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Difference between Asus Striker Extreme/EVGA 680i?

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November 9, 2006 11:25:06 PM

i am going to buy one of these for my new system but for some reason the asus 680i is like 200 dollars more then the evga 680i........

why is that and what is the difference between both of them?
November 10, 2006 3:22:52 AM

When the Striker hits the retail channel it might be $80 more than the eVGA.
The eVGA is practically the reference board, wich was made and designed by Foxconn and sold to eVGA by the way. But the Stiker will be much better enginereed and BIOS tweaked.
The ROG marketing crap and the heatpipe jungle just skyrockets the price tough.
November 10, 2006 4:34:44 PM

Honestly, after reading the review of the evga board... I can't imagine much more tweaking going on in the BIOS. The "PC Performance" reviewer stated that it was the best Enthusiast BIOS he has ever seen... and that nvidia has answered back to all the wishes of OC'ers.
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November 10, 2006 4:40:17 PM

Screw the Stiker..

Striker should be 350+! that'll do everything you need =)

And PCAnalyst, look in the striker thread, Coolaler has picture of the BIos of the stiker, impressive!
November 10, 2006 5:41:24 PM

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The "PC Performance" reviewer stated that it was the best Enthusiast BIOS he has ever seen...

Obiously he hasnt seen the Striker and RD600 yet...
November 11, 2006 2:50:01 AM

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Screw the Stiker..

Striker should be 350+! that'll do everything you need =)

And PCAnalyst, look in the striker thread, Coolaler has picture of the BIos of the stiker, impressive!


Man... I looked all over for the striker thread containing those BIOS pics... there were about 20 results from search and multiple posts... too much to look through at work. :) 

But should I assume you have seen the EVGA BIOS, and are still less impressed by it?
Anonymous
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November 12, 2006 1:25:36 AM

Linky

And yes I am impressed and to tell the truth the eVga bios can probably do anything I need. Just have more faith ind DFI/ABit/Asus to provide frequent updates on their bios and improve performance thru a the first month of the board...

Also the striker bios seem to have more option, and basically push everything further...
November 12, 2006 2:09:23 AM

Thanks for the link... from a quick glance I could see little difference, but I have no problem taking your word on it.

As for dependability issue I have to, as I have no personal reference, but the question i have is - if I am getting a pair of eVGA 8800 cards, then would it be a better idea to go with eVGA mobo for the sake of those pesky little compatibilty issues that tend to pop up... or am I just overanalising?
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November 12, 2006 7:01:24 AM

The first batch of 8800 are all exactly the same except for the bundle and the sticker on the heatsink. I don't remember who did this batch but there is 0 difference...

If you look at the eVGa motherboard and like the layout, then I would probably go for it. The BIOS does have pretty much anything you might want, the ROG push thing further...on a 6600 with air/water it probably is irrelevant. I do trust asus more then eVga to extract every ounce of performance from their board though
November 14, 2006 12:36:16 AM

y will the 6600 overclock good on this board with a aftermarket fan/heatsink on the cpu ... air cooled at first but once i get enough bills ill prolly go for water cooled....
November 14, 2006 7:22:24 AM

i just recently bought the eVGA, its filled with features and i couldnt want much more, it is also from what i have seen so far very stable, no crashes or any weird things like that i dont Regret my buy and the Asus may be more troublesome then you think. some of their boards are extremely buggy
November 14, 2006 12:24:06 PM

Since when does eVGA make motherboards... well, lemme rephrase that, since when does eVGA make quality motherboards... I'd still wait for an offering from the big 5 mobo makers and see how they compare (Asus/Gigabyte, Foxconn, DFI, ECS, and Universal Abit)
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November 14, 2006 2:19:10 PM

The 6600/6700/6800 OC good enough on the 680i mobo, probably far enoguh to max out any Air Cooler, yet they don't seem to hit their full potential compared to the 6300/6400, probably a bios Issue.

But yeah you should be fine with that board for 3.6ghz+
November 14, 2006 2:29:20 PM

do you recommend i get a 6400 or 6300 c2d instead of a 6600... like you said the 6400 and 6300 can reach their full potential rather then the 6600..........????

what do you think i should get ....... 6600 or 6400 or 6300?...... price isnt a issue and that 4mb l2 cache is sounding pretty hefty to mee!!

do you think the reason is because the 6600 has higher fsb multipliers then the 6400 and the 6300 hundred?

meaning it needs a top of the line board to overclock to its full potential

and i prolly wait till x mas to build my pc anyway cause of the proce drops and deals... and plus hopefully there will be more reviews on the striker and the evga so i will no what to get
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November 14, 2006 4:00:41 PM

I personally will go for the 6600 and 680i/RD600 just before X-mas.
The 4 meg of cache will give you 2-10% boost with ~5% in most applications.

With a 6600 you can probably reach ~3.6ghz with a good after market cooler. With the 6300/6400 you might reach even higher speed with more bandwith. If price is not an issue, I suggest the 6600 Oced to 3.6 that will be blazing fast no doubt about that!

Apparently the reason the 4meg part hit a wall is unknown, the higher multiplier is not the issue, apparently, to early to tell I think.

Btw the 680i chipset are pretty much top of the line and cooling should be the limit of your OCing possibilities giving the proper RAM...
November 14, 2006 4:42:06 PM

Could always unlink the RAM so it doesn't run at a 1:1 ratio, but that itself might start generating problems... either way, ram is damn expensive, and only $300+ Ram can begin to touch the FSB's the e6300 and e6400 can acheive (525mhz fsb *2... DDR2 1050 ram....) but most of the high quality ram should be able to hit near that target (DDR2-800 ram I mean)
November 14, 2006 6:37:43 PM

I would choose the ASUS mobo; maybe not the Striker, but maybe the P5N32-E SLI board. I've always had good experiences with ASUS and I agree that they tend to make modifications to their boards to get more performance and stability.

Kind of like two or three years ago (I forget exactly) when Intel released the 865 and 875 chipsets, but said you had to purchase the 875 to get the PAT (Performance Accelerated Technology, or whatever it was called), but then ASUS found a way to enable the same technology on their mobos for the 865 chipset.
November 14, 2006 7:09:06 PM

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Since when does eVGA make motherboards... well, lemme rephrase that, since when does eVGA make quality motherboards... I'd still wait for an offering from the big 5 mobo makers and see how they compare (Asus/Gigabyte, Foxconn, DFI, ECS, and Universal Abit)


Isn't the eVGA board actually a Foxconn board?
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November 14, 2006 7:17:38 PM

Designed by nVidia, produced by Foxconn, from what I gather, BUT foxconn is suppose to come up with their own design...
November 14, 2006 7:34:17 PM

Hmmmm... maybe I should rephrase that... if Foxconn did make the eVGA board, it would most likely be geared towards nVidia's reference or with some tweaks that eVGA wanted, but like I said, eVGA isin't really a power player in the mobo industry so I'm farily certain that if Foxconn had it's way (or any other mobo maker) then they could produce a much better board (tweaks here and there, bios optimizations, etc...)
November 15, 2006 2:37:37 PM

I need to know y i should get the 6600 instead of the 6300 and 6400?

if the 6300 and 6400 can overclock higher then why would i want to get the 6600.....4mb lz cache is nice but if it cant overclock as high as the other two then wats the big deal about the 6600?

also i need to know if anyone has actually gotten the evga/striker 680i to actualy no wat i want to go with........i want to know what one i should get or if i should wait till xmas and see what the rd600 is all about and to see if there is any good reviews on the 680i
November 15, 2006 8:11:09 PM

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I need to know y i should get the 6600 instead of the 6300 and 6400?

if the 6300 and 6400 can overclock higher then why would i want to get the 6600.....4mb lz cache is nice but if it cant overclock as high as the other two then wats the big deal about the 6600?

also i need to know if anyone has actually gotten the evga/striker 680i to actualy no wat i want to go with........i want to know what one i should get or if i should wait till xmas and see what the rd600 is all about and to see if there is any good reviews on the 680i


I have the EVGA 680i. Finished the build last night and just got windows and some programs installed. First impression is really really good. BIOS has every adjustment you could need. CPUz indicates that my FSB seems to be underclocking by about 45MHz, didn't have time to figure out why yet but i know that my speed step is disabled. Only complaint is some wacky connector placement on the mobo. The audio connector is on the wrong side of the card and the 12V connector is in a bad place for a bottom mounted PSU. These issues are minor and I would definatly recommend this board. I have not done any overclocking yet but the reviews show that it is a real gem in this area.
November 15, 2006 8:37:28 PM

OK then i think ill wait till christmas to see if Asus or other companies come out with better or updated models of the 680i because those minor problems could turn out to be major isssues in the future... so id rather have no minor problems.....

and does anyone know if the Asus Striker edition is better then the Evga version?
November 15, 2006 8:40:45 PM

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OK then i think ill wait till christmas to see if Asus or other companies come out with better or updated models of the 680i because those minor problems could turn out to be major isssues in the future... so id rather have no minor problems.....

and does anyone know if the Asus Striker edition is better then the Evga version?


See motherboards.org:

http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/motherboards/1673_1...
http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/motherboards/1674_1...

Today they released reviews for both the EVGA and the Striker. They rated the EVGA higher than the Striker!
November 15, 2006 8:52:24 PM

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They rated the EVGA higher than the Striker!

They screwed up in the OCing section so those reviews are worthless to me.
On C2Ds, the vast mayority of users is reaching a wall at 449Mhz FSB, this can be mainly blamed on the lack of a BIOS revision from Nvidia.
The Striker has reached 514Mhz on air and without any modding.
November 15, 2006 8:55:04 PM

Hmm, well im sure there will be revisions in the future, the board is only like a week old. Im happy with it anyway since ill never be taking my FSB up that hight with my E6700. Bottom line though is that they are both really great boards!
November 16, 2006 12:36:05 PM

Foxconn made the mobo for EVGA so why wait?
November 16, 2006 2:01:59 PM

how much fsb is it when it reaches 3.6 on the 6600 c2d?

and can i get to 3.6 on the evga board?
November 16, 2006 2:41:09 PM

Motherboards.org has reviewed both boards. Only site I'm aware of so far that has.

They gave the Striker an overall score of 92/100 and the EVGA 97/100.
In a nutshell they said the OC is roughly the same so far on the boards. The biggest difference they found was in the layout.

On the plus side for the striker the SATA ports are all turned 90degrees helping in cable management.

EVGA has only a part turned 90degrees and part not. shrug

The EVGA makes use of an extra PCI-Ex1 slot that on the Striker board is useless for anything except the packaged add-in soundcard.

If you want more info go to EVGA review and also to Striker review and read them yourself.

This is not definitive and I would love to see other sites perform a direct comparison as well so we have a better pool of reviews to judge from.

On a personal note, I've heard nothing but raves so far on the EVGA and I like the fact that an expansion port isn't wasted on a soundcard I won't use. I just hope that if I go with the EVGA that they keep up with bios revisions as well as the big mobo manufacturers to boost OC potential even further if possible.
That would be my only real concern personally. To each their own though.
November 16, 2006 3:00:48 PM

Hi Talon

thanks for your comments. very helpful.

On your bios update question.
I understand that the EVGA mobo is a stock reference board that is designed by NVidia and made by Foxcon.

I am sure that NVIDIA will offer bios updates for this reference board
So wouldn't the bios updates published by NVIDA work fine on this mobo?

Grant
November 16, 2006 3:55:32 PM

Not really sure to be honest. Sometimes when diff manufacturers use a similar board they do use different BIOS such as Phoenix or Award etc. and some have different options than others.

Its certainly possible but I imagine EVGA would release their own BIOS updates to ensure compatibility with its particular board.

I hear great things about EVGA's support for their mobos and cards though so I am hoping they give that same attention to their perfecting of their released mobos.

Anyway, unless I see anything dramatically different in reviews in the next week or so I'll be going EVGA for the reasons I stated above :)  Peace.

**EDIT**: Just read something from a tech on EVGA forums about the mobo. Said essentially they are working with Nvidia directly to solve a couple minor issues and this leads me to believe they "might" be collaborative on the BIOS front as well. That could indeed be a good thing if Nvidia is offering such support to those using the reference design. Don't know how accurate that is but it sounds good.
November 16, 2006 4:39:34 PM

Sigh, yeah, Foxconn makes the board, but they made it according to eVGA's design, so their own Fox-one chip or other optimizations they use to make their own products worthy aren't on there...

Either way, waiting for a week or so will also help stabilize prices and make sure you don't end up with buyer's remorse if a different company makes a much better mobo (which prolly won't happen, but you never know).
November 16, 2006 7:33:50 PM

Yea i think ill wait till atleast after thanksgiving them i am off to start building my pc

do you think i will be able to get to 3.6 or more on this board with the 6600 c2d on a very good fan/heatsink cpu cooler?

i would like to also know what i could put in that third graphics expanision slot?
November 16, 2006 7:56:19 PM

If you just want to fill the slot... try an ageia physics processor... combined with SLI it might be interesting results.
November 17, 2006 12:15:39 AM

yeah... 1500 bucks... all the damn threads and articles I have read up to now has been saying 1200
November 17, 2006 12:46:39 PM

Supply and Demand... Supply and Demand...
November 19, 2006 2:52:17 AM

Although I really like this board, I and I think everyone else who is using SLI on the G80s with any audio solution is experiencing sound issues on the EVGA.

Issues include screaching sounds, breakups and eventual loss of sound, typically in the game intros. I've also had to redo the OS several times from blue screens etc, although that usally comes with the territory on immature drivers or new hardware.

Very interested to know if Striker will see the same issue(s). Plenty more info over on EVGA forums. Just a caution until this gets sorted out.
November 19, 2006 4:27:58 AM

thanks for the heads-up... i had not heard that about evga boards... which is the board I was planning on getting... mostly due to price.
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