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November 11, 2006 4:41:47 PM

Is this the card I should buy now?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

I was planning on getting a X1900XT but I can't find it, and X1950XT seems to be in the same price range.

Trying to order my computer this weekend, so if that is a nice card for the money, let me know.

Thanks.

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November 11, 2006 4:55:24 PM

Recommended by the VGA charts for the price range as far as I know. Definitely a good card for the $.

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Supposedly, ATI will release the X1950 XT this month, which should be a recommended buy once it becomes available--assuming it can be bought in this price segment. Until then, keep your eyes out for X1900 XTs and 7900 GTOs, in case they resurface in the $250 range.
November 11, 2006 6:07:56 PM

I bought mine a couple days ago for $329 CAD. It's supposed to perform between a x1900xtx and the x1950xtx...but that's just the chat in some forums right now...I haven't found any legit reviews yet.

So for the price it's a good deal.
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November 11, 2006 6:29:11 PM

yeah I cant find any benchmarks either.

I guess I might as well order it, when did it come out btw?
a b U Graphics card
November 11, 2006 8:30:56 PM

You can't beat a X1950XT for $260. And to clearly beat it you have to spend almostt $400 for the X1950XTX. I'm guessing it will trade blows with the X1900XTX.
November 12, 2006 1:59:07 PM

I would get the X1900XT 512MB instead.
The X1950XT will give u better performance, but ATI has finally cought up to ppl buying the X1900XT instead of the X1900XTX because they are the same card, so they gave it only 256MB.
This dosent mean much in terms of textures, but it does mean that u will only be able to utilize "high" textures and not "ultra-high" and for DX10 games, probably "medium" or less.

Not to mention that less VRAM means that the performance will be lower, cause most games today take more than 256MB even at the resolution of 1024x768!
http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=33&page=4

The X1950XT has only one thing better than the X1900XT anyway - Memory Bandwidth. What does this have to do with? Texures, but since u have only 256MB.. u wont really see much of a performance improvement over the X1900XT. ATI has made sure that the X1950XTX will still be bought..
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=377&card2...
November 12, 2006 3:30:53 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?Item...

Would that be a better choice then since it is 512mb?



Also, would this be a decent motherboard choice to go with a c2d 6300 and one of those video cards?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...


Or is there something better? With 2 gigs of ram, the 7950GT/X1950XT, c2d 6300, and that motherboard would I be doing okay? What would most likely bottleneck my performance?

Also, I was planning on ordering this case:
----- RAIDMAX SMILODON ATX-612WBP Black SECC STEEL ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail -89$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?item...

Would that PSU do me well, or should I just order a case and a seperate PSU?
November 12, 2006 4:02:10 PM

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I would get the X1900XT 512MB instead.
The X1950XT will give u better performance, but ATI has finally cought up to ppl buying the X1900XT instead of the X1900XTX because they are the same card, so they gave it only 256MB.
This dosent mean much in terms of textures, but it does mean that u will only be able to utilize "high" textures and not "ultra-high" and for DX10 games, probably "medium" or less.

Not to mention that less VRAM means that the performance will be lower, cause most games today take more than 256MB even at the resolution of 1024x768!
http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=33&page=4

The X1950XT has only one thing better than the X1900XT anyway - Memory Bandwidth. What does this have to do with? Texures, but since u have only 256MB.. u wont really see much of a performance improvement over the X1900XT. ATI has made sure that the X1950XTX will still be bought..
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=377&card2...


Track, can you even find an X1900XT with 512MB anymore? Don't get me wrong, it's a great card, but it seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. Even the 256MB version is becoming a scarce commodity. The X1950XT is similarly priced and has a higher memory clock, not bandwidth. Best of all, you can actually find it!

To TrenchToaster: The X1950XT is generally a better performing card. Its predecessor the X1900XT 256MB generally outperformed the 7950GT in these Anandtech benchies. Having a unified shader architecture and a higher core clock help the X1950 more, though it does run hotter, and the fan is loud (though aftermarkets such as the Accelero X2 or even watercooling can remedy this).

On the flip side, eVGA, an Nvidia manufacturer, offers the step-up program, allowing you to trade in a card within 90 days of purchasing it for a better card (say a DX 10 card when it's a little cheaper). You only pay the difference in price between the two cards. Visit eVGA's website to see the ramifications of this program, as you can only buy from select merchants, you can only "step-up" once, etc.

That mobo is open-box, besides already being a cheapie. Get it new if you want it, and check the Newegg reviews beforehand. Don't buy open box, you have no idea what shape it's in.

The case seems okay, but I recommend getting a separate PSU, the ones that come in the cases tend to be of low quality.
November 12, 2006 4:48:31 PM

Im sorry djplanet, but u dont know what ur talking abt.

@Trenchtoaster: Dont buy the 7950 GT. Either 7900 GTO or X1900XT 512MB. Those are the 2 best cards on earth. You should find more X1900XTs than X1950XTs, since the X1950XT was silently launched and with 256MB its not a good idea to get it anyway. It's performance would be actually lower.
a b U Graphics card
November 12, 2006 5:20:44 PM

I disagree Track. No benchies yet, but I fully expect that there will be very few games tested at best playable settings that the 512MB X1900XT will beat the X1950XT 256MB. Hopefully we will see reviews soon that either back that up or prove it wrong. Both would be good buys if priced near each other, but from what I have seen the 512MB 1900's are over $300 right now, IMO, making the X1950XT a much better buy.
November 12, 2006 5:21:18 PM

I'll concede that the X1900XT 512MB can still be found (my bad), but it has since ballooned in price (around $400 or so). You can still find the X1900XT 256MB for under $300, but the same can be said of the X1950XT. Their are no published benchies of the X1950XT, but it's similar to the X1900XT 256MB other than its faster memory clock, thus it should be either the same or slightly faster in performance and never slower.

I recommend the X1950XT, but if you want to wait for ironclad benchies, that's fine. If you have to have a proven card NOW, go ahead and get the X1900XT 256MB. Under no circumstances should you get the 512 MB version, for $400 you could get the X1900XTX.

The 7900GTO is a fine card as well, rumored to be a clearance of 7900GTX cores, thus it can be overclocked to those card's speeds. But those were snatched up quickly, and naturally there was a limited supply. A good buy if you can find it under $300.

I know the 7950GT is a slower card, I just mentioned it because of eVGA's step-up program, in case he wants DX10 in the next 3 months. No ATI manufacturers offer this.

Memory size isn't the supreme ruler to which all graphics cards should be held, examine the benchmarks. Specs are worthless without superior performance to back them up.

Edit: Thanks for the vindication Pauldh and Trench.
November 12, 2006 5:34:42 PM

It's out of stock (no surprise here) with no ETA date. It is a good deal, you could wait to see if it gets back in stock, no guarantees it will though.
a b U Graphics card
November 12, 2006 5:56:38 PM

IMO, no way. The slower clocked X1900XT 256MB usually beats that card, so the X1950XT with another 350MHz mem clocks will easily beat it.
November 12, 2006 7:33:31 PM

You are wrong, stop posting. The X1900XT 512MB should cost 300$ now and the price just keeps going down. It is NOT 400, no ATI card is above 350$.

The X1950XT may have a faster clock, and thus more bandwidth, but it has too little memory. So the card will have to use the regular PC RAM aswell as the VRAM, wich is must slower and because of that it will loose the performance it should have gained. So they will be equal, except that 512MB can get u much better IQ with higher textures currently and in the future.

X1900XT 512MB ~300$ or 7900 GTO 512MB ~260$

Either of those!
November 12, 2006 7:47:26 PM

Antec LifeStyle SONATA II Piano Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450Watt SmartPower 2.0 ATX 12V V2.0 for AMD & Intel systems Power Supply - Retail

SAPPHIRE 100186L Radeon X1950XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Standard System Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ - Retail

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6300 - Retail

SONY Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1615/B2s - OEM

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM


Is what I ended up going with.
November 12, 2006 7:51:35 PM

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Antec LifeStyle SONATA II Piano Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450Watt SmartPower 2.0 ATX 12V V2.0 for AMD & Intel systems Power Supply - Retail

SAPPHIRE 100186L Radeon X1950XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Standard System Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ - Retail

GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6300 - Retail

SONY Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1615/B2s - OEM

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM


Is what I ended up going with.


No no no.

That is NOT good at all.

You need at least a 500w, preferably 600w+ PSU.
You need a 512MB card.
You need DDR2-667 or else ur going to have to UNDERCLOCK the RAM.
You need to overclock the E6300 for it to be in a 1:1 ratio with the RAM, but u can only overclock it to 400Mhz MAX and thats with a high-end cooler.
November 12, 2006 8:14:13 PM

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No no no.

That is NOT good at all.

You need at least a 500w, preferably 600w+ PSU.
You need a 512MB card.
You need DDR2-667 or else ur going to have to UNDERCLOCK the RAM.
You need to overclock the E6300 for it to be in a 1:1 ratio with the RAM, but u can only overclock it to 400Mhz MAX and thats with a high-end cooler.


450w will do fine, I wont be using more than one hardrive, I wont have more than one video card, and no PCI slots most likely.

Why would I need a 512mb card for WoW? The X1950XT will work fine.

The motherboard supports DDR2 800, and the RAM I chose is also DDR2 800.

That processor was cheap, and recommended. And free shipping this weekend =p
November 12, 2006 8:30:00 PM

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No no no.

That is NOT good at all.

You need at least a 500w, preferably 600w+ PSU.
You need a 512MB card.
You need DDR2-667 or else ur going to have to UNDERCLOCK the RAM.
You need to overclock the E6300 for it to be in a 1:1 ratio with the RAM, but u can only overclock it to 400Mhz MAX and thats with a high-end cooler.


450w will do fine, I wont be using more than one hardrive, I wont have more than one video card, and no PCI slots most likely.

Why would I need a 512mb card for WoW? The X1950XT will work fine.

The motherboard supports DDR2 800, and the RAM I chose is also DDR2 800.

That processor was cheap, and recommended. And free shipping this weekend =p

With 450w ur cutting it close to ur PSU dying and ur PC along with it.
450w for the highest end card possble AND the highest end CPU? You insane!

Why 512MB? http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=33&page=4

You cannot have ur memory at 400Mhz and ur CPU at 266Mhz, they will not run at ALL! You will have to underclock ut RAM and if u cant, ur screwed.
November 12, 2006 9:15:51 PM

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No no no.

That is NOT good at all.

You need at least a 500w, preferably 600w+ PSU.
You need a 512MB card.
You need DDR2-667 or else ur going to have to UNDERCLOCK the RAM.
You need to overclock the E6300 for it to be in a 1:1 ratio with the RAM, but u can only overclock it to 400Mhz MAX and thats with a high-end cooler.


450w will do fine, I wont be using more than one hardrive, I wont have more than one video card, and no PCI slots most likely.

Why would I need a 512mb card for WoW? The X1950XT will work fine.

The motherboard supports DDR2 800, and the RAM I chose is also DDR2 800.

That processor was cheap, and recommended. And free shipping this weekend =p

With 450w ur cutting it close to ur PSU dying and ur PC along with it.
450w for the highest end card possble AND the highest end CPU? You insane!

Why 512MB? http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=33&page=4

You cannot have ur memory at 400Mhz and ur CPU at 266Mhz, they will not run at ALL! You will have to underclock ut RAM and if u cant, ur screwed.
I'm agreeing with Strange here. I recommend beefing up on your computer knowledge before misleading good, honest people needing help. Maybe you should join that club of good, honest people.

450w on a PSU is going to be fine.

You can run RAM out of sync with CPUs. Synced ram is recommended from a performance standpoint but there's nothing stating that it wouldn't run. As a matter of fact, on some overclocks, the ram is actually slower because it couldn't keep up with the overclock on the CPU. Faster RAM assures that the overhead is there for the overclocks, especially with a 6300 (which can be pushed far).

Remember kids, if you don't know what you're talking about, beef up on it before you post! Ask for help with clarifications and the knowledgable folks will be glad to clarify any confusions.

Best of luck with your build, Trench!
November 12, 2006 9:53:55 PM

Thanks for the support, only thing I am really unsure of is the case/psu combo.. but whatever 59.99 after a 40 dollar rebate. Sounds good to me.
November 12, 2006 10:04:43 PM

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track you little noob, how about you stop posting. jesus, ever since you have got on these forums you always come out with unsubstantiated crap, and usually run away from threads when you lose.

leave, everyone alone. you do not need over 500W for a single GPU system unless you use loads of everything else, you do not need 512MB's. it can help in some games but only really at max settings at high res.

he doesn't need to overclock or underclock anything. serioulsy, STFU.

jesus, why are you still here.( and don't say the same thing back you little POS)


What burns me is he won't provide any links to back himself up. It's a little hard for me to provide links to prove something DOES NOT exist. So I say to Track:

Check Pricegrabber, check Newegg, check Pricewatch, check Froogle, check whatever. Link a sub $300 X1900XT 512MB that's in stock and new, then we'll talk. Until then, get off your high horse, because I don't have time for pointless flaming.
a b U Graphics card
November 12, 2006 11:09:51 PM

Cheapest I know about for a 512MB X1900XT is actually for a Crossfire Edition (master card): $300 and change shipped.
http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=76734

I think Newegg recently had this card for about $311 shipped.
a c 175 U Graphics card
November 13, 2006 12:21:28 AM

Now I see why you linked to Quake4. HL2 and FEAR didn't show any performance gaps between 256MB and 512MB cards. (there were some minor difference, but I don't get excited over 1 or 2 frames.) One out of two games has a difference between 256Mb and 512MB. Whoppie. Considering how old WoW is, I doubt it would matter.

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no ATI card is above 350$.


Since when? How about one over $400?

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

Judging by the stupidity of your statement, and the fact you put the $ in the wrong place, I'll bet your conversion was off from whatever currency you use.
(that or you are an idiot) Now go prove djplanet wrong.
November 13, 2006 1:29:37 AM

Track maybe you should just stick to posting at GPUReview where you have flooded the forum with your wisdom.

http://www.gpureview.com/forums/

or better yet

GET OFF THE INTERNET !
November 13, 2006 3:02:29 AM

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You need to overclock the E6300 for it to be in a 1:1 ratio with the RAM, but u can only overclock it to 400Mhz MAX and thats with a high-end cooler.


ROTFLMAO! yeah tell that to the guys running in the 3.4+ghz range :roll:
November 13, 2006 2:51:56 PM

Okay ordered everything. Now I need a new monitor, any suggestions?

I like the crisp bright and colorful quality of CRTs for movies and games, and I am worried that a LCD monitor would be dull and ghost or come with dead pixels. Anyone have any suggestions?

CRT monitor I was looking at (1600x1200)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?Item...

LCD (1280x1024)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...


Would I do fine with that LCD? I would rather save the room and have it look nice physically. I don't think I would want to give up the quality and brightness of a CRT though, if it comes to that.
November 13, 2006 3:29:46 PM

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Cheapest I know about for a 512MB X1900XT is actually for a Crossfire Edition (master card): $300 and change shipped.
http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=76734

I think Newegg recently had this card for about $311 shipped.


MSI has a weird thing right now where the Master card is going for 290 after MIR but the rebate is for $150, so it's a bit odd. It should be a X1900XT 512 as far as performance goes.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
November 13, 2006 8:42:32 PM

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Okay ordered everything. Now I need a new monitor, any suggestions?

I like the crisp bright and colorful quality of CRTs for movies and games, and I am worried that a LCD monitor would be dull and ghost or come with dead pixels. Anyone have any suggestions?

CRT monitor I was looking at (1600x1200)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?Item...

LCD (1280x1024)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...


Would I do fine with that LCD? I would rather save the room and have it look nice physically. I don't think I would want to give up the quality and brightness of a CRT though, if it comes to that.

Depends on your desk configuration. Health is always more important that quality. If you have a desk that has room for a CRT without turning your back or your keybaord, I say it might be nice. However, if you have a desk that obviously doesn't have room for the CRT, then the LCD is a much better idea. Also remember that (from personal experiance), CRTs can have ghosting problems and the brightness is actually alot more like dimness. After going LCD, I can never go back.

Basically, it's up to health concerns first, followed by the wallet, followed by personal preference.
a c 175 U Graphics card
November 13, 2006 8:49:34 PM

I dislike being locked into only one resolution, so I vote for the CRT. If you get the LCD, what happens when you want to try gaming at 1600x1200? What happens 2 years from now when a new game comes out that you want to play, but its so intense that you can't run it at 1280x1024 without turning details off? If gaming is your thing, then stay with CRT. If you dont' game, then grab an LCD.
November 13, 2006 8:53:33 PM

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I dislike being locked into only one resolution, so I vote for the CRT. If you get the LCD, what happens when you want to try gaming at 1600x1200? What happens 2 years from now when a new game comes out that you want to play, but its so intense that you can't run it at 1280x1024 without turning details off? If gaming is your thing, then stay with CRT. If you dont' game, then grab an LCD.

Pardon me, kind sir with many numbers in his name, but since when do LCDs not have the ability to run at resolutions lower than their max? The 1600x1200 arguement I understand, but 1280x1024 is just as good when the colors look far more vibrant and meaty while not having the pixel density.

I change my previous recommendation and say LCD all the way.
a c 175 U Graphics card
November 13, 2006 9:19:02 PM

Its called the native resolution of the LCD, every LCD has one. X number of pixel wide, by x number of pixels high. Unlike CRTs, LCDs pixels are STUCK. If you have an LCD that shows 1280x1024 pixels, thats the res your stuck with. You can go down from there, but then you introduce interpolation, which can make what your viewing look very bad. Even worse, you can't go any higher. If your LCD is stuck at 1280x1024, no gaming at 1600x1200, or higher. (lets not go into the refreash rates/visible frames for LCDs, I'm not ready for that...)

As I mentioned earlier, if you do a lot of gaming, stick with a CRT. You can adjust your pixels as needed, depending on the game and your hardware.
November 13, 2006 9:57:10 PM

Saying that the difference between 512 and 256mb will make you step from ultra-high textures to medium is SEVERE disinformation. In the worst case scenarios it handicaps you 10fps.
November 14, 2006 2:38:07 PM

Did I need to buy a seperat heatsink with the C2D 6300? Or will I be fine.
November 14, 2006 3:12:47 PM

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i'm not too great with overclocking myself but i am sure you can get over 400mhz out of the 6300 with the stock cooler no?


You mean over 400mhz O/C or 400mhz FSB? Cos either is possible on the stock cooler!
November 15, 2006 1:51:40 AM

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Did I need to buy a seperat heatsink with the C2D 6300? Or will I be fine.


If you aren't overclocking, it will work. If you're overclocking a little bit, it will work. If you're overclocking a lot, want quieter operation, and/or want low temps, get an aftermarket cooler.
November 16, 2006 12:56:40 AM

the X1950Xt have HDCP Ready and X1900XTX dont right?
I will think it have better Features than X1900s.
I can Run ALL game with MAX AA+ temp and Max HQ AF on 1600x1200.

Here is my Stock X1950xt 3Dmark05 and 06 results.
X1950XT Stock
AMD X2 4200+ 2.7Ghz OC
DDR500 ram 245Mhz
Abit AT8 32x Mobo
SeaGate 300GB



November 16, 2006 4:30:36 AM

What is a recommended PSU for my computer set up?
November 16, 2006 5:21:23 AM

OCZ GXS 700w, it cheap and VERY good.
this PSU can handle ALL DX9 Video cards in SLI or CF with High OCing System.
Also can handle the G8800GTS SLI with High OCing System.
If you thinking about Get G8800GTX SLI or R600 CF later. You need to get the OCZ GXS 850W.

For Sigle Card OCZ GXS 600w is very good also.

Sigle card all the way - GXS 600W

maybe going for SLI or CF with DX9 cards later - GXS 700w

DX10 cards SLI or CF - GXS 850w
November 16, 2006 12:21:48 PM

Hehe, look at what I was able to do with my air cooled X1900XT in 3dmark 05! Would have broke 14,000 marks with just a bit more OC. 06 score was 7000 just for refference.











Now I have an 8800GTX and take a look at my 06 score with a slight overclock on the GPU. This card is awesome!


November 16, 2006 10:39:59 PM

I ended up getting the ocz 600w psu.

Does this problem sound like I needed a new PSU? I ordered the Antec Sonata 2 case with the 450w PSU, installed everything and then when I started the system up it would randomly shut off during the windows XP installation. Now it wont turn on at all.
a c 175 U Graphics card
November 16, 2006 11:02:37 PM

Possible, but I would suspect overheating CPU or bad motherboard first.
November 17, 2006 2:40:26 AM

god I hope not, the motherboard was recommended and cost like 150. I also confirmed that the heatsink is in contact with the CPU, the gray paste is on it.
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