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October 30, 2006 9:08:42 PM

Hey team,

I have a All-in-Wonder 9700 PRO which I think has totally crapped out. (video on screen has gone crappy and monitor has been troubleshot out of the equation)

So, I need to replace this card which is for my video editing rig that has 2GB of memory 2TB of storage and a Soyo P4I875P mobo (my friend built it a few years ago for me)

Anyway, I don't know if video card has a big impact on rendering video and compressing video.

Does it?

I think I paid $399 for the AIW card the week it came out and I am NOT going to do that this time.

My mobo book tells me that my board supports: "Extreme 8X AGP Support" (who the hell knows what that means)

Is there a certain kind of card that I should be looking for? (I didn't see any "extreme" 8x cards when I did some froogling) but I also don't know if this board is AGP PRO...

I don't need dual display and I also don't need the tuner like my A-I-W card has now so is there an 8x card on the market that will suit this aging system nicely without spending the big bucks?

I think an older 8x card might be right for me unless there IS an impact on render and compression times offered by a more powerful video card.

Thanks so much.

PRO

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a b U Graphics card
October 30, 2006 9:50:53 PM

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Anyway, I don't know if video card has a big impact on rendering video and compressing video.

Does it?


It can depending on the task and the tools used. When using the ATi AVIVO video converter the the X1K series can help alot. nV's GF6 & 7 help somewhat but the CPU load is still higher. They both have different features too. Also the nV PureVideo converter portion is still an extra charge.

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My mobo book tells me that my board supports: "Extreme 8X AGP Support" (who the hell knows what that means)


I'm not sure the impact of AGP vs PCIe though.

For basic 720P you could use an X1300, but for 1080P you'd want at least an X1650Pro, and likely at least the X1650XT/X1950PRO (edit: or whatever it is they put to AGP).

The improvement in speed is quite dramatic.

Now the rendering part is only minorly affected at best in some specific apps, the biggest thing it helps is to preview effects, the final assembly/output render will be primarily CPU based.
October 30, 2006 9:54:51 PM

Extreme could either be the adjective becuase your board was produced just when 8X AGP was getting big or its possible it could be an AGP pro slot???
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a b U Graphics card
October 30, 2006 9:56:30 PM

Almost wouldn't matter though really.

Everything is made for AGP3.0 now anyways, it's doubtful he'd be using the 'PRO' wattage portion even if it was PRO-50 / PRO-110.
October 31, 2006 4:04:03 AM

Excellent!

Aside from the fact that I don't really understand what you just said I think I am gathering that there is hope for me to upgrade.

What should I look for in an AGP 8x card then?

I will be ok if I buy one of the $100 cards I see on new egg like this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Or is something like this just as good:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...



I DON'T need one of the super $$$ cards right?

thanks

PRO
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2006 5:44:51 AM

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Aside from the fact that I don't really understand what you just said I think I am gathering that there is hope for me to upgrade.


LOL! OK, I get alot of that. :mrgreen:

Here's some info for you;
http://ati.amd.com/technology/Avivo/technology.html
http://www.beyond3d.com/previews/ati/avivo/

Playback CPU utilization still favours ATi to this day (everyone said PureVideo caught up, but only in HQV scores not CPU utilization);
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_c...

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I will be ok if I buy one of the $100 cards I see on new egg like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Or is something like this just as good:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

I DON'T need one of the super $$$ cards right?


Nah, likely the X1300 will likely be good enough for most things you want to do, but the X1600 gives you a little headroom for when Vista comes out, but it depends on if it's worth it to you. The only thing I like about the X1300 as an 'advantage' is that it doesn't have a fan, it's pasive cooling only, which means no fan to break long term, and no fan noise, but there are also passive X1600s and GF7600s, and even GF7950GTs if you can believe it.

I'd say for the future the X1600Pro with the 512MB is the way to go, but it's your call and for 2D I don't think the performance difference would be noticeable. As time goes on though who knows what parts of the core they will take advantage of (just look at the Folding @ Home improvements).
October 31, 2006 6:46:01 PM

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...but the X1600 gives you a little headroom for when Vista comes out.

I'd say for the future the X1600Pro with the 512MB is the way to go, but it's your call and for 2D I don't think the performance difference would be noticeable.


Well thank you so much for your help and thank you again for the tip on the Avivo software.

I am going to order the X1600PRO since it's only a few bucks more.

Just one last question: Does the brand of the card matter?
What is the difference between these two cards?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Thank you again for helping me.

late

PRO
October 31, 2006 6:51:31 PM

No real difference. I'd go for the cheaper one.
a c 365 U Graphics card
October 31, 2006 7:25:52 PM

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Well thank you so much for your help and thank you again for the tip on the Avivo software.



Just be aware that AVIVO is rather limited. Until other video editing software can take advantage of AVIVO technology, you won't be able to it outside of ATI's little applet.
October 31, 2006 8:58:40 PM

THANKS!

You guys answered all of my questions AND MORE!

Thank you.

late

PRO
a b U Graphics card
October 31, 2006 9:15:55 PM

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Just be aware that AVIVO is rather limited. Until other video editing software can take advantage of AVIVO technology, you won't be able to it outside of ATI's little applet.


Which is still more than without it.

It's like buying a card, do you want the one with AC or not?

Sure you might use AC 10 times a year in some places, and maybe 50 times over the life of the car, but would you rather have it or not if it's a free feature?

No one else has a comparable product right now, although nV does offer some similar features for a price, but not as much acceleration and not as many options.

And it does accelerated transcoding of WMV, AVI, DivX, H.264 for AVI and MP4, Standard MPG 1,2,4 and a few others, so it's not like he's getting some unknown format and limited benifit, for what he's looking for it does offer some additional benifit even if he doesn't choose to use it.
a c 365 U Graphics card
October 31, 2006 9:38:08 PM

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Just be aware that AVIVO is rather limited. Until other video editing software can take advantage of AVIVO technology, you won't be able to it outside of ATI's little applet.


Which is still more than without it.

It's like buying a card, do you want the one with AC or not?



I am merely making a counter-point. AVIVO for the purpose of encoding video should not be the deciding factor because the options are very, very limited.
a b U Graphics card
November 1, 2006 12:00:54 AM

Yeah but the compression transcoding he's talking about (WMV in the title) is one of the many AVIVO supports, so I think that it should be a deciding factor since it does just that, and with more options than many pieces of software out there that don't accelerate encoding, just cpu based encoding, this is far from limited let alone "very very limited".
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