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I'm curious to know the percentage of "Intel experts" relative to the "AMD experts" on this forum. I'd only be guessing, but from the posts i've read in the past, and recently in the last week or so, by my count the vast majority here are "arm chair" "Intel experts". Is it true then, that as the majority of the WWW collabrotively seem to agree that, THG is and Intel slanted website?
This is not an unheard of analysis by a newcomer to these forums.
First, let me say that there are ample AMD experts on this board, as well as simple AMD “fans” such as myself. The simple fact is, there’s not a lot to talk "AMD" about at this time. Except hearsay. Sadly, one of the most pertinent questions in regards to that hearsay, is "is it real, or is it Hord-erex". Even near term releases such as 4x4 are leaving many of us scratching our heads due to lack of "reliable" information. We know its coming and it will be here soon, but we have little to no
hard factual data regarding it's cost, how it will perform, what quantities will be available, what hardware will be compatible, etc.
What you are seeing right now is a clear role reversal between AMD and Intel, not only in terms of performance, but also in PR and information dissemination. AMD is latching on to any advantage (perceived or actual) and promoting it while seemingly attempting to ridicule Intel at every opportunity. At the same time, AMD is being abnormally (as predicated on past experience) tight lipped with much of its information, leaving us to wonder if they are hiding something, either positive or adverse.
As for those of us who do admire AMD and its products, many of us (I certainly would not presume to speak for all) are embarrassed by the likes of Baron Matrix, Sharikou, 9 inch and Mad Mod Mike (aka MrsD/MrsBytch) These people do no credits to themselves or the company on whose behalf they strive so fiercely. In fact, one of my fears is that these individuals may be causing guilt/shame/ridicule/etc by simple association.
As to the accusation that THG is an Intel slanted site I offer this rebuttal:
Quite some time back (late 90s) I bought an AMD Tbird 1.4GHz CPU based on THG’s reviews and recommendations. From that time until July of this year, I have not bought or recommended a single Intel CPU based on…........THG recommendations. Only recently did I buy an Intel CPU. I bought it based on………….THG’s reviews and recommendations.
For a site that is supposedly promoting Intel, THG seems to have (in my experience) "lost" Intel a lot of business. IMO (again based on my experience) THG has a very solid history of promoting whichever product performed better, regardless of who manufactured it.
I would not expect you to take my word, so here is a quick smattering of THG articles that are Pro-AMD. I chose a range over a 2 year period to demonstrate that "THG-ProAMD" was not a momentary fad or freak occurrence.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/04/24/dual_core_intel_processors_for_low/page26.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/21/a_look_at_amds_socket_am2_platform/page13.html#conclusion
http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/25/the_athlon_64_fx_overclocked_to_3_ghz/
(This next one is not so much "pro AMD" as "Anti-Intel")
http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/05/25/dothan_over_netburst/
http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/10/19/amd/
http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/07/28/duron_successor/
(This one is neutral, stating if you want to do this>Intel, That>AMD)
http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/03/22/welcome_the_latecomer/page26.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/03/18/spring_speed_leap/page32.html
It’s actually quite funny. During the late 90s/early 2000’s I seem to remember accusations that THG was an Anti Intel - Pro AMD site. After quickly reviewing these old articles, I can’t help but lean more towards this accusation over than the one you referenced
To sum it up, you don’t see us talking a lot about future AMD products as there are not many solid facts to talk about. In reference to previous AMD's, well, the A64s and X2s were and are great CPUs but for the most part discussions of those products have been beaten to death. The "new" news right now is vastly Intel. Sadly, the "horde" is living in denial with regards to that fact. This is why you are not seeing the AMD experts (Again, I am not one of those, merely a fan) talking, but you are seeing the horde running its mouth.
Now, if this is the case, I will most likely be called out and ridiculed for this assumption. But as a rebuttal to what I fear will be coming, then why haven't I read any or your posts categorizing some very obvious "Intel experts" as such (I sincerely apologize if I am wrong, and I have missed them)?
No need to call out or ridicule you. Just spend some more time here and watch the discussions. You’ve already noticed one trend. It won’t take you long to notice other trends. Look specifically for trends regarding:
proof,or lack thereof
source reliability
logic—simple, progressive and flawed
partisan posting
If you watch these forums, you will see JJ, Joset, LCDR Data and many others enter polite debate acknowledging the weakness AND strengths of both AMD and Intel, as well as how they relate to each other. Not to mention all manner of …….well, never mind.
All you have to do is keep reading, with an open mind
BaronMatrix, in my opinion, your time is not worth the ridiculing you recieve on this particular forum (by a growing amount of members that seem to be feeding off each other). It seems that some members exist here only for this reason! I guess support forum has taken on an entirely different meaning.
Even if BM isn't correct at every turn (and i'm not saying he isn't), who the hell is? And who are these people that think they are, to jump at any opportunity to ridicule and bash him/her? Sure there may be a few experts in the field, but my guess is that they are far and few between. So, if BM posts in support of AMD and is constantly labeled as an "AMD fanboy", then i'd suggest that this entire website is the equivalent of an "Intel fanboy" (with the exception of a few).
No one is right all the time. This is not a problem at all, however, one of the things that sets Baron apart from many others is his inability to recognize when he's wrong, admit when he's wrong, or admit he doesn’t know.
Again, just spend some more time reading.
If you watch long enough, you will be able to recognize several categories of posts, that is, recurring styles which Baron makes. They have recurred frequently enough that I have my own little “pet” names for several of them. A few of these are:
“Tangential segue”
“Redefinably vague”
“Defensively counter accusatory”
For example, a typical Baron tactic, when confronted by irrefutable proof, is to attempt to “segue tangentially” by driving the argument at a different point in order to divert attention from his error. This is one of my favorites and occurs regularly enough. Watch for it.
Another to watch for is the “vague-redefinition”. Baron will make some statement which will lean very clearly in a specific direction, yet remain vague enough as to not constitute what one could call “prosecutable evidence”. He will argue his point until proven indisputably wrong, then he will simply say, “That’s not what I meant”, or “I meant what you said, your just to ingnorant to understand how I was saying it”.
The “defensively counter accusatory” tactic is simple, and recurs frequently. In many instances when proven wrong, he will simply state he is not wrong, and cast aspersions at the counter-data, or an individuals interpretation of the data set, or the individual themself.
And Jack, is it not fair to say that since you "have not read or heard of anything that would give Dell dibs on the energy efficient processors", and obviously can provide no proof of this (since by your own words, there isn't any), that that in itself is contrary to what you ask BS to provide at almost every opportunity? Exactly how is this different from what you advocate constanly?
You are quite correct, however, neither has Baron provided proof that Dell has, thus leaving his statement completely unsupported and open to debate. This is trademark Baron: Provide an excuse for an occurance without providing proof.
Someone once suggested the mods create a sticky to warn of Baron. I never really agreed with the thought, as it seemed a bit too personally humiliating. Sadly, I think I now agree. I posted this close to half a dozen times now and I am sure everyone is as sick of reading it as I am writing it: Baron is like the boy who cried wolf. At times he provides valid argument and quality factual information, however, he has cried wolf so many times, that this info often goes overlooked.
IMO Baron is an intelligent individual, intellectually capable of debating in an adult and informative manner. There are those who would argue (intelligently and convincingly) otherwise. While I believe Baron is capable of providing valuable content, I also believe he
chooses not to do so, and I suspect this is due to emotional rather than intellectual factors. Instead, he chooses to make definitive statements based on his opinions. I won’t go into why I think this is, as it has been posted before.
Instead, I offer you this advice: When you see a thread progressing peacefully in which BM is posting, watch for the words “I think”, or “IMO” in his posts. Ex, “I think 4x4 will outperform Kentfield”
When you see a deteriorating thread, look for flat statements. Ex “4x4 will out perform Kentfield” Look for the words “they” or “it is said” Also look for the words “link” or “proof” from those engaging Baron
Remember where the internet came from. EDU and GOV. The governments original intent in opening the internet to the public was to allow them access to the informational content held therein. It was not to have the internet become an advertising whore-house, or electronic version of The National Enquirer. That it has become these things is the result of the influence of individuals such as Baron Matrix. I know there are others besides my self who are sick of the BS and want it to stop. I lack the knowledge to debate here usefully, or post informatively, but when I see BS filled posts, you will see my avatar start popping up frequently in response. So yes, there are many of us who will post "flamingly" in response to Baron when he is posting irresponsibly
You are not the first person to defend Baron. You will not be the last. But, I think I can be fairly certain, (by the logic you demonstrated in your post) that as you log more time at THG Forums, you like most others will come to realize that BaronMatrix is full of BS
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