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November 10, 2006 4:00:13 AM

I need some guidance here cause I'm sick of looking and I want to make a decision. I can't decide on witch platform to go two. I've been Nvidia for some time now but they always seem to get beating sooner or later by ATI. SO i thought lets go ATI. But then the 680i comes out along with the 8800 (wouldn't buy yet but still nvidia is in lead)

So originally I was thinking the the Asus pw5 DH board with my system and a nice ATI card to hold me over until the ATI R600. BUt it doesn't support ATI’s triple-play physics. IS this a concern well I don't think so but what IF it turns out to be AWSOME and then I would have to upgrade to anther baord to get it. So what now, the reviews still point to this being the best buy out there, but is it still with the 680i release?

NOW the 680i is here and its pretty future proof. But again as with the crossfire board. Your kinda hooked in with nvidia or ati is you want to go over one card sit up eventually for SLI or Crossfire.

I just need some guidance, What should i do? I have to order before months end I just can't take it no more.

Thanks
Mooney101

PS any good reasonably price gamer pc makers anyone would recommend?

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November 10, 2006 4:15:58 AM

I'm in the same boat you are and am eager to hear what the pros here have to say. I've been lurking almost nonstop for 3 days and new stuff just keeps coming out and changing my final decisions. Just now I noticed newegg is already selling the p5n32-e sli for $299 and they are in stock. I'm trying to convince myself to just buy it now and get it over with, but on the other hand I tend to like all the added bells and whistles of more full-featured boards like wifi, remote, mic array, and generally other unnecessary but neat things.

On the graphics I personally want to lean to nvidia but even that's biting me in the rear because those full-featured boards I like are all crossfire boards like your p5w dh. My 3.4 ghz socket 478 prescott machine just bit the dust and I need a new desktop fast so I wish every new technology would come out right now so I can decide. I know I'm getting e6700 c2d and probably corsair ram. I'm leaning towards a 7950gt for now and sli later, but I cannot figure out which mobo to get for the life of me. The mobo decision could obviously change my graphics choice, but right now I just need guidance.

If my end desire isn't clear I want as much as I can possibly get in features plus as much overclocking potential as possible because it's gonna get water cooling.
November 10, 2006 4:22:55 AM

Help us all wise ones :D 
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November 10, 2006 4:46:00 AM

imho, i'm going with ATI. I'm eagerly anticipating the release of the rd600 chipset (later this month or early next month) and then I'm buying it. When the r600 is realeased I'm going to buy two of em.

So far It looks like the rd600>680i....but I could be wrong
So far it looks like the r600>g80....but I could be wrong

Also I want everyone to know....that I'm not a fanboy the slightest bit, I just go for the products that I think are the best, and so far I'm very impressed with the ATI corner atm.
November 10, 2006 1:29:31 PM

Just how much better is the rd600? I mean the Asus pw5 DH has great reviews like allot of other boards is it really worth waiting for?
November 10, 2006 9:01:48 PM

Nvidia cards tend to cost more than ATI.

Performancewise, both are roughly same, in my opinion.

So, go for ATI.
November 10, 2006 9:59:53 PM

In the past few years, ATI was a little bit better than nVIDIA, but that doesn't mean it will be so in the future. If the other things on the mobo are important to you, then go with the mobo that have them. My personal choise is ATI( if that is of any importance to you). If you can wait for a while, my guess is that as soon as the new ATI card gets out the prices should also drop a bit.
November 10, 2006 10:31:42 PM

9 out of 10 of all the Nvidia cards has an ATI competitor that outperforms it for the price. ATIs triple play is looking really awesome cos youll get to recycle your old card.
Even that only one RD600 board will be produced, itll be enginereed by DFI.
Companies like ATI have thruly won my repect in every sense.
November 10, 2006 10:36:34 PM

seriously though ati/nv and amd/intel trade blows all the time.

competition is good for us=the consumer
November 10, 2006 10:48:22 PM

God that was a cool video. He missed lapping the CPU, using active cooling on the RAM, LN2'ing the Northbridge, modding the board and trying different chips of course, but it was cool.

He should have waited for RD600 too heh
November 10, 2006 11:23:05 PM

second unified shaders GPU designed by ATI and GDDR4. Theyve got the 'just fast enough' factor too.
November 11, 2006 12:52:59 AM

This is my first post but I've been a lurker for a while :) 

nVidia has a unified shader architecture as well with 128 shader processors, though no GDDR4. Does anyone have REAL specs on the R600? I'm curious since I do a lot of GPGPU type stuff what ATI has to offer that might be better than nVidia. The so called 'specs' I have seen don't suggest a lead for ATI but I give them about as much credit as the 'specs' that were floating around for the nVidia card that suggested a hybrid shader structure and fewer shader processors.
November 11, 2006 1:46:24 AM

Speculation? The prophetic readings taken from a fishs guts? Or, and better hope that´s not it, the Inquirer? 8O
November 11, 2006 2:40:00 AM

Gotta stop posting so fast.
You're right, G80 does have unified shaders. But R600 will be ATIs second attempt at it, Xbox360. Definetly even minor improovements must have been made.
November 11, 2006 3:22:51 AM

Speaking as someone who has owned both ATI and nVidia cards, I always go with nVidia (now) because ATI's drivers are atrocious. It's the deciding factor between the two.

IMO, they are complicated to download (did I get them all?), complicated to install, easy to screw up if you don't properly wipe the old ones off, etc. No thanks.
November 11, 2006 3:23:11 AM

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So far it looks like the r600>g80....but I could be wrong

Based on what?

I agree, it's too early to say who's better, hard evidence is all i trust 8)
November 11, 2006 3:32:58 AM

i think i spelled curtisey wrong :oops: 

damn did it again. been doin a little too much
November 11, 2006 3:34:32 AM

Summer nights, i miss 'em too
November 11, 2006 4:23:53 AM

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So far it looks like the r600>g80....but I could be wrong

Based on what?
Based on fanboy hope, of course.
November 11, 2006 4:27:36 AM

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Speaking as someone who has owned both ATI and nVidia cards, I always go with nVidia (now) because ATI's drivers are atrocious. It's the deciding factor between the two.

IMO, they are complicated to download (did I get them all?), complicated to install, easy to screw up if you don't properly wipe the old ones off, etc. No thanks.


maybe it's the installer?..never had a bit of troube with ati drivers,easy to download,a breeze to install and never removed old ones before installing new ones,what could be easier?IMO..11 rigs built in 3 years,10 ATI equipped,all 10 still running flawlessly...
November 11, 2006 4:38:18 AM

Thanks so far everyone. But only a couple of peeps have truly expressed why they prefer one over the other, or why they are steering one way right now? Anyone else?
November 11, 2006 12:12:10 PM

the truth is ,they are both great for what they are designed to do,It is mostly a matter of personal prefrence,I use and prefer ATI,but would not hesitate to go NVIDIA ,I personally have just never had 1 single issue with ATI.
you can ask which is better and you will always get different answers to your question,one will always come out with one better than the other ,just buy what YOU prefer,Im sure either way you'll be happy!
November 11, 2006 1:22:49 PM

the NV design is not a truely full "unified" architecture.....just thought I'd throw that one out there.
November 11, 2006 11:17:57 PM

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the NV design is not a truely full "unified" architecture.....just thought I'd throw that one out there.


Really? can you please explain because I have one on the way and will not hesitate to send it back.

YEah i wouldn't mind knowing more about this too. :wink:
November 12, 2006 12:26:22 AM

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the NV design is not a truely full "unified" architecture.....just thought I'd throw that one out there.


Really? can you please explain because I have one on the way and will not hesitate to send it back.You're looking for a reason to return a card that'll be the fastest on the market for the next 3 months? :wink:
November 12, 2006 1:47:49 AM

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the NV design is not a truely full "unified" architecture.....just thought I'd throw that one out there.


Here's where that came from.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/200602201009...

Its an old interview dated feb. 2006.

According to some article I read somewhere, the G80 chip has been in development for nearly four years. I think Nvidia’s chief architect would know what it actually did in feb. 2006 so my bet is that they were just messing with planting disinformation for ATI.

The truth is the G80 is fully unified.
November 12, 2006 2:31:18 PM

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The truth is the G80 is fully unified.



I'm afraid this isnt entirely accurate.

There are only 8 unified shader processors, because NV claims 128 declaring each an ALU. However from what I'm seeing, a single execution unit consists of 16ALU's and 4TMU's. The granularity makes a total of 8 units. Again, more info states that each are able to process different operations....

The paticular granularity for the NV design means that you cannot do, say...125 geometry operations and 3 pixel operations. You could do 120 pixel and 8 geo though.

Dig a little deeper. Its not a "fully" unified design as you so think. Damn close though....just look... It just requires a little bit of reading, comprehension and common "technical" sense.

Just looking, but why in the hell is this thread in the general motherboard section?
November 12, 2006 3:24:13 PM

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Just looking, but why in the hell is this thread in the general motherboard section?


Well because I'm trying to decide to go with ethier a Crossfire based mobo or a sli based mobo.
November 13, 2006 8:59:53 PM

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Just looking, but why in the hell is this thread in the general motherboard section?


Well because I'm trying to decide to go with ethier a Crossfire based mobo or a sli based mobo.
Wait for the R600. Let's hope it won't be the new FX series...
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