C2D E6300 or X2 5000

[Wonderwill]

I found 2 computers on sale from HP.

One is $999 with E6300, 2 gigs RAM and 320 Gb hd.

The other is $930 with Athlon X2 5000+, rest of hardware is the same.

Both include a 19" monitor and nvidia graphics.

Which one is better and/or the better deal?

 

[x3900xt]

The Core 2 would perform worse, according to the CPU charts, but the AMD would need good RAM to perform...

Do they tell you the speed+latency of the RAM?

 

[Wonderwill]

The speed of the DDR2 HP RAM is 533

 

[Wonderwill]

Ideally DDR2-800 cas4. Either way I'd go with the 5000+.

What if I got one with an e6400? Would that beat the 5000?

 

[x3900xt]

Then the AMD would slow down a little... but not enough to matter. Go for the
AMD.

 

[Assman]

go with the e6300, no doubt about it, it oces like crazy and could be oced on air to stock x6800 but you'll need to get a better ram though(ddr2 800 cl5 or cl4)

 

[Assman]

Ideally DDR2-800 cas4. Either way I'd go with the 5000+.

What if I built my own with an e6400? Would that beat the 5000?

hell yeah, check my sig 8)

 

[1KGH]

What do you mean by better? To get high end performance you need to build your own.

 

[Wonderwill]

go with the e6300, no doubt about it, it oces like crazy and could be oced on air to stock x6800 but you'll need to get a better ram though(ddr2 800 cl5 or cl4)

Dude i'm talkin' hp comp.s right now. No upgrades or ocing.

 

[Assman]

i see, i agree with 1KGH , you'll be better off building your own

 

[Wonderwill]

i see, i agree with 1KGH , you'll be better off building your own

Well I can't find any better deals if I built my own.

 

[Assman]

what is your budget, no more than a $1k?

 

[x3900xt]

Not if he buys a monitor as well. Look on newegg. an e6300 build w/ monitor would run for over a grand.

Sonata II w/ 450 Smartpower: $100
DS3: $145
XFX 7600 GT:$150
e6300: $181
Kingston ValueRAM 2 GB: $220
7200.10 320 GB: $95
Generic Keyboard+Mouse: $6
Acer 19": $196
LG DVD ROM: $17
XP Home: $90
Total: About $1200

If he cuts down the graphics to a 7300 GT 8O, it would be $1120.
If he cuts down mobo to a Gigabyte 945P S3 and keeps the 7300, it would be $1070.
By this point, it would be better to get the HP.

 

[Pippero]

Well, the 5000+ is already faster, and since it's 60$ cheaper, you might want to see if you can get faster ram (from HP, if instead you have to sell the installed ram and buy the new somewherelse it is probably not worth it).
Perhaps DDR2-667 would be a good compromise between price and performance.

 

[BaronMatrix]

I found 2 computers on sale from HP.

One is $999 with E6300, 2 gigs RAM and 320 Gb hd.

The other is $930 with Athlon X2 5000+, rest of hardware is the same.

Both include a 19" monitor and nvidia graphics.

Which one is better and/or the better deal?

I'd say go for a Celeron. It'll whip both of thsoe chips......in lack of perf.

 

[bunkgoats]

Your Newegg build includes a 7600gt a great upgrade no doubt. The HP is going to have onboard graphics, probably 6200 with turbo cache. So technically, they are the same price when that upgrade is accounted for.

 

[jrm21]

The x2 5000 is a good chip but the e6400 is aswell... Id rather go for the e6400 in my opinion. In games the e6400 would be faster. Read some benchmarks the new Intel core 2 duo conroe chips are better in overall Gaming. If you have just alittle more the e6600 beats all of amd's line up including the fx-62 at almost every single benchmark except some sciencemark tests on occasions..

Thats just my 2 cents. :lol:

 

[jaguarskx]

If cost is an issue then go with the Athlon 64 5000+.

A savings of $70 is not a bad trade off for slightly lower overall performance that you will probably not notice unless you use benchmarking programs.

One thing you may want to consider is the Core 2 Duo E6300 consumes 44w of power underload compared to 100w that the Athlon 64 X2 5000+ consumes under full load. That means using the E6300 will give you more headroom for upgrades without having to replace the power supply.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-shootout_11.html

 

[Pippero]

Can anybody provide more links concerning the power consumption of C2D Vs A64 X2?
Cause i'd really like to know more about this: the xbit-lab here quoted used a special SW to "...measure the maximum power consumption [...]. We measured the current that goes through the CPU power circuitry. So, the numbers given below do not take into account the efficiency of the CPU voltage regulator laid out on the mainboard"
Now this method seems to me to be totally unreliable, and is contradicted by this article from Tom's HW (link) which however has a very limited number of CPUs being tested (setting aside the "energy efficient" CPUs, it's basically an X2 3800+ Vs C2D E6400.
Sure the E6400 is clocked slightly higher, but this result is nowhere near xbit lab's "X6800 cosumes less than X2 3800+"...

 

[gOJDO]

I found 2 computers on sale from HP.

One is $999 with E6300, 2 gigs RAM and 320 Gb hd.

The other is $930 with Athlon X2 5000+, rest of hardware is the same.

Both include a 19" monitor and nvidia graphics.

Which one is better and/or the better deal?

Depends what are the rest of the parts and your purposes

 

[pat]

I found 2 computers on sale from HP.

One is $999 with E6300, 2 gigs RAM and 320 Gb hd.

The other is $930 with Athlon X2 5000+, rest of hardware is the same.

Both include a 19" monitor and nvidia graphics.

Which one is better and/or the better deal?

Get the AMD. The graphic card will be a gaming limiting factor for now, and the 5000+ is no sloush CPU. so, if you are ready to put an extra 69$, get the 5000+ and upgrade the HDD if you are doing business/video-multimedia work or the graphic card if you game.

Since it is an HP, there will be no possibility to OC in the very limited BIOS options.. but you are assured to get a nice stable and fast machine

 

[pmr]

go with the e6300, no doubt about it, it oces like crazy and could be oced on air to stock x6800 but you'll need to get a better ram though(ddr2 800 cl5 or cl4)

How can u assume it will oc like crazy? Do you made the chip? The mobo? Do you know what mobo is? Ram brand?? Psu and gfx card?

do me a favor and STFU

 

[dasickninja]

This might be why....
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/10/cheap_thrills/

 

[pat]

but what if the BIOS doesnt have any overclocking option, like it is the case with HP,Dell,...?

 

[dasickninja]

Then I guess you'd be screwed. Don't buy a Dell to OC.