Dell shipping X2 5200+

For those who thought it was vaporware, the Dell E521 now can be configured with the fastest X2. It looks like Dell is getting the pick of the high end litter.

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Damn! 1137$ and seeing all the base Components Only thing it would need to make it better is add 50$ for the X1300 Pro Radeon And you got your self a Very, Very Handsome Computer System!

Yeah, especially considering those come with an LCD. Again, I figured Dell would get things first. I'm waiting now to see the 3600+ pop up in OptiPlex. But I heard awhile back that those would start out in China.

They've been shipping since the end of Sept.

I haven't heard that rumor... the only recent processor shortage I remember was the Core 2 Duo's in the XPS 700's. As far as I can recall AMD hasn't had any tremendous problems with shortages... *shrugs*

Ha, this is a joke to say the least...

the 5000+ X2 has been in such limited availability that the prices sky rocketed making it a terrible deal at its price point, its been out for x amount of months(baron can tell us) and just now has it begun to come down to its real price...

yeah you could say they were in high demand but thats bs, AMD could barely produce enough to even introduce a new product
whether this is because of Dell hoggin all the processors or AMD not being able to produce enough chips who knows

and regarding the XPS 700 that was b/c Dell had so many pre orders and such and they also we're waiting on different motherboards so it was not solely based on the availability of the Core 2 Duos, if it would have been the X2 5000+ in those XPS you probably wouldn't have gotten yours till last week

intel was able to meet most if not all custom builder demands of processors by 7/31...and on top of that they were avaiable at online e-tailers like newegg and zipzoomfly before that
The reason I haven't heard of any big AMD shortage is because they have only recently been used in products as far reaching as Dell. Inte;'s will definately make big news because of that reason specifically.

Also the shortage from Dell was not caused by pre-orders, (they weren't offered initially) it was caused by Dell offering the Core 2 Duo shortly after the XPS700 started shipping. Once people saw that they were offfered, Dell offered to trade their processor for a Core 2 Duo.

any benchmarks for X2 5200+??

Ha, this is a joke to say the least...

the 5000+ X2 has been in such limited availability that the prices sky rocketed making it a terrible deal at its price point, its been out for x amount of months(baron can tell us) and just now has it begun to come down to its real price...

yeah you could say they were in high demand but thats bs, AMD could barely produce enough to even introduce a new product
whether this is because of Dell hoggin all the processors or AMD not being able to produce enough chips who knows

and regarding the XPS 700 that was b/c Dell had so many pre orders and such and they also we're waiting on different motherboards so it was not solely based on the availability of the Core 2 Duos, if it would have been the X2 5000+ in those XPS you probably wouldn't have gotten yours till last week

intel was able to meet most if not all custom builder demands of processors by 7/31...and on top of that they were avaiable at online e-tailers like newegg and zipzoomfly before that


What you have to remember is that AMD was not going to charge $300 for this chip. The only reason they dropped the price was because Intel tried to undercut them. It has been available at a good price at places like Monarch Computer(Tier 2) if you bought a PC, but then Dell started getting orders and that's when the price jumped.

As they (AMD) get all of the 1MB chips out they will pick up shipments of 5000+, 5200+. They have to keep Dell in clover. I'm sure that by Q107, Dell will be back to number one and AMD will be real close to 30%.

I wouls say it's a veritable tie with it and FX62. 5000+ was right on it's heels at 2.6GHz.

Whether Dell can be the no.1 and AMD can grab 30% market share is not related to x2 5000+ and x2 5200+ avaliability.


Because you have to attack anything I say you would read that into it. Those occurrences are not purported to be because of the chips but because of the volume AMD is obviously providing them.

Every machine Dell sells is one that MAY NOT have sold without them. IF everyone is getting 90% of their orders and Dell is getting 30% of their volume from AMD, that probably (just guessing) works out to an additional 10-15% share.

Dell commands about 15% of x86 CPU market.
30% of 15% is only ~5%.

"only" 5% is a massive amount of market share to gain for AMD.

I doubt it. I'm sure they could have gone Dell last year but didn't want to lower their prices before the merger announcement.

Also, i just went to monarchcomputer and they have the 5200+ retail chip as the default in their Furia 2 AMD line. The retail price is $525 while the 5000+ is just $25 less for the OEM version.

Strange!

That's not quite true. AMD has never really had a shortage. They sell less processors and are good with inventory. $500 for a chip a step behind FX62 is a good price. Intel just undercut the market with those crazy Core 2 prices.

Intel has about 12 fabs to AMDs two. Of course they will be able to sell more as they will have more to sell. AMD shouldn't play thsi price war game they shol dgo on a smear campaign and talk about how Intel dropped the bottom out of the market and all for 10% of their inventory.

I don't have links to prove it but the fact that AMD dropped their 2*1mb L2 lines a while back seems to indicate to me that they are running pretty close to max capacity.

The addition of Dell, a massive customer who AMD are going to want to keep sweet, likely means that other companies are feeling a slight AMD shortage, however this will be offset by the recent demand for Core 2 Duos, which are sure to have caused the percentage of AMD based systems ordered to have fallen at least in the enthusiast market, probably elsewhere.

Either way, if AMD are running at or near capacity, it is a good thing for us in the long run. A company that is able to sell as many products as it can manage to produce is a healthy one, and one that will continue to compete for years to come.

IMHO were it not for the competition represented by AMD we would be on about 2.0 GHz P4s right now, at higher price points, and Intel would be in no hurry to change that. Not that I'm saying AMD are all good and happy, without Intel we'd be on 1.6 GHz Athlon XPs

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Everyone knows they are running at max capacity - Fab 30 is said to be running at 125% - they discontinued the 1MB chips because they gave no real advantage over 512K and they heeded to get as much wafer as possible for the price war and volume growth.

It is not a bad thing to give a discount to someone who buys 10X more than anyone else (exaggerated - not meant to reflect AMD orders).

Desire fuels innovation not competition. nVidia had no REAL competition for a few years and continually increased the bar.

Like most people say, the average buyer wouldnt know what Core 2 was in reference to PD or X2. If the PCs are placed up front they will sell first. If they are less expensive - look at X2 vs. Core 2 at Dell - they will sell first.

If you think about it 3800+ to 5200+ will look better than 6300 to 6800 - especially when the 6800 is $400 more than 6700.

That's not to mention 5xx, 6xx, 8xx, 9xx, with this chipset and that chipset.

AMD is in a good position for differentiation, which will help them keep growing even with Core 2 ramping.

The new X2's 4800/5200+ are 2 x 1mb. Not sure if you were aware of this. The cache drop was only temporary.

There are no new 4800+ and 5200+ is set to be the last X2 with 1MB. All 939 is EOL next month while 4000+ and 4400+ are gone from AM2. And no 65nm chips have 1MB. Even Barcelona is 512K.

I would think that there is surprising demand for the 4800+ but I haven't seen anything from AMD saying that they continuing 1MB in AM2. I believe the 5200+ was announced before the decision to cancel 1MB chips so they definitely made some.

It may also be that they want 1MB chips at the higher price points.

Thanks for the info but as i thought and read further into the article it says

even later on it says both companies hold about a 17% of world market share so their about even with HP just beating Dell

I guess even though i never even at all implied it but was refering to the US market which i'm sure is what Baron is referring and since that is where alot of people are around here

I'm pleased to see HP getting very competitive whether i have bought their pcs or not it seems to me that HP is going in the right direction and Dell in the wrong one, not only do i disagree with their BTX style case and propriatary components but their customer support has become diluted...

HP seems like its on top of its game already offering AMD and Intel processors and hopefully some interesting improvements with the acquisition of Voodoo, HP uses standard ATX and any regular psu can be used in their cases which would/is a major selling point for me, i know this means nothing to the average users but atleast i know HP isn't trying to rip me off when my psu dies...

as far as HP printer cartridges well thats another story for another thread..

also hp offers great servers from what i've heard that are some of the best in the industry

oh and sorry for hijacking the thread