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November 4, 2006 11:24:21 AM

The Inq's Charlie "Bunny Suit" Demerjian has supposedly gotten pics of an AMD run 4x4 system. According to him the system ran relatively cool while performing the usual two games and HD at 100% load.










It looks like this will be out in the next few weeks. Based on the timing of the latest announcements, I'd say the day after C2Q.

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November 4, 2006 11:58:38 AM

I'm not surprised it ran cool with that fan!

The performance of 4 cores isn't in doubt here, but this is still nice to see (if it's real, although I'm not sure how they could really fake that).

I still think it's going to be a lemon though, the price is just so high.

It's interesting that they tried out mega-multitasking, rather than one game on it's own, though; I thought 4x4 was supposed to be for gaming, in which case why not just do what normal people do and run one game at a time?
November 4, 2006 12:17:07 PM

Kentsfield > 4x4
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November 4, 2006 12:41:42 PM

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It's interesting that they tried out mega-multitasking, rather than one game on it's own, though; I thought 4x4 was supposed to be for gaming, in which case why not just do what normal people do and run one game at a time?


yeah my computer might be able to play 2 games at a time
but i cant. :lol: 

well unless i had 2 keyboards,2 mouse,4 arms and quadcore eyes.LOL!
November 4, 2006 12:45:35 PM

So basically what we're looking at is a system that only teh_masterer from PP can use?
November 4, 2006 1:05:22 PM

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I'm not surprised it ran cool with that fan!

The performance of 4 cores isn't in doubt here, but this is still nice to see (if it's real, although I'm not sure how they could really fake that).

I still think it's going to be a lemon though, the price is just so high.

It's interesting that they tried out mega-multitasking, rather than one game on it's own, though; I thought 4x4 was supposed to be for gaming, in which case why not just do what normal people do and run one game at a time?



AMD described at least one scenarion where you had two instances or WOW running with two different characters.

They also said it WASN'T FOR GAMERS, but "MEGATASKERS" like me. It's interesting how the comparison is made with C2Q. It is just not needed but 4x4 is too hot, too expensive, too this, too that.

That shows bias.

Here's a link to the second demo.

Linkage!

By keeping the pairs at less than $1000 (FX70) which they have said will happen and judging on the price of 5200+ which is almost exactly an FX70 ($399 OEM @ Newegg) they will be around $8-900.

Since Asus is the first manuf and they have a dual socket nForce 2200 (K8N-DL) for $150 @ Monarch, this can be the entry level wksta for a lot of content creators or engrs (3DS Max 8O ).

Here is a quote from Charlie and the link to the story

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The 4x4 box seems to be built to push that heat out without melting the screws holding the mobo down, so that is a plus. The case fan on the cover was loafing along at a low speed as well - there was no wind tunnel effect here. The most important thing was the fan on the PSU, it was blowing warm, but just warm. The whole system was quiet, the fans were not on overdrive, and you could not roast marshmallows on the exhaust.

It looks to me like for any decently made 4x4 box, heat in the case won't be a big problem. The bigger question of 'is it for you, or do you want a Kentsfield?' is still up in the air. Stay tuned for that, that is by no means decided.


Linkage!


Since that didn't seem to be an ALienWare system, there will more than likely be models from Monarch, ABS and the rest.

Tom's is reporting that AMD has stockpiled a bunch of these and maybe a reason why this supposed shortage of AM2 is happening. It would be easier to update the AM2s to 1207 than to take Opteron stock and remove the need for Registered RAM.

Again, by having a large supply of FX70 WITH mobos, this will be a boon for high end holiday purchases. I mean realistically, FX70 could come in at $500 less than the same C2Q system.

We'll see though.


I will still be buying it for my next upgrade. I will more than likely wait though until 8800 is less than $400.
November 4, 2006 1:11:08 PM

The FX is marketed specifically toward gamers though, is it not?

Workstation users would be running a dual Opteron setup...it seems that 4x4 doesn't really have a place.

And c'mon - 4x4 not marketed at gamers...so those FOUR GRAPHICS CHIPS are just for show??
November 4, 2006 1:35:23 PM

To be fair 4x4 looks to be double the heat and power output of C2Q.

C2Q is a 120W TDP, 4x4 is 125W per CPU (two thereof).

Still 4x4 is basically the same thing as C2Q, as C2Q is teo C2Ds linked over the FSB, and 4x4 is two Opterons linked by HT.
November 4, 2006 1:37:06 PM

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The FX is marketed specifically toward gamers though, is it not?

Workstation users would be running a dual Opteron setup...it seems that 4x4 doesn't really have a place.

And c'mon - 4x4 not marketed at gamers...so those FOUR GRAPHICS CHIPS are just for show??


Enthusiasts and megataskers do play games, and this is a way to IMMEDIATELY GET 60-80% increase in multithreaded environments, but depending upon the necessity I would recommend this over Opteron.

For a small engr shop that does CFD or modeling I would say go for it, but for something like LucasArts, I would recommend Opteron.

For a small business that needs a less expensive Exchange\Web server, I would recommend 4x4, but for a midsized company's mission critical servers I would recommend Opteron.

For a home based business that needs horsepower and shares a role as a gaming machine, I would recommend 4x4.


Just because it has 4 slot doesn't mean it comes with 4 GPUs. There is no driver that works with 4 GPUs yet anyway (7950GX2 only uses 2 slots). nVidia is working on one and it should land for Vista.

I have an SLI board and only one GPU. My 4x4 setup will only have on DX10 card. I hope this initiative also pushes NICs and sound cards to PCIe as 4 slots are already taken by PCIe.

Anyway, in this case the gaming scores won't go down as they seem to with C2Q.





Check out Tom's review from Thurs. It may even gain as adding chips increases bandwidth with AMD.


This shows that AMD is not far behind with FX62 in multithreaded environments and the added bandwidth may allow for MORE than twice the difference in certain situations.

I wouldn't be surprised if the high end switched to two sockets because of 4x4. Especially since you are GUARANTEED octal in 07. By the time 08 gets here, the prices for 8 cores should be the same as highend dual core now.


4x4. A great idea whose time has come. Almost.
November 4, 2006 1:49:29 PM

4x4 as a concept is 4 CPU cores and 4 GPU cores, therefore yeah, you do need two dual core (7950GX2-type) cards.

As far as 'for this I'd reccommend 4x4 but for that I'd reccommend Opteron'...as far as I can tell there isn't any reason for any of them to use 4x4 over Opteron in those situations you described. Why would an Exchange server need a Quad-Xf/SLi-type graphics setup?

I'm sorry but I still see no reason for even considering 4x4. If you want to game lots, you can still use Quad-GPU on other boards and save a lot of money on otherwise useless CPU cores. If you really do want quad core as well, then why not get a Clovertown or Kentsfield, for cheaper, less power consumption and cooler running?
November 4, 2006 2:29:26 PM

Worthless photos. If they were gonna show photos they could have done us the courtesy of taking the side off of the case. As it is these only insult anyone with half a brain and mild intelligence...

And no - the task manager shot proves nothing as there's no close up of a either the PC's info tab on the machine properties or CPUz info...

So worthless....

I'm not a fanboy of any one company, I go where the best performance for my hard earned $$$ is, my last rig was an AMD, my new ones Intel. That being said AMD's got a long row to hoe, and my prediction for 4x4 is the same as my prediction for Sony's PS3....failure. They should be focusing their effort elsewhere...
November 4, 2006 2:44:29 PM

When I compare 4x4 and Kentsfield

I imagine Kentsfield as the highly designed Ferrari or the Porshe or any kick-ass branded cars with perfect precison while 4x4 is like a Mitsubishi Lancer modified with all those blings and those really noisy motor engines like the ones in the "fast and the furious"..

Yup its ugly to hear that 4x4 might cost you way more in electricity and might burn every hardware that you bought due to heat. But if it comes out pretty impressive than the C2Q counterpart then it is definetly worth taking it since it is the high-end level we are talking about.. people usually dont care for their electric bills when they want even the slightest advantage in their PC on this level of costumers.

Well if I were rich and if its possible to put jet fuel on my Mitsubishi then why not? The same as if I can modify my ferrari withour hurting its class and value then it would be much better :) 
November 4, 2006 2:51:32 PM

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4x4 as a concept is 4 CPU cores and 4 GPU cores, therefore yeah, you do need two dual core (7950GX2-type) cards.

As far as 'for this I'd reccommend 4x4 but for that I'd reccommend Opteron'...as far as I can tell there isn't any reason for any of them to use 4x4 over Opteron in those situations you described. Why would an Exchange server need a Quad-Xf/SLi-type graphics setup?

I'm sorry but I still see no reason for even considering 4x4. If you want to game lots, you can still use Quad-GPU on other boards and save a lot of money on otherwise useless CPU cores. If you really do want quad core as well, then why not get a Clovertown or Kentsfield, for cheaper, less power consumption and cooler running?



I want it for the CPUs NOT the GPUs. I could care less if they came with 1 PCIe x16. My 4400+ w/7800GT plays Q4/D3 NFS/NAscar, etc. so ONE midrange G80 will be fine for me and use less power, though it will be worth the couple extra bucks for electricity.


I can buy what I want and I want 4x4, thank you.
November 4, 2006 2:58:55 PM

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I can buy what I want and I want 4x4, thank you.


C'mon, you've got to be sh1tting me here BM - please give me a reason that you would choose a 2P Athlon FX platform over a cheaper, cooler, less power hungry and better performing Clovertown or Kentsfield setup?
November 4, 2006 3:04:54 PM

We don't know if 4x4 will perform better than Kentsfield or not.
November 4, 2006 3:07:09 PM

With all these promises of 4x4 and stuff.. I really wonder why tomshardware doesn't have a benchmark test of this platform.. They made a demo on Kentsfield a few months back.Why not also try with 4x4?

I thought they were already out for production release sometime this month
November 4, 2006 3:11:52 PM

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We don't know if 4x4 will perform better than Kentsfield or not.


Point taken...okay then BM, let's remove that one for the sake of argument.

Would you rather get 4x4 or a much cheaper, cooler and more efficient system that may or may not perform better?

This isn't counting 2P Woodcrest systems either; not even the Mac Pro is the $4k Charlie D is quoting for a 4x4 system.
November 4, 2006 3:14:20 PM

That's an interesting idea that I never really thought about. You could have 2 characters in Wow running at the same time which would be interesting for some things with online games and I could probably run Eve online as well with this thing :)  all at the same time. I know what you mean when you say that this is for mega multitasking. I like to do as much as my computer (and actually way more since my computer sux right now) as is possible. (I'm way to ADA to not multitask since I control it with no drugs)
I just cant wait until I can afford to by something like this (another year or 2 I guess)

We will have to see how the benchies come out on this thing :) !


(good post by the way :p )
November 4, 2006 3:15:36 PM

Proxy cheating made easy....
November 4, 2006 3:16:23 PM

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Worthless photos. If they were gonna show photos they could have done us the courtesy of taking the side off of the case. As it is these only insult anyone with half a brain and mild intelligence...

And no - the task manager shot proves nothing as there's no close up of a either the PC's info tab on the machine properties or CPUz info...

So worthless....

I'm not a fanboy of any one company, I go where the best performance for my hard earned $$$ is, my last rig was an AMD, my new ones Intel. That being said AMD's got a long row to hoe, and my prediction for 4x4 is the same as my prediction for Sony's PS3....failure. They should be focusing their effort elsewhere...




Here is a pic I posted a while back.



One poster posted the rating of the high end 2xxx/8xxx as 119W and AMD is still growing share with Socket F so this will be like 2x Opteron but more available GPU slots and better tweakability. SInce I may use 100% CPU (one core much less two or four) only for 1 or 2 hours per day, I can set CnQ and have a nice cool idle temp.

Anand reported that FX at 3.0GHz was using 140W @ 100%. I psted the link earlier in another post. I want the 2.6GHz model (FX70) so I'll use maybe 10-20W less.

EIther way it's my electric bill so I'll take my chances.
November 4, 2006 3:22:43 PM

Quick question or so, will the user have the ability to shut off a processor when its been idle for an extended period of time or when the user sees fit? Or will this be a part of the Cool 'n Quiet?
November 4, 2006 3:25:51 PM

BaronMatrix=AMD Fluffer
Congrats, I think AMD Fluffer would be a good user title for you... :wink:
November 4, 2006 3:26:29 PM

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I can buy what I want and I want 4x4, thank you.


C'mon, you've got to be sh1tting me here BM - please give me a reason that you would choose a 2P Athlon FX platform over a cheaper, cooler, less power hungry and better performing Clovertown or Kentsfield setup?
I can actually understand his decision. Why do people buy a Harley Davidson if they could go twice as fast with a Suzuki?
November 4, 2006 3:28:39 PM

That's stupid. On a bike some people like to risk their lives whereas others like to cruise.

I very much doubt anyone buys a computer because it works at a nice relaxed pace for them to work at.
November 4, 2006 3:32:14 PM

Hi.
Can someone tell me why I should care about the 4x4 ?
How is this any different or better than a 2 socket Mobo with 2 C2Ds ?
I brain fails to understand.
November 4, 2006 3:34:01 PM

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I can buy what I want and I want 4x4, thank you.


C'mon, you've got to be sh1tting me here BM - please give me a reason that you would choose a 2P Athlon FX platform over a cheaper, cooler, less power hungry and better performing Clovertown or Kentsfield setup?

For the same reason that lots of folks had super cooled space heating PDs while AMD was the faster, cooler solution.

It's my money. 8 Barcelona cores next year is worth the money now.
November 4, 2006 3:36:34 PM

C'mon, give me a straight up answer, not a 'for the same reason as' or a prediction for the future.

If I give you the hypothesis that Kentsfield on it's own outperforms a 4x4 platform, what reason would you give me for still buying 4x4?
November 4, 2006 3:37:36 PM

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That's stupid. On a bike some people like to risk their lives whereas others like to cruise.

I very much doubt anyone buys a computer because it works at a nice relaxed pace for them to work at.


You misunderstood what i was trying to point out, but that´s my mistake since my example wasn´t quite up to the task.

4x4 has its benefits compared to c2q. Look at the upgrade path. I highly doubt intel will introduce octo-core processors on Socket 775. Then there are plenty of high bandwidth PCIe slots - more than on any other board out there. The upgrade path of that alone is interesting. If you tell me to get a Intel serverboard instead, well, take a look at the prices, the form factors, the memory requirements etc. It´s not really the same.
In addition you have to see this from an enthusiasts point of view. If you just want four cores, a single gpu and one or two HDDS then you´re ill advised with 4x4.
4x4 is THE enthusiast platform. That´s what it was made for.
November 4, 2006 3:37:44 PM

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I can buy what I want and I want 4x4, thank you.


C'mon, you've got to be sh1tting me here BM - please give me a reason that you would choose a 2P Athlon FX platform over a cheaper, cooler, less power hungry and better performing Clovertown or Kentsfield setup?
I can actually understand his decision. Why do people buy a Harley Davidson if they could go twice as fast with a Suzuki?

That is completly wrong here when talking about Harley vs Suzuki. There are alot more reasons that just being a Harley fan to buy a Harley. Such as confort and looks and feel. Speed is one of the few things that Harley lovers care about. You ever when across country on a Suzuki or even heard of it being done? Now going across country with a harley does sux however it would be better then the Suzuki.

Now I understand why BM wants the 4x4 nomatter what. He is loyal to AMD and he thinks it will be better. As for if it will be better I will wait for the benchies but I won't be able to even consider buying a Quad core for another year or to :p .

So all your rich boys and girls out there :p 
November 4, 2006 3:38:55 PM

Simple. Because he likes AMD. Nuff said. Lets move on.
November 4, 2006 3:39:16 PM

So noone else at all sees anything wrong with a $1000 PER CPU cost?
November 4, 2006 3:39:45 PM

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Worthless photos. If they were gonna show photos they could have done us the courtesy of taking the side off of the case. As it is these only insult anyone with half a brain and mild intelligence...

And no - the task manager shot proves nothing as there's no close up of a either the PC's info tab on the machine properties or CPUz info...

So worthless....

I'm not a fanboy of any one company, I go where the best performance for my hard earned $$$ is, my last rig was an AMD, my new ones Intel. That being said AMD's got a long row to hoe, and my prediction for 4x4 is the same as my prediction for Sony's PS3....failure. They should be focusing their effort elsewhere...




Here is a pic I posted a while back.



One poster posted the rating of the high end 2xxx/8xxx as 119W and AMD is still growing share with Socket F so this will be like 2x Opteron but more available GPU slots and better tweakability. SInce I may use 100% CPU (one core much less two or four) only for 1 or 2 hours per day, I can set CnQ and have a nice cool idle temp.

Anand reported that FX at 3.0GHz was using 140W @ 100%. I psted the link earlier in another post. I want the 2.6GHz model (FX70) so I'll use maybe 10-20W less.

EIther way it's my electric bill so I'll take my chances.

What does that photo have to do with the ones the Inq put up? Nothing. I'm merely pointing out that they should have cracked that case open and let us see the whats behind that fan. If it really is a 4x4 then they should have done it straight away - this is why I never bother with that site....
November 4, 2006 3:40:55 PM

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That is completly wrong here when talking about Harley vs Suzuki. There are alot more reasons that just being a Harley fan to buy a Harley. Such as confort and looks and feel. Speed is one of the few things that Harley lovers care about. You ever when across country on a Suzuki or even heard of it being done? Now going across country with a harley does sux however it would be better then the Suzuki.


It´s not a perfect example, i already said that. Yet you fail to look at it properly because you obviously don´t want to. I can´t help you with that, sorry.
November 4, 2006 3:42:27 PM

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That's stupid. On a bike some people like to risk their lives whereas others like to cruise.

I very much doubt anyone buys a computer because it works at a nice relaxed pace for them to work at.


You misunderstood what i was trying to point out, but that´s my mistake since my example wasn´t quite up to the task.

4x4 has its benefits compared to c2q. Look at the upgrade path. I highly doubt intel will introduce octo-core processors on Socket 775. Then there are plenty of high bandwidth PCIe slots - more than on any other board out there. The upgrade path of that alone is interesting. If you tell me to get a Intel serverboard instead, well, take a look at the prices, the form factors, the memory requirements etc. It´s not really the same.
In addition you have to see this from an enthusiasts point of view. If you just want four cores, a single gpu and one or two HDDS then you´re ill advised with 4x4.
4x4 is THE enthusiast platform. That´s what it was made for.

All that you say here does make allot more sense the your motorcycle analogy :p 

Oh and what I typed up with my last post was being writen while the othere post happen so I didn't get to see all that.

Sorry if I offended you but you didn't make any sense
November 4, 2006 3:43:52 PM

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So noone else at all sees anything wrong with a $1000 PER CPU cost?


Nope. If they want to charge 1000$ for it, let them. Only a select few will buy it. Support of that platform will not be worth it if the user base is too small and the whole 4x4 will die. I´m curious to see what will happen. Right now i believe prices will drop to appease a greater user base. If that happens 4x4 could turn into a prototype of a future amd platform that will stay for an extended period. But that´s speculation.
November 4, 2006 3:45:47 PM

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With all these promises of 4x4 and stuff.. I really wonder why tomshardware doesn't have a benchmark test of this platform.. They made a demo on Kentsfield a few months back.Why not also try with 4x4?

I thought they were already out for production release sometime this month



We already know what it will do. It should at least 2x in multithreading. The link I posted quoted a content company as saying they got ~100% by adding the two cores.

Upgrading from my 4400+ to this will be like night and day. AND I get to support the company I want to support. I will probably only buy Hyundai monitors and Corsair RAM, what's the difference? SOme OCZ is better than Corsair and some Viewsonics are "better" than Hyundai, but it's my money.

I don't want bragging rights. I just want what will probably amount to 150% increase in VM usage and VS 2005.
November 4, 2006 3:46:44 PM

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So noone else at all sees anything wrong with a $1000 PER CPU cost?


The prices ARE NOT per CPU, they are for the pair.
November 4, 2006 3:48:56 PM

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What does that photo have to do with the ones the Inq put up? Nothing. I'm merely pointing out that they should have cracked that case open and let us see the whats behind that fan. If it really is a 4x4 then they should have done it straight away - this is why I never bother with that site....


If you read the article then you will see that pic I posted is of the mobo in that system. DO you think AMD is pulling a fast one? How would that come off?
November 4, 2006 3:49:56 PM

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So noone else at all sees anything wrong with a $1000 PER CPU cost?


The prices ARE NOT per CPU, they are for the pair.

I was always wondering if that was the case. For two FX thats not that bad still way out of my price range :p 
November 4, 2006 3:52:01 PM

So let me get this straight, AMD is selling 2 brand new FX chips at basically $500 each? I know they come in pairs but look at the actual cost of a FX 62 now and the proposed price of a 4x4 chip package. This is kinda disturbing.
November 4, 2006 3:53:33 PM

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So let me get this straight, AMD is selling 2 brand new FX chips at basically $500 each? I know they come in pairs but look at the actual cost of a FX 62 now and the proposed price of a 4x4 chip package. This is kinda disturbing.


Is this going to be the same for the C2Q?
November 4, 2006 3:54:12 PM

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All that you say here does make allot more sense the your motorcycle analogy :p 

Oh and what I typed up with my last post was being writen while the othere post happen so I didn't get to see all that.

Sorry if I offended you but you didn't make any sense


Nah, it´s cool. I get a little pissed if people refuse to even try to understand what i´m saying - it´s always easy to pick something apart. There is no point in discussing with someone that doesn´t want to see your side of the argument and just wants to preach his side. Since you got my point, i obviously judged you too fast, so i should be the one to apologize. :wink:
November 4, 2006 3:56:39 PM

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One frequent criticism of the whole 4x4 concept is power use and heat. Power use is a concern, but will that really be a problem for the buyer of a $1000+ CPU with two $600 GPUs and high end parts to go with it? A $4,000 plus PC is not something that people worried about $5 more in electricity a month end up buying.



That's what it said in that Inq article. That's a little ambiguous - 'A' $1000 CPU?

Either you're right and it's a $1000 pair (still too pricey IMO) or the Inq loses some more of it's good writing stars.
November 4, 2006 3:58:18 PM

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So let me get this straight, AMD is selling 2 brand new FX chips at basically $500 each? I know they come in pairs but look at the actual cost of a FX 62 now and the proposed price of a 4x4 chip package. This is kinda disturbing.


Is this going to be the same for the C2Q?
Not the same. QX6700 is going for around $1099 right now, (I debating whether to buy one) but putting 2 chips on one die isn't the same concept as selling two separate processors, each with its own die and IMC for around the same price. They'll be losing money.
November 4, 2006 3:59:13 PM

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All that you say here does make allot more sense the your motorcycle analogy :p 

Oh and what I typed up with my last post was being writen while the othere post happen so I didn't get to see all that.

Sorry if I offended you but you didn't make any sense


Nah, it´s cool. I get a little pissed if people refuse to even try to understand what i´m saying - it´s always easy to pick something apart. There is no point in discussing with someone that doesn´t want to see your side of the argument and just wants to preach his side. Since you got my point, i obviously judged you too fast, so i should be the one to apologize. :wink:

Well then I exept you apology sorry Im a bit of a Harley fan coming form a family of bikers and the such :p 

Just like the C2Q and 4x4 I wish I had the money for a good Harley right now :p 
November 4, 2006 3:59:35 PM

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So let me get this straight, AMD is selling 2 brand new FX chips at basically $500 each? I know they come in pairs but look at the actual cost of a FX 62 now and the proposed price of a 4x4 chip package. This is kinda disturbing.
There a still shops selling Pentiumd D 840 EEs for 999$.

In the end the consumers dictate the price. Even if AMD sold the FX chips for 100$ each, i doubt you´d get one of them for under 500$, since they can only supply a very small amount of them. It´s all supply and demand.
November 4, 2006 4:01:49 PM

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So let me get this straight, AMD is selling 2 brand new FX chips at basically $500 each? I know they come in pairs but look at the actual cost of a FX 62 now and the proposed price of a 4x4 chip package. This is kinda disturbing.


Is this going to be the same for the C2Q?
Not the same. QX6700 is going for around $1099 right now, (I debating whether to buy one) but putting 2 chips on one die isn't the same concept as selling two separate processors, each with its own die and IMC for around the same price. They'll be losing money.

Duh! Dang I forgot that the C2Q was one chip :p  lol. Anyway so if the 4x4 is only 1k for both could I buy both and make two FX computers?
November 4, 2006 4:02:48 PM

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Well then I exept you apology sorry Im a bit of a Harley fan coming form a family of bikers and the such :p 

Just like the C2Q and 4x4 I wish I had the money for a good Harley right now :p 



:lol: 

I had a feeling that i would cath flak for my example. My father has a chopper too and examples like the one i made drive him nuts.

And i can´t afford a 4x4 neither. And i doubt i would even if i could. I usually buy looking striktly at the performance to money ratio. Okay, with a few exceptions here and there - like my Pentium D 820. :lol: 
November 4, 2006 4:03:43 PM

What I meant is that at $500 each for a brand new processor that is a new manufacturing process, and is also a new socket processor, AMD has to be making up the money somewhere in order to sell 4x4 that cheap.
November 4, 2006 4:04:51 PM

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C'mon, give me a straight up answer, not a 'for the same reason as' or a prediction for the future.

If I give you the hypothesis that Kentsfield on it's own outperforms a 4x4 platform, what reason would you give me for still buying 4x4?



I already told you. I don't care. I will buy what I want and the jury is still out because the ExTech article I referenced shows that there are only a few places where 4x4 won't catch up. Games are slower than Core 2 in EVERY CASE. Even OCing to 3.55 gives you little increase over X6800.

X6800 will bite the dust in most areas of multithreading for a similar chip price.

AGAIN, IT'S MY MONEY AND I WANT TWO SOCKETS.

PERIOD!
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