Nvidia is playing cheap
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MadHacker
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if the reviews were biased then now that the card is out unbiosed reviews will be done... and any deceitful info will be show...
I see that as short term gain but long term loss... i can't see nVidia gaining much market share doing deceitful stuff that way...
well more reviews will be done in the next few days... and we will see...
I see that as short term gain but long term loss... i can't see nVidia gaining much market share doing deceitful stuff that way...
well more reviews will be done in the next few days... and we will see...
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Coaxing and honest, don't really mix, no reason to coax if it's honest.
The problem is some usually 'reputable' do unreputable things, the HQV nVidia provided slide in the review here at THG makes me say: WTF!
I agree that evetually it all comes out in the wash, but you have to question why the need to do something with a part that obviously has potential and does well? If true, it's not that the news/reviews may be false, it's that the news/reviews were finessed for whatever reason that's a little distasteful.
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Exactly, so why do it?
And why did THG post the nV supplied HQV results and not run their own tests like Crashman did in the review just before it?
And why did THG post the nV supplied HQV results and not run their own tests like Crashman did in the review just before it?
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Perhaps it is ATI that is trying to make nVidia look bad.
Who is to say that OCcafe isn't getting influenced by the "Dark side" or jealous that they didn't get selected to do the review.
Another reason that just crossed my mind is the consideration of the price of the card... you give out 10 cards.. that is $5,000 just given away... some marketing people just might want to minimize that...
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All the more reason to go with ATI.
P.S. No flaming allowed, I'm just passing along some information.By saying "All the more reason to go with ATI." you yourself are "flaming" Nvida as you're suggesting someone to not choose their product. If you have any evidence to prove the X1950XTX is actually faster than the Geforce 8800GTX, then be my guest and post it; until then, I don't care who Nvidia sends their hardware to for review as long as it's the fastest I can get for the money.
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and further more you can say all you want that you are just the messenger and don't flame, but when you bring such biased one sided news, I question your motive.
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Nope, it's not flaming because I don't buy products from companies that have to cheat in order to attempt to get a win.
I'm sorry, perhaps I should have been more specific about my statement.
I'm not a fanboy the slightest bit, I'm just not going to support a company that basically has to select a fanboy site to say nothing negative about there graphics cards in the review.
If they have to be specific in which sites they select for reviews in order to get a good review that basically tells me there is something they are hiding.
If ATI does the same thing...I dunno what I'll do. LOL
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But it is flaming.
The fact they chose certain sites for reviewing their new chips doesn't necessarily mean they are cheating.
It could as well mean they sent cards to sites they believe to be impartial. And in that sense, the article you referred to in your post specific states that not a single review comes from a site whose integrity they question.
BTW, which fanboy reviewing site you are referring to?
From my part I just think you were a little quick in your judgment that something might be stinking at Nvidia.
The fact they chose certain sites for reviewing their new chips doesn't necessarily mean they are cheating.
It could as well mean they sent cards to sites they believe to be impartial. And in that sense, the article you referred to in your post specific states that not a single review comes from a site whose integrity they question.
BTW, which fanboy reviewing site you are referring to?
From my part I just think you were a little quick in your judgment that something might be stinking at Nvidia.
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Errrr... you mean AMD/ATI whose systems go along well with NVidia?
I'll stick to NVidia while they produce great cards and have superior technology.
I thought both Nvidia and ATI "cheated" as much as possible to get market shares? All is fair in business and love or something like that.
Imho it seems that ppl who have good experience/like/love/fanboy either ATI or Nvidia always come up with ways to make the other camp "look bad".
Personally, ATI isnt even on my list when I'm looking for a graphics card . Too many bad drivers and incompatibilities with games for my taste. I rather have a gfx card that I can play games (other than FPS that is) with and not only benchmark.
Imho it seems that ppl who have good experience/like/love/fanboy either ATI or Nvidia always come up with ways to make the other camp "look bad".
Personally, ATI isnt even on my list when I'm looking for a graphics card . Too many bad drivers and incompatibilities with games for my taste.
I rather have a gfx card that I can play games (other than FPS that is) with and not only benchmark. 
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The same is true for me.
But it is stupid to avoid one company in favor of the other just because company 'a' uses marketing strategies that every single other company uses, including company 'b.' If there are any completely honest and straightforward big businesses out there, more power to them but I think any company that can throw multi-billion dollar R&D team's on a project to "get a win" are probably having to buy a few closets to hide all their skeletons.
But it is stupid to avoid one company in favor of the other just because company 'a' uses marketing strategies that every single other company uses, including company 'b.' If there are any completely honest and straightforward big businesses out there, more power to them but I think any company that can throw multi-billion dollar R&D team's on a project to "get a win" are probably having to buy a few closets to hide all their skeletons.
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I can see where such info could be taken negatively. I would like to think it wasn't meant that way on Nvidias part although I like N and ATI both equally.
It could also be that they intended to distribute a certain number for reviews and only wanted to push those units to the most known/respected/visited sites by hardware fans/enthusiasts.
Its certainly ambiguous enough to be taken either way.
Besides, as enthusiasts, we know good and well Nvidia has captured the crown by a good margin for the time being. ATI will likely answer in a few months and stomp a mudhole in Nvidia at which time they'll fire back again and so on. I'm not that worried about either company taking cheap shots at each other because they've both done it in the past and although I'd love to think they're in it to please us, they are all in it for the money as well. Peace
It could also be that they intended to distribute a certain number for reviews and only wanted to push those units to the most known/respected/visited sites by hardware fans/enthusiasts.
Its certainly ambiguous enough to be taken either way.
Besides, as enthusiasts, we know good and well Nvidia has captured the crown by a good margin for the time being. ATI will likely answer in a few months and stomp a mudhole in Nvidia at which time they'll fire back again and so on. I'm not that worried about either company taking cheap shots at each other because they've both done it in the past and although I'd love to think they're in it to please us, they are all in it for the money as well. Peace
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Well, it only makes sense to have a "controlled" stream of cards going out for review. I think you are painting an incredibly bleak picture of corporate strong-arming, when in reality, they just decided not to send the Inquirer a $650 card so they could write a moronic review about it and waste everybody's time.
E.G. if I was Intel, I sure as hell wouldn't send Sharikou the latest CPUs so he could write "reviews" about them. It will be interesting, though, to see if nV still sends cards to overclockercafe.com or not. I agree with not sending cards to sites that are known for trollism, but not sending cards to sites just because they criticize something about your company is a totally different thing.
E.G. if I was Intel, I sure as hell wouldn't send Sharikou the latest CPUs so he could write "reviews" about them. It will be interesting, though, to see if nV still sends cards to overclockercafe.com or not. I agree with not sending cards to sites that are known for trollism, but not sending cards to sites just because they criticize something about your company is a totally different thing.
Bottom line is that the 8800 series wipes the floor with all existing ATi cards, how Nvidia behaves in advertising or marketing their products is irrelevant to the end user. I dont think many people will be saying "well I know the 8800 rules, but I'll go for the inferior ATi because their manufacturer are such honest folk".
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