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http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/ [...] /index.php

Of course not a word of this picked up by Tom's Hardware -- geee, big surprise there.

Doesn't even include all the iPhone sales only 270,000 unit that sold in the first 30 hours.

Leopard is due out in Oct, new iPod due out xMas, iPhone due out in Europe with G3 come end of year, future is looking VERY good for Apple.

Oh yeah, the new "Free to download" Boot Camp 1.4 supports Vista32 and Vista64 so you can have your Apple and Oranges all in one.

And some very tastey video card options coming onboard for Mac Pro line...

If Apple stock weren't so expensive -- guess I better wait for them to split.

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Reply to mrface

Wow....thats worth $818million?? :o Well, I guess some people will buy anything!


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Reply to turpit

The resemblence is striking.

Reply to WingDing

You have your mother's eyes [/Frankenstein joke]

Reply to WingDing

lulz @ eyes jokie..

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Reply to mrface

Peanut gallery chimes in...is anyone here actually over the age of 12?

Maybe that's why Tom's changed the web GUI -- it does have a more child like appeal for the kiddies that love to post.

Wonder when the advertisers keeping this place alive will realize this also and see zero return on their investment.

Reply to V8VENOM

Read the stickies moron.

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Reply to Ninjahedge

$818 million profit? We should lynch them like a the oil companies.

Oh wait, its ok for Apple to make money but when its the oil companies or Microsoft we form the lynch mob. Sorry, I forgot.

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Reply to Riser

$818million for selling faulty products? Sounds like a few isheep got fleeced (pun intended).

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Reply to llama_man

consumer ignorance is a shocking thing. I blame marketing, need more restrictons, over here in the UK some of their adverts were forced to be removed due to blatant misleading claims.

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Reply to strangestranger

The phone "appears" to be pretty cool to deal with. But, when I have a phone that is all touch screen, I know there will be problems.

My phone is a phone. That's what I want to use it for. Nothing else. The camera is handy like once every 2 months.

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Reply to Riser

They have some genuinely good ideas. They overprice and misleadingly market them, but they are, in general, aimed at the techno-idiots and gadget hounds of this world.

I admire their marketing team in the same way I admire Rove. They took a 'meh' product and sold it to enough people to make it a success, and also to turn those that were sold on it against those that were not. Brilliant marketing.

But the thing that annoys me is the way people, the companies themselves included, can't seem to find some way to integrate these guys. Some standard platform that would allow more crossing over.

Apple has done it with Video Cards, but why are they so reluctant do truly open up the doors to their motehrboards, procesors, memory and other devices? Maybe what they need to do is make it so, like Dell and the others, they offer their own packages and combos that are guaranteed to work, but still open the doors for 3rd party development.

It would be nice to see a bit more crossing over rather than ads of people saying how great their i-XXXX compared to their previous "like, IMPOSSIBLE" Intel/AMD boxes.


But whatever.

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Reply to Ninjahedge

exactly what parts of apples hardware do they make themselves?

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Reply to strangestranger

By opening up their products to a broader spectum, realiability will go down.

How much can you truly customize a Mac? Even with music, you have to use their iTunes to get music in their m4p or whatever it is.

If their products go across the board, problems will pop up and that will hurt their image, much like Vista hurting the image of Microsoft because of problems. Even though many of problems exist outside of Vista, people blame it when something doesn't work.

Marketing is very similar to using that. Make them blame someone else and they'll keep buying your product.

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Reply to Riser

mp4

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Reply to mrface

You make an idiot box, you get idiots buying it.


And Strange, I was referring to compatability. Could you tell me what, besides vid cards and externals, non-branded items work with the Mac?

I am not being facetious. I have just never heard of anything being able to be inserted into their boxes that did not come from their own boxer shorts.

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Reply to Ninjahedge

llama_man wrote :

$818million for selling faulty products?



No, no, no. In America charging customers $4 to download a 15sec ring tone instead of being able to use the entire song you can download on iTunes for $.99 is sheer brilliance.

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Reply to KingLoftusXII

oh sorry, ninja sorry, i thought you mean't they had some proprietary hardware built by themselves. also, you must know more then me as i thought video cards were still slightly differetn even though ATI and nvidia make them.

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Reply to strangestranger

Never, ever, question the ninja's knowledge. It is all encompassing.

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Reply to _WW_

I was talking with coworkers yesterday about gimmicks... Apparently I'm not an American according to them because I don't go around buying the gimmicks.

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Avoid the Noid action figures
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etc.

I don't buy CDs either.

Marketing to Americans is not marketing a great product at a high cost; market a sh*tty product at low cost and nickel and dime everyone to death.

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Reply to Riser

strangestranger wrote :

oh sorry, ninja sorry, i thought you mean't they had some proprietary hardware built by themselves. also, you must know more then me as i thought video cards were still slightly differetn even though ATI and nvidia make them.

 


Um, did you miss the part in my post where I said that Apple was starting to use outside vid cards in their boxes?

Again, name some MFR's that you can buy from that make parts that you can buy online to put in your Mac that are not sold by MacWorld, or are an official "apple" product.

Or you can just go back to belittling me because you are a lazy shiat that does not want to spend the time to dig up any facts about something that he says he is an expert on. :p



BTW, nice beaver.

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Reply to Ninjahedge

Riser wrote :

I was talking with coworkers yesterday about gimmicks... Apparently I'm not an American according to them because I don't go around buying the gimmicks.

Chia Pets
Avoid the Noid action figures
Taco Bell dog
etc.

I don't buy CDs either.

Marketing to Americans is not marketing a great product at a high cost; market a sh*tty product at low cost and nickel and dime everyone to death.




I bought CD's, but I would usually buy them at discount. Some used, some on sale. The $19 price tag for a "regular new" CD was, and still is, ridiculous.

As for the American model? Sell the least to the most. Least being quality (as low as the market will bear) to the most people for the most money.

Just look at things like children's toys. We used to have GI-Joe's that could give Amazon Barbie a shag (Barbie was about an inch taller). Now we get "kung fu grip" Joe that has his thumbs break off.

We used to have tonka payloaders that you could LITERALLY sit on and ride down a hill. Now we have Chinese made "Cars" cars that contain more lead than your plumbing solder.

Bling has beaten actual balls for so long in so many things it is really sad. But, the American (and world population) is, on average, colossally dim witted and easily misinformed and we, as the few that have enough brains to even surf the net for something other than pr0n, have to deal with the results of the mass marketplace catering to them in our products, movies, shows, and everything else.


Message edited by Ninjahedge on 08-30-2007 at 05:48:26 PM
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Reply to Ninjahedge

It wouldn't be the first time that I've said that Americans as a whole as stupid. :)

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Reply to Riser

There's something on the net other than pr0n?

*shocked*

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Reply to llama_man

Ninjahedge wrote :

Um, did you miss the part in my post where I said that Apple was starting to use outside vid cards in their boxes?

Again, name some MFR's that you can buy from that make parts that you can buy online to put in your Mac that are not sold by MacWorld, or are an official "apple" product.

Or you can just go back to belittling me because you are a lazy shiat that does not want to spend the time to dig up any facts about something that he says he is an expert on. :p



BTW, nice beaver.

http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sound [...] beaver.wav



hmm, you sure you know what you are talking about. it may be wikipedia but this aint the first time i have read this, can you provide a link which says otherwise?

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It is important to note that even though the Mac Pro uses industry standard PCIe X16 expansion slots (which are used for modern PCIe X16 video cards), a user cannot simply buy a new PCIe X16 video card and install it into a Mac Pro and use it normally. Using a standard video card will work with Windows XP or Vista under Apple's Bootcamp setup, but will not work under Mac OS X or before the machine starts to boot into Windows. The reason for this is that Apple uses the EFI BIOS, which requires a video card that features a EFI compatible video card bios. Mac OS X requires an EFI Bios, but Windows XP runs under a standard BIOS emulated with Apple's Bootcamp. Thus a Mac user could use a powerful video card, such as a GeForce 8800 GTX, under Windows on a Mac Pro. With one monitor this would require investing in a VGA/DVI video or KVM switch for the user to switch between the "Mac" video card and the new "PC" video card when the user wishes to play games or other 3D applications in Windows.
If a user wishes to get a more powerful video card for their Mac Pro and wishes to use it with Mac OS X, then they only have the option of getting a new card from Apple. Mac Pro EFI PCIe video cards are significantly more expensive than standard PCIe video cards with similar or the same configuration and graphics chip. As of July 11, 2007 Apple charges US$249 for a Radeon x1900 XT, while a user can get a standard "PC" ATi Radeon X1950 XT for less than US$200 on newegg.com. The X1950 XT is a faster card than the X1900 XT.

The Strangedogs.com forums have had users having some success flashing a "PC" PCIe video card to an EFI BIOS. This may require extensive modification to the video card however physically and in software



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Pro

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Reply to strangestranger

90% of internet use would go away if it went away.

The other 10% would be surfing pictures from Maxim-like magazines and computer hardware.

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Reply to Riser

Nah, there'd only be one website;

www.bringbackthepr0n.com


Message edited by llama_man on 08-30-2007 at 07:30:17 PM
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Reply to llama_man

I'm not paying for pr0n. As I won't pay to see women naked either.

Its a joke. :)

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Reply to Riser

Strange, you are still proving my point:

Quote :

As of July 11, 2007 Apple charges US$249 for a Radeon x1900 XT,



It's still ATI.

I am confuse about what side you are taking on this. Is Apple exclusive or not? Or are you just nitpicking for no particular reason?

Oh, and nice Wiki-troll there bottom feeder. You might have well just have put up a Google link. We all know how respected Wiki-refs are when someone is asked to "prove it". :p

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Reply to Ninjahedge

Pr0n aint the only thing on the net. There is other shizznit.

It IS the major moneymaker though. No doubt. Unfortunately, from what I heard, it is not as easy a realm to get started in (financially establishing and running a .com) and turn a profit.

There is already so much that offering something that cannot be had elsewhere, or grafted for free........ Not that I feel sorry for these people or anything.


Oh, w/o the pr0n there would still be plento of NG and torrent traffic on the net... How ele would you get the shakey handi-cam coverage of Spidey 3 the day after the release??? :p

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Reply to Ninjahedge

Riser wrote :

Avoid the Noid action figures



lol. In high-school I worked at the local amusement park and...um...acquired a 4ft tall Noid. It spent the rest of the summer mounted to the grill/hood of my '82 brown Ford Fairmont. No one ever took it...odd.

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Reply to KingLoftusXII

llama_man wrote :

There's something on the net other than pr0n?

*shocked*



Where!!!!?????

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thanks i needed that.

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Reply to turpit

@V8VENOM (stupid name, btw)
Can we PLEASE keep all this idiotic fashion-conscious pro-apple sentiment OUT of this forum? If not, can Wingy keep his schlong IN you until you desist?

Seriously - piss OFF!

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Reply to mugz

ninja, to my knowledge, apple are not a manfucaturer, they design comps for OEM's to build. What is your point exactly, of course apple use ATI and nvidia's cards. whose else are they going to use? The thing is you can't go down to your local shop and buy one and expect it to work.

what is your point, please explain as i can't see it.

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Reply to strangestranger

mugz wrote :

Can we PLEASE keep all this idiotic fashion-conscious pro-apple sentiment OUT of this forum?



Apple roolz!!! Apple pie moonshine that is. Phucky*, ever try the stuff? A slice of heaven here on earth. One tip, get a ride to save you the trouble of trying to find your car.

*apologies for the stereotype. ;)

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Reply to KingLoftusXII

lulz, yea the white lightning is the ****, heh. ;)

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Reply to mrface

strangestranger wrote :

ninja, to my knowledge, apple are not a manfucaturer, they design comps for OEM's to build. What is your point exactly, of course apple use ATI and nvidia's cards. whose else are they going to use? The thing is you can't go down to your local shop and buy one and expect it to work.

 

what is your point, please explain as i can't see it.

 


A few years ago they were not using ATI. They made a big point that this was somehow a step to making Apple open to new hardware manufacturers.

Apple had their own little cadre of approved manufacturers that gave them the stuff that they put their label on and sold as "apple". For the most part, they never offered anything that was not branded as "Apple", regardless of who manufactured it. ATI was the first internal component "officially supported" by Apple.

So my only point was that Apple may not have the factories or manufacturing plants, but then again neither does Dell.

But I can get a stick of Kingston or Corsair ram to work in a Dell, but I, as far as I know, cannot do the same for Apple. Apple has their "approved" manufacturers, whose names are never really brought to the public eye, who they use and brand as their own.

So, technically, you are correct. They themselves do not manufacture their products, but they are not as OEM friendly as the PC's.....

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Reply to Ninjahedge

V8VENOM wrote :


Of course not a word of this picked up by blah blah blah, i <3 f*cking goats...blah blah blah.


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Reply to WingDing

You can use generic ram in Apple systems. It's just not an issue.

Reply to audiovoodoo

AV, then tell us all the generic products that you can use in an apple (categories).

I asked that way back in the beginning, not wanting to step on anyones toes, but all TS said was "what do you mean?"

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Reply to Ninjahedge

Ram and HDD are the main two. You just said above that you could not use generic Ram which may have been true in days of old but not with any of the modern systems. The Mac Mini brought home the Ram issue as many people realised Apple was ripping them off for the upgrade. I was simply correcting an inacurate statement. I do not own or use Apple systems but looked at the Mini for a while as it would have worked well for my uses.

Reply to audiovoodoo

the main bugger i would think would be the mobo. if i understand right, you need that special chip thing to verify everything ahs the correct bios and is made for apple or at the very least osx won'[t install if i am not mstaken, TMD chip i think it is called.

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