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October 22, 2006 12:35:23 PM

I am wondering about some AGP cards

Can anyone suggest a few AGP cards options, all should be faster than an RADEON X800 PRO/GTO

Doesn't matter if nvidia or ati

Thanks.

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October 22, 2006 1:00:38 PM

The ATI x1950pro AGP, single fastest AGP card on the market.
October 22, 2006 1:01:18 PM

simple really...

nvidia, 6800/7800 series
ati, x850 or a x1600xt (if lucky, ati might produce an agp based 19xx)
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October 22, 2006 1:10:13 PM

Best is the soon to be released X1950 pro. It will destroy all the reference cards out there and should also beat the expensive Gainward 7800GS+ (24 pipe 7900GT) that is not available in North America. No idea on price yet...somewhere around $250 I suspect although they might get a premium above that.

Going way below that,
7800GS/X850XTpe
7600GT/X850XT/X800XTpe/6800U
X800XT
X800XL/X850 pro/6800GT
Then comes the X800 pro/GTO


Anyway, the 7600GT ($180's) and X850 pro($130) are the best priced AGP gaming cards above the X800GTO. Neither is a good upgrade from a X800 pro/GTO. If you already have a X800 pro, and you have a fast system to warrant a high end card, waiting for the X1950 pro AGP would be the best option. What are the system specs?
October 22, 2006 1:26:32 PM

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simple really...

nvidia, 6800/7800 series
ati, x850 or a x1600xt (if lucky, ati might produce an agp based 19xx)


um 1600xt vary much not faster then your card not even close. in fact i would say downgrade if you did it and not just a little one a huge one.
October 22, 2006 2:08:06 PM

Quote:
I am wondering about some AGP cards

Can anyone suggest a few AGP cards options, all should be faster than an RADEON X800 PRO/GTO

Doesn't matter if nvidia or ati

Thanks.


Easily the x1950 PRO for AGP.
October 22, 2006 3:25:17 PM

Just to make sure is this model what its all about (512 or 256 models):

http://www.connect3d.com/products/pcie_x1950pro.htm

Information from their site:

600 MHz Engine/700 MHz Memory
90 nanometer technology

I just noticed its PCI Express and not AGP, is the agp version not released yet?

Except the x1950pro, what is the next most powerfull agp card / cards below it? (nvidia or ati)
October 22, 2006 5:29:22 PM

Hi you could try www.tomshardware.co.uk for a simple but concise explanation of what to look for especially for gaming.
hope this helps

Viperick
October 22, 2006 5:46:01 PM

Cannot wait for that AGP X1950 Pro. AGP lives. Eat that, Intel!

Next best would be that 7800GS+ BLISS (read:7900GT) from Gainward. Then a 7800GS. Next, a close third would be the 7600GT. Then your X8xx cards and the 6-Series.

~Ibrahim~
October 22, 2006 7:31:46 PM

I want to make sure about the right models

Are these my 7800GS options:

7800GS 512MB - http://www.gainward.net/products/product.php?products_i...

7800GS 256MB - http://www.gainward.net/products/product.php?products_i...

Would it be better to invest in the 512MB version? It looks like it have a better cooler

Is Gainward a reliable company, with good stock cooling (at least for these 2 cards)?

What I notice is the 256 version is memory clocked at 1200mhz, and the 512 version only at 600mhz?

Also it says AGP but also says "Bus: PCI-Express", so what is the correct one?
October 22, 2006 7:40:34 PM

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I want to make sure about the right models

Are these my 7800GS options:

7800GS 512MB - http://www.gainward.net/products/product.php?products_i...

7800GS 256MB - http://www.gainward.net/products/product.php?products_i...

Would it be better to invest in the 512MB version? It looks like it have a better cooler

Is Gainward a reliable company, with good stock cooling (at least for these 2 cards)?

What I notice is the 256 version is memory clocked at 1200mhz, and the 512 version only at 600mhz?

Also it says AGP but also says "Bus: PCI-Express", so what is the correct one?


Firstly the 512 is much better, as it has 20 pipelines instead of 16. It is also much more overclockable, but if at all possible try and find a 7800GS+ (7900GT GPU just slightly underclocked).

Secondly the 600mhz means 1200mhz, as it is DDR (double data rate).

I don't think the x1950pro is released yet, www.overclockers.co.uk is saying that it is released in November, so only a few days to wait. It appears to be cheaper than the 7800GS+ with better performance, looks like an AGP bargain.
October 22, 2006 8:05:48 PM

What companies will be releasing the AGP X1950 PRO?

Will it come in 256 and 512MB versions, or just 256, and does it matter much?

Do you know if it will be cheaper or more expensive than the 512MB version of the Gainward 7800GS?

I assume it performs better than the 7800GS?
October 22, 2006 9:40:18 PM

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What companies will be releasing the AGP X1950 PRO?

Will it come in 256 and 512MB versions, or just 256, and does it matter much?

Do you know if it will be cheaper or more expensive than the 512MB version of the Gainward 7800GS?

I assume it performs better than the 7800GS?


I believe that all versions will be 256mb. So far i have seen a GeCube model for sale, and have heard that Sapphire will be releasing one, both are reliable companys.

It does perform a fair amount better than the 7800GS (including the 20 pipe 512mb versions AND the 7800GS+ that has the 7900GT GPU!!).

Pricing...looks similar to the 7800GS, but it does perform a lot better. So even if it is say anything up to $100 more, i reckon it is worth the difference.
October 22, 2006 9:46:58 PM

I know companies will, but I hope they don't jack up the price, knowing that AGP users will pay a premium for performance.

~Ibrahim~
October 23, 2006 8:22:18 AM

they most likely will. Tehy figure its a limited run card that people who are stubern enough to keep thier agp setup's instead of at least buying a new motherboard will pay because they are trying to "save" money by keeping said rig. which in the end only ends up costing gamers more money to keep buying out of date hardware.
October 23, 2006 4:55:59 PM

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What companies will be releasing the AGP X1950 PRO?

Will it come in 256 and 512MB versions, or just 256, and does it matter much?

Do you know if it will be cheaper or more expensive than the 512MB version of the Gainward 7800GS?

I assume it performs better than the 7800GS?


I believe that all versions will be 256mb. So far i have seen a GeCube model for sale, and have heard that Sapphire will be releasing one, both are reliable companys.

It does perform a fair amount better than the 7800GS (including the 20 pipe 512mb versions AND the 7800GS+ that has the 7900GT GPU!!).

Pricing...looks similar to the 7800GS, but it does perform a lot better. So even if it is say anything up to $100 more, i reckon it is worth the difference.

Diamond is supposed to have an x1950 AGP soon.
October 24, 2006 3:54:55 PM

The 7800GS' are still a bit over priced. You should wait for the X1950pro to come out. It'll be cheaper, and better than the 7800GS.
October 24, 2006 3:57:23 PM

First of all, you have to stop focussing on the amount of RAM.
512 MB is what advertisers shout to make you think that a cheap card is powerful. Really, the extra RAM does very little for performance in most situations.

A 256mb X1950 PRO will EAT EVERY 512MB 7800 GS ALIVE*

* (Except Gainward's BLISS+, because it has the full 24 pipelines. It'a actually a 7900 GT)

All non-gainward 7800 GS cards are 16-pipeline cards. It doesn't matter how much RAM you put on them, their performance is limited by architecture. The X1950 will outperform them by leaps and bounds.

The X1950 PRO processor has 32 pixel shaders, the 7800 GS processor has 16 pixel shaders.

It's a bit more complex than that, but the bottom line is there's no contest when it comes to performance. Regular 16-pipe 7800 GS' and 12-pipe 7600 GTs don't stand a chance against the X1950 PRO or the Gainward BLISS+, regardless of how much memory they have.
October 24, 2006 5:12:13 PM

I don't focus on the amount of RAM, I just want to know my options, which are the X1950, Bliss 7800, and the 2 7800 256mb models, just check my post above, just want to know the answer.

I should mention my system specs, so you will see if they are enough for the great X1950 Pro AGP

2 X 512MB Memory
Intel Pentium 4 3 GHZ HT

So will it be enough for these cards: (the best card is on top, tell me if im right):
X1950
Bliss 7800GS+
Bliss 7800GS 512mb 20 pipelines
Evga and Pine XFX 7800GS 256mb, see links some posts above

If the X1950 will not be able to use its full potential, I might as well go with one of the 7800GS models, so what do you think?
October 24, 2006 5:53:39 PM

As far as using the full potential, it won't matter between a 7800GS and a X1950pro. If your system will bottleneck a 7800GS, it'll do the same for an X1950pro, and vice versa. Your system will do fine with either, but you'd do better by adding another 1GB of RAM in there.
October 24, 2006 6:43:58 PM

What I ask if any idea by my system specs, if the x1950 pro will be bottlenecked, or will it be fine on my system?

If it will be bottlenecked, then which from the other less powerfull modes should I go for?
October 24, 2006 6:53:01 PM

Ummm...

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Your system will do fine with either, but you'd do better by adding another 1GB of RAM in there.
October 24, 2006 7:21:32 PM

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What I ask if any idea by my system specs, if the x1950 pro will be bottlenecked, or will it be fine on my system?

If it will be bottlenecked, then which from the other less powerfull modes should I go for?


There should be no bottleneck there! But as others have said, more memory wouldn't do any harm.
October 24, 2006 7:26:23 PM

You'll be very happy with the x1950pro once the AGP versions are commonly available. I am going to get one for my system in my sig and relegate my old 6800GT to a 2.8 pentium 4 system.

This will hold me over until we see whether the PCI-Express 8800 and r600s are better which I'll be purchasing for new build.

Your current cpu is very similar to mine and yes you'll see great benefit with your system with this new card. I concur with above poster you might want to think about another gig of Ram in the future if you're using this system as your main gaming unit for a while.

Oh not sure anyone hit on it or if you stated it but what kind of power supply are you using? This new 1950Pro will use a good bit more juice than your current and would hate to have problems after getting such a nice card. I would say you're likely fine with a decent quality 400w or better psu unless you run quite a few optical drives and hard drives.
October 24, 2006 10:27:28 PM

I know i have posted this before but i wouldnt do anything less then 500 when trying to use a high end card like that i would even consider a 650watt if you actualy plan on building a new computer. next gen video cards i heard horror storys of as high as 750watt D: not sure if that one will be 100% true though at least for the begining of the year.
October 24, 2006 11:11:05 PM

Your system will bottleneck certain games as far as max performance potential - but the better videocards will still deliver higher framerates for you than the lesser ones.

So the better the card, the better your framerates. Your P4 isn't so slow that you won't see gains with the higher end cards.
October 24, 2006 11:33:25 PM

The only AGP cards that are faster than the X800GTO/Pro are the 7600GT (impossible to find), X850XT/PE (impossible to find), X850Pro, 7800GS (overpriced), and the X800XL/XT. And, as others have said, there's the upcoming X1950Pro, which might be the fastest (and last high-end) AGP card.
October 25, 2006 12:01:10 AM

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Even the super-overpriced 7600GT AGP's are now out of stock.

$400 :!: 8O

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...


$400?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Jesus! Would ANYONE pay that? Surely the 7800GS is a much better buy than that. Even people who know nothing about technology would realize that 7800 is a bigger number than 7600! Just like a 3.0GHZ P4 is faster than a 2.6GHZ Athlon 64! It has more GHZ so it MUST be better!!!

:D :D :D :D 
October 25, 2006 7:21:35 AM

As far as the PSU recommendation, I am pretty sure a quality 450W will be enough for the X1950 or 7800GS+

But I have 4 HDDS and 2 drives, so I might go with a 520W instead?

Seeing the upcoming 8800GTX will require a 450W PSU, I don't think a less powerfull card will require more than that.

Again the questions is how much drives and HDDS they assume you have when recommending the 450W.
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