Hi I currently have an Antec 480W purchased in February 2004. It performs tremendously well on my socket 939 system which enables me to leave my PC on 24 hours without any problems. I currently use the GeForce 6600GT.
In December I plan to uprade to something like the X1950XT (not SLI though). Will my 480W PSU be sufficient or do I need more power? I also potentially uprading to a Core Duo processor.
Also do you know how to link this post with my other post? So people can view another post which might be relevant to this (I know this quetion is non PSU related)
How do I check this rails and stuff? I just went to the website this is my PSU - http://www.antec.com/us/support_pr [...] dID=07481.
I have a 480w (too lazy to check the brand) with all of the listed specs of my signature. With 2 harddrives, 1 80 and 2x 120 mm fans and some other random crap. No issues with power.
My Antec Neo480 (not NeoHE) has 18 amps on 12v1 and 15 on 12v2 if that is of any help.
Bought mine back in late 2k5.
I wouldnt trust it if you have alot of power sucking hardware in your computer even if hte rails are sufficient it just wont push the power. Just remember ATI is crossfire not sli and from what i have been reading not every board supports sli/crossfire or both at the same time. but since you dont plan on doing it then i wasted your time
Tow major things to look at is the cpu and video card then hard drives then optical drives then of course fans. In order of power hogging. I think the video card is actualy before the cpu but you don want to underpower those at all so yeah 550watt
better to have over head then to have just enough. Especialy with the card you want to buy. That thing sucks power like nothing else.
If I do have to get a new PSU. Then is generic PSU's ok? The reason I got Antec 3 years ago was that I was into overclocking that time.
Now I dont overclock anymore. Well I am going overseas to Malaysia in December and the only PSU's above 550W are branded. The cheapest of the 550W is CoolerMaster Real Power which is $400 (108USD), or 600W CoolerMaster Real Power which is $500 (136USD). Or I might be able to find a generic brand which cost 50USD.
What are your reccomendations. My new rig would be:
Core 2 Duo 6400
Socket 965P Motherboard
2GB Corsair Value Ram
X1900XT
Audigy 2 ZS
2*120GB SATA Harddisk
ThermalTake LanParty Casing (has 4 fans with a control panel)
PS: Could you go look at the specs of my old 480W Antec, I have an attachment in the previous post. I dont understand all this Volt, Amp stuff.
In most cases no gineric isnt good. You want to get something called true power so your actualy getting a 550watt PSU not one that says 550watt and really pushs something like 300watt The you get what you paid for law is relavent with almost everything.
My casing is blocking me from reading it? I dont intend to dismantle the PSU now, anyway these are the figures I obtained from the website. Dont know why the previous link didnt work here is the new one:
http://www.antec.com/specs/true480_spe.html
OUTPUT
----------- | Max Load---- | Min Load
+5V------ | 38A-------- | 0A
-5V------- | 0.5A-------- | 0A
+12V----- | 28A-------- | 0.8A
-12V------ | 10.A------- | 0A
+3.3V---- | 30A------- | 0A
+5V SB--- | 2A-------- | 0A
Does this mean I have only 1 rail? And its 28A... so this means its ok right coz you mentioned iether 2 rails with 16A or 1 rail with 26A (and it says I have 28A).
Junk post thank you very much.
Here's the real deal about their power draws. Sorry about my former post.
That psu should be fine for that card.You just need to worry when you add lots of hardware or get a second vid card for sli or crossfire.Goodluck.
Dahak
AMD X2-4400+@2.4 S-939
EVGA NF4 SLI MB
2X7800GT IN SLI
2X1GIG DDR IN DC MODE
WD300GIG HD
EXTREME 19IN.MONITOR 1280X1024
ACE 520WATT PSU
COOLERMASTER MINI R120
| Quote : The marketing material included with the card claims NVIDIA requires at least a 450W power supply for a single GeForce 8800GTX, and 400W for the 8800GTS. |
Sounds like the whole setup to me. But those are around the requirements for the actual highest end cards arent they?
| Quote : The marketing material included with the card claims NVIDIA requires at least a 450W power supply for a single GeForce 8800GTX, and 400W for the 8800GTS. |
Sounds like the whole setup to me. But those are around the requirements for the actual highest end cards arent they?
I've read a couple anouncements on the 8800GTX and 8800 GTs and I think that Mpilchfamily is right, thoe power draws are for the cards alone. One of the artilces I saw was recommending a 800 wt psu for a machine that used the top card. Sli combo's could reach 1000 wts. Looks like these things are going to drink power like it was water.
I'm hoping that the writer of that article mis-interpreted something and that you're right about the 450 wt psu being for the whole setup. Then again, ATI recommended at least 550 wt for my X1900 XTX. If the new cards do draw 800 wt or more, a lot us are going to be buying big, expensive psu's in the coming year.
Thank God SLI will always have that awful $/performance point it currently keeps.
800W is ludicrous! Nobody actually produces a PSU with that specs. Even if there is it will probably cost the same ammount as your processor!
Anyway
| Quote : So i'll assume the worst here.
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How about my new rig which is
6400 Core 2 Duo
X1950XTX
2X SATA HDD
2 X DVD Drives
2 X 1GB Ram
Audigy 2 ZS
Casing with 4 Fans and Control Panel
Thanks alot mpilchfamily and the rest of you guys. That will save me from buying a costly PSU, when I can use that money to buy other parts.
I guess buying that Antec 3 years ago was a good investment. Never once did it KO on me. Those generics KO'd my dad's PC a couple of times. One time it fried the motherboard.
Also now I know abit more about Watts & Amps.
| Quote : Thank God SLI will always have that awful $/performance point it currently keeps. |
Yeah. The way this sounds, SLI/Crossfire may find its death sentence, at least for anyone but the very rich or the fanatical gamer.
if you are running non SLI your power supply should be fine. here are my system's specs and it runs 24/7 no problems
asus socket 939 asn32deluxe -sli
antec true power 480W (with the blue lights) bought in 2004 as well
amd athlon 64 4800 x2
2 SATA HDS(320 gig, 120 gig)
2 IDE (60gig, 200gig)
bfg 7900gtx
2gig OCZ titanium
lighton DVD burner w/lightscribe
plextor 52x burner
5 case fans, and it runs fine,
and the rails look fine underload with the monitoring software. so I would say that you probably arnt as hardware heavy as my comp is right now so it should be fine
| Quote : Many buy there PC's from custom built companies and get SLI that way. |
But you have to admit Alienware does look cool, although more expensive than making them yourself. I think when I am rich ill get my stuff from Alienware.
Cheaper? Woah thats a amazing. Actually theyre one of the cheapest but ive heard theyve got awful customer support and warranties, the complete opposite to ABS.
When Ill get rich ill spend so much in sophisticated cooling solutions that ill be earned a world class overclocking record. But definetly keep on building my own
Geforce 8800 GTX - 450W with 30A on 12V rail
Geforce 8800 GTS - 400W with 26A on 12V rail
http://www.pcwelt.de/news/hardware [...] ndex2.html
Won't a 400-450W PSU be enough if it has two 12V rails with 14-18A in each?
| Quote : Thank God SLI will always have that awful $/performance point it currently keeps. |
Sucky part is once SLI is mature and everything gets coded for it correctly youll be seeing close to 100% gains in games if not 100% gains. it just sucks balls right now unless you play oblivion or fear since from what i have seen they have been optimised with SLI.
| Quote : Thank God SLI will always have that awful $/performance point it currently keeps. |
Sucky part is once SLI is mature and everything gets coded for it correctly youll be seeing close to 100% gains in games if not 100% gains. it just sucks balls right now unless you play oblivion or fear since from what i have seen they have been optimised with SLI.
I think for the enthuasiasts SLI will simply die instead of gaining ground. Simply because we OC and take the best $/performance, while the masses fall for the hype.
It died the first time becuase it really didnt do anything worthwild. Even though its new with coded games it does ALOT. enthusiest people will get SLI hell im going to get SLI once more games are coded for it. Actualy i should say im getting crossfire when more games are coded for dual GPU. since people like me are more concerned with frames and high resolutions/quality graphics then price/praformance. xfire SLI i think are going to stay for now until a new tech comes out to replace it. But like i said when it comes to oblivion and fear SLI actualy does something i think up to 80% increases other games its nominal. if tweaks in coding and hardware make it near 100% or close to thats not really hype its fact. Yes SLI Xfire right now is a huge waste of money unless you play those two games or games made on that engine constantly but how long has SLI been out? you always have to give a year or two of a tech being in hte main stream to saturate the market then software makers will fallow. Assuming the tech is sound.
The main reason for those two games is because they have "inefficient" rendering engines (wich is also what makes the game looks really good). But at least for the average joe playing at 16x12 or lower, SLI would be worthless. Now if youll spend on a 30 incha thats a whole different deal
Hopefully SLI will become more efficient so the whole "get a card now and another one later" thing will finally make sense.
THey probly do but they are also coded for SLI. i dont play games at any res under 1920x1200 and i dont even like playing that low. funny you mention 30" monitors. I have a 24" right now as my sig says but next computer build i do im going with this 30" http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter [...] 0000293416 the resolution is a few pixles higher then the 22" CRT i wanted to get last year before LCD's came down but its where i want to be. Higher would be nice for desktop realistate but when it comes to gaming this res is what i want.
| Quote : I think we have totaly hijacked this thread. |
We answered, they read and learn. Its all good
How much is it gonna be??
Oh and as they say "Happy fraggin!"
On day it comes out $1999.99 lol ill be waiting a while since i dont expect to upgrade again till about april. im hoping it will have come down at least $500 MORE would be nice.
Ouch! more than your whole actual rig! I couldnt convince myself to go for something bigger/more expensive than 16x12 hehe
i would love to get a 40" if i could find one wiht good specs and double it as my TV. Course im into the massive graphics thing. i liked the 1600x1200 res back in the day when i had a radeon 64 vivo and before with my 8500 though most games wouldnt run at that res with those cards. cant go back though. my old viewsonic p815 could do 1920x1440 and im still not liking the 1920x1200 i lost like 3 inchs of space and i want it back D:
| Quote : I think we have totaly hijacked this thread. |
Nah its cool, it makes look like I started a real cool post. Maybe it will get a sticky and it will be attributed to my name.
| Quote : i would love to get a 40" |
| Quote : Actualy i should say im getting crossfire when more games are coded for dual GPU. since people like me are more concerned with frames and high resolutions/quality graphics then price/praformance. |
Haha yea you will only get to enjoy your Crossfire if you have a 40" screen. You got loads of money aint ya.
Anyway if you stay with a 19" screen and buy a single card and upgrade every year, you will still be able to enjoy max out detail without suffering in frame rates. Anything above 19" will be too big anyway (if you sit close like most traditional users), unless you plan to sit far away.
So if you stick with 19" and follow my plan of upgrading every 1 year (sell your old card on ebay) you will still be able to experience the best quality. Hence Crossfire and SLI would be only for the people who have money to throw.
Ill use the savings and get a Samsung 971P, and a Creative Gigaworks 7.1. That way not only do I have the best graphics, I have the best sound too.
size of the screen doesnt actualy matter its the resolutions (im assuming your talking about sli/xfire having little use in low resolutions.) i could get a 65inch monitor with a really stupid low res. Anyways 19" is way to small
havent used something that small in years. My desk is about 3 feet to the wall with another foot behind that and i currently have a 24: which is pretty nice. Frame rates, high detail, and super insane resolutions are what i want with a vary large view area. I use a single card now and have no problems but when i move to that 30" I'm most likely going to need alot more horsepower when it comes to my gaming then a single card will throw out. I'm hoping by that time developers will have fixed that whole coding dibacle
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I never sell my old comp i just move it down the line. G/f gets my old one and the rest go on the network. As for speakers I'm getting these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6836119106
My old set 2.1 i got probly about 12 years ago finaly died. Not even sure why i kept them they always crackled and the sub always cut out. Anyways its all prefference we have a 19" here and its way to freakin small with the resalutions i want it to do (1920x1440) its a CRT of course
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| Quote : My desk is about 3 feet to the wall with another foot behind that and i currently have a 24: which is pretty nice. |
Is your mintor attached to a wall? or is sitting on your desk? If its on a wall and ur desk is further away then I understand why you would want a 30" screen. Anyway 30" wont be good for gaming
| Quote : size of the screen doesnt actualy matter its the resolutions (im assuming your talking about sli/xfire having little use in low resolutions.) |
Yea I was talking about med res. As in for 19" the max res you could go is 1280X1024. If you get a 30" you would want a res of 3200X1600!
| Quote : never sell my old comp i just move it down the line. G/f gets my old one and the rest go on the network. |
I do the same when I upgrade I give my old pieces to my dad or bro.
| Quote : As for speakers I'm getting these
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Excelent Choice! Klipsch used to be the dominant PC Speaker Brand for ages. Still is. They produce crisp sound. Too bad they dont have Klipsch in Australia. Even Gigaworks 750 is hard to get. So ill have to settle for a Logitech Z5500D.
But Samsumg 971P is available in Australia though!
Another question: Do you think 1GB with X1900XT is sufficient for gaming in 2007 (Battlefield 2142, C&C3, NWN2, Company of Heroes, Mark of Chaos), if I wanna crank the AA and AF and detail in 1280X1024 res? or do I need 2GB Ram?
Ill start a new thread on this issue also. The attachment is below.
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/har [...] 07#1311607
idk why ppl are so into widescreens lately, personally I dislike them (prolly because I dont watch many dvds orhate flight simulators
). And my rooms so small than anything over a 20.1" (a 24" might fit in the wall tough) and the logitech X-530 im getting would be overkill :x
But im telling, playing at 2500x1600 use a dual DX10 setup wont come in cheap. Youll need a monster PSU too hehe, but man thatld be an experience.
k now you need to stop bragging
I am selling my 3 month old kick ass 38AMP on a single 12v rail Silverstone PSU for only $50.00 if anyone is interested. It still looks brand spankin new just like in this article.
Retails for $137.99 on Newegg.com
http://www.jonnyguru.com/PSU/ST56ZF/
It will easily be enough to power any single next gen card.
I was and am kinda still with you on that wide screen thing. Its a real pain in the ass with some games and programs.
30" btw is no worse for gaming then a 19" and the res of the monitor i showed is 2560x1600. 19" LCD i have seen as high as 1600x1200 which to me would be a waste of a 19" to have less. but yes i would love a res of 3200xwhatever as long as it was at least 1600 course i dont think even SLI/Xfire could do that at what settings i preffer.
As for the memory question 1gig is good if you dont use alot of ram for otherthings. I do recommend the 2gigs for those types of games. i went from 1 to 2gig and this videocard that i have now and it was amazing how much smoother the game was. the ram did of course not add alot to it other then it didnt take foreever to cache the whole damn map and leave me lag struck for about 4 minutes. Thats one major complaint i have about BF2 that and no widescreen support which is why im still irritated with wide screen.
I do watch alot of movies on my computer having much smaller bars on the top and bottom is a nice touch course since im not into 16:9 monitors i preffer 16:10 ill always have those little bars just not huge 4 inch bars on top and bottom its more like 1inch on top and bottom now.
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