Hi folks, sorry for asking a question which I am sure has been asked in one shape or form hundreds of times on here:
I currently have a P4 3.0GHZ, 1MB Ram system with a Nvidea FX5200 (8xAGP) 128mb graphics card.
I am not a hard core gamer, but do like to play from time to time, and have noticed recently that games like Oblivion and Company of Heroes run painfully slowly on my system.
As I understand it the Nvidea FX5200 is a poor card for gaming, so would like to upgrade to a better graphics card - but on a budget (obviously). The most I would like to pay is £100 (British Pounds).
Having had a look around, I have picked out a few options:
- ATI Radeon 9250 256MB for about £38
- ATI Radeon 9800XT 256MB 128bit for £83
- ATI Radeon 9800XT 256MB 256bit for £105
- Sapphire ATI Radeon X1600 512MB 128bit for £106
I suppose my question main question is - what is the difference between the 9250 and the 9800XTs? They both have the same memory - is there much of a difference in performance?
I am not looking for a cutting edge gaming system, but would like one that plays games smoothly and without slowing down.
I could stretch to £106, but obviously do not want to pay £70 more if the 9250 will do a satisfactory job. But I don't want to spend £38 and then find that actually I have brought a card that does not offer a significant improvement on my existing card.
If you were chosing - which of the above options would you go for?
Hah all those cards are worthless. They wont help you in anything but unnecessarily heating up your case. Oblivion is an intense game and will send those cards to oblivion, just trying to get up to 30fps. .. . .. lol
But if I were you then get the X1600pro at the BARE MINIMUM. All those other cards will just frustrate you. The thing that sux is that you have agp, nut if you had pci-e then you could get the same cards for about 75% less on average.
The 1600pro should give you good results. And a fairly smooth fps environment.
The R9250 is a slow DX8 card, forget it. Also forget the crippled 128-bit 9800XT as it's not a real 9800XT but rather more like a high clocked 9800 pro.
Which X1600 is it a PRO or a XT? The X1600XT would be faster than the real 256-bit 9800XT, while the X1600 pro would be equal or a bit behind. The X1600's have the advantage in feature set so even if it's a pro, I'd go for the X1600 as it's very close on performance with a win on features.
Either the 9800XT or the X1600 pro is a tremendous leap over a FX5200.
Has some recommendations. However, I would advise you to hold off for a few weeks till the X1950 and X1650 AGP versions reach the retail channels. A few manufactureres like Power color have already announced AGP versions of these cards.
Wow I just did some research on Agp 8X prices and it never realized that Agp8x port is frikin expensive!
They're selling X1600 cards for over $160 :!:
You see the thing that perplexes me is that, Graphic cards that currently utilize agp8x keep up with their Pci-e counterparts in game benchmarks. The cause being, that cards never reached the max bandwidth of the agp 8x slot. So why did manufacturers Switch to Pci-e?
Thank you all for your tips - good point Zahid - I am beginning to realise that I can spend the sky - which considering I am not a hard core gamer is excessive.
You are right that my Motherboard is AGP8x only.
In your opinion, following on from your recommendation of the ATI X1600PRO 256 mb, is it worth spending an extra 30 quid to get the 512mb version - is it going to give me that much more in terms of smoothness. I have budgeted up to £100 to improve my pc, so might stretch to one of your more pricey options.
In your opinion, following on from your recommendation of the ATI X1600PRO 256 mb, is it worth spending an extra 30 quid to get the 512mb version - is it going to give me that much more in terms of smoothness.
Absolutely not. If you put the settings high enough to actually use that much memory, it's going to be beyond the capabilities of an x1600 Pro anyway. You should consider stretching your budget just a bit more and getting something along the lines of a 7600gt or an x800xl, both of which destroy the x1600 Pro for often comparable prices. It might take some searching to find something at your price, however, and I don't know anything about prices in the UK. I saw a used x800xl on eBay the other day for $75...I think it even had an Arctic cooler. The x800gto is pretty solid too, you'd notice a giant upgrade. I upgraded from a 5500 to an x800xl and the difference was INSANE. 8O I would absolutely not drop that kind of cash on a Radeon 9xxx series card- they used to be a value, but now they're mostly a rip.
Well, Bcfaigg , the thing about PC upgrading is like this:
Spending on a PC never returns a profit when you eventually sell it. e.g. I bought a 128 MB FX 5200 for my shit DELL PCI slots only PC for £50. Sold this year for £30. And bought a 128 MB 6200 for £45
Loss = £ 65 8O
Anyway, back to your Graphics card....
Don't go for a X800XL. Just cause it's XL doesn't mean it can beat a X1600 PRO. [ X800 > X850 > X1300 > X1600 ]
Here's the price of some 512 MB AGP 8X GFX Cards
That's all I could find.
Next question, you want to ask me is should I choose the X1600 or the 7600? Hmm... these two cards roughly perform the same. Many of the guys who posted ( OEM-NIB-OBO, Pauldh , fullerms ) and me recommend the X1600 PRO.
But, A review by LEGION HARDWARE recommends 7600 GS. They pitted the X1650 PRO vs 7600GS and 7600GS peformed better in 3 out of 5 games. ( X1650 PRO = Slightly overclocked X1600XT)
A very tough choice. :?
The RAM and Clock speed for X1600 is 10 MHz slower.
But, the cooling provided by Sapphire is going to be more silent than the 7600 ones above. You don't want to spend HUGE amount on a gfx card and then find out that it sounds like a jet!
And the verdict is....
X1600 PRO WINS! AT EXTRA £18 i.e. £93 , GO FOR THE X1600PRO 512 MB one!
Hi folks, once again thanks to all who have taken the time to respond to my initial query - it is quite astounding how much variety there is out there.
I guess ultimately, from what I have read on here, that both the X800XL and the X1600PRO are decent cards for their price range, and will meet my purpose, however has zahid says, the X800XL doesn't seem to be readily available in the UK, so I will probably end up going for the X1600PRO in the next day or so.