Opinion on an AGP card

I am wondering about some AGP cards

Can anyone suggest a few AGP cards options, all should be faster than an RADEON X800 PRO/GTO

Doesn't matter if nvidia or ati

Thanks.

simple really...

nvidia, 6800/7800 series
ati, x850 or a x1600xt (if lucky, ati might produce an agp based 19xx)

um 1600xt vary much not faster then your card not even close. in fact i would say downgrade if you did it and not just a little one a huge one.

Just to make sure is this model what its all about (512 or 256 models):

http://www.connect3d.com/products/pcie_x1950pro.htm

Information from their site:

600 MHz Engine/700 MHz Memory
90 nanometer technology

I just noticed its PCI Express and not AGP, is the agp version not released yet?

Except the x1950pro, what is the next most powerfull agp card / cards below it? (nvidia or ati)

Cannot wait for that AGP X1950 Pro. AGP lives. Eat that, Intel!

Next best would be that 7800GS+ BLISS (read:7900GT) from Gainward. Then a 7800GS. Next, a close third would be the 7600GT. Then your X8xx cards and the 6-Series.

~Ibrahim~

Firstly the 512 is much better, as it has 20 pipelines instead of 16. It is also much more overclockable, but if at all possible try and find a 7800GS+ (7900GT GPU just slightly underclocked).

Secondly the 600mhz means 1200mhz, as it is DDR (double data rate).

I don't think the x1950pro is released yet, www.overclockers.co.uk is saying that it is released in November, so only a few days to wait. It appears to be cheaper than the 7800GS+ with better performance, looks like an AGP bargain.

I believe that all versions will be 256mb. So far i have seen a GeCube model for sale, and have heard that Sapphire will be releasing one, both are reliable companys.

It does perform a fair amount better than the 7800GS (including the 20 pipe 512mb versions AND the 7800GS+ that has the 7900GT GPU!!).

Pricing...looks similar to the 7800GS, but it does perform a lot better. So even if it is say anything up to $100 more, i reckon it is worth the difference.

they most likely will. Tehy figure its a limited run card that people who are stubern enough to keep thier agp setup's instead of at least buying a new motherboard will pay because they are trying to "save" money by keeping said rig. which in the end only ends up costing gamers more money to keep buying out of date hardware.

So below the 20 pipelines 512mb Bliss 7800 I see models from 2 other companies, just not sure which company is better, can anyone suggest:

Evga GeForce 7800GS
http://www.evga.com/products/morei [...] &family=22

Pine XFX GeForce 7800GS
http://www.xfxforce.com/web/produc [...] nId=144833

I think the specs are the same and the companies differ, if I don't want the bliss 512mb model, which from the 2 models will be a better pick?

First of all, you have to stop focussing on the amount of RAM.
512 MB is what advertisers shout to make you think that a cheap card is powerful. Really, the extra RAM does very little for performance in most situations.

A 256mb X1950 PRO will EAT EVERY 512MB 7800 GS ALIVE*

* (Except Gainward's BLISS+, because it has the full 24 pipelines. It'a actually a 7900 GT)

All non-gainward 7800 GS cards are 16-pipeline cards. It doesn't matter how much RAM you put on them, their performance is limited by architecture. The X1950 will outperform them by leaps and bounds.

The X1950 PRO processor has 32 pixel shaders, the 7800 GS processor has 16 pixel shaders.

It's a bit more complex than that, but the bottom line is there's no contest when it comes to performance. Regular 16-pipe 7800 GS' and 12-pipe 7600 GTs don't stand a chance against the X1950 PRO or the Gainward BLISS+, regardless of how much memory they have.

No suprise there.

As far as using the full potential, it won't matter between a 7800GS and a X1950pro. If your system will bottleneck a 7800GS, it'll do the same for an X1950pro, and vice versa. Your system will do fine with either, but you'd do better by adding another 1GB of RAM in there.

Ummm...

You'll be very happy with the x1950pro once the AGP versions are commonly available. I am going to get one for my system in my sig and relegate my old 6800GT to a 2.8 pentium 4 system.

This will hold me over until we see whether the PCI-Express 8800 and r600s are better which I'll be purchasing for new build.

Your current cpu is very similar to mine and yes you'll see great benefit with your system with this new card. I concur with above poster you might want to think about another gig of Ram in the future if you're using this system as your main gaming unit for a while.

Oh not sure anyone hit on it or if you stated it but what kind of power supply are you using? This new 1950Pro will use a good bit more juice than your current and would hate to have problems after getting such a nice card. I would say you're likely fine with a decent quality 400w or better psu unless you run quite a few optical drives and hard drives.

Your system will bottleneck certain games as far as max performance potential - but the better videocards will still deliver higher framerates for you than the lesser ones.

So the better the card, the better your framerates. Your P4 isn't so slow that you won't see gains with the higher end cards.

Even the super-overpriced 7600GT AGP's are now out of stock.

$400 :!: 8O

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Prod [...] ode=321100
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Prod [...] ode=321099


reference clocked one is in stock at newegg for $190.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814150200

As far as the PSU recommendation, I am pretty sure a quality 450W will be enough for the X1950 or 7800GS+

But I have 4 HDDS and 2 drives, so I might go with a 520W instead?

Seeing the upcoming 8800GTX will require a 450W PSU, I don't think a less powerfull card will require more than that.

Again the questions is how much drives and HDDS they assume you have when recommending the 450W.