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October 31, 2006 7:34:19 AM

Hi ,

I've posted some time ago about a 7600gs DDR2 vs 7300GT DDR3 , anyways I couldnt get either of these , Thanks to a mobo blow up and now now I am stuck with my old 6600 AGP agian .

after a few months of my last post . prices has certainly dropped
so I am totally ignoring the 7300GT also because the DDR3 version is not available any more here .

please note that most prices here ( at my country ) are like $40 to $80 more expensive than online retailers or any other place .

so after much searching I found the 7600GS priced at ( $120 - $160 here ) should be my perfect upgrade option , as thats as much I want to pay for a new graphics card .

the problem is , the offerings ...
MSI 7600GS - Silent - 256 DDR2 + Brother in arms = $120 , thats the cheapest 7600GS here .

Gigabyte 7600GS - Silent - 256 DDR2 + SeriousSam 2 = $160 , very expensive for the 7600gs line ( GPU clock +100 than default )

XFX 7600GS - Silent - 256 DDR2 -$162 - still expensive but with my current XFX 6600 , I certainly love XFX .

the MSI comes with 3 years waranty , Gigabyte with one , XFX with two .
I've seen a recent comparison review between the Gigaybte and the MSI one , in terms of speed , the Gigabyte was obviously faster at stock , since its alreayd oced , but when both were overclocked ..the MSI really kicked the gigas butt .

so what I am simply asking , Should I go for the MSI ? I have read info/spec from the website stating that its a PURE 256 MB DDR2 , tho some STUPID retailers here list it as TC , is that possible ? altho there's not a single word on teh box saying its TC .

Are there any offerings from the same price tag I could look at ?
the 7600GT ( Gigabyte ) with 256 DDR2 is priced at $210 , which is totally overpriced .

there's also a strange long packaged looking X1600 PRO , from Gigabyte at $140 , I didn't bother to look much as Iam not really into ATis numbering and models .

so should the 7600GS from MSi do for me for now ?
( Until a DX10 8600GS :D  comes out ! )

or are there any other suggestions ?
Thanks in advance people .

edit : here's the comparison review between msis 7600gs and gigas
http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/review.php?id=06vga0...

More about : upgrade budget 7600gs

October 31, 2006 8:07:22 AM

dont go for a fanless one unless you live in a cold country

at idle they only run 10deg more but on loading it can be as much as 30degC

previous fanless designs worked because they were big and used copper, these new cheap ones use Aluminium

76GT is a good choice, but tbh isnt a huge upgrade over a 6600GT
October 31, 2006 8:23:47 AM

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76GT is a good choice, but tbh isnt a huge upgrade over a 6600GT


NOT big? in 3dmarks you go from 3500 to 6000, wich i call a big upgrade
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October 31, 2006 8:31:14 AM

but its a good guideline, at least thats where i use it for.
October 31, 2006 8:37:01 AM

From my experience it isnt that big (then i mean 3dmark05, because 06 is very cpu dependant with those included cpu tests), but with toms vga charts with their expensive cpu's and all, my 6600 always had the same score, but even still, i wouldnt call stepping from a 6600gt to a 7600gt a small upgrade, but rather big.
October 31, 2006 9:23:24 AM

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A 7600GT would be your better choice. But if all you can afford is the GS then there isn't much else you can do.


I agreee, you would be much better off if you could find a way to afford the 7600GT. Either save up for just a little longer or search for some better prices.

Just re-read your post, you're looking for an AGP card? Could only find one 7600GT on newegg and it was 20-50 dollars more than the GS. 179.99 here. Good luck :wink:
October 31, 2006 9:39:28 AM

First of all , thanks for all of your FAST replies :) 

Let me clear a few things out

First I own the Vanila 6600 AGP 128 DDR , not the 6600GT, so a 7300GT is a HUGE step for a 6600 :p 

anyways excuse me for not brining my system specs here ,

Athlon 64 3000+ ( running at 2.2 ghz )
MSI Neo3-F ( Nforce 4X chipset ( Agp + PCI-E ) )
2x 512 Kingston Rams ( forgot the timings , but they were not sexy :p  )
2x80 Segate Barracuda 7200.7 RPM ATA disks
XFX Geforce 6600 128DDR AGP8X ( oced 478 / 600 )
Lite-ON 16 DVD-RW Drive
Samsung Synmacster 17" Perfect flat monitor

I know my system is not exactly a Good one , but since this new MOBO crippled my AGP card , I at least want to enjoy my games as they were , so getting a PCI-E card is the way to go for me , and a cheap one cuz the whole system wont last another year I see , with all these dual cores babes arround me .

So basicly I am stuck with the 7600gs according to you guys , but if I saved a bit I could get the 7600GT ... well the only 7600GT I can get , is a 256 DDR2 one from Gigabyte , priced at $210 .. I shall search for more results

I might be able to buy a 7600gt but on installments .. not cash ( some companies do that here but they add 3.25% intrest per month )

Thanks again , waiting for more info..
October 31, 2006 9:44:17 AM

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A 7600GT would be your better choice. But if all you can afford is the GS then there isn't much else you can do.


I agreee, you would be much better off if you could find a way to afford the 7600GT. Either save up for just a little longer or search for some better prices.

Just re-read your post, you're looking for an AGP card? Could only find one 7600GT on newegg and it was 20-50 dollars more than the GS. 179.99 here. Good luck :wink:


My mobo is a MSI Neo-3F , a MODDED NForce 4 chipset for the old Athlon64 Socket 735 , which insted of SLI , they transformed one of the PCi-E 16x ports to a AGR SLOT ( AGP emulated slot ) which supports some AGP cards . however it cripples thier performance by more than 60%

I used to score 2900 marks in 3Dmark2005 with my oced 6600 AGP , after the new mobo , it doesn't reach 700 marks !!

same story at games .

so basicly Insted of getting another AGP mobo .. I could get a better PCI-E card , since the motherboard itself other than that stupid AGR slot is fine .
October 31, 2006 10:53:10 AM

Kiwi dollars ?

no That's American Dollars , I live in Cairo , Egypt

1 $ = 5.7 EGP
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 31, 2006 12:17:34 PM

Sorry mate I was making assumptions based on your first post where you included a link to a New Zealand based Site. :oops: 

160.00 EGP Egypt Pounds = 14.6993 GBP United Kingdom Pounds

85.00 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 925.219 EGP Egypt Pounds 8O 8O

according to this converter http://www.xe.com/ucc/
October 31, 2006 9:55:02 PM

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Sorry mate I was making assumptions based on your first post where you included a link to a New Zealand based Site. :oops: 

160.00 EGP Egypt Pounds = 14.6993 GBP United Kingdom Pounds

85.00 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 925.219 EGP Egypt Pounds 8O 8O

according to this converter http://www.xe.com/ucc/


yepp thats why we never buy stuff from the UK :p 
a c 271 U Graphics card
October 31, 2006 10:48:34 PM

:lol:  :lol:  :lol: 
November 2, 2006 8:35:17 AM

ok after a DEEEEEP search thru the markets here , my offerings are :


MSI Geforce 7600GS - 256 DDR2 - Silent - ( Brother in arms bundle )
thats $122 (here) .

XFX Geforce 7300GT 256 DDR2 , that's $114 , POINTLESS !!

Gigabyte Geforce 7600GS - 256 DDR2 Silent ( Serious Sam 2 )
$164 ( dunno why )

Gigabyte Geforce 7600GT - 256 GDDR3 ( CIV4 bundle )
$254 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


some useless X1600s ( not X1650s )
and some other useless 7300GTs ( no GDDR3 tho )

there is however
a GALAXY 7600GS With ZALMAN cooling for $135
I am not sure about it ,any info ?

and it has +100 on both gpu / memory clocks
November 2, 2006 9:32:00 AM

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76GT is a good choice, but tbh isnt a huge upgrade over a 6600GT


NOT big? in 3dmarks you go from 3500 to 6000, wich i call a big upgrade

I would have to agree that the 76 is a BIG upgrade to the 66gt...
According to the VGA charts using HL2 @ 1024x768 with 32 bit 4xAA 8xAF the 66GT got 40fps and the 76GT got 72 fps which is almost double the fps...

This makes me especially happy cause I just bought a 7600gt :) 

JonC
November 2, 2006 6:07:34 PM

What about an X1950 PRO? Don't know what the price is for you...
November 2, 2006 8:45:32 PM

I think an X1950Pro is out of the OPs price range.

Get whichever 7600GS is cheapest.
November 2, 2006 9:28:31 PM

Quote:
First of all , thanks for all of your FAST replies :) 

Let me clear a few things out

First I own the Vanila 6600 AGP 128 DDR , not the 6600GT, so a 7300GT is a HUGE step for a 6600 :p 

anyways excuse me for not brining my system specs here ,

Athlon 64 3000+ ( running at 2.2 ghz )
MSI Neo3-F ( Nforce 4X chipset ( Agp + PCI-E ) )
2x 512 Kingston Rams ( forgot the timings , but they were not sexy :p  )
2x80 Segate Barracuda 7200.7 RPM ATA disks
XFX Geforce 6600 128DDR AGP8X ( oced 478 / 600 )
Lite-ON 16 DVD-RW Drive
Samsung Synmacster 17" Perfect flat monitor

I know my system is not exactly a Good one , but since this new MOBO crippled my AGP card , I at least want to enjoy my games as they were , so getting a PCI-E card is the way to go for me , and a cheap one cuz the whole system wont last another year I see , with all these dual cores babes arround me .

So basicly I am stuck with the 7600gs according to you guys , but if I saved a bit I could get the 7600GT ... well the only 7600GT I can get , is a 256 DDR2 one from Gigabyte , priced at $210 .. I shall search for more results

I might be able to buy a 7600gt but on installments .. not cash ( some companies do that here but they add 3.25% intrest per month )

Thanks again , waiting for more info..


OK you have 2 - 3 options. Either the GF7300GT DDR3 which is pretty much a GF7600GS. And I have heard over Clocks well because of its GDDR3 memory.
(STAY AWAY FROM THE DDR2 models. they are equal to you GF6600 which , wouldn't be an upgrade at all).Also their is the GF7600GS which is a good card and would be a nice upgrade from your card.
Also the GF7600GT has been found in a lot of places being really cheap. And it is a great card.
Has anyone thought about the ATI 800GTO I have seen them for around $100.
Further more 3D MARK scores SUCK.. I don't even look at them anymore... After I saw the ATI x1300pro get a higher score then a GF6800ultra...(which we all know is such BS!)
November 2, 2006 11:50:28 PM

Thanks again fellas

The only GDDR3 7300GT here is the GALAXY one with ZALMAN COOLING
but it costs more than a 7600GS , if a 7300GT equals a 7600gs and beats it when OCED , then getting an EQUALY priced 7600GS and OCing it will sure beat the 7300GT , right ?

I've seen the MSI one I am looking at oced 100+ cpu and 125+ memory with no extra stuff .

which makes it cool , since my current Vanila 6600 128AGP stocks at 300gpu/500mem , I've oced it go 475cpu/625mem ( thats the maximum it goes without artifcatcs )

but the gfx card reaches degrees of 75 to 85 C ( not F )

I guess I will go for the MSI 7600GS for now , I will keep you guys updated , Thanks again
a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2006 2:03:37 AM

That Galaxy Zalman 7300GT GDDR3 is actually not only faster than the reference 7600GS, it beats the factory overclocked ones also.

Digit-life used that Galxy, check out how it did:

The card:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0906/itogi...

The performance charts:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/index.html

Note you can see how it does compared to a 7600GT, 7600GS clocked 550/950, 7600GS reference clocks, and a GDDR2 7300GT.
November 3, 2006 12:39:17 PM

Yeah thanks for the links

I checked with the GALAXY dealer here again , the Zalman 7300Gt is out of stock

only the ZALMAN 7600GS is there !! according to the site u gave me , its merely 2% to 9% slower than a Reference 7600GT in all tests :D  without even OCing it , comes with 2 Bios and A Silent Zalman Cooling Fan .

Its for $228 , the Gigabyte Reference 7600GT 256 GDDR3 is for $254

so the prices .... well they don't differ much ...
November 3, 2006 1:14:00 PM

You've listed only nVidia offerings. Are you able to get anything from ATI? Do you know if the X850Pro is available to you?

It's only SM2 compared to SM3 for the cards you are looking at but it's faster card.
November 3, 2006 9:29:44 PM

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You've listed only nVidia offerings. Are you able to get anything from ATI? Do you know if the X850Pro is available to you?

It's only SM2 compared to SM3 for the cards you are looking at but it's faster card.


Thanks for your reply ,

Well Like I mentioned I am not really following ATi news and products , the only time I was intrested in an ATi card , was when I was buying my 3rd PC , A Pentium 3 1.0 GHZ system , 4 or 5 years ago , The only graphics cards available then were RIVA TNTS and ATi Rage series here , until I saw a advertisement in the PAPERS about the all new ATi Radeon 64 , it was called just that :D  , and it was for about $210 , a friend of mine got one Instantly to his newly P4 1.7 ( was the fastest back then :p  ) but he gradualy hate it , as it give him hell in drivers issues ... textuers errors and alot of troubles . Anyways I was off when I saw the Geforce 2MX 32SDR , was the first MX to reach my country and in fact was the first GEFORCE ever I've seen , for $100 back then it was like a dream come true , I never REGRET getting this card , it was a bang for its bucks and I really enjoyed my gaming at least 2 years ahead .

Back to the point , ATis offering here are very weak , especialy in the mid-range/high end market .. all of the popular Offerings are OLD MID RANGED CARDS ( X600 - X700s ) and new Low End ones , X1300 and X1600 .

but If I remember correctly and THG VGA chart is also proving this , that my VANILA 6600 is not very much different than a x600 - x700 , in fact its faster than an X600 in hl2 , slower by a small margain from the X700 .

same story with the X1600 , X1600 pro , discluding the 1600XT series .
the 7600GS is almost faster than all of these , even the X1650 and is close to the X800 GTO.

anyways , a Fast look at the market , ( no prices tho ) these are my ATi options :

Usual finds (ALOT ALOT of them in stock ) :

ATi Radeon X1300
ATi Radeon X1600
ATi Radeon X600
ATi Radeon X300
ATi Radeon 9800
ATi Radeon 9600

and alot of cheap stuff :
ATi Radeon 9200
ATi Radeon 9000
ATi Radeon 9250

some RARE wierd STUFF :

ATi X700 512 DDR2
ATi X850 256 GDDR3

these are the only ATi cards available here , And I am not sure about their pricing , I thought I should ask you ppl first about them .

from my humble knowledge of GFX cards ... Nvidia always seems to win the MID RANGE segment , these years with the 7600GS/7600GT , past years with the 6600GT , and at low end segments , Nvidia cards are cheaper and close or better than the ATi offerings , as for high end ones , I am not really sure and I don't really care since I can't possibly spend more than $175 on a GFX card , No I am not that gamer ! especially noting that I am only using a 17" Flat Samsung Syncmaster CRT . :) 

if u happen to know a card for AT MOST $175 our market price , ( That's almost $120 to you ) and better than a 7600GS - 7300GT GDDR3 , from even MATROX :p  lol ,, plz let me know !!
a b U Graphics card
November 3, 2006 9:42:44 PM

Give us a link to a website you can buy from. A X850 pro would easily beat a 7600GS.
November 3, 2006 10:58:55 PM

UM . . . ? WHERE DO YOU LIVE? ON "NEWEGG" THEY HAVE A PRETTY NICE 7600GS FOR A COOL $88 BUCKS.

3D FUZION 7600GS

BUT AN EVEN BETTER DEAL IS THE X800GTO WHICH IS FASTER THAN THE 7600GS. I HAVE ONE OC'D FASTER THAN 7600GT

POWERCOLOR X800GTO

THOSE ARE YOUR "BEST" OPTIONS FOR SUB < $100
November 4, 2006 12:18:41 AM

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Give us a link to a website you can buy from. A X850 pro would easily beat a 7600GS.


Well I can buy from E-bay or any online retailer that has WORLDWIDE shipping , Most or all of NewEGGS offering are US/Canada only .

I live in Cairo , Egypt.

According to E-bay , shipping a graphics card from the US back to EGYPT , ranges from $25 to $30 , in 4-10 days ( UPS ) .



Thanks OEM-NIB

I will see if they have Worldwide shipping , I rather get a 7600GS still , but I will look at the X800GTO as well .
November 4, 2006 1:25:56 AM

Quote:
UM . . . ? WHERE DO YOU LIVE? ON "NEWEGG" THEY HAVE A PRETTY NICE 7600GS FOR A COOL $88 BUCKS.

3D FUZION 7600GS

BUT AN EVEN BETTER DEAL IS THE X800GTO WHICH IS FASTER THAN THE 7600GS. I HAVE ONE OC'D FASTER THAN 7600GT

POWERCOLOR X800GTO

THOSE ARE YOUR "BEST" OPTIONS FOR SUB < $100




Stole that one from Action_Man I think, thought it was funny... Seriously though, I have heard good things about the Asus EAX1650XT.

Not sure if its in your budget though. Just a thought.
November 4, 2006 2:16:40 AM

WoW Egypt is pretty far out. Good luck in trying to find oan affordable graphic card out there. :lol:  Like you said, you might be able to find one on ebay. But the unfortunate thing is that eBay tends not to be the $cheapest$ when it comes to electronic items, unless that particular item has millions of listings everyday. (like the ipod nano)
November 4, 2006 2:20:38 AM

Quote:
LIQUID COOLED Pentium D805 @ 4.00GHZ 26C IDLE/37C LOAD
ASUS P5ND2SLI
1GB CORSAIR XMS DDR2 800
TEC COOLED ATI X800GTO16 running @ 648MHZ/1180MHZ "SMOKES 7600GT whatever"
THERMOCHILL HE 120.2 RADIATOR with 120mm X 4 "PULL CONFIGURATION"

Put up a 3dmark 05 link to that water/TEC cooled rig of yours.
November 4, 2006 2:31:57 AM

Quote:
LIQUID COOLED Pentium D805 @ 4.00GHZ 26C IDLE/37C LOAD
ASUS P5ND2SLI
1GB CORSAIR XMS DDR2 800
TEC COOLED ATI X800GTO16 running @ 648MHZ/1180MHZ "SMOKES 7600GT whatever"
THERMOCHILL HE 120.2 RADIATOR with 120mm X 4 "PULL CONFIGURATION"

Put up a 3dmark 05 link to that water/TEC cooled rig of yours.

I dont have 3dmark, where do I get it?
November 4, 2006 4:10:15 AM

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I dont have 3dmark

You dont have a Tek/water cooled computer either.

Nobody who is stupid enough post on a forum using all CAPS has a custom built, professionally cooled system like the one in your specs.

And anyone who has a system like yours sure as hell knows what 3dmark is :roll:
November 4, 2006 4:32:46 AM

Why the hell would you properly TEC a system like that anyway? thats my question....
November 4, 2006 4:42:33 AM

hah, will ya look at this.
I guess your gonna want pics and all that huh?
okay you'll get, I ain't no punk
whats your email address? :evil: 
November 4, 2006 4:44:54 AM

hell with email...post it on here.
November 4, 2006 4:50:36 AM

He doesnt know what ImageShack is either :lol: 
November 4, 2006 4:56:33 AM

lol. if your gonna call him out, dont be that mean.... :lol: 
November 4, 2006 5:01:57 AM

You're right, I'll leave him be.
November 4, 2006 6:26:59 AM

ROFL !!

well I kinda did like him fellas ! don't be mean !
I don't have 2x Segate Barracuda 80GB 7200.7 HDS
I have one 80 and one 60 :D 

wopps

I saw the X1650 and the 7900GS today ,
$290 for the first one , $330 for the second one

Apparently they dont recognized the GS / GT

if its 7900 its over 300 ! even if nVidia brought back the MX 7900mx !
idiots ! ( my retailers that is ).

anyways I will keep looking , thanks again

as for my country , some pre-answers that are always cliche in these situations :

Egypt , is 22Hours away By Plane fom Washington D.C , U have to make a PIT stop at London for some reason and continue . I traveled there once 2 years ago .

No I don't have A Beard

No I Don't wear white stuff , almsot all my clothings are adidas / nike , no they are not american they are made in Adidas/Nike Factories here , except gadgets and shoes ( China of course ! )

No we don't ride camels ! I ( and my family ) Own a 1996 Toyota Corrolla , and a 2006 Fiat Palio 2 ( No it's not a sports car at all ) .

and yes the only thing between our nation and israel , is that both of us don't eat pigs .

End of Pre-Answers .

Sorry but I seem to answer similar questions or related ones which-ever forum I speak of my country !! :D 
November 4, 2006 7:45:40 AM

I know how you feel, I'm from Texas and people from up north were always asking me if i rode a horse to school, etc....
November 4, 2006 8:37:19 AM

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I know how you feel, I'm from Texas and people from up north were always asking me if i rode a horse to school, etc....


BUT you do wear a cowyboys hat ! dont you ? :p 

hehe , just kidding
November 4, 2006 11:47:44 AM

Thanks mate !

I found the PERFECT solution !
my cousin live sin NY , and he is coming home ( my place ) in December ! I will see if he was able to get me one , or I can buy from NEWEGG and ship it to him .

if not , then its definetly the 7600GS ZALMAN 256GDDR3 edition from Galaxy .
a b U Graphics card
November 4, 2006 4:29:57 PM

Newegg won't take an international credit card. Just have your cousin order one from Newegg (no sales tax shipped to NY). If he doesn't have a credit card, he will have to look for a local good price. Shoot, even if you give him some money for the effort it should still beat the prices you have listed for over there.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
It will cost ya about $135 (USD), let your cousin mail-in/keep the $20 rebate.
November 5, 2006 11:44:03 AM

well he's gonna call me tonight

Anyways I've made another DEEP SEARCH

perfect prices ( for us here )

MSI 7600GT 256 GDDR3 ( $205 )
MSI 7600GS 256 DDR2 ( $122 )

I will see how much of money I will manage today , I still wanted to buy that damned Timberland jacket ! :p  nm tho and some leather seats for my car ..

Anyone has a job for a graduate Architect ? plz ? :D 
November 5, 2006 11:45:24 AM

well he's gonna call me tonight

Anyways I've made another DEEP SEARCH

perfect prices ( for us here )

MSI 7600GT 256 GDDR3 ( $205 )
MSI 7600GS 256 DDR2 ( $122 )

I will see how much of money I will manage today , I still wanted to buy that damned Timberland jacket ! :p  nm tho and some leather seats for my car ..

Anyone has a job for a graduate Architect ? plz ? :D 
November 5, 2006 9:44:37 PM

UPDATE !

OK I FOUND 4 NEW OFFERINGS !

Galaxy 6800XT OCED ZALMAN COOLING edition ( 256-bit - 256 GDDR3 ) $140

ATi X800 256-bit 256GDDR3 ( not the GTO tho ) $135

Chaintech Apoge 7300GT 256 GDDR3 , Zalman Cooling , OCED $135


along with the MSI 7600GS 256 DDR2 ( $120 )


EDIT !! according to DOZENS of reviews ! the 7300GT with GDDR3 256 Memory and Zalman cooling from Inno3D/Gainward and supposinnly ( I suppose chaintech did the same ) is ALOT FASTER than the 7600GS and the 6800xt and even the Old 6600 KING !

this card is a winner ! I dont want to spend much , to hell with the 7600GT , I think this card is a gem here are more details :


0.09u process technology
128-bit advanced memory interface
256-bit graphics architecture
560 MHz engine clock
1400 MHz memory clock
256 DDR3 SDRAM
ZALMAN Cooling
2 Years Waranty

PIC :


And its available here , Price $130 , thats just $10 over the MSI 7600gs .
What do you think fellas ???

is Chaintech good ? I couldn't find reviews of this 7300GT of thiers .. but the worse case scenario its going to be what 5% slower than Inno3s or Gainward ? thats still alot better than a 7600GS , even better than the Gigabyte factory OCED 7600gs .

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2012&c...
!