Hello,
I currently just built a new computer (you can see the specs in my signature). Although it is blazing fast and runs all games perfectly, it sucks for sports. I downloaded NHL 07 and they F*cking changed all the controls from NHL 06 and will not let you change them back. I am not about to go out and get a controller.
I then got Madden 07, which I thought would look amazing, but looked almost as bad as my old PS2. I went over to a friends house, played 360 and it looked amazing, along with NBA Live 07 and NHL 07.
I have being seeing some great deals for a Xbox 360 on ebay, is it worth it or am I just being stupid?
I would just play sports games on it along with Halo and any other sweet titles that I cannot download for my PC.
Thanks
Peter
Well, I have one, and if you have the money, go ahead and buy it. If you know how to mod it, then liquid cool it if you are going to play a lot. Dont get the Nyko cooler, it makes things worse.
The only problem I have with mine, is freeze ups now and then on Lego Star Wars 2, the game had a glitch, but they patched it though Live.
No overheating problems with the hardware, it just gets warm around it from the hot air.
If you buy off eBay, make sure you buy from a legitmate buyer, I sold and bought some of my 360 accessories from eBay, and had a guy take my money when I bought a controller, but PayPal brought it back.
Make sure they have good feedback.
um...this next year, EA is bringing the xbox 360 graphics engine to the PC. I really wouldn't because the games are much cheaper for the pc and you already have a nice computer.
maybe wait for the ps3?
should be out soon. then decide. that is if you can wait that long :?
Are they bringing the engine for all sports games?
No way I would get the ps3. Waste of money when I already have a sweet computer. I am looking to get the 360 because I like playing games with friends and I can get one off ebay for less than 300.
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i would go for it then. seems like a good deal.
If the control interface is really preventing you from enjoying the games you like to play, then get the XBox 360.
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Are you RETARDED?
You are willing to plonk down 300$ on a new console but you'll be damned if you buy a 20$ dual analog joystick? Reviewers and people like you who bitch about PC control schemes drive me nuts. You spent hundreds of dollars on a new computer but you'll be damned if you buy a twenty buck joypad. Waaah Waaah I can't play Need for Speed with my mouse and keyboard I guess I need to buy an Xbox 360.
Heavens forbid you should play arcade/sports titles with a joypad. Ya know the 360 wired joypad works for PC's... You could stare at the 360 joypad plugged into your PC and make believe you got a 360. Wouldn't that be fun!
90% of decent 360 games are bound to come out for the PC anyway. I try to avoid EA like the plague as well they are money grubbing bastards.
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Your too cheap to buy a gamepad for the PC, but not cheap enough to buy a whole new Xbox 360?
| Quote : I then got Madden 07, which I thought would look amazing, but looked almost as bad as my old PS2. I went over to a friends house, played 360 and it looked amazing, along with NBA Live 07 and NHL 07.
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Hmm.. why don't you read my whole statement. The controls are not the issue at hand, its that I have a blazing fast computer and sports games look like sh**
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You know I was going to post a reply to him, but you kinda covered it all with that post. Well done, less typing for me, other than DITTO.
As for the rest, I doubt he knows quality adjustments anyways, nor comparable settings.
| Quote : I then got Madden 07, which I thought would look amazing, but looked almost as bad as my old PS2. I went over to a friends house, played 360 and it looked amazing, along with NBA Live 07 and NHL 07.
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Hmm.. why don't you read my whole statement. The controls are not the issue at hand, its that I have a blazing fast computer and sports games look like sh**
Meh, the control issue was 50% of your problem and is easily solved by using an Xbox360 controller on your PC.
Without spending thousands on a HDTV, all console games run at the equivalent of 640x480 or so. At that resolution a Geforce 3 Ti could push out decent graphics.
Console games are always more expensive, and seem to go up in price with each "Generation" of consoles.
The Xbox 360 may look pretty now, but next year it will be old hat compared to PC graphics. When the PS3 was announced, with what is basically a 7800GTX 512 onboard, it was amazing. By the time it is released we will have the 8800GTX. Within a year or so of release, probably something even faster. (R600?)
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And, tbh, sports games suck, if you like sports, go play Real Life sports
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| Quote : I then got Madden 07, which I thought would look amazing, but looked almost as bad as my old PS2. I went over to a friends house, played 360 and it looked amazing, along with NBA Live 07 and NHL 07.
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Hmm.. why don't you read my whole statement. The controls are not the issue at hand, its that I have a blazing fast computer and sports games look like sh**
A game will look the same, no matter how blazing fast ur PC is, under same settings.
The current sports games wich u have played on the PC are ports or last-generation consoles like the PS2 and Xbox. This is why they have bad graphics. Sence there will not be anymore games that have this issue, there is no reason to throw away ur PC just because a single sports game port dosent look all that good on the PC.
If u ONLY want to play sports games (in wich case, ur a fool for buying a PC), then why dont u just buy the Xbox 360 if the one SINGLE game that u love is ONLY on the Xbox 360 and not on the PC.
| Quote : I then got Madden 07, which I thought would look amazing, but looked almost as bad as my old PS2. I went over to a friends house, played 360 and it looked amazing, along with NBA Live 07 and NHL 07.
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Hmm.. why don't you read my whole statement. The controls are not the issue at hand, its that I have a blazing fast computer and sports games look like sh**
The games don't look like shit because of the PC, it's because EA morons are too lazy to make the games nice looking. The 08 games will surely look like the 360's even better.
But if you only play sport games, then get the 360.
Geez buy a gamepad if you think a game is going to look as good on your super high res computer monitor as they do on a super low res tv your crazy. Especialy with how differently the tubes (im assuming your using a tubed tv and monitor) project pictures. if your using a lcd monitor then you should know LCD's worst quality is scaling. the game looks bad for a number of reasons none of which are becuase of your computer more or less. No one who makes a console game is going to recode the whole thing to look good or better on a pc just to port it. Seriously though i never played a sports game that was good with out a controler just like i have never played a fps that was good with out a mouse keyboard. get the damn controler realise console games are not going to look good on a computer (for the most part). Personaly if all i played was sports games i would just get any old crappy computer for the web and get a console. I'm sure i could get over the crappy jaggid low res graphics of a console if thats all i wanted to play.
There are bringing the xbox 360 engine to every EA sports game, for the PC.
The cool thing is that if you buy the 360 controller for the pc, the icons change to the xbox 360 buttons, not 1,2,3,4,5.
So, the Xbox 360 in your case would be a total waste of money.
Hey I just had to reply to your post. I asked the exact same question here like 2 weeks ago. I was bummed over the idea of spending $1500.00 bucks to upgrade my PC. A friend brought over his XBOX 360 the gameplay & graphics where totally awesome, not to mention we played two player without having to go throught that whole internet logon/ find a game routine. I defy anybody here to be able to build a PC for 399.00 that would have better gameplay / graphics than an XBOX 360. It cant be done! My old pc is now for internet surfing / MS Office - games dude xbox all the way. Sorry PS2 fans I did try the PS2 - just can't match the graphics. PS my old pc had a Nvidia 6800 ultra card that cost more than the entire xbox does. So I can still play a PC game now and then if it has not been released for the xbox yet.
| Quote : Hey I just had to reply to your post. I asked the exact same question here like 2 weeks ago. I was bummed over the idea of spending $1500.00 bucks to upgrade my PC. A friend brought over his XBOX 360 the gameplay & graphics where totally awesome, not to mention we played two player without having to go throught that whole internet logon/ find a game routine. I defy anybody here to be able to build a PC for 399.00 that would have better gameplay / graphics than an XBOX 360. It cant be done! My old pc is now for internet surfing / MS Office - games dude xbox all the way. Sorry PS2 fans I did try the PS2 - just can't match the graphics. PS my old pc had a Nvidia 6800 ultra card that cost more than the entire xbox does. So I can still play a PC game now and then if it has not been released for the xbox yet. |
He already has a nice pc, though. Why should he spend $400 dollars for the console, $60 per game, $60 a year for xbox live and other expenses?
It would be a decision to consider if he didn't already have a nice pc, but he does.
This guy is obviously rich.
He bought the most expensive single card setup possible, and he didnt even think of a possibilty of buying a console.
Not to mention he has all that horsepower and all he wants to do it play sports games. Hes like a stupid little kid!
xbox all the way if you want to play sports games maybe or dont care about low res jaggid edge no upgrade path gaming. xbox has its place bu will never match a computer when it comes to power. since im not microsoft i cant afford to sell a box for $500 less then they paid for it and make my money back on games. so its cheap big deal, graphicly its nothing compaired to a computer. i could build a computer with comparable graphics ability for close to that price but why? i dont feel the need to downgrade just cuz its $400. personaly i rather not play console ports they are always inferior when it comes to graphics and controle costumability unless you get a controler which is pointless other then sports type games. If your argument is console all the way cuz i like to play with my friends in hte living room then ok thats defanitly in the consoles domain. any game though thats any good is going to be on every platform we can only hope though it was designed for a computer so the only thing that happens when ported to a console is they strip it graphicly to run on the lower end hardware. i say lower end as in not up to top pc hardware specs.
You all have taken this completely out of context.
Here is the story as plainly as I can put it.
I built my computer this summer so I could play bf2 and pretty much EVERY other game available for the pc that is somewhat decent. I did not waste money on building a computer, because I use it everyday for work and play. To the idiot that said I built this computer just for sports games and that an x1900xt is the most expensive card on the market ($300 after rebate), please shoot yourself right now. I built my computer so I could play fps and other sweet games, sports games were at the back of my mind. I have always played NHL on the pc, and I just got NHL 07. The controls were completely different from 06 and could not be altered to the original way. I had the idea of getting a 360 contoller for the PC, but decided against it for the time being. I then downloaded Madden 07, which I thought would be based off the new 360 engine, which it was not and plus the controlls were awful.
I then decided to look at the 360. I can get such a good price on one and play all sports game, which almost all look amazing. A 360 is good because I can have over friends and play halo and sports games with my friends, instead of each person taking a shot at bf2 and then switching after every death.
That is my story, I am a diehard sports fan and the pc has let me down in that front, however pc's are undeniably awesome for almost any other genre.
Well I'd say you're mixing PC with Fukin' EA!
I had played all NHLs since 94 on PC and Console (played the original on my cousin's SEGA), and I was their bigget booster and supporter until about 2002 and then EA started doing things that pi$$ed me off, now finally they got to you too.
If you buy NHL 07 for the Xbox you're simply supporting them again, and believe me as someone who knows, EA NHL 07 SUCKS! You want SEGA's NHL2K7, I have played them on my Xbox and the Xbox at work since 2K4, and it's a much better gameplay experience IMO (I still play NHL on occasion at other people's houses).
The problem is you're blaming your PC when it's really EA.
I also didn't like the controller comment because it continues the misconception about PCs (any controller you can get for console you can pretty much get for PC but not vice versa, this is the ones I use and they're great, just like the one I use at work). While I haven't played with the NHL07 on the PC I'd be surprised if you couldn't adjust all the controls, heck I could do that from like '98 onward. They may have changed the combos and stuff, but you should be able to assign keys manually.
Even Sega chages the gameplay every year and you kinda have to relearn things, I doubt EA is different on the Xbox, but I rarely play it anymore.
As for the visuals, I think you're not comparing apples to apples, and if you're comparing an edge-blending/bleeding CRT/Plasma to your more precise monitor at different resolutions it's not the PC that's the issue, it's how you're dispaying the game, and I think that's the thing most people here have issue with.
Really it's EA that's the problem for you major issue, not the PC itself.
Anywhoo, in the end if it's causing you so much trouble/concern then get an Xbox, just don't ask for permission or feedback from a PC crowd and then expect them to take your criticisms of the PC littley.
I have PCs and an Xbox and GameCube (which is out on loan) a PSP and a few single arcade units, and they all have their uses and benifits, and I wouldn;t even think of comparing them head to head, so doing so here is pointless.
If you want one, get one, IMO the XBOX is the best 'out of the box' sports game machine, but if you have the time and effort, it's not the best possible overall.
If you want one though, get one, they are nice machines, and have some nice Xbox only titles, but even that isn't because of PCs but because of the developers/distributors. People need to stop confusing the two.
Yes, your are correct. I am sorry I mixed pc's with ea.
EA is everyone's problem. Don't even get me started on Bf2.
Anyways, if EA would stop being a bitch and would use the best possible engine for the PC, I would go out and get a controller for my pc and download all of the games for free.
However, EA is being stupid and forcing me to buy an xbox 360. Right now I am looking to purchase a 360 premium for $200 on ebay, auction ends in 5 hrs.
EA is a company that understands when it comes to sports games it doesnt pay to put all the bells and whistles into a pc version since most anyone plays that type of game on a console. The only argument to not getting a xbox is if you dont intend on playing games for it. I dont personaly like consoles even though the wii is something i might look into becuase i like the old old nintendo systems the nes and snes if i could find a snes and nes style controler for the pc i would of course probly not even consider the wii. EA does ruing almost everything it touchs though. Might not be a populer game here but earth and beyond was by far my fav online game and EA took over midway and destroyed it out of business.
| Quote : Hey I just had to reply to your post. I asked the exact same question here like 2 weeks ago. I was bummed over the idea of spending $1500.00 bucks to upgrade my PC. A friend brought over his XBOX 360 the gameplay & graphics where totally awesome, not to mention we played two player without having to go throught that whole internet logon/ find a game routine. I defy anybody here to be able to build a PC for 399.00 that would have better gameplay / graphics than an XBOX 360. It cant be done! My old pc is now for internet surfing / MS Office - games dude xbox all the way. Sorry PS2 fans I did try the PS2 - just can't match the graphics. PS my old pc had a Nvidia 6800 ultra card that cost more than the entire xbox does. So I can still play a PC game now and then if it has not been released for the xbox yet. |
noob....if u buy a 360 it takes all the fun out of building a computer...noobs that dont know anything about computers buy 360s
god i hope that was a extreamly poor attempt at a joke otherwise you just looked like one of the biggest idiots (noob = word idiots use) in this thread.
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This has gone far enough.
You CANT buy a 400$+ console because a single game looks better on it than on the PC.
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This has gone far enough.
You CANT buy a 400$+ console because a single game looks better on it than on the PC.
no game on a console looks better then a equialy designed game on a PC only time that can be true is if hte designed intentionaly downgraded a pc game so the console game looked better. Consoles never have and never will most likely have as good graphics as a PC thats been a fact for a long time and as far as i can see will remain that way. but like i said they dont really care about sports games and pc. sports games go to the console easyer to play. normaly a game you play with friends in front of a tv anyways so there is no motive to waste money on a pc version.
Yianaki, i hope you get banned
he asked a question, you shouted abuse at him.
also, what is your problem with the mentally handicap?
It's not like I'm used to seeing posts on THG Forumz actually being helpful, but you people are being asses to the guy when he was asking a pretty legit question.
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Read the post, you moron. He already built a PC, but he's thinking about buying XB360 AS WELL. Thanks for wasting everybody's time, though!
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This is such a stupid post I don't even know where to begin. But, just start checking on Newegg, and I think you will find that you are a moron.
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Great! Another helpful post, filled with useful information!
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You're a total jerk, but at least you were right about EA being money grubbing bastards.
The bottom line is: if it's REALLY worth it to you, buy an XB360. It's not that big of a deal. But, I would just live with lame looking graphics if I were you and wait for '08 versions.
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Read the post, you moron. He already built a PC, but he's thinking about buying XB360 AS WELL. Thanks for wasting everybody's time, though!
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This is such a stupid post I don't even know where to begin. But, just start checking on Newegg, and I think you will find that you are a moron.
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Great! Another helpful post, filled with useful information!
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You're a total jerk, but at least you were right about EA being money grubbing bastards.
The bottom line is: if it's REALLY worth it to you, buy an XB360. It's not that big of a deal. But, I would just live with lame looking graphics if I were you and wait for '08 versions.
I'm going to have to agree with you there.
sum ppl said its a waste to buy a console when you got a nice rig. ok look at it this way, buy a pc game for 50 bucks, beat it or get bored and throw it aside. THATS A WASTE! Now if you can rent a console game for 6 bucks at blockbuster but only have a week to play it .....saves you 45 bucks every time you rent, now multiply that by the amount of games you play every year and you can c how much your SAVING with a console. sorta makes sence right?
I think topics like this are a WASTE, especially in a mainly PC forum. I don't buy PC games (only console games average $50-60, not PC) to throw them away once I've beaten them, nor do I buy them to play on the same graphic settings for all eternity. I'm sick of these PC VS console flame wars. They each have their plus' and minus'. To each his own, but if you want the latest bleeding edge graphics, the PC is the way to go.
its not a waste to buy a console if it fits how you game its also not a waste to buy a pc for gaming
Im just the type who wants the latest bleeding edge everything if i somehow made this a pc vs console war excuse me
wasnt my intention.
but to superwoofer i dont buy games that can either be beaten in the normal sense or i would only play for a week. Any game i could play for a week and never play it more or again to me is a huge waste and i made a big mistake even buying it in the first place D: to me those are just bad games.
I totally agree.
For the first time in recorded history, I'm going to have to agree with you EnFoRceR!
Agreed.
Luckily for us we have torrents!
I'm both a PC gamer and a 360 gamer. Some games are just better on a particular piece of hardware imo. Games I'm sure would be better on a 360, however RPG and FPS are almost always better on a PC.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards,
howard
I'm both a PC gamer and a 360 gamer. Some games are just better on a particular piece of hardware imo. Games I'm sure would be better on a 360, however RPG and FPS are almost always better on a PC.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards,
howard
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This mean we kissed and made up? if not i got some lipstick! ok i dont really but i could get some if it helps lol
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You're actually right I shouldn't have made fun of the mentally handicapped by comparing them to this moron. I have no problems at all with people asking advice about whether to buy a console. I tell most people who don't know or care how to put a decent computer together for a good price to get a 360 by all means. I have ps2 and I will be getting a Wii at launch. I am not a graphics whore and so my comments aren't probably germain to what any of you personally think about computer gaming. I upgrade a piece at a time and I am happy to get by with my some would call ancient vanilla 6800 until at least the next gen dx10 parts come out.
But what makes me angry and extremely annoyed is that the subject poster is too moronic and pigheaded to invest in a cheap 20$ dual analog pad. Even if he were to purchase a crappy 360 compatible stick. This would make just about every console game much better. But if you read his reply's he will not get one as that is an inconceivable occourance. That kind of mind set that, ohh this game controls horribly with the keyboard and mouse so the PC stinks, pisses me off completely. I see this in the PC gaming press and from people complaining about the PC and it makes me IRATE!
Your a fucking tard.. just leave the world and stop breathing my air.
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stop breathing my air! ahah lol, well i called sum1 gay in this forum and got a little letter from the admin sayin bla bla bla bla bla dont do it again....so i guess youl all get one 2
Had the same debate. I saw this thread scrolling on toms page and thought 'wow this could be the answer I was looking for last week'. Turns out it's a bunch of crap.
Here are my thoughts:
1. If a game comes out on a console and pc at the same time, I'll buy the version that has the best review. (Be it graphics engine or multiplayer capabilities)
2. If a game (say Halo) comes out on a console and is not set to be released for a few years on the pc, then I will buy the console version.
3. Would I buy a console for one game coming out this month (GoW). NO!
Would I buy a Console knowing that thier are going to be some highly anticipated exclusive games coming in the near future. YES! (Halo 3, Lost Planet, Bioshock, GoW, Halo Wars).
What sells me on a gaming platform, be it pc or console, are the exclusive titles. A PC is a PC. I will never build a pc without the hardware to play the latest and greatest games, but my pc also dubs as a workstation.
If you were asking if you should buy a 360 over building a pc, then I would bash your head in. But you didn't. The 360 is a great piece of hardware if you want to take the afternoon off from staring at your pc monitor and relax on your couch while you fire off few games of Halo. Beleive me, after 10 hours at work using a pc, you really can't blame a guy for wanted to take a break.
And for the people that think I don't know anything about computers:
X2 4400 AMD 939
EVGA 7900GTX
3GB Corsair XMS
3 x 250GB WD SATA II
1x 74GB WD SATA
WaterCooled
Samsung 21" Widescreen
and an XBOX 360
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Topics like this have "Flame War" written all over them. The OP may have been asking a sincere question, but when you throw PC's and consoles into the mix, they usually end up like this.
Without reading this whole entire flaming thread, might I make a suggestion?
A while back, I too had trouble getting use to the keyboard for graphics. I went to Radio Shack to see what kind of controlers they had (only thing close) and they had a PSX to USB adapter. This allowed me to use my PS1/2 controller for my PC. My friend liked it and went and found one for an XBOX controller as well.... this could be a viable option
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This mean we kissed and made up? if not i got some lipstick! ok i dont really but i could get some if it helps lol
Whatever... FU man. But, you're OK just the same.
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i won't get one as i haven't said anything to be picked up on.
Yianaki said:
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i understand your point from the rest of the message but i still think you're a idiot for saying that line.
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This mean we kissed and made up? if not i got some lipstick! ok i dont really but i could get some if it helps lol
Whatever... FU man. But, you're OK just the same.
Hahaha
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ditto. i have to admit the 360 is still king right now for graphics. but what happens in a year? for $400 you get graphical supremecy for under 2 years. also, i feel confined by a controller. mouse and keyboard rules. point and kill.
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