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Video Card suggestion--AGP 100-140$ Please help

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November 10, 2006 8:40:26 PM

So I've shopped around, and found a card I like, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681..., but, I would just like to know if you guys have any better suggestions for AGP video cards in the 100-140 dollar range.

I also was looking at the XFX 6800.

Any suggestions would be useful, also, specs and benchmark/review links would make my day.

Thx
Nizzi
November 10, 2006 8:55:37 PM

This has been the topic of the day. This should help...
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/31/the_best_video_c...

In that price range, the X850pro gets my vote. For sm3.0 support, you're looking at a 7600GS, or X1650pro, but IMO anything less than a 7600GT isn't worth buying JUST for sm3.0.
November 10, 2006 9:16:46 PM

X800 XT is also a fantastic card. Been using it for months now and it plays everything great!
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November 10, 2006 9:27:29 PM

Newegg currently has an X850XT for $139.99 plus shipping right now. If you can spring for the extra few dollars for shipping, I think that would be a good deal. I wish I could get one but the performace boost for me wouldn't be worth the time and money to me as I have an X800GTO modded to X800XL specs.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
November 10, 2006 9:46:22 PM

Nice find.
November 10, 2006 11:48:45 PM

Quote:
Which would you suggest and why:

Sapphire X850XT http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

or

X850 Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Both are 140 dollars.
Both sound amazing.


The X850XT is hands down better than the X850Pro :!:

X850XT:
16 pixel pipelines
520MHz core
540MHz (DDR1080) memory

X850Pro
12 pixel pipelines
500MHz core
500MHZ (DDR1000) memory

From the specifications, it should be clear that the XT is faster than the Pro. The question in my mind is "Why are they both the same price?" :?
November 11, 2006 3:35:52 AM

Thats a PCI x16, were discussing AGP.

Ya, outdated, but im poor, so its my only choice lol.
November 11, 2006 3:58:33 AM

Quote:
Thats a PCI x16, were discussing AGP.

Ya, outdated, but im poor, so its my only choice lol.

I'm drunk, ignore me :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
November 11, 2006 4:03:23 AM

im drunk too its midnight whwere i am.
and about bed time for me :lol: 
November 11, 2006 4:32:24 AM

it might be cheaper in the long run to get a cheap mobo with pcie. that is what i am doing [along with a cpu i got a celeron right now]. a 7600 gt on agp is 200 bucks but a pcie is about 135. just a suggestion. personally thankfully its almost x-mas the wifey is buying my parts for me yay. :wink:
November 11, 2006 5:07:58 AM

Quote:
it might be cheaper in the long run to get a cheap mobo with pcie. that is what i am doing [along with a cpu i got a celeron right now]. a 7600 gt on agp is 200 bucks but a pcie is about 135. just a suggestion. personally thankfully its almost x-mas the wifey is buying my parts for me yay. :wink:


How practicle it is to buy an AGP card now depends on many factors:
Your economic situation.
Current hardware.
Expeted future upgrades.
What games you play now.
What games you anticipate getting in the future.

For me, I don't plan to get any new games for probably at least 6 months maybe a year or more so it doesn't make sense for me to buy a new system when I play BF2 an CS:S. Both will run fine on my X800GTO > X800XL and on my laptop with Go6800. I also don't have much money right now as I am in my last year of college.
November 11, 2006 2:12:55 PM

Well, the AGP card is only temporary, as I plan on upgrading to a Core 2 Duo e6400 OC'd. I wanted to go with crossfire, because from what Ive read crossfires can generally outperform sli, and for less.

But im impatiant, and the parents are buying, so I jumped right ahead lol.

Thx for the help tho, keep em coming!
November 12, 2006 9:51:25 PM

Well, the X1650 would be okay and looks like a decent price after the rebate but here are a couple of other considerations:

X850Pro
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

7600GS
Watch the clock speeds on the different versions. Particularly look at the memory speed as there is a lot of deviation between brands.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Order=RAT...

The X850Pro would certainly be faster than the X1650Pro but it is near the top of your budget. I'm not totally sure if the 7600GS is better than the X1650Pro but I think it is.
November 13, 2006 1:54:35 AM

At stock, an X1650pro is better than a 7600GS. To the OP: Considering your situation, my vote easily goes to the X850pro.
November 13, 2006 2:30:20 AM

ok, and wat is Vivo, or AVIVO?
November 13, 2006 4:40:51 AM

I believe that VIVO stands for Video In - Video Out.
I don't recall seeing AVIVO before. I would presume that it means Audio Video In - Video Out.
November 13, 2006 11:15:29 AM

Ah, AVIVO is ATI's platform for higher quality image and video.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVIVO

Sry, it was a little off topic, I just always saw it on the graphic card specs.

Have any of you guys had any experience with nvidia's quaddro?
November 13, 2006 1:21:01 PM

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Have any of you guys had any experience with nvidia's quaddro?

I haven't ever used one personally but I know that the Quaddro cards target the workstation graphics market. They have features that make them good at things like Solidworks and other professional software that are 3D intensive. These features do not help gaming performance in any way as far as I understand.
November 13, 2006 2:36:42 PM

Quote:

Have any of you guys had any experience with nvidia's quaddro?


The quaddro is a great CAD card, but for gaming... not so much.
November 13, 2006 7:36:01 PM

Grr figured that.

What about unlocking the 4 extra pipelines on the x850 pro, with adequate cooling, it would seem that u could OC the core and memory clock difference, and, barring possible tech differences, it could be pretty much the same at the x850 xt. Im probably being naive, but its just a thought.
November 13, 2006 7:40:03 PM

X850 PRO is a great card stock. If it mods, great, but you don't need to mod it to have fun with it.
November 14, 2006 9:29:09 PM

I wouldn't recomend it.
November 15, 2006 6:44:15 PM

Any suggestions for Nvidia tweaked drivers?
November 15, 2006 10:53:02 PM

Better question:

Do tweaked drivers do anything other than changing nvidia's (if u use nvidia) control panel options?
November 22, 2006 1:48:35 PM

Ok new comparison:

1. Sapphire Radeon X800GTO
Most people have had luck with unlocking the 4 extra pipelines.
400 Mhz Core Clock
980 Mhz Memory Clock
256 MB, 256-bit GDDR3
Smartshader, Smoothvision, & 3Dc image enhancement.

Heat sink sucks, gonna waste more money buying after-marker

2. ATI Radeon X850 Pro
Some luck with unlocking 4 extra cores.
520 Core Clock
540 Memory Clock
256 MB, 256-bit GDDR3
Smartshader, smoothvision, Hyper z hd, & video shader.


Both are going to cost me the same, apart from buying the after-market cooler if I plan on going with OCing the x800GTO.

Your thoughts?
November 22, 2006 2:31:47 PM

Both have the exact same features because they use the same core.

X850 PRO is a way better card because the clocks are so much higher.
November 22, 2006 3:02:52 PM

I agree with Cleeve.

To save a few bucks, go over to chiefvalue.com.

They have the X850Pro for $135 including shipping.
November 22, 2006 3:07:44 PM

Does the X850's 120 Mhz core clock advantage really overcome the X800GTO's 440 Mhz memory clock advantage?
November 22, 2006 4:50:52 PM

The GTO has no memory speed advantage.

Memory speeds are listed in either actual or DDR ('double data rate', also known as 'effective').

You have listed the GTO in DDR memory speeds, and the PRO in actual speed:

The X800 GTO runs 490 Mhz actual speed, or 980 Mhz DDR/effective

The X850 PRO runs 540 Mhz actual speed, or 1080 Mhz DDR/effective...

So the X850 PRO memory clocks are higher. Any way you slice it, the PRO is a faster card.
a b U Graphics card
November 22, 2006 5:34:21 PM

those x8## cards are great but the one they dont have sm3.0
some future games are going to sm3.0.

the new splintercell i believe is, which means the x8## series
cards wont play it.

just something to think about.
November 22, 2006 6:14:50 PM

Yes, splinter cell doesn't support SM 2.0.

Which is a very odd decision in the big scheme of things, since every other SM 3,0 game in existance has a SM 2.0 path for older cards.

I'm not sure if it was a marketing decision, but the developers of the new Splinter Cell made a real strange call on that one. I don't know of any other game in existance that limited their own market like that. Odd.
November 22, 2006 6:47:52 PM

Quote:
Ok new comparison:

1. Sapphire Radeon X800GTO
Most people have had luck with unlocking the 4 extra pipelines.
400 Mhz Core Clock
980 Mhz Memory Clock
256 MB, 256-bit GDDR3
Smartshader, Smoothvision, & 3Dc image enhancement.

Heat sink sucks, gonna waste more money buying after-marker

2. ATI Radeon X850 Pro
Some luck with unlocking 4 extra cores.
520 Core Clock
540 Memory Clock
256 MB, 256-bit GDDR3
Smartshader, smoothvision, Hyper z hd, & video shader.


Both are going to cost me the same, apart from buying the after-market cooler if I plan on going with OCing the x800GTO.

Your thoughts?


The Sapphire cards (red ones I don't know about the blue ones) do seem to have a high rate of unlockability. In fact, I haven't heard of anyone who has tried and been unsuccessful. I have a Sapphire AGP X800GTO that unlocked to 16 pipes and I have helped several other people unlock their cards.

The heatsink on the red GTOs is not that bad and you likely won't be able to overclock it much even if you put a better heatsink on it. The memory will clock pretty high but the R430 core, which most of the Sapphire cards seem to come with, doesn't overclock beyond about 440-450 unless you volt-mod it. I have mine at 444MHz core and 528MHz (DDR-1056MHz) with the fan at 100%. I have ATItool set up so that it underclocks and slows the fan down when I'm not playing a game.

An unlocked X800GTO is about equivelant to a stock X850Pro and that is why I didn't recomend it in my earlier post. At the same price, you are better off with one you don't have to mod. In fact, I have heard that there is a chance of unlocking the X850Pro which would be even more awesome.
December 6, 2006 11:24:45 AM

Ah thx, sry for the mix up btw.

I just wish that they would leave the X850 XT up at newegg, maybe I'll snatch it sometime soon.
a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2006 1:52:52 PM

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Which is a very odd decision in the big scheme of things, since every other SM 3,0 game in existance has a SM 2.0 path for older cards.

I'm not sure if it was a marketing decision, but the developers of the new Splinter Cell made a real strange call on that one. I don't know of any other game in existance that limited their own market like that. Odd.


While I agree it's strange that they are going there right now (I think TWIBTBP has something to do with it too), I think this is the way things will be going for many new games though as the new 'base' can easily be established as SM3.0/OGL2++ with the Wii, PS3, X360 all sharing SM3.0/OGL2+ capable hardware, and the base of SM3.0 cards out there is large enough for the new 'must have' games to go that route, especially since it means slightly less work for the devs. I doubt that this will be something that the majority will do, more a minority play (and based on the Splinter Cell / UBi history I think this has more to do with dealmaking than programming).
December 6, 2006 4:56:17 PM

My buddy has a 6600 GT and the new Splinter Cell refuses to play on it, citing that his card is too old.

That sounds really weird to me seeing as how the 6600 has SM 3.0. I haven't personally checked it out though, but he's a competent computer user and I can't imagine what is going on there...
a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2006 7:13:41 PM

I don't know. The GF6600 has all the features of the GF6800, it's the GF6200 series that has some removed features.

I wonder if it's an arbitrary thing where the game looks for the deviceID.
a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2006 11:19:08 PM

i had a similar situation with a mobo and a dualcore processor.
it would not read both cores.
tried bios flash and everythingelse under the sun.

even different x2 cpu,s, the fix was an older mobo.

seems wierd maybe the sm3.0 is out on that 66gt?
December 7, 2006 12:40:39 PM

Yeah, the only thing I could think was, did the developers prevent the game from working on specific cards if they didn';t deem them fast enough? Seems like commercial suicide to me...

Then I did some research... it looks like Splinter Cell Double Agent is super buggy. Some peoplr are having success with the 6600 GT, but lots of people are getting all manner of bugs and problems. I guess this is just one of them.
December 7, 2006 3:20:00 PM

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Yeah, the only thing I could think was, did the developers prevent the game from working on specific cards if they didn';t deem them fast enough? Seems like commercial suicide to me...

Then I did some research... it looks like Splinter Cell Double Agent is super buggy. Some peoplr are having success with the 6600 GT, but lots of people are getting all manner of bugs and problems. I guess this is just one of them.


Just goes to illustrate the increase in programming challenges for gaming software. No doubt this challenge increases with DX10/SM4.0 instructions being such a dramatic departure from DX9/SM3.0
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