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Ok, so what is the deciding factor of how fast a card runs?

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I'm needing to upgrade my old graphics card, and while putzing around on Newegg I've found that there are several things I don't know about what makes a card fast.

For example: core clock speed, memory clock speed, pixel pipelines, 256mb vs 512mb. What ones effect things the most? Do I want a card with say, 500+ core clock, 1000+ memory clock and 256mb, or would a 500 core, 800 memory and 512mb run faster?

Sorry for being brief, on break at work :)

EDIT: Sorry, I'll link the two cards I'm referring to when I get a chance, the ghetto work computer I'm on decided not to load anything on newegg's page anymore.

Ok...
http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 814102666R
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http://www.newegg.com/product/prod [...] 6814161024

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What cards do you have in mind.

Those questions, although valid, can't be answer in a manner where you find out the right info.

Reply to prozac26
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Architecture, GPU speed, memory bus width, and memory speed are all more important than the amount of RAM on the card.

Read the graphics beginner's guide here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/0 [...] page6.html

Reply to Cleeve
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Nowadays its difficult if not impossible to give you an answer that is a hard and fast rule for comparing clock/memory speeds or even 512mb vs 256mb of ram anymore. The BEST answer I can give you is that the way to tell is with real-world benchmarks.

Decide what games you play. RPG, FPS, strategy, etc.
Find reviews on the cards in your price range.
Depending on how the review scores compared over several sites weigh then you can make an educated decision for yourself which card suits you best.

This might not be a quick short answer that you'd like but the days of comparing clocks and such to determine which is best (even in the CPU world) is pretty much over. Good luck with the hunt.

As the above poster said, if you say which cards you're looking for along with a price range to hit the people on the boards can be of some help. Also what games do you currently play?

Reply to Talon

Mainly, I've been playing Battlefield 2142. I'm also in the beta of a certain MMO, but I obviously can't say which because of the NDA, and since its beta, that is not the reason I'm upgrading, because its not optimized yet.

Right now my machine is great except for the gfx card (ati 9600 pro :x ) and I'm looking for a decent upgrade in the $100-150 range. I just edited my first post to show you two I had in mind.

Reply to Macros0001
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The amount of RAM on those X1600 PROs is irrelevant, they will perform almost identically.

Look to newegg for the X850 PROs. They should be about $130, will run circles around the X1600s, and are the most powerful sub-$150 AGP cards by FAR.

Reply to Cleeve
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The sapphire card is vastly superior to the HIS one. It has higher clocked core and memory. For lower-mid range cards like this, you definately don't need 512MB ram. The core and mem speeds are much more important.

**EDIT** Also, the Sapphire card is quite a bit cheaper, although it is 'open box'.

Reply to gm0n3y

Awesome, thanks for the input guys.

Cleeve...you said take a look at the X850 PROs. I found this one...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102606. Seems like a good card, however, after reading some of the customer reviews, people talk about unlocking the other 4 pipes, making the card much better.

Does anyone know what that means? Someone gave some info about something called Dolf's autoflashing cd to unlock the extra 4 pipes for better performance, and said you can just google "dolf r481" and find it. Any ideas?

Reply to Macros0001

Well, it has 4 locked pipelines, while 12 are active.

Unlocking the extra pipelines means the 16 will be active, just like the X850XTs.

Reply to prozac26

Now, would there be any disadvantage to doing that if I can? I supposed it would get hotter, but I'm going to snag a fan for it anyway.

Reply to Macros0001

RE: Cleeve:

Also, thanks for that link to the beginners guide, just figured out so much about it :D

I'll keep asking questions here though, you guys are great.

Reply to Macros0001

These days, the number of pixel processing units seems to be the king. Be on the lookout for PPUs or Pixel Pipelines data. A card with double the pipes can be as fast as a card with a normal amount of pipes but double the core clock.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Graphics Gurus.
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Reply to celewign

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Now, would there be any disadvantage to doing that if I can? I supposed it would get hotter, but I'm going to snag a fan for it anyway.


Not really.

You'll get better performance, and I don't think heat would be such a big issue anyway.

But if you get wrong BIOS, and flash the wrong BIOS, you're card is basically dead. So it's quite a big risk.

Reply to prozac26
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Wouldn't get all that much hotter. Free performance.

But I wouldn't count on it working. Even if it doesn't work though, it's the fastest AGP card you can get under $150...

Reply to Cleeve

Why wouldn't it work, Cleeve?
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Reply to celewign

Alright. Thanks for all the great info guys. Gonna be getting a card in another week or so, I'll let you know how it worked out.

Reply to Macros0001
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Not every card can be unlocked. ONly specific models that haven't been laser cut at the factory will work.

Reply to Cleeve

OIC.
Well, the geometry pipelines of DX10 will change everything.
-cm

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