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November 8, 2006 7:17:12 PM

so how about some ATI DX10 cards? any release dates?

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a b U Graphics card
November 8, 2006 7:23:24 PM

~february 2007 i think
November 8, 2006 7:40:20 PM

alls i can say is ati's r600 core better blow away the g80 or i will cry.....
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November 8, 2006 7:42:51 PM

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so how about some ATI DX10 cards? any release dates?

Q1 2007. Probably late January.

Also, DX10 has absolutely nothing to do with the fact we're moving onto a new generation of cards.
November 8, 2006 7:44:43 PM

i think that nvidia rushed the release of dx10 cards i wouldnt mind if they made the card a bit smaller i mean 11 inches..?
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a b U Graphics card
November 8, 2006 7:50:59 PM

Apparently is 10.5" because of the 384bit memory interface, you cannot have the same number of memory chip(hence the 768meg) so the card is long because of that...HardOCp explanation I thing.

Reading about the G80 it's nothing but a rush job; 4 years of developement, I dont think they could shrink the card in 2 month!
a b U Graphics card
November 8, 2006 8:30:32 PM

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call it a stoic amd drawback,no leaks no hype;the latter is cool but the former is frustrating.


I don't think it has anything to do with AMD, it's business as usual for ATi and nV.

The funny thing, is no leaked information but the InQ reports that there is R600 silicon in the wild, and even Fuad says, isn't that announcement just 'handy' timing. Like every generation, both companies plan strategic 'leaks' when they want them, but only leak enough info to get people thinking, not to actually do anything with it.

The R600 silicon announcement IMO is to try and put to rest the 3-6month rumours and have people think the 2-3month target. It's easier to wait 2-3 months than potentially to next summer. I don't expect it to work well during the Xmas season, but for those one the fence it'll likely stall them.

And really I fully expect and equal announcent from nV about some refresh or new design once the R600 launches. It's the history of the industry really.
a b U Graphics card
November 8, 2006 9:06:40 PM

Well but if you look back over time (at Daily-Tech, The InQ, Xbit or 3Dcentre), you'll see that right up until launch day we truely had no solid idea of what the design was. Maybe some 'accurate' rumours within a week or two of launch but never anything this far out.

I still remember 24 pipeline talk of the R420 and GF6800 and the 32pip partially unified R500 talk of 24+8/8.

Really both companies are pretty secret, and the stuff they do tell is usually just what they want you to know, like the G80 leak of the 128 streaming processors, or as reported, 128 pipelines or shader groups.

I find that the truth usually doesn't come out unti like 3 days AFTER a launch when all the dust settles, and we go, Ahhh that's what they mean by 48 pixel shaders, or ahhh that's how it's unified, within bundles, etc.

Seems about standard for now. We know there's an R600, we know it's unified, we know they are testing it, and we know they currently have a Jan target (doesn't mean they'll make it), seems to be exactly what they want us to know, and little more.
November 8, 2006 9:33:05 PM

they might as well give us some hints to keep us excited (ati)
November 8, 2006 9:37:27 PM

They won't.

The only way we'll know something if it gets leaked, ATI won't say anything official for a while.
November 9, 2006 12:02:12 AM

It's really a big AMD conspiracy
November 9, 2006 12:26:36 AM

hopefully the product is good im planning on getting an R600. I would imagine it will come out at the same time as the new amd 65nm stuff.
November 9, 2006 1:28:53 PM

i think it was a smarter move to do what nvidia did honestly. They released there new line of cards before christmas. ATI didn't, so they might not get that big shopping boom put on their cards.
November 9, 2006 1:56:55 PM

Then again, cards are $500 investments and I doubt that Christmas will really affect sales for this market. Wiki says that R600 will have 1 GB of Ram, 512-bit memory, and GDDR4 running at 2000 MHz effective.
November 9, 2006 2:27:23 PM

Canada I believe.





Edit: I only read the subject line hehe. They are coming next year. Not sure if its late Q1 or sometime in Q2 but I've read reports that it will be 5-6 months possibly before they bring it to market.

I think they'll try to put something out before then but it won't be this year.
November 9, 2006 3:11:40 PM

Why do we keep buying new software, and expensive hardware to run a $49 computer game? How much does it cost to run a game?

Perhaps ATI can find a way for DX9 cards to run faster and better than DX10?
November 9, 2006 3:13:41 PM

ATI is just starting to fail producing high-end chips on time (and so possibly delaying other parts for those series).

R520 was delayed for quite some time, now R600 once again delayed for several months...

They need to get their act together and bring products on time, seems they didn't learn alot from NV30 and delays, NVIDIA sure did learn a lot from it!
November 9, 2006 3:35:11 PM

unless my memory fails me ati always turn up fashionable late with there products. i would also expect 8800s to be overpriced till then.

i will what and see with an open mind. i wont upgrade my gpu b4 crysis
November 9, 2006 3:42:02 PM

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unless my memory fails me ati always turn up fashionable late with there products. i would also expect 8800s to be overpriced till then.

i will what and see with an open mind. i wont upgrade my gpu b4 crysis


A ATi X1950XTX is priced at $420 and the 8800GTX doubles its performance but is priced at $650(supposed to be at $599)...i wouldn't call that overpriced i would just call it more performance for more money

or you get what you pay for...
November 9, 2006 3:47:25 PM

8800gts beats the x1950xtx in almost all benches, and its about 499 or 449........ so i say thats the way to go. It blows the hinges off the x1950xtx. And yes the christmas time does =have that big of an effect on product sales........ even if it is that much. Look at the ps3, thats going to be 599, but its still going to sell out. And i hope u no nemenor that anyone can change wiki...... so the information isn't always trustworthy.
November 9, 2006 4:28:07 PM

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unless my memory fails me ati always turn up fashionable late with there products. i would also expect 8800s to be overpriced till then.

i will what and see with an open mind. i wont upgrade my gpu b4 crysis


i think your memory serves you well,lets go basck to the x850xt and the 9800xt ,you couldnt buy one for a while after the release,the production quantities were low.they were late to the shelves,bigtime.

Its seems like you two are referring to different things

breedalot is referring to that ATi is usually late to the show(not always true but in recent time) usually bringing out their product after nVidia but delivering more performance

verndewd seems to be saying that ATi is known for launching their products but aren't even available...once again in recent memory ATi has launched numerous cards that have never been available on the release date while nv has had numerous hard launches recently...
November 9, 2006 4:43:12 PM

I was just pointing out that a paper launch doesn't mean necessarily that ATi released their product last like "showing up late to the party" means

Just saying that it means ATi didn't have enough cards out on the release date...
November 9, 2006 4:43:15 PM

True, but they were first at jumping off the standard "pipeline" bandwagon focusing more heavily on shaders, and using GDDR4.
November 9, 2006 4:46:51 PM

The shader part actually means something, switching to GDDR4 doesn't really...the shaders were an innovation the GDD4 is barely an upgrade
November 9, 2006 4:50:29 PM

I know, it was just something else to add.
November 9, 2006 7:27:37 PM

Thats why i said it was just an upgrade rather than a performance increase or to make it such a big deal that ATi was first to bring it to the show...it costs more and with the higher latency results in very little performance gained...and no offense to your mention of the power requirements but that little decrease in power requirements from the memory doesn't mean anything for the overall power required is very similar, and to point this out even more

@Dailytech they said that Watts
Radeon X1950 XTX GeForce 8800GTX
Idle
184 229

Load
308 321

With a 8800GTX in the system it only consumed 13 more watts...considering that not only does the GTX have more memory 768mb vs 512, it is also using GDDR3 rather than 4 like the XTX, so the decrease in power has little to no effect although and with the increased latency equals barely any performance gained at equally rated speeds

hopefully both ATi and NV will have GDDR4 clocked to 2.6GHz or higher soon enough so we can really see the benefit from using GDDR4

right now as far as i see it GDDR4 is more market strategy to say they were the "first" since they wouldn't be able to say that with DX10...now which "first" do you think is more of a big deal...
November 9, 2006 7:32:19 PM

Where is ATI? In the 200-300$ mainstream price segment, with the X1950Pro and X1950XT owning some serious nVidia butt. :wink:
a b U Graphics card
November 9, 2006 9:10:36 PM

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8800gts beats the x1950xtx in almost all benches, and its about 499 or 449........ so i say thats the way to go. It blows the hinges off the x1950xtx.


Yeah, but how long with those prices last. The GTS is still close to the XTX in some application, but already the XTX is getting rebates to put it under the $400 mark so as to make people think about whether it's worth the extra money. IMO, don't bother with the X1950XTX, cause if it's worth that money over a plain X1900XT or X1950Pro, then the GF800GTS is worth the little more. But expect price cuts to make people think twice. Anyone who's aware of the gaming scene knows that even with a $50 to a$100 premium, the GTS is the better long term hold. The issue is the ignorant parents, etc. who often finance these pruchases.

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And yes the christmas time does =have that big of an effect on product sales........ even if it is that much. Look at the ps3, thats going to be 599, but its still going to sell out.


Bah, it's gonna sell out because they only shipped a handful to retailers. The Xmas season is a huge buying time, but don't use the PS3 as an example. it's artificially low volume to begin with (also it's a complete system, not a single component). The G80 is coming out at jsut the right time, Thanksgiving shopping is the big SuperBowl of shopping. The only thing is imagine what it would've been like had Vista actually shipped at the same time, then that'd be the best combination for sales.
a b U Graphics card
November 9, 2006 9:27:06 PM

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ATI is just starting to fail producing high-end chips on time (and so possibly delaying other parts for those series).


So when do you think the G80 was supposed to be here. Last Xmas it was a Spring part so it'd be ready for the Summer of Vista. So what exactly constitutes a delay to you, because both companies do it?

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They need to get their act together and bring products on time, seems they didn't learn alot from NV30 and delays, NVIDIA sure did learn a lot from it!


NV didn't learn from the NV30 delays either, they learned from the benifit of having the 6800GT and 6600GT in quantity, their GF6800U was still as rare as the X800s. Then when they postponed a part launch ( NV47/48 ) they had enough supply to have their first day1 available launch too, and it was revolutionary. However only a few months later they launched the GTX-512 with basically no sotck, and GX2 with no stock initially. And like the X1800XL / XT , nV also staggered launch dates to fit their supply issues like with the GF7300.

Both companies have missed their targets. And if you don't think the G80 got delayed then you haven't followed the industry very long. The lucky thing for nV and ATi is that they had the grace of Vista delays to help them.
November 9, 2006 9:43:55 PM

I dont know about all you guys....

But Im waiting to upgrade my computer when there is no new technology comming out.

Bam I will never be outdated.
November 9, 2006 9:48:55 PM

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plan on getting old and grey before you upgrade eh? :roll: :p 

Yup, that's the plan. :lol: 
November 9, 2006 9:52:27 PM

Maybe some leaks, or educated rumors. Nothing will be said officially unfortunately.
November 9, 2006 10:37:51 PM

According to what I have read ATI R600 will have 64 shader units that will be able to run both virtex and pixel shader routines. Should be interesting to see how it does against Nvidia's card since the ATI card is supposed to be a superior design.

Rumor is that ATI will release the R600 around the time Vista launches but probably before that and hopefully before the end of 2006.
November 9, 2006 11:16:06 PM

Most likely things will change.
November 10, 2006 12:01:39 AM

ATi was suppossed to come out with its X2K gen much earlier but i think the whole amd + ati merger slowed em down a bit. ati does sometimes come up a little late with their products, but its always something good or innovative. It has been so for the past 3 generations.
November 10, 2006 12:28:59 AM

AT who? oh yeah aren't they that company that used to make graphics cards but went out of business because they couldn't release a DX10 card?

I heard AMD bought the name or something.... I bet you could still find some of their later cards if you look in the bargain bins and discount sections on websites or even going cheap on ebay... but of course no serious enthusiast would ever buy one because their Linux drivers suck and they dont support DX10.
November 10, 2006 12:49:38 AM

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so how about some ATI DX10 cards? any release dates?


Where's ATI? Markham, Ontario.

I'm going on a office tour on the 20th, i'll steal any secret plans that I see when i'm there.

They are so cheap, they are "raffling" off a X1300pro. At least put like a 1800 series card up for raffle.
November 10, 2006 1:19:43 AM

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AT who? oh yeah aren't they that company that used to make graphics cards but went out of business because they couldn't release a DX10 card?

I heard AMD bought the name or something.... I bet you could still find some of their later cards if you look in the bargain bins and discount sections on websites or even going cheap on ebay... but of course no serious enthusiast would ever buy one because their Linux drivers suck and they dont support DX10.


Take it easy buddy. Nvidia only came out with DX10 compatible cards like 2 days ago. Who know's what ATi might come up with? Stop being such a fanboy and wait for both before getting some random idea that if ATi lags behind, they automatically suck. Theres no software with DX10 yet so thats worthless, and I dont see the GeForce 8 series with a GDDR4. They're a Gen ahead of ATi and they still don't have it. [/quote]
November 10, 2006 1:32:53 AM

I busted out the $$$ and bought a 8800GTX today and will not be regreting it. Anyone want a X1900XT that will run 730core and 1664mem?
a b U Graphics card
November 10, 2006 1:35:03 AM

I think he is just having fun, but in all honesty there is no DX10 now, so G80 most of all is the top card for DX9 games. But apart from ATI clearly being beaten up top now, they have a very strong lineup for $400 and down. $500+ video cards aren't going to make up a large percentage of holiday sales; ATI will be fine.
November 10, 2006 1:35:13 AM

sure i would. but for a lowered price.
November 10, 2006 1:53:59 AM

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sure i would. but for a lowered price.


It is a 512mb powercolor model with the 1.1ns memory which is XTX memory. I have an Accellero X2 cooler mounted on it.

$300.00 Even.



I have sold some items on this forum and also have an ebay account with great feedback.
November 10, 2006 2:11:18 AM

NVIDIA usually releases an awesome card before ATi then ATi releases a card that is on top for about 6 months and then you repeat ;0
November 10, 2006 2:11:23 AM

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I busted out the $$$ and bought a 8800GTX today and will not be regreting it. Anyone want a X1900XT that will run 730core and 1664mem?

how much?
thats almost retail.with new cards coming out that will stomp that one for another 100?,,,,,i will pass on that price.

Thats cool. Im just gonna stick it on Ebay. I saw one today just like mine sitting at $280 with 3 days left on the bidding. LOL.
November 10, 2006 2:47:21 AM

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I busted out the $$$ and bought a 8800GTX today and will not be regreting it. Anyone want a X1900XT that will run 730core and 1664mem?

how much?
thats almost retail.with new cards coming out that will stomp that one for another 100?,,,,,i will pass on that price.

Thats cool. Im just gonna stick it on Ebay. I saw one today just like mine sitting at $280 with 3 days left on the bidding. LOL.
whats your best price? since nvidias next cards will likely beat it and be around the same price ,and the price on that will drop substantially and its been used for how long?
whats your best price?considering we dont know how stable your psu is,or how long it will last.

I have had it since April and it ran first on the Silverstone 560watt single 12v rail with 36amps-very stable psu.

Right now it is running on a pcpowerandcooling 750watt psu with 60amps on a single 12vrail. :wink:

$270 is best price.
November 10, 2006 2:49:24 AM

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I busted out the $$$ and bought a 8800GTX today and will not be regreting it. Anyone want a X1900XT that will run 730core and 1664mem?

how much?
thats almost retail.with new cards coming out that will stomp that one for another 100?,,,,,i will pass on that price.

Thats cool. Im just gonna stick it on Ebay. I saw one today just like mine sitting at $280 with 3 days left on the bidding. LOL.
whats your best price? since nvidias next cards will likely beat it and be around the same price ,and the price on that will drop substantially and its been used for how long?
whats your best price?considering we dont know how stable your psu is,or how long it will last.
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November 10, 2006 2:51:36 AM

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200$right now.



No way man. I can get more than that for it. $270. :) 
November 10, 2006 2:56:23 AM

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not in a couple months,


Thats why im doing it now :wink:

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and with retail prices at 40 dollars more,youd be hard pressed to sell an 8 month old card for your asking price;but you may. :wink:


Oh I will no problem. :wink:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ATI-RADEON-X1900XT-512MB-W-Accelero...
November 10, 2006 3:12:30 AM

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if it doesnt sell you know where ill be :lol: 


:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Gotcha.


I still might chicken out and send the G80 back when I get it :oops: 
a b U Graphics card
November 10, 2006 3:53:23 AM

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nvidia bieng 1st to retail will get alot of hype sales,and really make good on the holiday season,where as ati will suffer the post holiday blues. i half expect ati to offer somethin dx10 capable this year,just a gut hunch.


But remember the vast majority of the money in the market is the low to mid range, the high end is a marquee vanity part with small margins and less overall revenue. ATi has basically lost most of their X1950XTX @ $400 sales, but they'll likely move a ton of X1950Pros and other cards, and likely nV will make more revenue from their GF7600 series than their GF8800 series. So while I agree this is great timing for nV, I doubt ATi's in any rush to launch before they're ready. Having the R600 ready before Vistas isn't as important as being sure that when it does come out, it at least meets expectations, and that it arrives before Vista, whether that's in Q4 '06 or Q1 '07 doesn;t matter much long term.
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