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November 11, 2006 7:00:45 PM

Hia peeps, looking for some advice for a new rig i intend to build as a Digital Audio Workstation.

I have a limited £300 ($570 usd) to upgrade, keeping sound card and dvd writer. (i've accounted £100 for case/graphic/cables etc so my total is £400)

Been looking at Pentium D820 with Asus P5LD2-VM Mobo and Crucial 1GB (2x512MB) DDR2 PC2-5300C3 667MHz Ballistix Dual Channel Kit. Also Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 160GB ST3160811AS SATA-II

I can't afford Conroe right now and need to keep this cheap (dual core for £70 seems cool to me) but i could upgrade in a year or so with this setup.

Should I go for the D820 or an AMD X2 3800+ setup?
I've heard that the AMD would be better than the intel in terms of performance for audio work. But would you recommend the intel setup anyway? I think the AMD would cost more unless I can get a solid Chip/Mobo combo from you guys.

I'm upgrading from p3 700mhz! so i'm not gonna argue about minimal performance gains as anything will be so sweet.

TIA for your input

Jim

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November 11, 2006 7:26:02 PM

X2 3800+ > Pentium D 820
November 11, 2006 7:28:10 PM

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I can't afford Conroe right now and need to keep this cheap (dual core for £70 seems cool to me) but i could upgrade in a year or so with this setup.

O RLY?

Gigabyte 965P-S3: $116
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

E6300: $183.5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Cheap-Midrange 1GB DDR2-800 RAM: $95-135
(Cheapest: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682... )

How about a newer generation hard drive? 7200.10
250GB: $75 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...

Case: Reuse

Power supply: Fortron Source 400W (Probably overkill) $37
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Video card: Reuse PCI video card, if your P3 system has one. Otherwise, go for something super cheap (<$40). Or, you can use onboard graphics if you go for a Gigabyte 965G-DS3 ($145) instead of the 965P-S3. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Total cost: Less than 570 US dollars
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November 11, 2006 7:31:32 PM

I'd be sure your setup has good airflow for the 820. They can run pretty warm, especially if you use one of the newer desktop cases that sit flat. The e6300 is only about $70 more. I'd use that and a cheap via p4m800 pro board such as the ones made by asrock or ecs. Some of these boards come with onboard agp if you don't have a video card.
November 11, 2006 7:35:15 PM

^^

Yeah, just been reading a thread further down, maybe i can afford C2d:

Asus P5VD2-MX Micro ATX (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard (MB-163-AS)
£37.99 £37.99
CP-126-IN Intel Core 2 DUO E6300 "LGA775 Allendale" 1.86GHz (1066FSB) - Retail (CP-126-IN)
£114.99 £114.99
MY-066-CS Corsair 1GB DDR2 Value Select PC4200 Dual Channel Kit (2x512MB) (VS1GBKIT533D2) (MY-066-CS)
£69.99 £69.99
HD-093-SE Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 160GB ST3160811AS SATA-II 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-093-SE)
£35.99 £35.99
GX-032-BG BFG GeForce 7300 GT OC 256MB DDR2 HDTV/DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-032-BG)
£46.99 £46.99

(from Overclockers.co.uk)


Is the E6300 @ 1.86 seriously better than D820 @ 2.8??

And the HDD, is that much better than the normal SATA drive?
November 11, 2006 7:53:16 PM

The 7200.10 is a next generation drive compared to the 7200.9.

SATA>>IDE.

7300GT? Why do you need such a good gfx card?

E6300 will dominate any Pentium

I'd get a better motherboard [see my post], so that you could OC your chip to insane speeds. The 965P-S3 clocks to 400+ FSB, so you could hit 2.8GHz easily, where you would then be RAM limited (assuming you got DDR2-800)
November 11, 2006 8:08:35 PM

I don't intend to overclock as it's better to have stability for audio.

I've just check the benchmarks on Toms and the E6300 looks loads better than the d820.

I was looking for a cheap graphics card £50 seem cheap to me but i could use my old AGP card. I was told i might not work on some mobos though.

So you think the 965 would be a good mobo for e6300? it's more than i would want to pay but i'm looking for stability.

Thoughts on the Asrock Conroe945G-DVI as it's almost 1/2 the price.

Also, i could keep my old.

could keep my old case and PSU, not sure if 350W will be enough though.

excited about c2d now!
November 11, 2006 8:15:46 PM

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Is the E6300 @ 1.86 seriously better than D820 @ 2.8??


http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=279...

* First Oblivion Test the E6300 @ 1.83Ghz vs Pentium D 820 @ 2.8Ghz

Core 2 Duo E6300 Vs Pentium D 820 (Winner E6300 by a 61.7% Advantage)

* Second Oblivion Test the Core 2 Duo E6300 vs 1.83Ghz vs Pentium D 820 @ 2.8Ghz

Core 2 Duo E6300 vs Pentium D 820 (Winner E6300 by a 66.6% Advantage)
November 11, 2006 8:41:37 PM

thanks for your advice here. I#m glad i posted as i had written off c2d but now i think i can afford it.

Here's a run down from OC uk:

Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 160GB ST3160811AS SATA-II 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-093-SE)
£35.99 £35.99
MB-063-GI Gigabyte GA_965P_S3 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard (MB-063-GI)
£79.99 £79.99
MY-035-CR Crucial 1GB (2x512MB) DDR2 PC2-5300C3 667MHz Ballistix Dual Channel Kit (BL2KIT6464AA663) (MY-035-CR)
£84.99 £84.99
CP-127-IN Intel Core 2 DUO E6400 "LGA775 Allendale" 2.13GHz (1066FSB) - Retail (CP-127-IN)
£142.99 £142.99
Subtotal £343.96
VAT £60.20
Total £404.16


I have check out the PSU requirements and i think i can keep my old grapics card, case and PSU unit as I only need 300W (got 350) This is from a 5yr old system so i hope it will still stand up.

Any thoughts?
November 11, 2006 8:54:03 PM

You need a new power supply, I seriously doubt your old power supply can power the board (24 pin power connector on the new board, 20 pin power connector on the P3).

The bad news- AGP won't work in the 965P-S3, so you need to pick up a cheap graphics card, or to a motherboard with integrated graphics.
The good news- you can pick up really cheap graphics cards which will do the job just fine.

Unless something drastic has happened in the past 5 years, you can reuse your case.

Seriously, consider overclocking the chip you get. Unless you're pushing 3.2 GHz overclocks (or overclocking the RAM past DDR2-667), the system will be rock solid.

ACTUALLY...

If you're not into extreme overclocks, the Asrock Conroe945G-DVI will do just fine. And you won't need to get a graphics card, it has integrated graphics. This board uses a 20-pin power connector. Check your power supply and see if it has a 12V (4 pin square) connector. If not, you'll need a new one.
November 11, 2006 9:22:35 PM

VAT is ugly :-(

The PSU is way overkill.

(repost from edit)
Now that I know you're not into overclocking, the Asrock Conroe945G-DVI will do just fine. And you won't need to get a graphics card, it has integrated graphics. This board uses a 20-pin power connector. Check your power supply and see if it has a 12V (4 pin square) connector. If not, you'll need a new one.
November 11, 2006 9:27:49 PM

^Munkey

So u think the e6300 is cool to OC to e6400 (+) levels and get the 7300GT (i was already considering this card) I'd probs buy retail e6300 if u think OCing it alittle bit will be totally safe (?) with the normal sink n fan.

I could handle the drop in CPU to cover graphics if i OC slightly and safely.


@ Jack/evil, my PSU is 20 pin @ 250W... just checked it. Defo gonna need a new supply (sure it was 350...oh well!)
November 12, 2006 5:01:15 AM

I hate to rain on this parade but if you want to stick with your original plan you could go with the PD 915. Same specs except it's on the new 0.065 micron process so it runs cooler and uses less power. Plus it's not much more than the 820 you were considering so upgrading would be a snap.

Please don't flame me, I just want to make sure we look at all sides of this equation!
November 12, 2006 5:16:03 AM

But it utterly and completely gets destroyed by the Athlon64 X2 3800+ for a tiny bit more.
November 12, 2006 5:49:52 AM

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But it utterly and completely gets destroyed by the Athlon64 X2 3800+ for a tiny bit more.


Yes, you are correct. But the point is his MB can already accept this chip, which is the sole reason I brought it up. :) 
November 12, 2006 6:09:37 AM

Read the OP carefully, he hasn't bought anything yet. He's using a P3-700.
November 12, 2006 9:23:40 AM

thanks for all your advice here, I'm gonna have to go for the c2d option, probs the e6400 and see if i can find another £100 for new case, psu and graphics card.

With all this power i might play some games so i'll look at the nvidia 7300 GT just for the hell of it!
November 12, 2006 10:36:54 AM

Here's my final setup, decided to throw some more money at it. It's you guys fault!

Gigabyte GA_965P_S3 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard (MB-063-GI)
£79.99 £79.99
GeIL 1GB (2x512MB) PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency DDR2 Dual Channel Kit (GX21GB6400UDC) (MY-057-GL)
£81.99 £81.99
Intel Core 2 DUO E6400 "LGA775 Allendale" 2.13GHz (1066FSB) - Retail (CP-127-IN)
£142.99 £142.99
Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 160GB ST3160811AS SATA-II 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-093-SE)
£35.99 £35.99
Antec Sonata II Piano Black Quiet Case - 450W Smart Power PSU (CA-040-AN)
£66.99 £66.99
BFG GeForce 7300 GT OC 256MB DDR2 HDTV/DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-032-BG)
£46.99 £46.99
Akasa Rounded Ultra ATA133/100/66 IDE Cable (0.45m) - Black (CB-004-GE)
£2.99 £2.99
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound (3.5g) (AC-000-AC)
£5.99 £5.99
Akasa SATA-2 45cm Silver Data Cable (CB-053-GE)
£3.99 £3.99
Subtotal £467.91
VAT £81.89
Total £549.80

Do you get SATA connection cables with the mobo or drive or should i just buy one in case?

thanks
November 12, 2006 3:38:33 PM

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Here's my final setup, decided to throw some more money at it. It's you guys fault!

Gigabyte GA_965P_S3 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard (MB-063-GI)
£79.99 £79.99
GeIL 1GB (2x512MB) PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency DDR2 Dual Channel Kit (GX21GB6400UDC) (MY-057-GL)
£81.99 £81.99
Intel Core 2 DUO E6400 "LGA775 Allendale" 2.13GHz (1066FSB) - Retail (CP-127-IN)
£142.99 £142.99
Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 160GB ST3160811AS SATA-II 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-093-SE)
£35.99 £35.99
Antec Sonata II Piano Black Quiet Case - 450W Smart Power PSU (CA-040-AN)
£66.99 £66.99
BFG GeForce 7300 GT OC 256MB DDR2 HDTV/DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-032-BG)
£46.99 £46.99
Akasa Rounded Ultra ATA133/100/66 IDE Cable (0.45m) - Black (CB-004-GE)
£2.99 £2.99
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound (3.5g) (AC-000-AC)
£5.99 £5.99
Akasa SATA-2 45cm Silver Data Cable (CB-053-GE)
£3.99 £3.99
Subtotal £467.91
VAT £81.89
Total £549.80

Do you get SATA connection cables with the mobo or drive or should i just buy one in case?

thanks


The board will come with a couple, if not more. I think gigabyte packages 1 per on board SATA connector now so you'll probably have 6. :) 
November 12, 2006 4:08:56 PM

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Read the OP carefully, he hasn't bought anything yet. He's using a P3-700.


LOL, that's what I get for skimming. My mistake! :oops:  :roll:
November 12, 2006 5:13:31 PM

Just remember, that when you ask that question at Tom's, you may as well to talking to the Intel sales force. Also notice how you received responses pricing out C2D systems for you in spite of you asking about the 805. Even worse, after you clearly indicated that you're in the U.K., you were given useless links to Newegg pricing.

IMO. either option you are considering will work well for you and will be a significant upgrade from your present system. My only suggestion is to consider the 820 or 915 if they're as close in price as they are here in the USA.
November 12, 2006 5:42:06 PM

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Just remember, that when you ask that question at Tom's, you may as well to talking to the Intel sales force. Also notice how you received responses pricing out C2D systems for you in spite of you asking about the 805. Even worse, after you clearly indicated that you're in the U.K., you were given useless links to Newegg pricing.

IMO. either option you are considering will work well for you and will be a significant upgrade from your present system. My only suggestion is to consider the 820 or 915 if they're as close in price as they are here in the USA.


First off, only one idiot noob suggested Newegg. Second, C2D provides much more performance for the money. It can also OC to twice its stock speed with proper cooling, etc. Yes, we did point him towards a more performance-oriented direction, but isn't that also future-proofing? If he could get six months more use out of this computer for a few more pounds, wouldn't that save time and hassle while getting performance now? The D805 is crap at stock speeds and requires exotic cooling to equal anything close to the C2D. Even then it would act as a furnace. YO_KID37 even linked to benchmarks where a processor better than the 805 got its ass handed to it. Isn't that kind of performance worth the extra bit of cash?


You illustrate my point quite eloquently.
November 12, 2006 8:13:02 PM

This idiot noob used Newegg for a price reference :roll: . Hope you realized that.

I don't have the time or patience to find stores for other countries that I don't live in. AMERICA FTW!!1one
November 12, 2006 8:16:01 PM

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Just remember, that when you ask that question at Tom's, you may as well to talking to the Intel sales force.
When you open your mouth, we may as well be looking at your ass hole.

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Even worse, after you clearly indicated that you're in the U.K.,

O RLY, where? Didn't find it in the OP

Sod off fanboi.
November 12, 2006 9:05:29 PM

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Even worse, after you clearly indicated that you're in the U.K.,

O RLY, where? Didn't find it in the OP

People in countries outside of England rarely quote prices in pounds. You should be more observant.
November 12, 2006 9:18:23 PM

That's not clearly.

But I digress. I don't know of any reputable UK stores. Newegg is the only place I use as a price reference. I trust that most people can convert from US$ to X$.
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