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October 21, 2006 12:00:04 PM

hi.i am from romania.
i have in present amd64 sk 939,intend to buy a new pc,advice me,intel or amd last generation.thanks.

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October 21, 2006 12:28:09 PM

*sits at the flame table, ready for the AMD/Intel debate again*

Here's my take on it: an AMD system is better for lower end, and people who aren't good at overclocking. An Intel system, while being superior in performance at the higher end, is not as good lower end unless being used overclocked like none-other.

Basically, if you want cheap, low end, not-overclockable (none of which is actually strictly bad, persay, for newbies), go AMD. Intel is undoutably better high-end right now. Intel motherboards cost, usually, over 130 or so, while AMD motherboards come as low as 50, so the total cost is not comparable to the cost of the CPU in this case.
October 21, 2006 2:49:48 PM

The cheapest (and IMO best thing to do) is get a good dual core CPU for your current system.
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October 21, 2006 3:54:38 PM

You should have a read through the threads, this subject has been talked about many times. :wink:
October 21, 2006 6:31:55 PM

If you provided your budget and what you intend to use your computer for, it would be much easier to advise you.

But as a rule of thumb, you should go with Core 2 if you can afford it. Even an e6300 with a lower end motherboard would cost you only about $250.

If that's too much, maybe you should look into trying to find what's left of the socket 939 Athlon X2's so you could keep your motherboard.
December 13, 2006 8:31:04 AM

in this moment i have the sistem in signature,is sk939 its very good for the moment.6300 its not very fast over 3800+x2,maximum 20%.
December 13, 2006 9:13:00 AM

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in this moment i have the sistem in signature,is sk939 its very good for the moment.6300 its not very fast over 3800+x2,maximum 20%.


Overclocked it becomes 50% quicker. That's if you overclock, of course... ;) 
December 13, 2006 9:53:02 AM

If you have to get a new motherboard, get a C2D.
Otherwise, you might see if you can get a dual core S939, like maybe an FX-60..
December 13, 2006 10:33:37 AM

Just get a S939 X2 3800+, overlclock it to 2.5Ghz and get yourself a major upgrade for a very reasonable price.
December 13, 2006 1:22:07 PM

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hi.i am from romania.
i have in present amd64 sk 939,intend to buy a new pc,advice me,intel or amd last generation.thanks.


In Timisoara you'll be able to dig this comparison:

AMD Athlon X2 939 = Dacia Denem

Intel Conroe C2D = Mercedes Clasa E

Get it? :wink:
December 13, 2006 2:05:43 PM

Quote:
hi.i am from romania.
i have in present amd64 sk 939,intend to buy a new pc,advice me,intel or amd last generation.thanks.



Toss a coin. It doesn't really matter unless you want bragging rights.

The total price of the upgrade and what GPU you get will be more important than if you get Core 2 vs. AM2.
Starting at X2 3800+ and a 7900GT you can play almost EVERY GAME @ 1280. Move up to 4600+ or E6300 you can turn on more eye candy.

Above these chips it's just bragging rights since once the game reaches playable frame rates the system has done its job.


The sweet spot for Vista right now is E6300 or 4600+ with an 8800GTS. I'd actually wait until Vista releases because there will be lots of deals.
December 13, 2006 2:15:09 PM

Quote:
hi.i am from romania.
i have in present amd64 sk 939,intend to buy a new pc,advice me,intel or amd last generation.thanks.

If you want to get some good advices, you'll have to answer us this questions:
1. What is your current configuration(full configuration, mainboard, CPU, RAM type/speed/capacity, graphics card and etc.)
2. For what purposes are you using your PC?
3. What is your budget?
December 16, 2006 11:53:31 AM

a8n sli premium
amd64x2 3800+@2600 cooling with thermalright SI128+akasa 12cm
2x1024 ddr500 supertalent@520
evga 8800gts stock
2x250gb samsung sata2ncq
plextor px760a,px116a2
leadtek pvr2000
creative x-fi gamer
js 9940 speakers
case chieftec lcx01b with 6 fans antec and akasa,with filters
psu antec neohe500
samsung 940bf tft
logitech g15
logitech mx revolution and func1030 alienware
webcam logitech
printer hp 8050 photosmart

your opinion its a good system?
December 16, 2006 12:04:19 PM

It all comes down to this. What do you use your computer for.

Internet and some games Amd 939 upgrade should be fine. But in a few years you will have to go for a faster system.

Me I would of wait and see. And save up for a faster computer when they come out. So upgrade the amd 939 chip. Then watch.

If anything the core 2 will drop in price or there will be a faster amd system.


Now if I was high end I would aim for core 2.
December 16, 2006 12:25:22 PM

Hey,

that is a pretty good rig.

I see no reason to upgrade currently.

You can play all games, so what more do you want.

Save for a year instead and get a killer rig when you really need it.

:D 
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December 16, 2006 12:38:15 PM

I agree, your system is strong enough to run any game in eye candy mode.

Unless you have money to burn stay with what you have for now.
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December 16, 2006 2:00:13 PM

I agree with monkeymanuk.

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Hey,

that is a pretty good rig.

I see no reason to upgrade currently.

You can play all games, so what more do you want.

Save for a year instead and get a killer rig when you really need it.


My only suggestions are to upgrade the CPU, and setup RAID0. Install an Opteron 170 overclocked to 2.8 ~ 3.0Ghz. The Opteron 1xx series are 1Mb L2 cache per core, they use standard DDR unregistered memory, and are the best overclockers. The Opteron 170 is an inexpensive alternative to the 2.8Ghz FX-62 Flagship chip.

Hope this helps. Good Luck! :D 
December 16, 2006 2:43:53 PM

Guys, he already has a 2.6GHz X2 CPU...
What's the point in getting something with the same clock but bigger cache?
Even in gaming, the performance delta is negligible.
And even moving to 2.8GHz or 3.0GHz is not worth the cost, not even a bit!
My suggestion would be to stick with what he has for at least a year; otherwise, to see some real performance improvement, go to a high (over)clocked C2D.
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December 16, 2006 3:03:09 PM

That's a good point, but let me identify the potential difference. To level the playing field, his 512Kb cache X2 3800 @2.6 generally benchmarks about 100Mhz slower than 1Mb cache Opty's or X2's @ 2.6. So if we adjust 2.6 to 2.5, then 3.0Ghz with an Opty 170 is an increase of 500Mhz. Is it worth $190.00? Only the OP can tell us.
December 16, 2006 3:12:55 PM

Looking at the specs you posted, there is no reason to go to AM2. If you can order from Newegg over there, you could get an Opteron 175 or 180, or go to a FX60 and be at the top of the 939 hill. That would probably be cheaper than a complete rebuild to C2D and would keep you going for a long time.

Next after that would be a DX10 graphics card, either a 8800 GTX or the upcoming R600. The card is transferable to another machine, so its not wasted money, but since no games are yet made for DX10, such a card isn't necessary. For now, if I were you, I'd just upgrade the cpu and save money for a complete machine in a year or so.
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December 16, 2006 3:12:55 PM

The OP has an 8800 GTS.
December 16, 2006 3:25:50 PM

Quote:
hi.i am from romania.
i have in present amd64 sk 939,intend to buy a new pc,advice me,intel or amd last generation.thanks.



The sweet spot for Vista right now is E6300 or 4600+ with an 8800GTS. I'd actually wait until Vista releases because there will be lots of deals.

Hats off to you Baron. :wink:
Unbiased and to the point. :trophy:
December 16, 2006 3:26:48 PM

Yeah, but you have to consider that it's not guaranteed that the new chip will clock at 3.0GHz.
I could agree with you if he could buy for 190$ a CPU which is guaranteed to run at 3.0GHz; if you factor the risk that his new baby could clock just as high as the old one, or barely more...
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December 16, 2006 3:32:11 PM

I understand there are no solid state devices 100% identical. Every piece of silicon is unique, and as such, has different resistance, capacitance, inductance, impedance, and transconductance properties. Although two consecutive serial number CPU's from the same fabrication, with the same stepping codes, may appear identical, they're yielded from different location on the silicon wafer from which they're manufactured, and like diamonds, each has it's own unique flaws.

Even though their dynamic operational characteristics may be very similar, no two CPU's will overclock to exactly the same stable maximum speed, at the same voltage and temperature. Additionally, in a dual core processor, one core will always become unstable before the other. The overclock ceiling for AMD 90 nanometer dual core processors is about 3.05Ghz with top-of-the-line air cooling. Among the Opty's and X2's, the 170 is statistically the highest overclocker, and is typically a good OC risk.
December 16, 2006 4:06:54 PM

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Looking at the specs you posted, there is no reason to go to AM2. If you can order from Newegg over there, you could get an Opteron 175 or 180, or go to a FX60 and be at the top of the 939 hill. That would probably be cheaper than a complete rebuild to C2D and would keep you going for a long time.

Next after that would be a DX10 graphics card, either a 8800 GTX or the upcoming R600. The card is transferable to another machine, so its not wasted money, but since no games are yet made for DX10, such a card isn't necessary. For now, if I were you, I'd just upgrade the cpu and save money for a complete machine in a year or so.


Best deal right here. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...


Has the 2mb cache and Easily overclocks past FX 60 speeds and is only $238.00

When I used to have mine I ran it at 2.7ghz with little effort on air. Better cooling and it would have gone a good bit higher.

I missed the part that he already has a 8800 GTS when I suggeted the 8800 GTX.

The 4800+ price is excellent, but I don't think its capable of FX60 speeds, at least not an overclocked FX60. I'm getting 2990 mhz out of my FX60 at the moment, for instance, and I think I can get it over 3 ghz with some more tweaking. In the end, its what a person wants and can afford. Always, those last few mhz are going to cost more.
December 16, 2006 4:18:24 PM

Your chip != everyone else's chip. Overclocking is always a YMMV prospect.
December 16, 2006 4:22:40 PM

Ah, didn't read the rest of the thread. 4800+, yep... pretty much guaranteed to hit FX-60 speeds.

Now if it were a 3800+, good luck.
December 18, 2006 7:23:36 AM

in this moment my cpu runs at 2600 without problem,i got a score in 2005
with my vga 14500pct.and maxium rez and details,12300 pct.its very good for me,the vga not overcloked.i waiting couple months for change my rig,in february,or mars.good luck and thanks for advice.
December 18, 2006 8:13:06 AM

Quote:
hi.i am from romania.
i have in present amd64 sk 939,intend to buy a new pc,advice me,intel or amd last generation.thanks.



The sweet spot for Vista right now is E6300 or 4600+ with an 8800GTS. I'd actually wait until Vista releases because there will be lots of deals.

Hats off to you Baron. :wink:
Unbiased and to the point. :trophy:

indeed. i was impressed by bm's non-partisinshipness. i guess it must be the holiday season getting to him. or maybe tryin to get on santa's good list i suppose
December 18, 2006 11:46:27 AM

Quote:
a8n sli premium
amd64x2 3800+@2600 cooling with thermalright SI128+akasa 12cm
2x1024 ddr500 supertalent@520
evga 8800gts stock
2x250gb samsung sata2ncq
plextor px760a,px116a2
leadtek pvr2000
creative x-fi gamer
js 9940 speakers
case chieftec lcx01b with 6 fans antec and akasa,with filters
psu antec neohe500
samsung 940bf tft
logitech g15
logitech mx revolution and func1030 alienware
webcam logitech
printer hp 8050 photosmart

your opinion its a good system?

Your PC is awesome :) 
If money is not a factor for you and you want a faster PC for gaming, I will recomend you:
Core2 Extreme, SLI mianboard with OC abilities, 2GB DDR2-1000 CL5, dual 8800GTX.

A cheaper variant would be:
Opteron 175(considering that you'll OC it to 3GHz) and dual 8800GTX.
December 18, 2006 12:32:33 PM

In all honesty, I wouldn't waste a dime upgrading, as you wouldn't notice a difference if you use it for games.

You already have a strong rig, of course Core 2 is faster, and you will notice it if you runs a FPS monitor while you are playing. Otherwise, in gaming, you won't notice the difference between the two.

If you are doing alot of encoding, and need to upgrade now, go with a Core 2 based setup, and keep the video card IMO. But you will need to buy everything else excluding, the case, power supply, optical drives, and hard drives.(and sound card). Other than that, the only place you should really notice it, is in benchmarks.... there the difference can be substantial at times.

If you are noticing slow downs, you might just want to reinstall windows if you haven't tried it yet.

wes
December 18, 2006 3:07:48 PM

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The 4800+ price is excellent, but I don't think its capable of FX60 speeds, at least not an overclocked FX60. I'm getting 2990 mhz out of my FX60 at the moment, for instance,



You must have missed the part where I said I had it running at 2.7ghz with only 1.4vcore and dual P95 stable. Thats 100mhz over a stock FX 60 so it is more than capable of running at least 2.6ghz (FX 60).[/quote]

I didn't miss your writing that you got 2700 mhz by overclocking it. You're doing good with it. My point was that with the FX60 I was getting 2990 mhz when it was overclocked, and I think its capable of more. When comparing stock speeds, the FX60 is better. When comparing overclocked speeds, my experience has shown that the FX60 is still better.

Either cpu is good. Its what the end goal is and the money can afford that makes the difference.
December 18, 2006 3:11:47 PM

I would just drop in an Opty 165, and OC it to 3ghz, mine hit 3.1 which was quite nice. I normally ran it at about 2.9 though, because that is where the vcore had to go about 1.4 volts.

On newegg they are only $155, not a bad deal if you ask me.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

wes
December 19, 2006 12:18:41 AM

I have prime95 going right now. Its fully stable, doing both cores has raised the temp to 45c. No problems being reported.
December 19, 2006 1:11:44 AM

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hi.i am from romania.
i have in present amd64 sk 939,intend to buy a new pc,advice me,intel or amd last generation.thanks.

AM2 or C2D have more power than most people need.

I would lean to the C2D's, but AM2 are good as well.

C2D's overclock better, but you probably do not need to OC and if your going to OC, you need a reasonable MB to do it.
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December 19, 2006 1:12:19 AM

Give me your rig and start over. 8)
December 20, 2006 11:55:54 AM

funny man,in this moment al games run great at maximum details and rezolution supported by the monitor,1280x1024,obtained in 2005 3dmark
14200pct,and 2006 9150pct,its good for me.opteron its not good controller for memories compare with amd64x2.i thinking ,2-or 3 months not worths to invest in components,its expensive c2d now,and mobos,i wait,in spring,change mobo,cpu,and rams.thanks for advice
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December 20, 2006 3:03:21 PM

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Opteron is not a good controller for memory compared with X2.


The Opteron 165's thru 185's are marketed as a Denmark core, but CPU-Z will identify them as a Toledo core, which is the same core as the X2 4000, 4400, 4800 and FX-60. The 939 X2 4000 @ 2.0Ghz is the desktop counterpart of the Opteron 170 @ 2.0Ghz. The Opterons use standard DDR unregistered, non-parity memory, so the only difference other than price, is that the Opteron is a server / workstation class processor.

Opterons are more stringently fabricated, tested, selected and binned for stability, and are yielded from "cleaner" silicon semiconductor material. They operate at lower voltages and temperatures per clock, as compared with their X2 desktop conterparts, which make the Opterons the best overclockers. The 170 is statistically the highest overclocker, often achieving 50% on high end air cooling.

The overclocking limit for clean 90 nanometer dual core AMD's is about 3.05Ghz. Of course, they're all unique, and there are always exceptions. My previous rig was an Opteron 170 @ 3.0Ghz. It's an excellent CPU, and an inexpensive equivalent to the 2.8Ghz FX-62 Flagship chip. Opteron 170's are currently selling for $184.99.

X2 Manchester Core 4200, 4600 & 5000 = 512Kb L2 Cache - fair choice.

X2 Toledo Core 4000, 4400, 4800 & FX-60 = 1Mb L2 Cache - good choice.

Opteron Denmark Core 165 thru 185 = 1Mb L2 Cache - best choice.:D 
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December 21, 2006 12:53:43 AM

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funny man,in this moment al games run great at maximum details and rezolution supported by the monitor,1280x1024,obtained in 2005 3dmark
14200pct,and 2006 9150pct,its good for me.opteron its not good controller for memories compare with amd64x2.i thinking ,2-or 3 months not worths to invest in components,its expensive c2d now,and mobos,i wait,in spring,change mobo,cpu,and rams.thanks for advice

Put spaces after your full stops please. I know its not really that important, but it aids in reading posts when it doesnt look like one long sentence.
December 21, 2006 8:37:04 AM

Ok.I undertand.
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