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October 20, 2006 10:42:40 AM

Spyware and adware have have emerged as a more pervasive and insidious threat than worms and viruses, which previously ruled the highways and byways of the Internet as sources of chaos and ruin.. Without some kind of software protection in place, no one active on the Internet is safe and sound.
October 20, 2006 10:58:23 AM

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Spyware and adware have have emerged as a more pervasive and insidious threat than worms and viruses, which previously ruled the highways and byways of the Internet as sources of chaos and ruin.. Without some kind of software protection in place, no one active on the Internet is safe and sound.

watch out,
another .com.com link?
we see it again,
this is the right one:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/20/welcome_to_your_...
October 20, 2006 11:05:17 AM

And what's the best security software and hardware that we average customers can buy to protect ourself from this threat?
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October 20, 2006 11:23:32 AM

Good question. I use avast! home edition for viruses and Windows Defender for spyware/adware. Then again, I'm running Vista RC2 so I don't have much of a choice.
October 20, 2006 12:02:47 PM

funny, i never had such things like spy/ad/malware

W2k + Sygate + Firefox (NoScript) protects me perfect...perfect
October 20, 2006 12:17:27 PM

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funny, i never had such things like spy/ad/malware

W2k + Sygate + Firefox (NoScript) protects me perfect...perfect


Yeap, that's one of the safest combo for windows. But anyway, i use an even better protection when surfing: Linux instead of windows ...

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Without some kind of software protection in place, no one active on the Internet is safe and sound.


The above statement is false, that's only for windows hell. After a linux install, you can have all the "unprotected sex" you want with the internet.

MAIA
October 20, 2006 12:34:25 PM

Meh, if you want to boot back and forth be my guest. I don't want to restart my computer every 10 minutes when I decide to stop surfing the web and do something more productive.

Best Anti-spyware is would probably be Webroot Spysweeper.
Best Free Anti-spyware is Lavasoft Ad-Aware.
Best Anti-Virus is Bitdefender.
Best Firewall (and free) is ZoneAlarm.

Thats enough to protect all computers from nearly everything. A hardware firewall also helps a bunch (i.e. anything your router has). Disable UPNP always. There are also some other programs that kills some other vulnerbilities such as Windows Messenger and others. I like www.GRC.com since they have a bunch of little tools. Also security updates whenever they come out. Thats about all you can do, and all you need to do.
October 20, 2006 12:34:44 PM

Even if you don't want to go into any heavy details on programs, I think mentioning some popular spyware protection examples would be appropriate...

I use McAffee Virus Scan which chatches most of it, but I just installed the Spy Sweeper Trial and I'm pretty impressed with it. It was able to tell even when I was going a website that was full of trouble and blocked the website. (Though outright blocking the website, while protecting me seems a little overkill. It shouldn't have to do that to stop the ad/spyware, imo.)
October 20, 2006 12:50:27 PM

I'm lucky enough to have 3 machines, a machine for work, my wife's laptop, and a third machine for music, video editing, etc, all with a boatload of security software. I only use my office machine for work, purchasing on-line only from trusted sites, and financial stuff. If I'm randonly surfing, want to try new software, etc I always use the 3rd machine. While not full proof, it significantly reduces the possibility of malware on the office machine. Also before any on-line purchase or financial stuff on-line always do virus and malware scans, the lattter with Spysweeper, Adare, and Spybot Search and Destroy.
October 20, 2006 12:59:55 PM

I live in a small town and have alot of Friends/Customers that call about about Malware(if the know that have it or not) so I have become good at removing most. I use

ad-aware se ( picks up most )
Spy-bot SnD (picks up the rest), I have the tea-timer running.
AVG free
and windows defender

my XP home box is behind a router at all times.

and I have seen some infections that have rendered systems completly unusalable!

did one a couple of months ago that would take 45min - hour to boot
and took me about 8 hours of hard work with all my tools to put it right. the customer would not let me do a reinstall due to buisness data on the machine (no backups)
October 20, 2006 1:42:45 PM

Ha...that was a funny article. "The world is going to end because of spyware and we're all doomed! Want to know how to protect yourself? Too bad, I'm not telling."

WEll I imagine anyone on Tom's already knows about spyware and how to prevent/remove it so why they bothered with that article I don't know.
Anyway...I only use Firefox + Spybot + Ad-Aware...That's it. I have no anti-virus nor firewall on my computer (besides the one built into the router). I tried Windows Defender...But it never found anything that Spybot didn't soo....why have it? Thats usually the same story with Ad-Aware too...Spybot seems to find more.
At this point in time, if you just use Firefox and do a Spybot scan every day...you should be perfectly fine. I've heard good things about Spysweeper and have used the demo before....But...Have to buy it. :-(
October 20, 2006 1:43:21 PM

The biggest problem I have with add/spyware is that is can really slow me down.

Common solution: Install virus protection and 2 or 3 addware detection softwares: which will really slow me down.

My solution.
For my home use I don't use virus or add/spyware proction on my windows machine.

Instead I do 3 things.
1. Use tools that identify processes and where they come from, what started them. Learn what all of your running processes and startup apps are.

2. Don't use IE or Outlook.

3. Do frequent disc re-imaging / or reformatting. I find a good imaging / re-imaging plan works wonders . I like to have an image that I re-image and update, then save once a month. After I save an image I can always run some virus and spyware detection programs just to be safe, then remove them knowing my image is clean. But I tipicly don't bother with that.

And with a frequent imaging / restore plan it's also fun to run speed testing before and after just to compare.
October 20, 2006 1:47:24 PM

Here's another question...If u have an infected hdd/OS...Don't you just have to slave it to another computer and run spyware/virus scans on it? Usually the problems arise when viruses use processes in the background so you can't delete them normally. But if you were to slave it, its now on a different partition that your OS so it can't run its processes therefore you can simply delete them. Is this not true?

PS (Oh if I ever do get virus issues, I just goto housecall.trendmicro)
October 20, 2006 2:09:02 PM

Memo to all the Malware and Spyware programmers. Read this thread to find out what people use and program a spy to bypass so you can get your stupid adverts seen! Huzzah!

Ad-Aware, Check. Firefox, Check (hehe, this one has been on the list for awhile! Finally we have conclusive evidence people use it!!!) Windows Defender, Check.
October 20, 2006 2:14:05 PM

Screw windows defender. There are much better free software out there.

I guess my own personal software firewall is redundant with the hardware router firewall, but I'm running a laptop so when I connect elsewhere its a lot more useful.

Adware and spyware are the biggest problem. Hopefully IE7 will fix a lot of it. I'll give Firefox 2.0 a shot also and see how it is. People are going to start targeting Firefox more and more, so it's going to lose part of its secuirty allure from IE...
October 20, 2006 2:26:58 PM

Screw windows, there is much better free software out there. Linux.

Reimaging is fun and easy? You need your brains examined.

Bill Gates has you all brain washed, slap, slap, WAKE UP!!!

I have run Ubuntu for 2 years without any antivirus and have never had a problem. I have never reimaged. Dump WinBlows and get a real operating system.
October 20, 2006 2:29:22 PM

Because you know Windows is soooooo evil, Bill Gates just wants to ruin your lives by forcing you into becoming clones to do his evil bidding. Sh!t man I like Linux as much as the next person, yeah it's a great open source OS but that doesn't mean Windows is tripe. I'm sick of fan boys like you.
October 20, 2006 2:34:48 PM

Me too. If you can make a better OS, than do son. Otherwise, stop bitching and complaining. Windows is a perfectly fine OS, gets things done for nearly every consumer out there. Yes, there are lots of holes and problems with it, but what is ever perfect? (Except for Zelda: Ocarina of time... that game is synonymous with perfection)

I'm not a big Windows fan, but I'm a fan of, if it works, good for it, I'll use it. If something is better, than I'll switch. But so far, nothing even comes close.
October 20, 2006 3:08:29 PM

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Me too. If you can make a better OS, than do son. Otherwise, stop bitching and complaining. Windows is a perfectly fine OS, gets things done for nearly every consumer out there. Yes, there are lots of holes and problems with it, but what is ever perfect? (Except for Zelda: Ocarina of time... that game is synonymous with perfection)

I'm not a big Windows fan, but I'm a fan of, if it works, good for it, I'll use it. If something is better, than I'll switch. But so far, nothing even comes close.


I have to agree, people always compalin about Microsoft and the bigger companies. Sure there are other companies that do the same things, there has to be. If one company puts out a product its only a matter of time till another one puts something similar out to rival it. So windows is not 100% perfect, not many software programs or hardware are. I use IE 6 as IE 7 is taking some getting used to. I have windows Defender and spybot and Lavasofts ad-ware scanner thing. I uses avast as my Virus scanner. I have had no problems with my machine. Just to make sure i have installed other software of these types to check and they have never found anything. Back to the previous poster as they said if you can make a better OS do it, if not shut up. I have been using windows since 3.1 and some DOS before that. Sure there are issues, with software there are always issues. But i am not about to change to something else. Why? I trust Microsoft, yes shocking but true. I have 15 years of experience using their products and im happy with them.
October 20, 2006 3:40:27 PM

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funny, i never had such things like spy/ad/malware

W2k + Sygate + Firefox (NoScript) protects me perfect...perfect


Oooo. A walk in the garden, smiling and innocent, just waiting for a big, bad snake to rear up its head and bite. Never say never. You just don't know what's lurking in the background that you haven't seen yet.
October 20, 2006 3:58:58 PM

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funny, i never had such things like spy/ad/malware

W2k + Sygate + Firefox (NoScript) protects me perfect...perfect


Yeap, that's one of the safest combo for windows. But anyway, i use an even better protection when surfing: Linux instead of windows ...

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Without some kind of software protection in place, no one active on the Internet is safe and sound.


The above statement is false, that's only for windows hell. After a linux install, you can have all the "unprotected sex" you want with the internet.

MAIA

Another garden walker. Either you have just been lucky and haven't been bitten yet, or you got bit and don't know it. There is no[/u] safe OS for internet use.

I used to think in a similar way. Then someone managed to break into my system and steal my credit card number. Fortunately, the credit card company and the companies that sold the products didn't hold me responsible for a cent, but I learned my lesson. A firewall went in place, plus Ad-Aware, Windows Defender when it became available (Defender found and repaired about half a dozen problems when installed) and Spybot.

And for you Linux people, keep in mind that Linux is just a branch of Unix, and there are Unix problems out there which can migrate to Linux. Nothing is perfect, and if you think you found something perfect, then a malware writer may take you down just for the challenge.
a b ) Power supply
October 20, 2006 4:24:59 PM

I run Zonealarm Pro, SpySweeper and BitDefender (XP OS) and have had few problems. AVG, LavaSoft, SpyBot S&D and every other free program I have tested miss lots. None of them are 100% and never will be. the best defense is avoid obvious risky sites (porn etal.), use the preview feature of your email client to view before opening and never accept attachments from unknow sources. Some spy/add ware issues can only be resolved by a reformat and reinstall of the entire system. The tools we use today are scanner based and depend upon the OS being able to accuratly report what is present on the drive. RootKits showed the weakness of this approach. We need to be able to scan the system from a virtual scanner without the OS being active. In the end the best situation is not to get infected in the first place.
October 20, 2006 4:47:50 PM

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Screw windows, there is much better free software out there. Linux.

Reimaging is fun and easy? You need your brains examined.

Bill Gates has you all brain washed, slap, slap, WAKE UP!!!

I have run Ubuntu for 2 years without any antivirus and have never had a problem. I have never reimaged. Dump WinBlows and get a real operating system.
Linux+Gaming = No good
October 20, 2006 4:49:48 PM

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I run Zonealarm Pro, SpySweeper and BitDefender (XP OS) and have had few problems. AVG, LavaSoft, SpyBot S&D and every other free program I have tested miss lots. None of them are 100% and never will be. the best defense is avoid obvious risky sites (porn etal.), use the preview feature of your email client to view before opening and never accept attachments from unknow sources. Some spy/add ware issues can only be resolved by a reformat and reinstall of the entire system. The tools we use today are scanner based and depend upon the OS being able to accuratly report what is present on the drive. RootKits showed the weakness of this approach. We need to be able to scan the system from a virtual scanner without the OS being active. In the end the best situation is not to get infected in the first place.


Looks like you've got some good stuff there. You're right, all the programs will miss some, that's why its nice to use a combination of programs. What one misses, another might detect. Avoiding questionable sites (porn or whatever) is also a good way of cutting down the risks. Would be nice to never get infected in the first place, but these days, that's getting difficult.
a c 104 ) Power supply
October 20, 2006 4:53:51 PM

In 2004, US companies wasted (as opposed to "spent") nine billion dollars fighting spam.
These problems will continue as long as the creators and distributers of viruses, spam, adware, spyware, etc. can go on thinking it is a game.
An individual is innocent until proven guilty, but the last things a convicted malware purveyor needs to hear is a buzzer and a game-show-host style voice announcing "GAME OVER!"; assuming that the brain would have been sufficiently scrambled by a single large caliber round to be unable to perceive the sound of the shot. That would permanently deter one, and give second thoughts to others. Those living in other countries (particularly where there is not a death sentence), after conviction in absentia, would be good practice targets for covert agents. If the host country complains, cut off ALL internet traffic from that country to the USA until sufficient action has been taken.

Personnally, I protect my systems with a hardware firewall, McAfee anti-virus, and Spybot S&D. I've managed to stay clean, but at work I've encountered lots of problems with people who've loaded who knows what.

Among the most common offenders are Yahoo and Weatherbug, and I used to see a lot of "Bonzi-buddy."
October 20, 2006 6:19:51 PM

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Screw windows, there is much better free software out there. Linux.

Reimaging is fun and easy? You need your brains examined.

Bill Gates has you all brain washed, slap, slap, WAKE UP!!!

I have run Ubuntu for 2 years without any antivirus and have never had a problem. I have never reimaged. Dump WinBlows and get a real operating system.

I am really tired of you free OS fanboys spamming the forum! So what if Windows has security problems? Windows users don't care! That's what restore discs are for. Most users don't do file management anyways and a good format and restore cleans out all their unused files and programs making Windows squeaky clean and fast. If something gets lost because they didn't back it up then it probably wasn't that important anyways. No different than a hard-drive failure. Windows doesn't have to be secure out-of-the-box. If you want security you subscribe to OneCare or buy protection from one of the professional security companies. If average computer users really wanted security they would be using BSD, correct? Isn't that what the Mac uses? You don't see millions of people switching to Macs because of security. It's because of the iPod and Apple's superior branding. Selling Windows separate from the security lets users with the technical know-how to deal with security problems save a buck or two. It's not meant for the average user. I think that OneCare should always be sold with Windows and come with PCs in stores. It should cost MORE to get Windows without OneCare so that only the professional developers who need to will buy it. Just like fat-free food costs more than the plain stuff.

You zealot hobbyist programmers are all communist dreamers and don't contribute anything to the economy. Symantec alone employs over 15,000 people. They even offer anti-virus for Linux! And why would they bother supporting Linux? Because they don't want Linux computers giving viruses to Windows like the Linux.Simile virus! And nobody cares if your OS will run on a toaster. New Windows releases make people buy new PCs which keep computer stores in business and provides jobs to millions of salespeople and technicians. It doesn't matter to me if Vista costs more and is mostly eye candy, I LIKE EYE CANDY! Nor does it mean anything that your 10-year old *nix web server still runs fine without any updates. There are still fools running DOS as well and there aren't any new exploits for it either. Microsoft can't afford to spend millions on supporting old OSes like they did with Windows 98. Online activation and updates give them a good way to force the cheapskates to upgrade by simply disabling the old OS at it's End-Of-Life and preventing them from activating new installs.

You rant and rave about "DRM this" and "phone-home that" because you are all pirates and don't like having to pay for the games you play and the movies you watch. I don't care if the DRM-protected stuff won't transfer to a new PC because by the time I buy a new PC I'll be bored with the old stuff anyways. You complain that non-physical digital media costs more than CDs or DVDs but you don't take into account paying for gas to drive to the store or the shipping costs of the latter. Even if it is more - thats simply the price you pay for convenience, just like buying a soda at a gas station costs more than at a grocery store.

Crawl back to your techno-bunker and take your penguins and devils with you.
October 20, 2006 7:04:27 PM

I still maintain the best anti-<whatever> software is between your ears.

The only firewall I have is my linksys router. Ive been online since 1993. The one time I tried to run an anti-virus program it screwed up my laptop. to the point of re-loading the OS. Since then, I dont run any virus software or adaware or whatever.

Simple rules of "dont go there" when it comes to questionabl sites works. and works well.

Mrgreen371 outlines the rest of it.
Although I do use IE - im careful as to what sites get visited. But outlook is a definate no-no.


but above all the attitude of "im running av software, I can go anywhere!" .. is what gets people bit by new viruses.
October 20, 2006 7:19:08 PM

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Memo to all the Malware and Spyware programmers. Read this thread to find out what people use and program a spy to bypass so you can get your stupid adverts seen! Huzzah!

Ad-Aware, Check. Firefox, Check (hehe, this one has been on the list for awhile! Finally we have conclusive evidence people use it!!!) Windows Defender, Check.


Natecannon... one security mechanism no one has listed yet... COMMON SENSE!!! Armed with that... most users would have little to worry about.

*edit* Damnit! Someone did just mention it right before I posted this.
October 20, 2006 7:21:24 PM

so for my part i have a m0n0wall edge firewall

a home domain setup for enforcing security polices ... on any less savy home network users (points in general direction of teh fiance...damn it woman stop clicking on stuff :D  )


umm oh right were was i.....

so I use spyware blaster and spybot search and destroy and windows defender.

along with Avast antivirus and sysgate PF


and using Firefox... plus getting the others in the house using FF == no malware problems for a looong time now.
October 20, 2006 7:25:40 PM

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" If the host country complains, cut off ALL internet traffic from that country to the USA until sufficient action has been taken."


WTF? Are you actually thinking before typing, or is your computer infected with a Stupid.NoIdeaHowInternetWorks.UberHick.worm32 and does the posting for you.

1) Your idea is as moronic as the death penalty.
I'll make this as plain and simple as can be:
Country A is blocked from the USA.
Person from country A sends his "work" to person from counrty B.
Person from country B spreads it to the USA.
WOW!

2) Don't speak as if spam or any malware is a problem the USA needs to wage a war against. (GWB: "We are now in a war against malware. Bring it ON!"
October 20, 2006 7:57:39 PM

The best solution to this is to find the people who spread this shit around, walk them out back, and terminate them with prejudice.

If I had my way, every person who wrote a virus or attempted to get shit on my computer without my person would die a horrible death. My computer is like my house, some guy comes in without asking me, he can be sure he'll be gone minus a couple gallons of blood...

On a less ranting more sane note, the situation really is getting out of hand. I really believe there should be harsher penalities induced to people who write viruses or try to hijack our computers. If someone hijacks a car, they get so many years in prison, pay a fine, whatever. Someone hijacks a comp, they probably get a slap on the wrist at best (unless its a government computer, and then they disappear). I would say the best way to deter crime would be to slap a penalty so hard on it that no one would even think of doing it...

/How nice it would be to legally shoot anyone who cuts you off or tailgates you...
a c 104 ) Power supply
October 20, 2006 8:02:05 PM

The intent is that it would be financially excruciating, motivating the target of sanctions to deal with the problem; do you have a better idea to eliminate (not merely "fight," which is a waste) malware?

FWIW, I am familiar with IP routing. Spoofing is an issue, but there are technical solutions for that.

The sad part is that "fighting," rather than eliminating, malware is a lucrative business.

Just ask yourself the questions: "Whose interests does this serve," and "Whose interests do we want to serve?" Hopefully that will lead to a better answer.
October 20, 2006 8:33:10 PM

In the spirit of your posts: Shoot all Americans as most spam comes from the U.S. Therefore shooting all Americans should stop most spam.
October 20, 2006 8:35:18 PM

All the viruses come from Asia... nuke Asia?

Wait, they already have North Korea... can't see how it can get any worse...
a c 104 ) Power supply
October 20, 2006 9:01:28 PM

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In the spirit of your posts: Shoot all Americans as most spam comes from the U.S. Therefore shooting all Americans should stop most spam.


I had hoped to avoid responses of this sort by specifying that an individual is innocent until proven guilty, so only after conviction, would the "Game Over" sentence be carried out.

You're not a spammer, nor are your friends, family, and associates, so would that solution not serve your interests?

If it sounds a little harsh, well then my suggestion is DON'T SPAM!
Wow, I know that's quite a concept, but I don't doubt the ability of THG's Forumz readers to understand it.
October 20, 2006 9:04:48 PM

I have maintained windows computers for over 10 years now. If you sit behind a good residential gateway and are not a fool you will have very few problems. Using a web mail program like gmail or yahoo can also reduce the risk.

Otherwise killing everyone or getting rid of your computer will eliminate all risk.


As far as linux, it is a nice OS for those that want something on that level of complexity, but it isn't for everyone. IE a stock car makes for a great racer, but a lousy everyday drive. When linux has 10+ years behind it as a graphical OS maybe then it will have the usability that we expect from windows or macs.
October 20, 2006 9:27:03 PM

Can we up the discussion tone a bit please?

I run behind a router, I have Windows Defender and that's it. You are more at risk for spyware than viruses thanks to anti-virus software provided by most email providers. I just don't do stupid stuff (most of the time.)

I wish I could find anti-virus software I can stand - they are all resource hogs, Norton especially has caused problems - sometimes you just can't uninstall it.

I screwed my wife's laptop once trying to download a keygen. That'll teach me. Took me 3 hours and a lot of reg hacks to fix it, but I did it.
October 20, 2006 9:35:31 PM

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In 2004, US companies wasted (as opposed to "spent") nine billion dollars fighting spam.
These problems will continue as long as the creators and distributers of viruses, spam, adware, spyware, etc. can go on thinking it is a game.
An individual is innocent until proven guilty, but the last things a convicted malware purveyor needs to hear is a buzzer and a game-show-host style voice announcing "GAME OVER!"; assuming that the brain would have been sufficiently scrambled by a single large caliber round to be unable to perceive the sound of the shot. That would permanently deter one, and give second thoughts to others. Those living in other countries (particularly where there is not a death sentence), after conviction in absentia, would be good practice targets for covert agents. If the host country complains, cut off ALL internet traffic from that country to the USA until sufficient action has been taken.

Personnally, I protect my systems with a hardware firewall, McAfee anti-virus, and Spybot S&D. I've managed to stay clean, but at work I've encountered lots of problems with people who've loaded who knows what.

Among the most common offenders are Yahoo and Weatherbug, and I used to see a lot of "Bonzi-buddy."


~90% of spam originates FROM the US... CANSpam = cancel spam convictions...

I forget what percentage of spyware comes from US, but it's over 50%.

US is a major part of the problem, not any part of the cure. So go on in your ignorant bliss, ignore this.
a c 104 ) Power supply
October 20, 2006 10:02:30 PM

If it comes from the US, then by all means convict and execute those responsible. I don't care where they are.
"Can Spam" was just an effort by elected parasites to make themselves appear important and useful. I will believe that people are taking the waste of billions of dollars seriously when they start eliminating the spammers, not playing their "duck the filter" games.
October 20, 2006 10:03:23 PM

Hiy all... new to this forum "1st post" pleased to meet you all

My own personal take on this situation is that as long as there is a way to exploit something there will always be exploitees (not sure if this word ever existed!!!) making money from redirected website hits, or advert pop-up's, or simply notoriety for making the best spyware/malware (obviously wanting to be the new programmers of the apps your using to stop these people in the first place!) they will be there poised for action.

This also applies to walking down the street and being ripped off by the drinks promoter outside a bar with his 2 for 1 offer (Drinks three times the normal price obviously).

Common sense is the answer. don't open attachments from unfamiliar email addresses, don't download software you've never heard of without checking it out (forums GOOGLE word of mouth) and definately don't believe anything that sound to good to be true.

All software has it's downfalls:- performance, compatibility, ease of use and highest on the list affectiveness.

For me I sit behind a hardware SPI Firewall, I use plain old windows firewall on workstations with NOD32 Anti virus and the highly recommended
CA Pest Patrol for spyware/Adware.
October 21, 2006 1:44:54 AM

Well we haven't had an Apple OS asshat yet so I haven't hit the trifecta of internet OS dumbassery. Dang.

Back on topic: It would have been nice if the article was, well, more helpful instead of just saying "there are bad things out there and here's what they are called". Advising of some countermeasures would help the newbie who hits the artticle after a search.

As for myself, I have a hardware router and use NIS and run occaisonal scans for spyware/adware on both of the home machines, and keep the updates fresh on the scanners and firewall and OS. This helps a lot against attacks and mistakes, but what really helps is teh fact I educated my wife on downloads and e-mail attachments. Now when wshe's in doubt she asks me. It's a lot easier for her to know what to do than for me to clean up the mess.
October 21, 2006 4:22:09 AM

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If it comes from the US, then by all means convict and execute those responsible. I don't care where they are.
"Can Spam" was just an effort by elected parasites to make themselves appear important and useful. I will believe that people are taking the waste of billions of dollars seriously when they start eliminating the spammers, not playing their "duck the filter" games.


DAMN SON, CHILL THE FREAK OUT.

Some things to get straight, 30 minutes and a clean reinstall later EVERYTHING IS BETER THEN BEFORE.
30 minutes after you get your smashed up car back from the impound lot, isn't.

Its your fault if you didn't back-up, because hardware fails and the OS will crap on itself when given a chance.

Morons like you should be shot, your only polluting the population.

Your extreme ideas and opinions go down the freaking crapper as soon as they are examined. If there were no bad guys millions would lose their jobs, and the economy would collapse in an instant, mankind will suffer to the extremes afterwards.

Its a nice thought if there weren't any "bad" guys, but that's what makes individuals what they are. Some view a crackhead as the plague of the society, others will view him as a distressed helpless human being.
Just like the world views you like a freaking moron, I view you as one also.

Be it hard for you to understand, but you should have been shot the first time you lied to your parents because that alone could be set as an example to all the other kids, don't lie to your parents. Sorry but I don't believe that stealing someones credit-card number and making some money to feed oneself should result in an execution. Punishment should be given, but knowing that the standard for killing a man is not capital punishment, but is finely divided into categories. Only the most hideous of the crimes will be given the OPTION to consider the death penalty, because before that you could just get 25 to life, and even less. Indeed, how can killing a man compare to writing spyware for fun or profit? That's absurd. Even so, its not as absurd as thinking that society has morons like you crawling around spewing shit from their big mouth.


Learn to live along other human beings just like we learned to adapt and live among your moron kind. And put yourself in the other shoes, because you cannot seriously mean what you are saying, even for a moron.
October 21, 2006 8:31:23 AM

Separating C for programs and D for data, apply DeepFreeze.

No more malware ever that will survive a reboot.

I like Firefox and Kerio. For AV I recommend NOD32, it is even better than Kaspersky.
October 21, 2006 4:37:17 PM

Man, these <insert something stupid> 101 articles are getting funnier and funnier every new article. Funnier still, is 50% of the posts here related to said articles.

Now, to the Linux jockey who says hes been using Ubuntu for two years without a virus, guess what, I've been using Windows AND linux for 7+ years, without viruses on either. Any OS is only as good as that thing that sits between the keyboard and chair, if you dont know wtf you're doing in windows, then yes, PLEASE do stay with Linux (or give us a call, we only charge $50/hr to fix said issues)

Anyhow, I run XP pro, without any AV / Spyware applications installed period. The best way to scan (assuming you need to do so to begin with), is from a remote system, Keychain memory stick, or a Live CD (Erd 200x is my personal prefference for Windows based machines). If you're truely smart enough, knowing how many processes you run at all times, and how to google will fix most problems 99% of the time. The real fun begins when you run into ADS, or rootkits.
October 21, 2006 5:31:51 PM

Hi just wondering why not many people use recovery cards like myself. It takes a clean install to setup but once setup properly, you can do whatever you want to the computer, then with a reboot and a hit of 2 buttons you can restore back to your clean last backed up state(takes 1 second). That way you can try any software you please and still come clean if it stuffs up. For me it works everytime. Ofcourse you'd need to backup now and then. But thats an advantage as you keep building up a library of reliable software.

To have an extra clean super fast system:
1) restore first to your previous clean state
2) install your software that you are sure haven't given any problems and that you're happy with
3) install windows updates
4) then defrag before
5) back up(takes 10min).

Now you'd smile every time when malware/adware takes over as your still in control.

If you a laptop user then you'd have to use software instead and backup your system as an image. Does take longer though to restore but well worth the trouble!
October 21, 2006 5:55:52 PM

Quote:
Screw windows, there is much better free software out there. Linux.

Reimaging is fun and easy? You need your brains examined.

Bill Gates has you all brain washed, slap, slap, WAKE UP!!!

I have run Ubuntu for 2 years without any antivirus and have never had a problem. I have never reimaged. Dump WinBlows and get a real operating system.


Have fun trying to find drivers and software.
October 22, 2006 1:30:38 AM

:twisted: yep its almost as bad as trying to read a hevey and indept article on toms hardware without getting distracted by moving pictures and adds in between article parragrahs
Across the top and down the side fine but right smack in the middle of an article slotted between two parragraphs

As for the maleware, addware it is just getting too out of control, not too long ago we only had to re-install a fresh Widows to get out all the bugs and free loads mybe once or twice a year but i know people who download of the internet that much that they are haveing to do a compleat reinstall 1/4 yearly because of all the conflicking addware, freeware, and crap that gets deposited and installed

Question will : will the next Microsoft windows with its BIG brother Im watching you valadation serial no keeping everyone honest programs stop some of the add invasion ? :twisted:
October 22, 2006 1:35:31 AM

I have used a variety of free and commercial spyware scanners and the one I think is both fastest and most effective is the CA product - Pest Patrol. I use their enterprise AV product at work and I think it is very versatile & effective.
October 22, 2006 12:33:31 PM

Patrick - the link is dead!
October 22, 2006 10:23:49 PM

My solution is surf the net with my old CP/M... woo hoo.
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