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October 26, 2006 3:09:09 PM

I plan to do upgrade my comp this weekend and i got on around 200 quids to spend on a cpu, a motherboard and few sticks of ram. Originally, i plan to buy amd sempron 64 bit 3000 socket 754 cost 65 quid from pcworld as i can't buy stuff online yet as I'm still a student :oops:  and that goes with a NFORCE 3A AMD Motherboard. But after reading the article on overclocking p4 d805 to 4.1, well i just like to overclock it to 3.5 or 3.6 and it's also dual core so that make me change my mind a little and it costs 79 quid!

So any suggestions would be appreciated!
Oh, my first post here. Greeting to you guys.

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October 26, 2006 4:03:16 PM

PentiumD 805, off course.
October 26, 2006 4:10:44 PM

Save money and get a better system...
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October 26, 2006 4:10:52 PM

So whats preventing you from buying online again?
October 26, 2006 4:14:11 PM

the riser board (for the asrock PCI-e/agp board) from what ive heard is fairly expensive, so if you wanted to go with am2, the least expensive route would just be to purchase an am2 cpu/motherboard/ddr2 memory instead

also, as far as the 805 dual core... i would suggest going for that, for several reasons...

1) its dual core, so you immediately have a boost in performance/responsiveness/productivity right away, compared to a single core solution. not to mention the boost from apps that can take direct advantage of a dual core cpu

2) its inexpensive like you were saying.

3) you did say you were only OCing as high as 3.6, so the requirement for an aftermarket cooler isnt quite as high... couldnt hurt either way though (such as being able to keep noise levels down), but its not a necessity then as far as temperatures are concerned, i wouldnt think anyhow.

oh, and welcome to toms hardware :) 
October 26, 2006 4:34:31 PM

Go with the D805, with the stock cooler you can hit 3.3-3.6 depending on ambient and your case air flow. You can find a cheap LGA775 board and 1GB of DDR2 memory and be good to go! Any more questions just ask back on the forums.
October 26, 2006 7:44:34 PM

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I plan to do upgrade my comp this weekend and i got on around 200 quids to spend on a cpu, a motherboard and few sticks of ram. Originally, i plan to buy amd sempron 64 bit 3000 socket 754 cost 65 quid from pcworld as i can't buy stuff online yet as I'm still a student :oops:  and that goes with a NFORCE 3A AMD Motherboard. But after reading the article on overclocking p4 d805 to 4.1, well i just like to overclock it to 3.5 or 3.6 and it's also dual core so that make me change my mind a little and it costs 79 quid!

So any suggestions would be appreciated!
Oh, my first post here. Greeting to you guys.

PD805 smashes the Sempron 3000+ in multitasking and multithreading but in single threaded apps the 3000+ gets the upper hand. Don't forget you're calculating the Sempron as retail and the 805 as OEM because the Semprom 3000+ OEM may be below $50 and with another %50 you get the board leaving ~$100 for 1G of RAM while the 805 with a more expensive board will drain your RAM budget.
Core2 is the champ now but with your budget, I'd get an AM2 Sempron system with healthy 1G RAM and after say six months upgrade to an Athlon X2. C2D is great but X2s hold their own and you will get something clearly superior to a 805 with still an open upgrade path.
October 26, 2006 7:56:24 PM

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... i can't buy stuff online yet as I'm still a student ...

Most online sites accept PayPal, checks, money orders, etc. You just need to check their web site for the exact procedures.
October 26, 2006 9:45:59 PM

I was able to stably o/c to 3.6 with stock fan, but not stable on heavy load.


3.3ghz with stock fan is what I have now, and it's more or less stable, although it heats up fairly fast when under heavy load. I'd still recommend the 805 D, though. Price/performance, for the small amount you pay, you get a hell of a lot of bang, and you can always upgrade the fan & hs at a later date.

Cheers
October 26, 2006 10:22:23 PM

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Go with the D805, with the stock cooler you can hit 3.3-3.6 depending on ambient and your case air flow. You can find a cheap LGA775 board and 1GB of DDR2 memory and be good to go! Any more questions just ask back on the forums.


I dont understand. Why a 805 or a sempron64 3000+? The 3600+ is the same price as the 805.
Regardless, the 805 will beat up the sempron simply cause its dual core and have a longer lifespan, application and game-wise. Use the stock fan and go for a small overclock.
The only reason would be because a Sempron/AM2 mombo is cheaper than a 805/775 mombo allowing you to buy more RAM (tha budget was $200). Especially if the LGA 775 board is not Core2 friendly, upgrading gets limited while AM2 has still a lot to show.
October 26, 2006 10:25:52 PM

ASRock 775Dual-VSTA ($60?) + 805D ($95?) + AGP (EXISTING) or PCIe video card. Then, later you could drop in a C2D.
October 27, 2006 10:31:46 AM

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ASRock 775Dual-VSTA ($60?) + 805D ($95?) + AGP (EXISTING) or PCIe video card. Then, later you could drop in a C2D.

ASRock AM2NF6G-VSTA ($60) + Sempron 3000+ ($35) + 1G RAM ~$100.
October 27, 2006 10:39:22 AM

Thanks alot for your replies, i feel like it's a very warm welcome from tom hardware :) . I read the thread few time try to make some sense out before i reply and i have to agree with m25. I wanted an amd sempron because it's cheaper with a motherboard so it leaves me plenty of money to go for rams but like others said d805 is a open door, the downside is i will spend more money on motherboard and leaves a little money to go rams. And i won't spend more money on upgrade computer for next few years as it will go to my university fee 8O :(  .

Ah, i don't have a credit card at a moment so answer some of you guys question but i did a look up and some online sellers have postal orders but it takes much longer 7-10 days in amazon.co.uk case but i think i will give it a go at some point.

So i decided to go for a P4 D805 and concenstrate money on a good motherboard but not too much so i can still buy some rams :D .
Thanks again!
October 27, 2006 10:49:49 AM

Whatever you get, concentrate on what you need when you're on a tight budget. For example, If I was to work on 2D/3D graphics, I'd get a dirt cheap CPU and motherboard and spare money for a lot of RAM because it's the forst thing you run out of working like that, For a gaming system concentrate on a good video card then get the rest with the money left etc.
October 27, 2006 12:34:12 PM

Thanks for the suggestions! I will take them into account.
October 28, 2006 1:34:32 AM

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Yeah like the last post said. Get what you can afford that will do what you need it to.
I gotta tell you my Sempron64 3600+ overclocks to 2.41ghz and plays all our games without a hickup. So dont go overboard, get what you can afford and buy lots of ram. Just remember if you go AM2, I highly recommend DDR2-800 Cas4 or lower. You wont take advantage of its benefits now, but later when you drop in a X2 or a quad core you will be glad you have it. Also there are some good cheap mobos out there for AM2. I have the MSI K9Nneo 550Nforce5, it goes for less than $80.


Isn't that super expensive?
October 28, 2006 9:38:37 AM

lol, yeah it's super expensive. I looked it up and oh man. 8O :D 
October 28, 2006 10:33:15 AM

Are you UK, I assume you are using words like 'quid'...

Have you purchased it yet... If not I would highly recommend you look into getting a Celeron D 356 CPU, unlike the superheated PD805, it will clock up to 4.5GHz+ with just the stock cooling, it has 256k cache, so performs well (THIS IS NOT LIKE CELERONS OF OLD) and what is more, it will leave you enough cash to get a good LGA775 motherboard so you can upgrade at some time in the future to C2D or C2quad.

In single threaded adds (aka games) the Celeron D 356 is much faster then the 805...
October 28, 2006 11:07:26 AM

Yeah, im in uk pal. Thanks for the info, i just have breakfast and prepare to go out. I am now thinking of AM2 Athlon 64 3500+ and an AM2 motherboard. I have to go to pcworld cause i can't shop online (damn!). And there is no decent LGS 775 board in pcworld, well there is one but it cost like 100 quids.
October 28, 2006 11:17:10 AM

How about a Celeron D 336?
October 28, 2006 1:00:40 PM

hmm I if it is really on budget.. I say go for the sempron 64 bit.. I really think systems now need a decent 1 gig of memory more than anything else..sempron is fast enough for current applications..it probably wont let you down..you can even use it on the latest games(given a decent cheap geforce 7 card or even a 6100 integrated)

it is because, in my own point of view basing on the prices here in our country,getting a PD 805 setup(board,processor,RAM)will cost 100$ more

given that 100$ savings you can spend it on a 7300gs 256mb/128bit upgrade if you want to

but PD 805 the one at 2.6 clock is quite cheap and a bang for the buck already considering that it is a dual cored processor. Definetly it will work better than the sempron64 most especially in multi-tasking..but remember you also need good RAM in multitasking

but 1 gig/ Sempron 3000+ and Quad Core ready board(for the future) is a decent rig for a student like you and me

the problem with cheap LGA boards is that they are not Core 2 ready unlike the cheap AM2 counterparts in which they can be installed with any AM2 processors today
October 28, 2006 1:17:27 PM

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Are you UK, I assume you are using words like 'quid'...

Have you purchased it yet... If not I would highly recommend you look into getting a Celeron D 356 CPU, unlike the superheated PD805, it will clock up to 4.5GHz+ with just the stock cooling, it has 256k cache, so performs well (THIS IS NOT LIKE CELERONS OF OLD) and what is more, it will leave you enough cash to get a good LGA775 motherboard so you can upgrade at some time in the future to C2D or C2quad.

In single threaded adds (aka games) the Celeron D 356 is much faster then the 805...

Yes, but it will perform like the crappiest CPU you can get and apart from running SuperPi blazing fast it's a not so good gamer and a TERRIBLE multitasker, so just don't name it.
Prescott and Cedar Mill cores are the worst ones on this world and even pushing one to 4.5G won't prevent it's pipeline from chrashing tremendously often. Without HT (the case of the celeron), these cores are very bad performers and the slightest multitasking puts them in terrible shame. Everybody who loves the CeleronDs, please, go try a Pentium 519 on virus checking then try to play a video, then think that the celeron D is even worse!
October 28, 2006 1:29:16 PM

Can someone tell me if the celerons this days are good already.. well I got a bad experience with them when they were still on socket 478 version..

well to the person who asked if celeron is good.. well based on my previous experiences I'd say go sempron!! hehehe :D 
October 28, 2006 2:11:09 PM

Have you considered buying used? Being a student, I would think that you could find someone looking to upgrade that might make you a pretty good deal on a decent system that would fit your limited budget. Used computers don't hold their value very well and it's possible to find some good bargains, if you look hard enough.

Having cash is a powerful bargaining chip, when dealing with another student, and when you buy used, it's a tax free transaction.
October 28, 2006 2:19:20 PM

Yeah its a good idea. I got my current PC through bargain also.. although I modified this one a little already

But it can be quite a hassle..

I mean you could build a rig more or less 300$ with Sempron or A64 with everything brand new including casing..and its pretty exciting to build a computer on your own hehehe

Plus its 64 bit so its vista ready..you probably get some bargains today but with the old p4 or Socket A amds.
October 28, 2006 2:39:07 PM

Keep in mind that the OP is in the UK. I doubt that new component prices are even close to what you enjoy in the Philippines. Also, don't forget the UK's VAT rate, currently at 17.5%.
October 28, 2006 2:44:55 PM

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Plus its 64 bit so its vista ready...

You don't need 64 bit to run Vista. I'm running 32 bit Vista Ultimate.
October 28, 2006 2:53:01 PM

Oh I see.. now I know..thanks for the info hehehe

but I probably bet you still need at least sempron 64 and GeForce 6 to get your PC going when vista comes around.. I saw in a magazine that they tested vista using a GeForce 5 gpu and it had fragments in the sides..

so saving that 100$ for a good GPU rather than a better processor is a better idea for me.. it is my opinion though
October 28, 2006 3:06:02 PM

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How about a Celeron D 336?


Only the 352 and 356 use the 65nm core, do not go lower as the old Celerons really are poor... PS I forgot the 352 and 356 have 512k cache...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/16/intel_desktop_r...

slap head - bad that I forgot - seeing as I have a 356... The 356 is noticeably faster than the AMD 2800+ I have in my older PC. The reason I get the 356 was I got a new PCI express system, but want to wait for Core2quad, so I spent £45 on a Celeron CPU rather than going for anything more expensive...

The only saving grace of the Semperons are the availability of good, cheap motherboards. If you are on a real budget the NVIDIA 6150 chipsets are OK, (steer clear of the 6100’s as they lack Pure Video and are a bit slower). The 6150 will run Vista for example no issues, and will run older games like WoW on medium ish settings well, and leave you the PCI express slot for future use.
October 28, 2006 3:10:55 PM

PS if you go Semperon, get an AM2 motherboard, always try to futureproof your motherboard, if will payback in time..
October 28, 2006 3:21:19 PM

Lastly - get yourself a bank account, you do not need to be a mega earner to have one.... My 15 year old daughter has an account she can use for online shopping, and all I give her is £30 a month.... Having a good long backing history will help you later on in life when you need the banks..
October 28, 2006 3:37:10 PM

Personally I've been a big fan of AMD due to price / performance. But I did build an 805 machine which runs at 3.6hz with an after market Zalman cooler. And I think it's great. The heasink, chip and motherboard cost me about $200 and then you need to add memory. I opted for some expensive PC2-6400 but there's no reason to not opt for some cheaper DDR2 to keep within your budget.

There's no way to future proof for Vista as I imagine that in a years time we'll all be telling you to buy a hybrid hard drive and a DX10 ( or even DX11 ) graphics card to get the REAL experience. As it stands right now I can run Vista on my 805 machine with my 6800xt and still get to see the interface tweaks. But actually after I installed the RC2 I felt that it wasn't that special anyway. That's the problem with the OS hype... often when you get a good look at something it isn't that great. Perhaps the performance improvements will be important but as there isn't anything designed for Vista yet... what's the point of worrying about it.

Anyway... enjoy your new build, I hope you can find a good shop (store) to buy your equipment from. When I was a student in the UK they used to have a local computer fair every month. They were great for computer parts. Whether they still exist I am not sure, but they used to have great deals on 2Mb Diamond Viper graphic cards and 210Mb Hard Drives ( see it was a while ago ). :wink:
October 28, 2006 4:03:06 PM

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ASRock 775Dual-VSTA ($60?) + 805D ($95?) + AGP (EXISTING) or PCIe video card. Then, later you could drop in a C2D.

ASRock AM2NF6G-VSTA ($60) + Sempron 3000+ ($35<-this is BS) + 1G RAM ~$100.

According to AMD's last price drops on 23th of Octorber 2006, the tray Sempron 3000+ in quantity of 1000 pieces costs $56.
http://www.amd.com/gb-uk/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_609,00.html
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AMD Processor Pricing
Effective 23rd October 2006

Prices below are subject to change without notice. This listing reflects pricing for direct AMD customers in 1000-unit tray quantities, except when designated as PIB quantities.

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Sempron 3000+ (64-bit, 1.6GHz, 256KB L2 cache, 1600MHz HyperTransport bus, AM2) $56
Sempron 3000+ (64-bit, 1.8GHz, 128KB L2 cache, 1600MHz HyperTransport bus, 754-pin) $56
October 28, 2006 4:43:34 PM

If you want a Sempron, at least get one of the newer socket AM2 ones. However, I'd take a cheap Athlon 64 over the Sempron or D-805.
October 28, 2006 4:58:54 PM

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ASRock 775Dual-VSTA ($60?) + 805D ($95?) + AGP (EXISTING) or PCIe video card. Then, later you could drop in a C2D.

ASRock AM2NF6G-VSTA ($60) + Sempron 3000+ ($35<-this is BS) + 1G RAM ~$100.

According to AMD's last price drops on 23th of Octorber 2006, the tray Sempron 3000+ in quantity of 1000 pieces costs $56.
http://www.amd.com/gb-uk/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_609,00.html
Quote:
AMD Processor Pricing
Effective 23rd October 2006

Prices below are subject to change without notice. This listing reflects pricing for direct AMD customers in 1000-unit tray quantities, except when designated as PIB quantities.

Quote:
Sempron 3000+ (64-bit, 1.6GHz, 256KB L2 cache, 1600MHz HyperTransport bus, AM2) $56
Sempron 3000+ (64-bit, 1.8GHz, 128KB L2 cache, 1600MHz HyperTransport bus, 754-pin) $56

Talking about AM2 semprons,....
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..the tray Sempron 3000+ in quantity of 1000 pieces costs $56.<<<THis is the REAL BS

The OEM has jumped to ~$40 the last days.
Newegg has it RETAIL & w free shipping @ $56 so you can guestimate the real price at about $40.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
October 28, 2006 5:21:04 PM

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ASRock 775Dual-VSTA ($60?) + 805D ($95?) + AGP (EXISTING) or PCIe video card. Then, later you could drop in a C2D.

ASRock AM2NF6G-VSTA ($60) + Sempron 3000+ ($35<-this is BS) + 1G RAM ~$100.

According to AMD's last price drops on 23th of Octorber 2006, the tray Sempron 3000+ in quantity of 1000 pieces costs $56.
http://www.amd.com/gb-uk/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_609,00.ht...
Quote:
AMD Processor Pricing
Effective 23rd October 2006

Prices below are subject to change without notice. This listing reflects pricing for direct AMD customers in 1000-unit tray quantities, except when designated as PIB quantities.

Quote:
Sempron 3000+ (64-bit, 1.6GHz, 256KB L2 cache, 1600MHz HyperTransport bus, AM2) $56
Sempron 3000+ (64-bit, 1.8GHz, 128KB L2 cache, 1600MHz HyperTransport bus, 754-pin) $56

Talking about AM2 semprons,....
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..the tray Sempron 3000+ in quantity of 1000 pieces costs $56.<<<THis is the REAL BS

The OEM has jumped to ~$40 the last days.
Newegg has it RETAIL & w free shipping @ $56 so you can guestimate the real price at about $40.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Why don't you take a look at the AMD official pricing list at their website. The addres is bolded and the size of the font is HUGE.
October 28, 2006 5:41:50 PM

Keep it chill, M25 is a good dude
October 28, 2006 5:49:20 PM

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Why don't you take a look at the AMD official pricing list at their website. The addres is bolded and the size of the font is HUGE

Because my logic tells me there is some problem with that price since
1-newegg sells the 3000+ with a HSF, 3year warranty & free shipping for the same price they claim 1000 tray units.
2-A week ago, ewiz.com had OEM AM2 3000+s for $40
3-The AMD official website is not an updating champion :lol: 
October 28, 2006 6:03:47 PM

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Keep it chill, M25 is a good dude
I guess you are right, I need one of these:

and one of these:


And, yes. M25 is a good dude. He deservers one of these also.
October 28, 2006 6:14:50 PM

Nope just one of these:
October 28, 2006 6:40:52 PM

hehe :lol: 
I prefer configurations with big boobies more than configurations with fat asses. But in such an urgent situation my hardware will fit perfect in the configuration you have recmomended to me :lol: 
October 28, 2006 6:59:17 PM

jeez, i can see the topic is getting h0t. But i like it, you guys are so helpful. Anyway i got the motherboard today, it's a ECS NFORCE4M-A V1.1 with AM2 socket and it supports any AM2 socket from sempron to dualcore and FX. I think it's not a bad board actually, got it for £65 though. Here is the link for spec: http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products/ProductsDetail.as... , it got some nice features as well. :D 

So tomorrow i will go buy a cpu and rams. I still try to make my mind up between a AMD Athlon 3500 AM2 (£65) or Sempron 3400 AM2 (£56) (Sempron AM2 is 64 bits, yes?)

Ah, i got to get a pci express graphic card as well (damn) cause this board doesn't support old agp and i got nvidia gforce 6200 256mb for the old board. So if you can recommend one for this too :D 

I don't use my comp for gaming much. Well, i do play game but i'm not a gamer. Counter Strike anybody :D  :) ? CS:Condition Zero is the best game in my collection! I use my comp mainly for coding and running linux (testing stuff, compiling...kde, gnome, kernel,pufff...anybody here have tried it with p3 processor under 1ghz? lol)

Talk about bargain computer part, in fact I did go to one of the computer fair today in Stratford. I was very impress but also disappointed when it comes down to cpu. The price is just as high as store like pcword or even higher. I spotted an AMD DualCore X3800 for £89 and my heart beat faster and blood pressure went up as well, lol. I was being greedy. Other then that, other computer parts are seem to be good bargain.

One more thing, jamesgoddard if i date your daughter would you open me a bank account? 8O (just kidding, you can think of me as a funny guy :D  :)  )
October 28, 2006 7:03:19 PM

P.s I have no idea what ram to get for my mobo, it supports DDR2 up to 800mgz?

And lol, you guys posted the picture when i was writing up my reply so i thought I was in wrong website. :D 
October 28, 2006 7:13:48 PM

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So tomorrow i will go buy a cpu and rams. I still try to make my mind up between a AMD Athlon 3500 AM2 (£65) or Sempron 3400 AM2 (£56) (Sempron AM2 is 64 bits, yes?)

Let me make a decision for you, choose the Athlon64 3500 AM2.
It has twice L2 cache(512kB vs 256kB), faster HTT (2000MHz vs 1600MHz) and it is clocked 22.2% higher(2200MHz vs 1800MHz).
It is 25% faster in performance than the Sempron 3400, but it is 16% more expencive. It is better "bang for the buck", it is faster and offers more overclocking configurations.
And yes, all sAM2 CPUs are 64bit capable
October 28, 2006 7:20:47 PM

okay, fair enough. You made up my mind :D  . Thanks!
October 31, 2006 3:14:52 PM

well, finally i finished assemble my system from last sunday with amd athlon 64 am2 socket 3500+ and 1gig of ddr2 553 and asus en7300le pci-express graphic card.

Thanks everybody!!! :)  :)  :) 
!