trouble with Umax Astra 1200S; which scanner for beige Mac?

Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.scanner (More info?)

Hello everyone,

In order to scan photographs for my W3 site <www.macfanaat.cistron.nl> I
bought last month a Umax 1200S for my Power Mac 7100/80 AV, based on
reviews which put Agfa and Umax scanners on top. Installing the software
was problem-free.

My PM 7100's SCSI chain looks like this (without scanner):

controller (ID 7)
|
Quantum Fireball TM3200 (int. HD) (ID 0) (int. terminated)
|
Matsushita CR-8005A (int. CD-ROM player) (ID 3)
|
Pioneer DR-U12X (ext. CD-ROM player) (ID 2)
|
Fujitsu M2512A (MO unit) (ID 5) (ext. terminated)

When I connected the scanner to the SCSI chain, however, by taking the
terminator off the MO, connecting the scanner with a SCSI cable and
putting an ext. terminator on the Umax (ID 1), I saw a sad Mac most of
the time at boot, with these lines underneath: "0000 000F" and "0000
0001". The last digit in the last line could also alternately be a 3 or
an A.

Sometimes I saw the well-known floppy with the flashing question mark,
instead of the sad Mac. When I put Apple's Disk Tools floppy in, MacOS
booted up from there. Drive Install Lite showed the Mac saw the scanner
the MO unit and both CD-ROM players but not my internal HD :-(!

Then I switched my Mac off and decoupled the Fujitsu and the Pioneer.
Then I booted, with the Umax as sole external SCSI device. This time my
Mac started without a hitch. CD-ROM Toolkit however told me my Mac saw
the scanner and my internal HD but not my internal CD-ROM player :-(!

Nevertheless, this way I could test the scanner with B/W and colour A4s.
IMO it works, as far as scanning goes, as you can expect :-).

Thus, do I now need a NuBus SCSI card for the scanner, or is there some
way all my SCSI devices can live together on one bus?

If you have any experience with Agfa or other SCSI scanners, I would be
glad to hear from you :-).

Any useful info. shall be duly appreciated on this NG. You can write
directly to me, by modifying the address in my .sig :-).

Yours sincerely,
--
-------
Seiju Teramoto <macfanaat at cistron dot nl>
's-Gravenhage, Nederland / The Hague, the Netherlands
gebruiker / user: Power Mac 7100/80 (MacOS v8.1), Apple //e
al 22 jaar Apple-fan / Apple fan of 22 years' standing
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -- Steve Jobs
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  1. Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.scanner (More info?)

    Sounds like an SCSI ID conflict. What ID is the Umax 1200S trying to use?

    Change the ID of your scanner so that it does not try to use the same ID as
    any other device. From your list, it looks like 4 or 6 would be
    appropriate.


    <macfanaatVERWIJDER@DITcistron.nl> wrote in message
    news:crkuca$9tj$2@news.cistron.nl...
    > Hello everyone,
    >
    > In order to scan photographs for my W3 site <www.macfanaat.cistron.nl> I
    > bought last month a Umax 1200S for my Power Mac 7100/80 AV, based on
    > reviews which put Agfa and Umax scanners on top. Installing the software
    > was problem-free.
    >
    > My PM 7100's SCSI chain looks like this (without scanner):
    >
    > controller (ID 7)
    > |
    > Quantum Fireball TM3200 (int. HD) (ID 0) (int. terminated)
    > |
    > Matsushita CR-8005A (int. CD-ROM player) (ID 3)
    > |
    > Pioneer DR-U12X (ext. CD-ROM player) (ID 2)
    > |
    > Fujitsu M2512A (MO unit) (ID 5) (ext. terminated)
    >
    > When I connected the scanner to the SCSI chain, however, by taking the
    > terminator off the MO, connecting the scanner with a SCSI cable and
    > putting an ext. terminator on the Umax (ID 1), I saw a sad Mac most of
    > the time at boot, with these lines underneath: "0000 000F" and "0000
    > 0001". The last digit in the last line could also alternately be a 3 or
    > an A.
    >
    > Sometimes I saw the well-known floppy with the flashing question mark,
    > instead of the sad Mac. When I put Apple's Disk Tools floppy in, MacOS
    > booted up from there. Drive Install Lite showed the Mac saw the scanner
    > the MO unit and both CD-ROM players but not my internal HD :-(!
    >
    > Then I switched my Mac off and decoupled the Fujitsu and the Pioneer.
    > Then I booted, with the Umax as sole external SCSI device. This time my
    > Mac started without a hitch. CD-ROM Toolkit however told me my Mac saw
    > the scanner and my internal HD but not my internal CD-ROM player :-(!
    >
    > Nevertheless, this way I could test the scanner with B/W and colour A4s.
    > IMO it works, as far as scanning goes, as you can expect :-).
    >
    > Thus, do I now need a NuBus SCSI card for the scanner, or is there some
    > way all my SCSI devices can live together on one bus?
    >
    > If you have any experience with Agfa or other SCSI scanners, I would be
    > glad to hear from you :-).
    >
    > Any useful info. shall be duly appreciated on this NG. You can write
    > directly to me, by modifying the address in my .sig :-).
    >
    > Yours sincerely,
    > --
    > -------
    > Seiju Teramoto <macfanaat at cistron dot nl>
    > 's-Gravenhage, Nederland / The Hague, the Netherlands
    > gebruiker / user: Power Mac 7100/80 (MacOS v8.1), Apple //e
    > al 22 jaar Apple-fan / Apple fan of 22 years' standing
    > "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -- Steve Jobs
    >
  2. Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.scanner (More info?)

    Which OS are you using? With a similar setup on my beige G3, Moc OS 8.x has
    no problems with two or three external devices (CD writer, Umax 610 SCSI
    scanner and external drive).

    However, Mac OS X is VERY much more sensitive about scsi, seemingly
    objecting to both/either too long a chain, or exactly how it is terminated.

    Also, my understanding about how the controller works is different. I
    thought the controller was in the middle of the chanin, so it goes internal
    devices, controller, external devices. The order will of course make a
    difference to where the termination is placed. You seem to have it in the
    middle of the chain, but I thought it should be at the end of both the
    internal part of the chain and the internal part of the chain.

    What are you actually using to terminate the chains, are you using separate
    terminators, or switched terminators in the device.

    You should use Apple System Profiler to report what devices are seen.

    Finally, I did read somewhere on the web about some problems with the UMAX
    scanner (sorry, can't remember where), something like it did not pass
    through power for the terminator. I can't remember what the solution was,
    maybe something like opening the box and rewiring the connectors, but maybe
    also, if you have the UMAX on, that would get round the problem.

    Hope this helps. (email me direct if you like).


    In article <crkuca$9tj$2@news.cistron.nl>,
    <macfanaatVERWIJDER@DITcistron.nl> wrote:

    >Hello everyone,
    >
    >In order to scan photographs for my W3 site <www.macfanaat.cistron.nl> I
    >bought last month a Umax 1200S for my Power Mac 7100/80 AV, based on
    >reviews which put Agfa and Umax scanners on top. Installing the software
    >was problem-free.
    >
    >My PM 7100's SCSI chain looks like this (without scanner):
    >
    >controller (ID 7)
    > |
    >Quantum Fireball TM3200 (int. HD) (ID 0) (int. terminated)
    > |
    >Matsushita CR-8005A (int. CD-ROM player) (ID 3)
    > |
    >Pioneer DR-U12X (ext. CD-ROM player) (ID 2)
    > |
    >Fujitsu M2512A (MO unit) (ID 5) (ext. terminated)
    >
    >When I connected the scanner to the SCSI chain, however, by taking the
    >terminator off the MO, connecting the scanner with a SCSI cable and
    >putting an ext. terminator on the Umax (ID 1), I saw a sad Mac most of
    >the time at boot, with these lines underneath: "0000 000F" and "0000
    >0001". The last digit in the last line could also alternately be a 3 or
    >an A.
    >
    >Sometimes I saw the well-known floppy with the flashing question mark,
    >instead of the sad Mac. When I put Apple's Disk Tools floppy in, MacOS
    >booted up from there. Drive Install Lite showed the Mac saw the scanner
    >the MO unit and both CD-ROM players but not my internal HD :-(!
    >
    >Then I switched my Mac off and decoupled the Fujitsu and the Pioneer.
    >Then I booted, with the Umax as sole external SCSI device. This time my
    >Mac started without a hitch. CD-ROM Toolkit however told me my Mac saw
    >the scanner and my internal HD but not my internal CD-ROM player :-(!
    >
    >Nevertheless, this way I could test the scanner with B/W and colour A4s.
    >IMO it works, as far as scanning goes, as you can expect :-).
    >
    >Thus, do I now need a NuBus SCSI card for the scanner, or is there some
    >way all my SCSI devices can live together on one bus?
    >
    >If you have any experience with Agfa or other SCSI scanners, I would be
    >glad to hear from you :-).
    >
    >Any useful info. shall be duly appreciated on this NG. You can write
    >directly to me, by modifying the address in my .sig :-).
    >
    >Yours sincerely,
    >--
    >-------
    >Seiju Teramoto <macfanaat at cistron dot nl>
    >'s-Gravenhage, Nederland / The Hague, the Netherlands
    >gebruiker / user: Power Mac 7100/80 (MacOS v8.1), Apple //e
    >al 22 jaar Apple-fan / Apple fan of 22 years' standing
    >"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -- Steve Jobs
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