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C2D E6300 or X2 5000

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October 28, 2006 8:38:57 PM

I found 2 computers on sale from HP.

One is $999 with E6300, 2 gigs RAM and 320 Gb hd.

The other is $930 with Athlon X2 5000+, rest of hardware is the same.

Both include a 19" monitor and nvidia graphics.

Which one is better and/or the better deal?

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October 28, 2006 9:00:20 PM

The Core 2 would perform worse, according to the CPU charts, but the AMD would need good RAM to perform...

Do they tell you the speed+latency of the RAM?
October 28, 2006 9:03:41 PM

The speed of the DDR2 HP RAM is 533
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October 28, 2006 9:06:08 PM

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Ideally DDR2-800 cas4. Either way I'd go with the 5000+.


What if I got one with an e6400? Would that beat the 5000?
October 28, 2006 9:07:17 PM

Then the AMD would slow down a little... but not enough to matter. Go for the
AMD.
October 28, 2006 9:08:08 PM

go with the e6300, no doubt about it, it oces like crazy and could be oced on air to stock x6800 but you'll need to get a better ram though(ddr2 800 cl5 or cl4)
October 28, 2006 9:08:47 PM

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Ideally DDR2-800 cas4. Either way I'd go with the 5000+.


What if I built my own with an e6400? Would that beat the 5000?

hell yeah, check my sig 8)
October 28, 2006 9:09:22 PM

What do you mean by better? To get high end performance you need to build your own.
October 28, 2006 9:09:39 PM

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go with the e6300, no doubt about it, it oces like crazy and could be oced on air to stock x6800 but you'll need to get a better ram though(ddr2 800 cl5 or cl4)


Dude i'm talkin' hp comp.s right now. No upgrades or ocing.
October 28, 2006 9:10:37 PM

i see, i agree with 1KGH , you'll be better off building your own
October 28, 2006 9:11:55 PM

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i see, i agree with 1KGH , you'll be better off building your own


Well I can't find any better deals if I built my own.
October 28, 2006 9:14:11 PM

what is your budget, no more than a $1k?
October 28, 2006 9:33:03 PM

Not if he buys a monitor as well. Look on newegg. an e6300 build w/ monitor would run for over a grand.

Sonata II w/ 450 Smartpower: $100
DS3: $145
XFX 7600 GT:$150
e6300: $181
Kingston ValueRAM 2 GB: $220
7200.10 320 GB: $95
Generic Keyboard+Mouse: $6
Acer 19": $196
LG DVD ROM: $17
XP Home: $90
Total: About $1200

If he cuts down the graphics to a 7300 GT 8O, it would be $1120.
If he cuts down mobo to a Gigabyte 945P S3 and keeps the 7300, it would be $1070.
By this point, it would be better to get the HP.
October 28, 2006 10:06:30 PM

Well, the 5000+ is already faster, and since it's 60$ cheaper, you might want to see if you can get faster ram (from HP, if instead you have to sell the installed ram and buy the new somewherelse it is probably not worth it).
Perhaps DDR2-667 would be a good compromise between price and performance.
October 28, 2006 10:33:51 PM

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I found 2 computers on sale from HP.

One is $999 with E6300, 2 gigs RAM and 320 Gb hd.

The other is $930 with Athlon X2 5000+, rest of hardware is the same.

Both include a 19" monitor and nvidia graphics.

Which one is better and/or the better deal?



I'd say go for a Celeron. It'll whip both of thsoe chips......in lack of perf.
:oops: 
October 28, 2006 10:49:44 PM

Your Newegg build includes a 7600gt a great upgrade no doubt. The HP is going to have onboard graphics, probably 6200 with turbo cache. So technically, they are the same price when that upgrade is accounted for.
October 29, 2006 1:40:41 AM

The x2 5000 is a good chip but the e6400 is aswell... Id rather go for the e6400 in my opinion. In games the e6400 would be faster. Read some benchmarks the new Intel core 2 duo conroe chips are better in overall Gaming. If you have just alittle more the e6600 beats all of amd's line up including the fx-62 at almost every single benchmark except some sciencemark tests on occasions..

Thats just my 2 cents. :lol: 
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October 29, 2006 6:01:04 AM

If cost is an issue then go with the Athlon 64 5000+.

A savings of $70 is not a bad trade off for slightly lower overall performance that you will probably not notice unless you use benchmarking programs.

One thing you may want to consider is the Core 2 Duo E6300 consumes 44w of power underload compared to 100w that the Athlon 64 X2 5000+ consumes under full load. That means using the E6300 will give you more headroom for upgrades without having to replace the power supply.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-s...
October 29, 2006 8:27:28 AM

Can anybody provide more links concerning the power consumption of C2D Vs A64 X2?
Cause i'd really like to know more about this: the xbit-lab here quoted used a special SW to "...measure the maximum power consumption [...]. We measured the current that goes through the CPU power circuitry. So, the numbers given below do not take into account the efficiency of the CPU voltage regulator laid out on the mainboard"
Now this method seems to me to be totally unreliable, and is contradicted by this article from Tom's HW (link) which however has a very limited number of CPUs being tested (setting aside the "energy efficient" CPUs, it's basically an X2 3800+ Vs C2D E6400.
Sure the E6400 is clocked slightly higher, but this result is nowhere near xbit lab's "X6800 cosumes less than X2 3800+"...
October 29, 2006 12:25:04 PM

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I found 2 computers on sale from HP.

One is $999 with E6300, 2 gigs RAM and 320 Gb hd.

The other is $930 with Athlon X2 5000+, rest of hardware is the same.

Both include a 19" monitor and nvidia graphics.

Which one is better and/or the better deal?

Depends what are the rest of the parts and your purposes
October 29, 2006 8:33:42 PM

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I found 2 computers on sale from HP.

One is $999 with E6300, 2 gigs RAM and 320 Gb hd.

The other is $930 with Athlon X2 5000+, rest of hardware is the same.

Both include a 19" monitor and nvidia graphics.

Which one is better and/or the better deal?


Get the AMD. The graphic card will be a gaming limiting factor for now, and the 5000+ is no sloush CPU. so, if you are ready to put an extra 69$, get the 5000+ and upgrade the HDD if you are doing business/video-multimedia work or the graphic card if you game.

Since it is an HP, there will be no possibility to OC in the very limited BIOS options.. but you are assured to get a nice stable and fast machine
October 29, 2006 9:23:35 PM

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go with the e6300, no doubt about it, it oces like crazy and could be oced on air to stock x6800 but you'll need to get a better ram though(ddr2 800 cl5 or cl4)

How can u assume it will oc like crazy? Do you made the chip? The mobo? Do you know what mobo is? Ram brand?? Psu and gfx card?

do me a favor and STFU
October 30, 2006 12:36:35 AM

but what if the BIOS doesnt have any overclocking option, like it is the case with HP,Dell,...?
October 30, 2006 12:46:09 AM

Then I guess you'd be screwed. Don't buy a Dell to OC.
October 30, 2006 9:03:58 AM

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I found 2 computers on sale from HP.

One is $999 with E6300, 2 gigs RAM and 320 Gb hd.

The other is $930 with Athlon X2 5000+, rest of hardware is the same.

Both include a 19" monitor and nvidia graphics.

Which one is better and/or the better deal?


There was a lot of good info in this thread for you, as well as some of the typical BS

Understand that buying from Dell, HP etc is no cost savings over building yourself. Yes, you may get a product cheaper, but you are getting less than you paid for. Dell, HP and the rest cut corners wherever they can, so those machines are coming with questionable PSUs, cheap cases, generic motherboards and RAM. While it is true that several of todays name brand mobo and PSU manufacturers started off as OEM suppliers, that doesnt mean your getting a quality part. The only way to be sure you are getting the parts you pay for is to build it yourself. In the long run, comparing cash outlay to product received, it is still cheaper to DIY than than buying the Dell "Dude".

As far as the system goes, you didnt give much detail. Thats kind of critical where the video is concerned.

Right now, retail prices on the AMD X25000 still fall in the catagory of "ridiculous": $316, so its really not a viable option for doing it yourself. The X23800 is still a strong value though, especially if you were to consider overclocking.

For a scratch E6300 system using quality parts:



Remember, you get what you pay for. There are no 'magic' deals at HP or Dell
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October 30, 2006 12:46:00 PM

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Understand that buying from Dell, HP etc is no cost savings over building yourself. Yes, you may get a product cheaper, but you are getting less than you paid for. Dell, HP and the rest cut corners wherever they can, so those machines are coming with questionable PSUs, cheap cases, generic motherboards and RAM.

Remember, you get what you pay for. There are no 'magic' deals at HP or Dell


Not everyone wants to build their own PCs though. Many people just want a PC good enough for their needs with the comfort of having tech support, however good or bad it may be. If they are not technically inclined and don't want the hassle of trying to fix their own PC problems then a brandname PC is the preferred choice.
October 30, 2006 2:23:19 PM

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Understand that buying from Dell, HP etc is no cost savings over building yourself. Yes, you may get a product cheaper, but you are getting less than you paid for. Dell, HP and the rest cut corners wherever they can, so those machines are coming with questionable PSUs, cheap cases, generic motherboards and RAM.

Remember, you get what you pay for. There are no 'magic' deals at HP or Dell


Not everyone wants to build their own PCs though. Many people just want a PC good enough for their needs with the comfort of having tech support, however good or bad it may be. If they are not technically inclined and don't want the hassle of trying to fix their own PC problems then a brandname PC is the preferred choice.


Yes yes....very true. I did want to make sure he understood that there was more to what he was looking at than simply "E6300, X2 5000" and "Graphics by Nvidia". Kind of like going to a show room and buying a a car because it has racing stripes. The paint job doesnt mean its a racer.
October 31, 2006 8:37:29 PM

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Not if he buys a monitor as well. Look on newegg. an e6300 build w/ monitor would run for over a grand.

Sonata II w/ 450 Smartpower: $100
DS3: $145
XFX 7600 GT:$150
e6300: $181
Kingston ValueRAM 2 GB: $220
7200.10 320 GB: $95
Generic Keyboard+Mouse: $6
Acer 19": $196
LG DVD ROM: $17
XP Home: $90
Total: About $1200

If he cuts down the graphics to a 7300 GT 8O, it would be $1120.
If he cuts down mobo to a Gigabyte 945P S3 and keeps the 7300, it would be $1070.
By this point, it would be better to get the HP.


Thanks for proving my point!
October 31, 2006 9:12:40 PM

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Not if he buys a monitor as well. Look on newegg. an e6300 build w/ monitor would run for over a grand.

Sonata II w/ 450 Smartpower: $100
DS3: $145
XFX 7600 GT:$150
e6300: $181
Kingston ValueRAM 2 GB: $220
7200.10 320 GB: $95
Generic Keyboard+Mouse: $6
Acer 19": $196
LG DVD ROM: $17
XP Home: $90
Total: About $1200

If he cuts down the graphics to a 7300 GT 8O, it would be $1120.
If he cuts down mobo to a Gigabyte 945P S3 and keeps the 7300, it would be $1070.
By this point, it would be better to get the HP.


Thanks for proving my point!

But you do understand that buying the HP or Dell will NOT get you this level of quality parts, correct?
October 31, 2006 9:14:18 PM

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Not if he buys a monitor as well. Look on newegg. an e6300 build w/ monitor would run for over a grand.

Sonata II w/ 450 Smartpower: $100
DS3: $145
XFX 7600 GT:$150
e6300: $181
Kingston ValueRAM 2 GB: $220
7200.10 320 GB: $95
Generic Keyboard+Mouse: $6
Acer 19": $196
LG DVD ROM: $17
XP Home: $90
Total: About $1200

If he cuts down the graphics to a 7300 GT 8O, it would be $1120.
If he cuts down mobo to a Gigabyte 945P S3 and keeps the 7300, it would be $1070.
By this point, it would be better to get the HP.


Thanks for proving my point!

But you do understand that buying the HP or Dell will NOT get you this level of quality parts, correct?

Yeah of course, but it counts for the money, right?
October 31, 2006 9:19:01 PM

I'll tell you this right now:
I'd rather know that I have quality parts that won't electrocute my parts that I paid for with hard-earned money than save a couple of bucks and have something stupid hose my investment.
October 31, 2006 9:22:30 PM

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Not if he buys a monitor as well. Look on newegg. an e6300 build w/ monitor would run for over a grand.

Sonata II w/ 450 Smartpower: $100
DS3: $145
XFX 7600 GT:$150
e6300: $181
Kingston ValueRAM 2 GB: $220
7200.10 320 GB: $95
Generic Keyboard+Mouse: $6
Acer 19": $196
LG DVD ROM: $17
XP Home: $90
Total: About $1200

If he cuts down the graphics to a 7300 GT 8O, it would be $1120.
If he cuts down mobo to a Gigabyte 945P S3 and keeps the 7300, it would be $1070.
By this point, it would be better to get the HP.


Thanks for proving my point!

But you do understand that buying the HP or Dell will NOT get you this level of quality parts, correct?

Yeah of course, but it counts for the money, right?

Yeah.
Thats how Dell and HP sell. Key the adverising on one or 2 parts, distract from the rest. But as long as you are aware of you're getting, and know it prolly wont quite match the THG/Anand benchmarks, go for it.
October 31, 2006 9:25:08 PM

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I'll tell you this right now:
I'd rather know that I have quality parts that won't electrocute my parts that I paid for with hard-earned money than save a couple of bucks and have something stupid hose my investment.


Electrocute your parts? An HP comp. is perfectly fine. I'd say it has O.K. quality and good performance. What makes you think it's a piece of crap?
October 31, 2006 10:05:51 PM

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I'll tell you this right now:
I'd rather know that I have quality parts that won't electrocute my parts that I paid for with hard-earned money than save a couple of bucks and have something stupid hose my investment.


Electrocute your parts? An HP comp. is perfectly fine. I'd say it has O.K. quality and good performance. What makes you think it's a piece of crap?

HP computer are good, and will last you as long as needed. they are selling lot of them, so there should be a reason for that. HP wont shoot itself in the foot selling bad computer that they have to support. You only have to understand that they are not as customizable as one you build yourself, but if you are ok with that, then I don't see any problem getting one.
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October 31, 2006 10:08:53 PM

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I'll tell you this right now:
I'd rather know that I have quality parts that won't electrocute my parts that I paid for with hard-earned money than save a couple of bucks and have something stupid hose my investment.


Electrocute your parts? An HP comp. is perfectly fine. I'd say it has O.K. quality and good performance. What makes you think it's a piece of crap?

PCs rolling off of the assembly lines do not use top of the parts. Most don't use parts that falls apart as soon as you hit the power button, but some people may argue that point.

Anywaste, quality tends to be average and the components generally will not have all the bells and whistles, if any. Using bare bone components drives costs down for the PC integrators. After all, Dell or HP can't make money by selling a PC for $1,000 if the parts alone costs $900.

You are on a hardware enthusiats board so there are people that are bound to steer you away from pre-built PCs. Whatever those reasons may be. If you are not technically inclined then building your own PC can more trouble than it's worth and can be a waste of time and money if you screw something up.

The best advice is do whatever you are more comfortable with. If you want the challenge and are willing to spend the time to do it right, then build. If you simply want a PC and want technical support to be just a phone call away, then buy.

Roughly speaking, the average PC consumer will not notice much difference between the E6400 and the X2 5000. The E6400 should offer better performance for slightly more money, but if you haven't used a fast PC like the X2 5000 then you won't how much faster it will be.
October 31, 2006 10:58:06 PM

Thank you jaguar for the unbiased and straightforward helpful answer :) 

I was on my way to write something similar until I got to the last post.
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October 31, 2006 11:05:54 PM

I am going to say get the 5000+ it should be a close bet on speed....
I think it will have a Geforce6150... not for games....but ok for everthing else...If you plan on upgrading that...dont forget the bigger psu....i think they are 300 watts...some are 250.....

Make sure you grab the AMD Dual Core patch....
And disable/uninstall all the extra's.... unless you have an HP printer/camera/scanner and so on....
Those computers also come with allot of wild tangent games that you may want to remove to clean things up a bit....(or...i think you can get one free....)

Other than that...it should be ok....

As for not running top end parts....they are not that bad(my parents 4200+ aint bad at all...one all the background stuff is off...).....and i do not think it will not fall apart any time soon(i have honestly never seen an hp die....out of 3 my parents have had they all still work...).....

Hope this helps
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