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Is this setup enough to reach 4Ghz? if so,ordering next week

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October 28, 2006 10:07:39 PM

i would like to build a 4Ghz comp, these are the parts i have so far,
mobo-Gigabyte GA-G1975X ATX LGA775 DDR2 2PCI-E16
CPU-Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Dual Core Conroe 2.4Ghz 1066FSB 4MB Cache
Hard drive-Segate Barracuda 7200.9 160GB SATA
Ram-Corsair XMS2 Twin2X2048-6400C4 DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12
Case-Thermaltake Armor Jr.
PSU-Mushkin HP-550 550W ATX SLI
Cooler-Thermaltake Big Water 754
GFX card- X1800XTX
do i have what it takes to reach my goal, if not please leave suggestions
thanks a lot :) 
October 28, 2006 10:38:20 PM

Looks good...Haven't heard anything on that water cooler, though. And what in the world is a X1800XTX? Did you mean X1900XTX?

~Ibrahim~
October 28, 2006 10:49:13 PM

The E6600 has a 9X multiplier, so isn't your ram too slow? Even so, the FSB is typically the limitation - not CPU temperature, and I see no reason why your system would be special and able to make 4 Ghz.
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October 28, 2006 10:55:15 PM

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mobo-Gigabyte GA-G1975X ATX LGA775 DDR2 2PCI-E16
I don't think that motherboard supports C2D.
975X chipsets do not usually reach the high FSB needed to push an E6600 to 4Ghz.
A 965 chipset would be a better choice.
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Cooler-Thermaltake Big Water 754
Can you find a link to the 754? I've only seen the Big Water 745.
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Case-Thermaltake Armor Jr.
How do you plan to fit the Big Water cooling system inside this case?
October 28, 2006 10:56:03 PM

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October 28, 2006 11:30:46 PM

Oh, stupid me. I assumed the motherboard was compatible. The Gigabyte DS6 is very good. Otherwise, your best shot is a nVidia 680i solution: hits 510Mhz FSB...Releases sometime in November.

~Ibrahim~
October 28, 2006 11:57:27 PM

You want a 4ghz sytem? Buy a Pentium D 805 and OC it. That's because there's no way you are reaching 4 gigs with your chosen CPU. Seriously though, I wouldn't touch this option with a 10-foot pole.

If you can wait, I would say hold on to your $$ till next year when the 3.33 C2D comes out because not only will better products be available but they will have a better tolerance for high frequencies. Another thing to consider, the more sticks of RAM you install the lower your stable speed will be.

Good luck!
October 29, 2006 12:04:13 AM

sup BigCharb;

I will give you credit for dreaming big, but i would suggest you take a step back and rethink your position here, instead of trying to OC the hell out of a C2D, just get a Quad when it comes out, it is going to be out very soon, and you will save yourself time, and a fat headache.

4Ghz is a HUGE HUGE HUGE overclock, and it is very probable that it is unatainable on water, i think you would have to get more agressive with the cooling system which is going to be just as expensive as buying the Quad core, around $1000, so imo it would be smarter to just go Quad core. Not to mention you are going to need an insanely powerful and stable PSU, if you attempt this you make sure and buy a Antec TruePower Trio PSU, but seriously just get a quad core.

Dont ignore this advice out of sheer blindness from ambition, this is a serious warning. You are going into a place very few people have gone before, and i submit to you that they have ALOT more experiance with extreme overclocks then you, and many many computers have payed the price for that ambition in the process. Think it over, but if for some insane reason you decide to go ahead with this, good luck.
October 29, 2006 12:13:36 AM

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Your kidding right? 8O A 1.6ghz overclock?


ROFL i know it seems ludicrous right 8O , it is possible with the right cooling, just not probable, and imo a waste of time considering he can just get a quad core that will perform better.
October 29, 2006 12:38:34 AM

Hey guyz, i got this idea from AnandTech, http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=279.... they managed to achieve 4Ghz using an Auses mobo. i just wanted to replicate there results for my self, and for showing off at school :p  If it is possible with that Abit mobo that was recommended, than I'm most likely to go for it. thanxs for your input guyz :) 
October 29, 2006 12:40:07 AM

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Hey guyz, i got this idea from AnandTech, http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=279.... they managed to achieve 4Ghz using an Auses mobo. i just wanted to replicate there results for my self, and for showing off at school :p  If it is possible with that Abit mobo that was recommended, than I'm most likely to go for it. thanxs for your input guyz :) 


The article also used a X6800, NOT the E6600. Big difference.
October 29, 2006 12:49:32 AM

no, is you scroll down you will see the overcklocking of the E6600. :wink:
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October 29, 2006 1:10:08 AM

If you review the whole article you'll read that while one X6800 made 4Ghz another one topped out at 3.4Ghz. That just shows you'll need to be lucky and get a good E6600 if you want to get beyond 3.6Ghz.
We're mostly curious why you picked the Gigabyte GA-G1975X and not the one used for testing in the article.
October 29, 2006 2:03:04 AM

im guessing you wont reach 4ghz. (his ram is fine idk what your talkin bout. most ram can run faster than specd)

id say that you will prob get stable with good temp around 3.8.


i mean people are getting the e6400 up around 3.4 (often on air) commonly, so the e6600 should get higher.

you better have mad case cooling. id lookinto strapping an airc ondtioner to it..lol.

id say skip the water cooling, get a nice air cooler. go for 3.6+. theres no need to burn out a perfectly good 6600
October 29, 2006 5:25:03 AM

Ok, none of this OCing n00bs could give you the right advice so im here to save the day:
Asus P5B Deluxe, no other motherboard can be used for extreme overclocking.
Get this modules. Theyll reach those timings at 1.8v and will keep those timings at 500Mhz, god knows what they can do @2.4v CL5... Best Micron ICs under those blue heatspreaders.
A Scythe Infinity paired with two Silverstone FM121 will outperform that wussy water kit.
You might need some aditional Northbridge cooling, in this case get AS5 and a 40mm fan.
Artic Silver Ceramique has proven to be the best goop for CPUs.
Antec P180 has excellent CPU airflow.
If you can afford it, I highly recommend the E6700 because itll be much easier and itll OC farther due to its higher multiplier.

The rest of recommendations:
Seagate 7200.10
Show me a link for the PSU cos i couldnt find it on newegg.
Get a $25 video card and wait a few weeks for the 8800GTS.

There has been much proof and research behind every thing ive said so if youve got any problems getting any of the stuff ive suggested or got any questions contact me personally and ill be glad to help :D 
October 29, 2006 12:09:48 PM

Hey, this is what i got from the AnandTech site, "To provide some idea of over clocking abilities with other Core 2 Duo processors, we ran quick tests with E6700 (2.67GHz), and E6600 (2.4GHz). The test E6700 reached a stable 3.4GHz at default voltage and topped out at 3.9GHz with the Tuniq Cooler. The 2.4GHz E6600 turned out to be quite an overclocker in our tests. Even though it was hard-locked at a 9 multiplier it reached an amazing 4GHz in the over clocking tests. That represents a 67% overclock." :lol:  I chose the Gigabyte GA-G1975X because it was the same mobo used in the DYI 4GHz project on Toms hardware. the power supply is from NCIX.com http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=19508&vpn=55.... i am limited to Canadian sites because...I'm Canadian :D  The parts that i listed will tolal cost me 1300 dollars Canadian, pritty good. If i can only reach these results with the Asus P5B Deluxe, than i will.
October 29, 2006 12:29:59 PM

Forget about Anandtech, FOCK Anandtech. Theyre good with news and general reviews, but leave something to desire when it comes to overclocking.
Follow my lead and youll be by far more succesful.

All the 975X boards have a ~400Mhz cap while the P965 boards hit 500Mhz oftenly. The P5B Deluxe is the one that does it the easily.
October 29, 2006 1:08:10 PM

Great, theres a non-WiFi version is you can find it, its considerably cheaper.

I would hunt down that RAM like if it was a winning lotery ticket because.. IT IS. Those are the same 60-ball ICs that theyre using in the Dominator sets just to give you a clue :wink:

If you cant find the Infinity anywhere, the Thermalright Ultra-120 would be another option, try luck for the Tuniq Tower 120 too. Any fan with 90 or more CFM would do if you cant find the FM121 ones.

4Ghz would be 445Mhz FSB but ive got a pretty good feeling we'll get really close to 500Mhz :D 
October 29, 2006 5:22:16 PM

I've seen a computer that got to 4 GHz with that processor. Of course he was using phase change and his processor was at -24 degrees farenheit. So no, I REALLY don't think you can do that. As for the 805. PLEASE don't listen to them. Its just as likely for you to get a 4 on an 805 as it is on the 6600. That means EXTREMELY unlikely.

DDay
Back from a long hiatus of Intel wh0res.
October 29, 2006 7:18:15 PM

rwarits seems to know his stuff.

does the cramique really beat as5? that is surprising to me


i dont know if youll need that expensive of ram. with a 9x multpleir you wont even need to hit 500 fsb. just get some gkskill pk or better and youll save some money on ram. or you could get that amazing stuff he recomended.


the multiplier on the e6700 is 10 right? wow you only need to run ram at ddr2 800 to hit 4ghz. mab go for the e6700, but with cheaper ram.
October 29, 2006 8:00:52 PM

"rwarits" Dario! :D 

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does the cramique really beat as5? that is surprising to me

For large surfaces like a CPUs it does. But for small ones like a bare chip contacting a heatspreader on the North and South chipsets the AS5 is better. Its just a very few degrees in difference but thats what we live for in the OCing bussiness

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i dont know if youll need that expensive of ram. with a 9x multpleir you wont even need to hit 500 fsb. just get some gkskill pk or better and youll save some money on ram. or you could get that amazing stuff he recomended.

The PK is kind of a hit a miss when OCing (several different reasons). And 500Mhz on air is gonna be real tough so we better play safe and easy with the SuperTalent kit :wink:

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the multiplier on the e6700 is 10 right? wow you only need to run ram at ddr2 800 to hit 4ghz. mab go for the e6700, but with cheaper ram.

Now you understand my highlight for it :D 
And he should have the money for it after what ive saved him...
October 29, 2006 8:50:37 PM

The absolute best TIM is Zalman's ZM-STG1...A tad pricey, $9.99 for the same amount in a regular AS5 bottle.

~Ibrahim~
October 29, 2006 9:37:59 PM

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The absolute best TIM is Zalman's ZM-STG1...A tad pricey, $9.99 for the same amount in a regular AS5 bottle.

~Ibrahim~

Woah I honestly never expected Zalman to nail it in anything cooling related! But it seems like they did!
October 29, 2006 10:01:19 PM

That stuff is wicked easy to apply too. Some reviews early on said it wasn't as easy as it looked...but if you can paint a square inch piece of anything, you can paint a IHS and make your CPU happy.
October 29, 2006 10:10:04 PM

I read a review where they stated it wasnt as solid as the regular goop, so it might migrate. Its about applying the right amount.
October 29, 2006 11:12:18 PM

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Ok, none of this OCing n00bs could give you the right advice so im here to save the day:
Asus P5B Deluxe, no other motherboard can be used for extreme overclocking.
Get this modules. Theyll reach those timings at 1.8v and will keep those timings at 500Mhz, god knows what they can do @2.4v CL5... Best Micron ICs under those blue heatspreaders.
A Scythe Infinity paired with two Silverstone FM121 will outperform that wussy water kit.
You might need some aditional Northbridge cooling, in this case get AS5 and a 40mm fan.
Artic Silver Ceramique has proven to be the best goop for CPUs.
Antec P180 has excellent CPU airflow.
If you can afford it, I highly recommend the E6700 because itll be much easier and itll OC farther due to its higher multiplier.

The rest of recommendations:
Seagate 7200.10
Show me a link for the PSU cos i couldnt find it on newegg.
Get a $25 video card and wait a few weeks for the 8800GTS.

There has been much proof and research behind every thing ive said so if youve got any problems getting any of the stuff ive suggested or got any questions contact me personally and ill be glad to help :D 

Almost sounds like my setup.
I haven’t even put it all together yet. (P180 sitting empty)
Waiting on the goods to ramp er up.
To the op
Listen to rwaritsdario
The P5b has potential but the choice of Conroe will make or break the 4 GHz mark.
The 6700 will hit 4 without effort if you follow the guidelines.
The 6600 depending on the quality may or may not hit 4 GHz but will have a better chance with the P5B Deluxe
Read this to understand how asus overcome the fsb strap in the P5B
http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23803

The ram you choose will ultimately give your best overclocking experience depending on your fsb. PC8000 will hit 1000 MHz but it’s rated at ddr2 667 base speeds.
So pick quality ram that takes the voltage to run higher fsb with lower latency timings.
DDR 2 800 will suit most overclocks well until you hit higher fsb speeds.
October 30, 2006 12:32:34 AM

SUP, hey guys, before i order tomorrow, i was wouldering about the abit MObo. It has a high 500Mhz FSB like the Asus and on top it has a 975X chipset that will allow be up upgrade down the road to quad core. if it wont give me the same results as the Asus than forget about it, but if it will and give me a freedom to uprade in the future than why not go for it? thanks :D 
October 30, 2006 12:36:51 AM

Stick with the P5B if you want close to or at 4 Ghz.
or go X6800 and pick any of the top boards . 8)
October 30, 2006 12:57:50 AM

SUP, ok, Ausus it is. Now my water cooler is enough for 4 Ghz? there were some suggestions for air cooling but i personally like liquid more. if it might not be enough please leave some suggestions, the cooler i have chosen is a Thermal Take BigWater 745.
October 30, 2006 1:26:14 AM

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Hey, this is what i got from the AnandTech site
[...]

They get choice chips that will O/C far better that what you'll get. Don't believe all the hype. 4GHz is a 1.6GHz O/C which isn't likely.

If you get an E6600 or E6700, couple it with a good motherboard, 2GB of good RAM, and good total cooling, fast HDs, and you overclock it as far as you can and then back it off until you are Prime95 stable, you will have this:

A very powerful system that will do a LOT of work and is *much* faster than anything pre-made you can buy.

You will have a guaranteed kickass system and if your video card is strong it will be a kickass gamer as well. Nothing will render video as fast as your computer and it will have the 2-CPU creamy smoothness.
October 30, 2006 1:34:14 AM

Quote:
Hey, this is what i got from the AnandTech site
[...]

They get choice chips that will O/C far better that what you'll get. Don't believe all the hype. 4GHz is a 1.6GHz O/C which isn't likely.

If you get an E6600 or E6700, couple it with a good motherboard, 2GB of good RAM, and good total cooling, fast HDs, and you overclock it as far as you can and then back it off until you are Prime95 stable, you will have this:

A very powerful system that will do a LOT of work and is *much* faster than anything pre-made you can buy.

You will have a guaranteed kickass system and if your video card is strong it will be a kickass gamer as well. Nothing will render video as fast as your computer and it will have the 2-CPU creamy smoothness.

Nothing is 100% in overclocking.
you need a little luck.
and dont believe everything you read.
read the posts from other users
they are the ones with the real data.
8)
October 30, 2006 1:47:17 AM

SUP, k heres my final set up that i'm ordering tomorrow.
Intel Core2 E6600
Asus P5B Delux
Corsair XMS2 Twin2X2048-6400C4
Seagate Barracuda 250Gb 7200.10
Mushkin HP 550W PSU
ATI X1800XTX
Thermaltake VA8000 Armor Super tower
Thermaltake Big Water 745
total cost->1615.16 dollars CDN
the total cost is 300 dollars higher than when i begun because of the bigger case and faster hard drive but it worth it, and hope fully i wont have to upgrade until March...lol
thanks alot for all the help guys, l8er :wink:
October 30, 2006 2:05:28 AM

Slow down big boy, a few more things:
The Crucial Tenth anniversary 2GB (667 CL3) is currently using the same chips are that kit of Corsair. But theyre better binning and will reach tighter timings at the same speed Corsair would. Theyll do some 500+Mhz CL5 @2.3v

That ATI X1800XTX is still looking fishy, gimme the link. Same for the PSU, I gotta check for the 12v rails if you want your OCing to be a walk in the park.

If youre stubborn about liquid then Swiftech, like kwalker told you, has the best kits because theyre "custom" made. TT only slaps together whats cheaper and sell it with a big label.

P5B Dlx = Quad-core capable.
October 30, 2006 2:35:02 AM

Otherwise, your best shot is a nVidia 680i solution: hits 510Mhz FSB...Releases sometime in November.

Where did you find this ? I like many others have been waiting for this kind of info on this board. It is the 510Mhz I'am refering to.
October 30, 2006 3:01:04 AM

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Otherwise, your best shot is a nVidia 680i solution: hits 510Mhz FSB...Releases sometime in November.

Where did you find this ? I like many others have been waiting for this kind of info on this board. It is the 510Mhz I'am refering to.

He wasnt clear, 510Mhz in a reference board. That means that the actual retail board will look at 510Mhz like a starting line! Much cooling shall be needed hehe
October 30, 2006 8:17:04 PM

Just Google nVidia 680...The HS for the chipset is enormous!

~Ibrahim~
October 30, 2006 11:00:20 PM

The X1800 are old series, the X1900XT will outperform it for cheaper. Dont get the X1900XTX but the X1950XT for CAD$40 more looks like a sweet deal.
The 12v rails in the PSU are strong so itll do the job nicely for OCing. Nice price.
The tenth anniversary ones have blue heatspreaders but the same exact timings and speed. Get the Corsair since are cheaper.
October 30, 2006 11:23:51 PM

X TX vs. XT isn't much... I'd only go for the XTX if the XT was 256MB.

~Ibrahim~
October 30, 2006 11:50:45 PM

Read my post again.
October 31, 2006 8:02:13 PM

Ah, shiz, sorry. Thought that X1950XT was the X1900XT...nvm, thanks!

~Ibrahim~
October 31, 2006 8:41:56 PM

Never a problem :) 
Even that for the american market im seeing an utter lack of good deals on high end cards. The 7950GT that some are recommending is just 5~8 FPS better than the 7900GT and its $60 more expensive with the same OCing potential. The did just the opposite to ATI by raising the price for twice the amount of memory with just marginal performance gains.
The eVGA 7900GTO IS a nice deal, but its out of stock...
The X1900XT 256mb seems to have past to our memory...
Heard of anything good?
October 31, 2006 10:13:10 PM

Not much...ATI's new cards, like the X1950Pro and X1950XT should help bring back the "Second-best card will can easily OC to the best" range. That X1900XT was such a good card and could have been had for ~$240 not too long ago. I guess ATI is shutting the stock of X1900XT down in preparation for the X1950XT.

Yeah, those cheap scams they try to do. Add marginal performance increase (2X the Memory), the same prefix as your top-end card (7950 GT versus 7950 GX2. Coincidence? I think not.) and then you are automatically allowed a 15% price hike. Price-gouging bastards.

~Ibrahim~
November 1, 2006 4:34:17 AM

Same with the X1950Pro... just 180Mhz bump in the memory and an updated crossfire bridge (wich I havent seen to live it to its hype) and voila! $75 more! This is too much... its going in my sig... haha
A well OCed 7900GT is still the best choice. Or 7900GTO if available.
November 1, 2006 10:33:31 PM

SUP, today was payday and i ordered my set up, a little different than what i first said but still rock solid.
E6600 2.4
Corsair 2Gb dual channel 5-5-5-12 PC6400
Asus P5B Deluxe wifi
Ati Radion X800XL (will upgrade to R600 when comes out)
Thermaltake Armor Jr. case
Thermaltake TR2 550 watt PSU
Seagate Barracuda 250Gb. 7200.10
Swiftech H20-120 P watercooler
it totaled out to 1899.12
i think i will be able to hit 4Ghz. thanks guys, l8er :D 
!