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October 21, 2006 12:33:48 AM

This is going to be my first build. I haven't kept up with computer hardware in the last couple of years.

I'd like to spend about 2 grand including 19"+ Monitor. All other accessories I already have.

Any suggestions on builds is greatly appreciated.
October 21, 2006 12:51:33 AM

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This is going to be my first build. I haven't kept up with computer hardware in the last couple of years.

I'd like to spend about 2 grand including 19"+ Monitor. All other accessories I already have.

Any suggestions on builds is greatly appreciated.


Welcome to THG. You are new here, so I will restrain lol.

This post is useless. There is no direction on what you want to system to do, what you perfer, or if you have read the 2,366,000 other threads like this one.

Please post more information if you want help.
October 21, 2006 1:21:19 AM

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This is going to be my first build. I haven't kept up with computer hardware in the last couple of years.

I'd like to spend about 2 grand including 19"+ Monitor. All other accessories I already have.

Any suggestions on builds is greatly appreciated.


Welcome to THG. You are new here, so I will restrain lol.

This post is useless. There is no direction on what you want to system to do, what you perfer, or if you have read the 2,366,000 other threads like this one.

Please post more information if you want help.

Sorry about that, reading over my inital post I really should have included more info :oops: 

I know I definently want to use the Intel Core 2 duo. Not really sure what speed, perhaps a suggestion to keep me up to par for a while.

Im split between ATI ang Nvidia for the GPU and can I get some opinions on dual vs single.

I definently want at least 2 gigs of ram. Seems like corsair is the way to go but if you have other suggestions.

HD does not have to be huge. Just something decent that is fast enough.

I have no clue on cooling systems any help there.

I mainly want a computer that can handle High end games and be able to multi task with no hang ups.
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October 21, 2006 1:36:27 AM

basically c2d e6600, ati x1950xtx, 2gb ram, a gigabyte mobo for 150$, some other input devices, windoz, and a 20 inch samsung monitor for 289.99. add shipping and some optical and hard drives and then u have a great pc!
October 21, 2006 1:57:16 AM

Core 2 duo e6600(also i suggest you wait for quad)
Gigabyte ds3
Corsair ddr2 533 or 800 if overclocking
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS
Antec Performance I P180
Scythe SCINF-1000 120mm if not overclocking then stock is fine
OCZ GameXStream 700w
get like a 7600gt for now and upgrade when dx comes out

I think it should fit in 2000 and monitor i dont know.

ONe of the best system you could practically get right now.
October 21, 2006 2:02:13 AM

I by no means claim to know what I am talking about... or... well, kind of i do but whatever...


I looked at the VGA Charts here on THG, i think specifically it was the article on the Geforce 7950 (The SLI-In-One) and it showed the GeForce 7900GTX (nVidia's equivilent to the x1900) outpreformed the x1900 on most games.... im going to see if i can find the link just to be sure though.

And if i remember right they cost roughly the same too so... yea, personally I'd go with the GeForce (which i did, or am at least planning to in my build topic)
October 21, 2006 1:54:02 PM
October 21, 2006 4:21:59 PM

I would suggest you invest in 2 Gig of RAM. This is what I bought for my rig

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

And dont worry too much about DX10 for the next one year or so, unless you have some serious cash to throw around. Couple of reasons why.

1. Vista, the OS which is part of all this DX10 hype is going to take a while to stabilize after release. And nobody knows when it will be released!

2. The hardware to support DX 10 is yet to be released. And when it comes, it will be high end for atleast some time. Suggest you compare the prices of the X1900XT with what it was a few months ago, and you will understand my point.

It will be a long time before prices for DX10 hardware become realistic enough.

Of course, if you have cash to throw around, it is a different story :) 
October 22, 2006 12:20:37 AM

Do not listen to anyone here pushing you to buy 7600GT. Take it from me, I bought mine back in March and it has suited me well but in the next six months to a year there are going to be games coming out that this card just cannot handle.

Here is the best deal on Newegg right now, without a doubt, grab it now...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

However, with that being said. My real advice to you is to wait a couple of weeks and buy either a 8800 GTX or 8800GTS being launched by Nvidia on November 7th. It will cost you a few extra hundred dollars but it will be worth. Good luck!
October 22, 2006 1:53:06 AM

Personally if i had $2000 i would get :

Case - $68.99+$16.11= $85.10
Thermaltake Swing VB6000BWS Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133172

Motherboard - $109.99+$6.41=$116.40
ASUS P5NSLI Socket T (LGA 775) NVIDIA nForce 570
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131032

Graphics card - $319.99+$6.13=$326.12
XFX GeForce 7950GT 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150189

CPU - $315.00+$0=$315
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003

2 X HDD - $135.98+$11.28=$147.26
WD 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144309

RAM - $217.99+$4.99=$222.98
pqii TURBO 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820141211

PSU - $99.99+$7.64=$107.63
(ASPIRE) 680W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817148019

Monitor - $274.99+$14.11=$289.10
SCEPTRE X20WC-Gamer Black 20.1" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112003

Optical Drive - $31.99+$6.13=$38.12
LITE-ON Black DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827106013

TOTAL = $1648 (i think)
October 22, 2006 6:19:59 AM

I dont feel like clicking all those links in your last post. So please post the parts names. I will give you the ultimate $/performance recommendations.
October 22, 2006 1:20:00 PM
October 22, 2006 3:03:42 PM

The card GooeyKat linked is a great deal and will buy you more time before upgrading to a DX10 card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Either path you chose is a good choice though. Either save $70 now getting the GT and you'll buy a dx10 card sooner. Or spend the extra $70 now getting the XT and delay the purchase of a DX10 card until the 2nd gen comes out.
October 22, 2006 3:31:33 PM

Good, good. My suggestions:

The DQ6 is an amazing board that allows really agressive voltages changes. Excellent choice on that.

Get only 600W (yes itll allow DX10). 700W is terribly overkill, your setup isnt consuming more than 400W.

Get this modules instead (if you can spare for them). They use the same chips as Corsair and outperform them for cheaper.

I would get either a 12x10 or a 16x12 monitor. But thats just me and my hate for widescreen resolutions :) 

Swap that HSF for the Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro. Will run circles around what youve picked.

If you think you can come up with a significant amount of money in a few months (for anotehr 1GB stick and DX10) then only go for one but ild suggest 2GB.
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
October 22, 2006 5:37:26 PM

It will take only one DVD movie in HD format or one session wide-screen gaming with a program like MS Flight Simulator X to convince you widescreen LCD is the only way to fly.
Are you interested in HD TV or TV PVR (personal video recorder) on your PC? Record TV programs while you're away for later viewing, etc.

If you have access to CostCo stores in your area you can get that monitor for $229.99 and no rebate required. Sceptre 20" Widescreen DVI LCD
October 22, 2006 10:21:59 PM

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It will take only one DVD movie in HD format or one session wide-screen gaming with a program like MS Flight Simulator X to convince you widescreen LCD is the only way to fly.

The mans got good arguments..
October 22, 2006 10:51:57 PM

Sure 600W can handle a 8800GTS paired up with 2GB DDR2 RAM and E6600?
October 23, 2006 2:21:40 AM

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Sure 600W can handle a 8800GTS paired up with 2GB DDR2 RAM and E6600?

Definetly. :) 
October 24, 2006 7:36:35 PM

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The card GooeyKat linked is a great deal and will buy you more time before upgrading to a DX10 card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Either path you chose is a good choice though. Either save $70 now getting the GT and you'll buy a dx10 card sooner. Or spend the extra $70 now getting the XT and delay the purchase of a DX10 card until the 2nd gen comes out.


I'm sorry, but I can't follow that link anymore. What was the name of this card?
October 24, 2006 8:02:51 PM

SAPPHIRE 100189L Radeon X1900GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 (RoHS) CrossFire Video Card - Retail

Not a bad deal for $200

or the X1900XT for $275. I'd prefer the cheaper route as it should be enough to hold you over for a while until next gen cards come out(assuming you want something better than the 7600GT).
October 24, 2006 9:03:35 PM

Thanks for the info.

I'm looking to build a new system myself. I don't know if this is a fair question or even a good benchmark, but will the system posted above be able to play Elder Scrolls Oblivion at the highest graphics setting?

Thanks!
October 24, 2006 9:09:05 PM

which system? the one he is deciding on or the one i recommended with all the links and cash? if his, i dont think so, or atl least not on all high settings.
but the one i recommended would definitely be able to handle everything on oblivion on high
October 24, 2006 10:37:14 PM

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which system? the one he is deciding on or the one i recommended with all the links and cash? if his, i dont think so, or atl least not on all high settings.
but the one i recommended would definitely be able to handle everything on oblivion on high


Thanks oinky! Using your system, what do you think the bottleneck would be and how would you improve it? Sorry for the questions, I've not built my own system in about 5 years and haven't a clue as to what the new hardware is like.
October 24, 2006 10:41:37 PM

No offense to onikypig but my setup would be more stable, with more potential and alot better on the long run.
October 24, 2006 10:58:45 PM

How so? What is your set up?
October 25, 2006 12:33:16 AM

Even the high end graphics cards today have a tough time handling Oblivion at the highest settings. Ati fairs better over Nvidia when it comes to Oblivion. The next gen cards coming out should handle Oblivion alot better.
October 25, 2006 12:50:27 AM

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which system? the one he is deciding on or the one i recommended with all the links and cash? if his, i dont think so, or atl least not on all high settings.
but the one i recommended would definitely be able to handle everything on oblivion on high


No current system can handle that. It might handle things at 1024x768 on high.
October 25, 2006 2:15:17 AM

using my system? well there really is no "bottleneck", everything i placed was top of the line. But if i had to pick one id probably choose the Gpu over anything else. i chose the geforce 7950 gt because it has a reasonable price and is a very good performer. if u wanted to sped $100-150 more dollars(mullah) you could get the geforce 7950 GTX, 8800 GTX(GDDR3), or the X1950 XTX(GDDR4). Really i am an ATI fanboy, but id like to see a comparison between the 8800GTX and the X1950 XTX before making a decision
October 25, 2006 3:06:08 AM

If you get a 2x1GB kit, it'll be cheaper than getting 2 1GB sticks of RAM.

I have the Viewsonic VX2235wm. It's 22" of LCD bliss. Got it for $299 at Costco. I'd try to get a 22" widescreen if it will fit your budget.

Everything else looks great.
October 25, 2006 8:18:18 AM

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How so? What is your set up?

Read my posts and the ones ive replied to.
October 25, 2006 4:49:08 PM

Man, so many things to consider! Is there some sort of noobie walkthrough, talking about the latest components and how everything is supposed to flow??

I really appreciate the help, fellas, but I feel I need to start at some source to build up my head knowledge before I go out and buy.
October 25, 2006 6:11:47 PM

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Man, so many things to consider! Is there some sort of noobie walkthrough, talking about the latest components and how everything is supposed to flow??

I really appreciate the help, fellas, but I feel I need to start at some source to build up my head knowledge before I go out and buy.

Tell me your budget, what youll do with it, and how far you wanna OC.
My recommendations come from a long road of reviews, reports and results gathered all around.
October 25, 2006 6:28:31 PM

In my opinion the 7600GT doesn't fit in this high-end configuration. In games, it will seriously bottleneck the system. Aim instead for a X1900XT 256MB. As someone said earlier, cut down on the PSU (700W is overkill) and invest the money on a better video card.

Of course it depends what you want to do with the system, which you still didn't make clear. For gaming the 7600GT doesn't fit the rest of the configuration.

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I'm looking to build a new system myself. I don't know if this is a fair question or even a good benchmark, but will the system posted above be able to play Elder Scrolls Oblivion at the highest graphics setting?
No, because of the mid-range video card. For high performance in Oblivion you want a X19xx card; the X1900XT 256MB is probably the best value.
October 25, 2006 7:22:58 PM

7900 GTO gfx card by evga is a must, 650mhz core 1320 mem

im running 700/1550
i only have one :(  BUT i will get another go into sli after xmas, i got no plans to update my rig *(it was also my first rig hand built!)*

i spent 1400
on
-1gb ddr2 800 by gskill, i got it running speeds of 942ddr2

-baught a 2.2ghz dual core am2 socket pc running at 2.6, i went upto 3.0 but i dont need that much performance but was very stable whit my air zalman cooler

-160gb SATAII hd

and running it on a 590 sli chipset whit foxconns mobo

heres the links

GFX Card : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

MotherBoard:
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681...

DDR2 Ram:
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...

Good Case by NZXT, case temp @ 36c all air good cooling if u think how much i got in here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Harddrive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

FREAKING GREAT CPU COOLER 34c avrg whit a 2.6 oc winsord!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...

CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Good Cheap PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

19'' widescreen
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
October 25, 2006 9:33:42 PM

SLI wont proove more than 15% improovement in your setup. Get anotehr 1GB stick instead.
There are much better coolers than the Zalman for the price.

EDIT: 1000th post :D 
October 25, 2006 9:33:56 PM

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Man, so many things to consider! Is there some sort of noobie walkthrough, talking about the latest components and how everything is supposed to flow??

I really appreciate the help, fellas, but I feel I need to start at some source to build up my head knowledge before I go out and buy.

Tell me your budget, what youll do with it, and how far you wanna OC.
My recommendations come from a long road of reviews, reports and results gathered all around.

Thanks rwaritsdario. This computer will predominantly be used for gaming. I don't know how else to explain it, but I would like to enjoy my games without the stuttering frames. I'm sure many others will agree, but I'd so like to play Oblivion without having to move the graphics quality to "low" :p .

I will also be using this desktop for work, so multitasking is a must.

As for the pricetag, I'd like to keep it under $3,000 including the monitor.

Thanks again fellas.
October 25, 2006 9:42:27 PM

How far do you want to OC? At what resolutions do you want to play at?
October 25, 2006 11:12:24 PM

I'm guessing OC means overclocking. With that statement, I guess it's clear that I have no idea how to OC :p . I'd rather not OC at all, if possible.

As for resolution, I currently have a 1900 X 1200 17" widescreen, but I'd like to move up to a 22" wide.

Thanks again!
October 25, 2006 11:57:42 PM

E6700

2GB of DDR2 533 (or 667 if its cheaper)

The 975X mobo of your choice. Or wait for 680i and RD600 if you can.

Raptor X for windows and games
7200.10 for everything else

OCZ GameXstream 700W

Wait for 8800GTX in a couple of weeks

The case of your choice. I rather 120mm fans because they more more air and are quieter.

Search on newegg or google everything that you dont know of. Ask me personally if youve got any doubts.
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
October 26, 2006 12:10:25 AM

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As for resolution, I currently have a 1900 X 1200 17" widescreen, but I'd like to move up to a 22" wide.
22" widescreens are usually 1680x1050 resolution. And a good choice for multi-tasking.
Acer AL2216Wbd 22" 5ms Widescreen 1680x1050
Now that is less than the 1900x1200 you claim for your current 17". Can you double check that 17" resolution? Maybe its 1280x768?

Check for 1600x1200 gaming benchmarks in your favorite games for an idea of what graphics card power you want. The 22" 1680x1050 resolution should have nearly the same performance.

I don't know any PC setup right now thats going to run Oblivion at top graphics settings and smooth FPS in all conditions. You might want to wait till you see the DX10 cards benchmarking Oblivion to make a final choice.

Here is a PC Buyers Guide for High End Systems that shows some build lists in your budget range.
October 26, 2006 1:22:28 AM

im not gonna go into the most detail but heres what to look for.

if you want fast graphics get a mobo with an nforce and stick some geforces in it, id hold off until the dx10 cards come along before building a next gen gamer pc.

if you want fancy graphics grab a crossfire configuration.

a conroe of some sorts id recommend the e6600 because of its awsome price to performance ratio.

2 gigs a ram cause well vista is coming, you can get a 1 gig setup right now but youll be upgrading when vista comes, pc 8500 for that conroe.

now to get those load times down setup 2 raptors in raid 0. id recommend 2 of the 75 gigers, then get some large hard drive for storage 300gb seagate or something.

as for the case you can do the fancy lights n stuff but something ive always hated about gaming PCs is that they are LOUD!. get a dampening case like the Antec P180.

as for your display i work in sales at futureshop so i spend alot of time with todays modern displays, it might not be the highest spec'd monitor but it is worth every penny. the NEC 90GX2.

stick with a good onboard unless your an audio enthusiast pick up an audigy or x-fi and a pair of logitech Z-5500 while your at it.

thats my 2 cents.
October 30, 2006 5:02:37 PM

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E6700

2GB of DDR2 533 (or 667 if its cheaper)

The 975X mobo of your choice. Or wait for 680i and RD600 if you can.

Raptor X for windows and games
7200.10 for everything else

OCZ GameXstream 700W

Wait for 8800GTX in a couple of weeks

The case of your choice. I rather 120mm fans because they more more air and are quieter.

Search on newegg or google everything that you dont know of. Ask me personally if youve got any doubts.


Thanks again! BTW, what's the 8800GTX and why does everyone keep telling me to wait for it? :p .
October 30, 2006 6:21:38 PM



Looks like you're picking out parts for an overclocking rig. But from the tone of your earlier comments, I wonder if you are technically ready to overclock. You could just be setting yourself up for a lot of frustration if you start playing with timings and voltages without knowing what it really means. It's no fun watching your computer fail to post or be unstable when your rig has plenty of power at stock speed to do everything you want it to do. Playing games is much more fun than looking at the BIOS screen for days on end.

If you don't plan to overclock, your selection is overkill. All you need is:
$313 - E6600 w/ stock cooler
$100 - P965 chipset mobo
$180 - 2GB DDR2-533 value (667 or 800 is not much more expensive but will be run at 533 if not overclocking)
$114 - BFG 7600GT
$ 90 - hdd
$ 30 - dvd burner
$190 - 19" lcd monitor
$ 80 - 600W PSU
$ 50 - case

You can put all that together for about $1150. $850 left over for Vista and new DX10 GPU when a good one bubbles to the top of the reviewer's tests.
October 30, 2006 11:39:56 PM

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Playing games is much more fun than looking at the BIOS screen for days on end.

Something must be really wrong with me then... :D  :D  :D 
October 31, 2006 12:07:37 AM

hey soteria, the 8800 GTX(GDDR3) and 8800 GT(GDDR3) are the next gen graphics cards coming from NVIDIA. They will (most likely) destroy the x1950 xtx(GDDR4), in video game performace, until ATI's next-gen card comes out.(saying this from past experieces). Once we all get the knowledge of how the 8800 GTX will perform compared to other top of the line graphic cards i would just wait an extra couple weeks till it comes out. do not buy a graphic card unitl the 8800 GTX comes out. its just a waste of money to spend mucho $dinero$ on a mid range VGA card now then waiting for the 8800GTX coming out(very soon)
November 1, 2006 6:52:56 PM

But isn't it true that all of the games currently out, and a good part of those coming out, don't even take advantage of the new generation's capabilities?
November 1, 2006 8:58:46 PM

No, its not. Every popular game made in the last year or so takes advantage of dual-cores and DX9 fully.
History tells you that no games will fully support DX10 until the begs of '08 tough..
!