only going to run DX9, all the new DX10 cards are going to be much more powerful and provide some good performance in graphic intensive games like Oblivion that needs atleast two cards to run at high res with full eye candy...

what your failing to understanad is that with dx10 there is a new generation of a cards which means a big performance increase...just cause its dx10 it doesn't really make the card an amazing card that just includes what will look like better graphics for us, but as far as raw power that is just the card/hardware not the dx10...

so its just like going from a 6600GT to a 7900GT, if there were no such thing as dx10 people would still be getting the new 8800GTX, so why just because you won't be utilizing one part of the puzzle would you avoid getting a new generation card, cause in reality thats what your getting, consider the dx10 more of a bonus

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bornking   10-20-2006 at 07:40:53 AM
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Obviously DX10 and Vista why buy a DX10 card if your not gonna use DX10! Also Vista is gonna have a new 9.0 called 9.0L(L stands for Longhorn) which will vastly improve performance in 9.0 apps.



Just because a card is labeled DX10 doesn't mean its pointless to get it if you're only going to run DX9, all the new DX10 cards are going to be much more powerful and provide some good performance in graphic intensive games like Oblivion that needs atleast two cards to run at high res with full eye candy...

what your failing to understanad is that with dx10 there is a new generation of a cards which means a big performance increase...just cause its dx10 it doesn't really make the card an amazing card that just includes what will look like better graphics for us, but as far as raw power that is just the card/hardware not the dx10...

so its just like going from a 6600GT to a 7900GT, if there were no such thing as dx10 people would still be getting the new 8800GTX, so why just because you won't be utilizing one part of the puzzle would you avoid getting a new generation card, cause in reality thats what your getting, consider the dx10 more of a bonus

I have to agree with Xazax310, The point of buying a DX10 card is the DX10 ability...
Think about the time...not far off, and DX9 cards will still be plenty. That is why DX10 cards will be sought after for their DX10 abilities.

I undestand and no one is failing to understand the performance increase in DX9, but the cards are being sold for their novelty, and not just as a necessary hardware upgrade.

Much like Vista.

Cheers.

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Assman   10-20-2006 at 07:46:13 AM
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I have to go with IcY18 on this one,

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I undestand and no one is failing to understand the performance increase in DX9, but the cards are being sold for their novelty, and not just as a necessary hardware upgrade.

didn't you just proove he's right?!

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choknuti   10-20-2006 at 07:58:33 AM
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Are you sure the Vista will have DX9.0L? I thought that Vista will ship with DX10 (therefore there is no need for DX9.0L), and DX9.0L will be made available for Windows XP.



While DX10s will be backword compatible DX10 isn't. That's why Vista will have DX9.0L to support older games.

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davmalu369   10-20-2006 at 08:02:47 AM
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This was a comment on an article at DailyTech (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4630)

"Haha, I know whats going on. SP3 is the patch that puts DX10 in [XP]. They're just going to wait a year later to screw over about 10 million people or so, and THEN release the service pack."

Anybody else hear about anything like that?

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Assman   10-20-2006 at 08:05:10 AM
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could care less, as soon as vista is out, i'm getting a dx10, so i'll put xp behind me and pretend that i never saw it

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neocristi   10-20-2006 at 08:49:19 AM
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Get Vista and DX10 card. You know why? Cause eventually you will have no choice. At the moment there is the Microsoft monopol on the market so you have to install whatever (crap) they produce.

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mitch074   10-20-2006 at 09:53:20 AM
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...or you could switch to Linux and install Wine, which should implement DX10 over OpenGL in a not so distant future.

Crazy, eh?

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IcY18   10-23-2006 at 04:39:00 AM
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This was a comment on an article at DailyTech (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4630)

"Haha, I know whats going on. SP3 is the patch that puts DX10 in [XP]. They're just going to wait a year later to screw over about 10 million people or so, and THEN release the service pack."

Anybody else hear about anything like that?



i doubt they'll integrate dx10 into XP, that is vista's selling point and i see how that it wouldn't matter at that point since it would be so late into vista's introduction but if microsoft did that lots of people would be pissed if they had already switched to vista

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Dahak   10-23-2006 at 05:25:13 AM
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Running a dx10 card on Vista will be fine,just make sure you have 4 gigs of system ram so as not to make your system starve for memory.Goodluck.

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GeneticWeapon   10-23-2006 at 06:00:03 AM
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just make sure you have 4 gigs of system ram so as not to make your system starve for memory


Only a fukcing moron would believe that Vista needs 4 gigs of ram to run/game properly.

I've been a "legal" Vista beta tester for months, and as part of the feedback program, I've gotten to know it's requirements pretty well.

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Slobogob   10-23-2006 at 06:19:51 AM
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...or you could switch to Linux and install Wine, which should implement DX10 over OpenGL in a not so distant future.

Crazy, eh?



Yep. And probably really slow too.


I´d like to see some benchmarks of that.

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