Disappointed on Intel

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Recently I have purchased a classic Intel motherboard (DG965RY) with Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 CPU. I’m working on a very CPU intensive task, which runs about 3 days continuously. I was very surprised when the loaded processor dropped 35% of its clock speed. CPU-Z and Intel Thermal Analysis Tool showed only 1.560GHz (sometimes 970 MHz) instead of 2.4GHz. (The CPU reached the 2.4GHz then only the OS was working.) Using Tom’s Hardware’s Relative Performance Index (http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/11/04/processor-performance-110306-data.jpg) this speed around the speed of AMD Athlon X2 64 3800+.

I need help to decide what to do. I see 3 solutions:
1. Buy an Asus P5B Deluxe motherboard. It may not bring down the speed of E6600.
2. Buy better CPU cooler. (I have the original CPU fan, but have 5 case fans.)
3. Buy an AMD Athlon X2 64 5000+ CPU. It may not lose CPU speed.

I have tested the CPU speed using CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php) and Thermal Analysis Tool (http://shintai.ambition.cz/files/tat.exe).
I have loaded the CPU with running the following simple C# code in two DOS windows (for two cores):
using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Text;
namespace ConsoleApplication1 {
class Program {
static long testsize = 10000;
static double[] AB = new double[testsize*100];
static double[] AS = new double[testsize];
static void Main(string[] args) {
double Dtmp = 0.0, Dsum = 0.0;
DateTime Start, Stop;
Random rand = new Random();
for (long i = 0; i < testsize; i++) {
Dtmp = rand.NextDouble();
if (Dtmp < 0.5) Dtmp += 0.5;
AS = Dtmp;
}
for (long i = 0; i < testsize*100; i++) {
Dtmp = rand.NextDouble();
if (rand.NextDouble() < 0.5) Dtmp *= -1;
AB = Dtmp;
}
Start = DateTime.Now;
for (long j = 0; j < testsize; j++) {
Dtmp = 0.0;
for (long i = 0; i < testsize * 100; i++) {
Dtmp += (AS[j] * AB + AS[testsize - 1 - j]);
}
Dsum += Dtmp / (testsize * 100.0);
}
Stop = DateTime.Now;
Dtmp = (double)(Stop.Ticks - Start.Ticks) / 10000000.0;
Console.WriteLine(Dtmp + " " + Dsum);
Console.ReadKey();
}
}
}
 

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Disable that speedStep or whatever the hell that crap is in Bios that throtles down your CPU. How is your CPU temp? maybe the heatsink is not dead on so it overheats? and speed is going down?
 

Grimmy

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Sounds like speedstep, or C1E feature?

The AM2 5000+ would have the simliar feature, cool-n-quiet.

So, you would need to put a load on the CPU to get it at its stock max speed, or disable the feature.
 

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woah hold on, slow down. ok before your start buying parts (and possibly wasting money). stop and think, first i need to know a couple things, what are your temps, what is your system build (IE ram, motherboard hdd and such). this will help a bit.

alright, now the first things that come to mind about what could be causing this are

* your processor is overheating and is throttling itself to prevent burning to a crisp, as such post your temps for idle (just the desktop) and on load (running your program, a game or other programs like PC mark, but try to get 100% CPU utilization)

* your system build is very unbalanced, IE something in your system is running much slower and is holding other parts back- not enough ram, slow hard drive or such.

* your system has determined that your program doesn't need that much power and is throttling itself automatically. this can be disabled in the BIOS. both AMD and intel systems do this.

thats it, again post your temps and system build, and don't go buying parts yet, this is probably just an overseen problem.
 

pivi97

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Unfortunately this Intel motherboard BIOS doesn't allow to change the speedstep. I had no problem changing speedstep on my older Asus motherboard.
 

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My system is balanced. I spent a week to build it. I tried to get the best for less. I have loaded it on purpose, but expected a better performance. My processor is not able to run on 2.4GHz even for a minute if it is loaded.
 

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My system is balanced. I spent a week to build it. I tried to get the best for less. I have loaded it on purpose, but expected a better performance. This processor is not able to run on 2.4GHz even for a minute if it is loaded.

Could you please give us your core temps, preferably using TAT, both at idle and load
 

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Unfortunately this Intel motherboard BIOS doesn't allow to change the speedstep. I had no problem changing speedstep on my older Asus motherboard.

You need to disable EIST. It is located with the power management.
 

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Check the following:

Software, Bios, and drivers checklist
Did you run your Windows updates, i.e. did you get SP2 loaded?
Did you load your 965 chipset drivers?
Did you flash the motherboard to the latest bios?
Did you load Intel Management Engine Interface?


Heatsink installation:
Are you using the stock heatsink?
Did you leave the thermal pad on the bottom of the heat sink?
Did you add thermal compound yourself? If so how much?
Are the four grommets that secure the heatsink to the motherboard tightly fastened? - They should be on so tight you could pick the motherboard up by grabbing the heat sink (don't do that :wink: ).

We really need to know your processor temps after you update your bios (the early 965 bios were giving bad temperature readings), otherwise we cannot diagnose your problem between heatsink installation, or software, drivers, and settings.

Core 2 Duo doesn't use Speedstep as the previous forum member noted. The setting in the bios is now EIST (enabled or disabled). It can be turned off and on; however, I don't think you will need to shut if off if you have done the aformentioned items. All those items above will have interplay with your Core 2 Duo's power management and throttling.

I just built a Core 2 Duo with an E6300, and a genuine Intel motherboard almost identical to yours(Intel BOXDG965WHMKR). Mine is the media series i.e. a few more bells and whistles, but it has the 965 chipset just like yours. I haven't had any of these issues. If I can further clarify anything let me know. My system is great and I am very happy with my Intel motherboard - and I would like to help you be happy with yours.

My processor runs at 38 Celius or 100 F. In the bois under hardware monitor you can see what your temps are. Early 965 bios were immature and riddled with issues, its imparative you update your bois.
 

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This is the TAT log. First part is in half loaded state the second part is 5 minutes after switch on.

Time:, MHz(Processor 0), MHz(Processor 1), DTS(Processor 0), DTS(Processor 1),
22:01:45, 1600, 1566, -42, 82,
22:01:47, 1566, 1566, 85, 82,
22:01:49, 1566, 1566, -42, 82,
22:01:51, 1566, 1566, -42, 82,
22:01:53, 1566, 1566, 85, 82,
22:01:55, 1773, 1566, 85, 82,
22:01:57, 1567, 1566, -42, 82,
22:01:59, 1566, 1687, -42, 82,
22:02:01, 1566, 1566, -42, 83,
22:02:03, 1600, 1600, -42, 82,
22:02:05, 1722, 1566, -42, 82,
22:02:07, 1566, 1566, -42, 83,
22:02:09, 1566, 1566, 85, 83,
22:02:12, 1550, 1566, 85, 82,
22:02:14, 1550, 1566, -42, 83,
22:02:16, 1566, 1567, -42, 82,
22:02:18, 1566, 1573, 85, 82,
22:02:20, 1600, 1566, 85, 82,
22:02:22, 1650, 1566, -42, 83,
22:02:24, 1566, 1566, -42, 82,
22:02:26, 1566, 1567, -42, 82,
22:02:28, 1566, 1566, -42, 83,
22:02:30, 1584, 1566, -42, 82,
22:02:32, 1566, 1566, -42, 83,
22:02:34, 1566, 1566, -42, 83,
22:02:36, 1566, 1566, -42, 83,
22:02:38, 1720, 1577, 85, 83,
Time:, MHz(Processor 0), MHz(Processor 1), DTS(Processor 0), DTS(Processor 1),
22:37:00, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:02, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:04, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:06, 2400, 2400, 59, 60,
22:37:08, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:10, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:12, 2400, 2400, 60, 60,
22:37:14, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:16, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:18, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:20, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:22, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:24, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:26, 2400, 2400, 60, 60,
22:37:28, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:30, 2400, 2400, 60, 60,
22:37:32, 2400, 2400, 60, 60,
22:37:34, 2400, 2400, 60, 60,
22:37:36, 2400, 2400, 60, 59,
22:37:38, 2400, 2400, 60, 60,
22:37:40, 2400, 2400, 60, 60,
22:37:42, 2400, 2400, 60, 60,
22:37:44, 2400, 2400, 60, 60,
22:37:46, 2400, 2400, 62, 60,
22:37:48, 2400, 2400, 60, 62,
 

bunkgoats

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If I am reading this thing right, when your temps are in the 60s your processor flys(2400mhz), when you get into the 80s its throttling so that it doesn't burn up.

Also, you said the second half is 5 min after power at which point your temps finally seem to be in control. What did you change?

Finally, that first batch with negative (-42) and a positive 80 doesn't make any sense. The second batch is logical. There is 30 minute time difference between the first and second batch. I think you have the problem solved.

Please post the resolution for other people that may have the same issue so that they may learn.
 

turpit

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Whoa, you have a heat problem. Big time. This is why your CPU is throttling. Either you have a serious airflow disruption around your CPU HSF, or the HSF itself is not seated properly.

This is not an uncommon problem. Even very experienced system builders have been having problems with some of the mounting methods used for socket 775 HSFs, particularly the stock HSF, which when seated properly should provide you with idles in the 40s and loaded runs in the 60s..C' of course. This is on TAT.

At a minumim, you should reseat your HSF
 

pivi97

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The result was better for the first 10 minutes. After that almost the same:

Time:, MHz(Processor 0), MHz(Processor 1), DTS(Processor 0), DTS(Processor 1),
23:06:44, 1769, 1566, -42, 83,
23:06:46, 1700, 1725, -42, 82,
23:06:48, 1700, 1800, 85, 82,
23:06:50, 1566, 1566, -42, 82,
23:06:52, 1873, 1567, -42, 82,
23:06:54, 1829, 1686, 85, 81,
23:06:56, 1566, 1686, -42, 81,
23:06:58, 1600, 1830, 85, 82,
23:07:00, 1566, 1641, 85, 82,
23:07:02, 1750, 1750, -42, 82,
23:07:04, 1686, 1566, -42, 83,
23:07:06, 1566, 1600, 85, 82,
23:07:08, 1788, 1734, -42, 82,
23:07:10, 1631, 1566, 85, 82,
23:07:12, 1829, 1566, 85, 82,
23:07:14, 1566, 1566, 85, 82,
23:07:16, 1641, 1730, 85, 82,
23:07:18, 1850, 1566, 85, 82,
23:07:20, 1841, 1781, 85, 82,
23:07:23, 1566, 1872, 85, 82,
23:07:25, 2000, 1839, 85, 82,
23:07:27, 1719, 1566, 85, 82,
23:07:29, 1567, 1566, 85, 82,
23:07:31, 1566, 1900, -42, 82,
23:07:33, 1566, 1661, 85, 82,
 

turpit

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The result was better for the first 10 minutes. After that almost the same:

Time:, MHz(Processor 0), MHz(Processor 1), DTS(Processor 0), DTS(Processor 1),
23:06:44, 1769, 1566, -42, 83,
23:06:46, 1700, 1725, -42, 82,
23:06:48, 1700, 1800, 85, 82,
23:06:50, 1566, 1566, -42, 82,
23:06:52, 1873, 1567, -42, 82,
23:06:54, 1829, 1686, 85, 81,
23:06:56, 1566, 1686, -42, 81,
23:06:58, 1600, 1830, 85, 82,
23:07:00, 1566, 1641, 85, 82,
23:07:02, 1750, 1750, -42, 82,
23:07:04, 1686, 1566, -42, 83,
23:07:06, 1566, 1600, 85, 82,
23:07:08, 1788, 1734, -42, 82,
23:07:10, 1631, 1566, 85, 82,
23:07:12, 1829, 1566, 85, 82,
23:07:14, 1566, 1566, 85, 82,
23:07:16, 1641, 1730, 85, 82,
23:07:18, 1850, 1566, 85, 82,
23:07:20, 1841, 1781, 85, 82,
23:07:23, 1566, 1872, 85, 82,
23:07:25, 2000, 1839, 85, 82,
23:07:27, 1719, 1566, 85, 82,
23:07:29, 1567, 1566, 85, 82,
23:07:31, 1566, 1900, -42, 82,
23:07:33, 1566, 1661, 85, 82,


WAY WAY too high.
Its moot, but did you take these readings with the case open or closed. Either way, your temps are just too high. Your HSF is not seated properly
 

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Hehe, I suggest you be "impressed" with Intel for this cooling malfunction not resulting in a fried chip :-D

That said, your cooling solution is not operating correctly, and disabling EIST isn't helping.
 

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I have Windows XP 64 installed on the computer with the latest updates. I have also installed the chipset drivers, the latest BIOS and the latest drivers (LAN, Audio, Video) which was downloaded from the Intel wesite.

I installed the heatsink based on the documentation and it wasn't the first installation. I didn't add any extra thermal compound.