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Anonymous
December 21, 2004 11:37:06 PM

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Hi,
I have windows XP Pro, 384MB Ram, 10GB Hard disk. I did a cleaning of my
hard disk sometime ago and my free HD space was 6.70GB at that time.
What I noticed isthat the free space has been shrinking slowly each day
and now it stands at 6.54GB, that is about 160MB less, if my math is correct.
I haven't installed any software (except for a couple that requires less than
a couple of MB), have been cleaning my disk regularly. WHere did this space
go to? I can't figure out. And it is an ongoing proces. Any help would be
very much appreciated. Thanks in advance

Oniket
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 12:20:32 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Pay no attention to the post by Carch in this thread...some folks just don't
care how much trouble their stupid pranks might cause the unsuspecting
novices who might read their posts.

Two possibilities, one, if you have Hibernation turned on, this file will
grow progressively, thus shrinking free space. If you don't use the
Hibernate feature, go to Control Panel, open Display, go to the Screen Saver
tab, click the Power button under Monitor power, go to the Hibernate tab,
remove the check from Enable hibernation, click apply and ok.

There other possibility is a hidden folder, will hidden unless you have
unhidden system folders in Explorer, System Volume Information. This folder
contains the System Restore information for that particular XP applet and
will grow the file by the amount specified for it, the default is 12% of
your disk space. You should not turn this feature off as it is a good first
line of defense. If you suddenly see a problem, you can take system
settings back to a time prior to when the issue began and see if that
resolves the issue.

Nonetheless, the above is probably the reason for what you are seeing.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"Oniket" <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:AC8E7C78-45DC-4BE6-9830-EC7ACEEF1686@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> I have windows XP Pro, 384MB Ram, 10GB Hard disk. I did a cleaning of my
> hard disk sometime ago and my free HD space was 6.70GB at that time.
> What I noticed isthat the free space has been shrinking slowly each day
> and now it stands at 6.54GB, that is about 160MB less, if my math is
> correct.
> I haven't installed any software (except for a couple that requires less
> than
> a couple of MB), have been cleaning my disk regularly. WHere did this
> space
> go to? I can't figure out. And it is an ongoing proces. Any help would be
> very much appreciated. Thanks in advance
>
> Oniket
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 1:37:02 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Thanks a lot Michael for your valuable tips. Yes, I do have hibernation
on. That should explain this mysterious shrinking free space. I will
look into the hidden folder possibility. Thanks again.

P.S. I indeed did not pay attention to the previous response. It is sad
to see such mean joke in this season of good spirit. Luckily I was
not too dumb to know what format command does :) 


"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP)" wrote:

> Pay no attention to the post by Carch in this thread...some folks just don't
> care how much trouble their stupid pranks might cause the unsuspecting
> novices who might read their posts.
>
> Two possibilities, one, if you have Hibernation turned on, this file will
> grow progressively, thus shrinking free space. If you don't use the
> Hibernate feature, go to Control Panel, open Display, go to the Screen Saver
> tab, click the Power button under Monitor power, go to the Hibernate tab,
> remove the check from Enable hibernation, click apply and ok.
>
> There other possibility is a hidden folder, will hidden unless you have
> unhidden system folders in Explorer, System Volume Information. This folder
> contains the System Restore information for that particular XP applet and
> will grow the file by the amount specified for it, the default is 12% of
> your disk space. You should not turn this feature off as it is a good first
> line of defense. If you suddenly see a problem, you can take system
> settings back to a time prior to when the issue began and see if that
> resolves the issue.
>
> Nonetheless, the above is probably the reason for what you are seeing.
>
> --
> Michael Solomon MS-MVP
> Windows Shell/User
> Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>
> "Oniket" <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:AC8E7C78-45DC-4BE6-9830-EC7ACEEF1686@microsoft.com...
> > Hi,
> > I have windows XP Pro, 384MB Ram, 10GB Hard disk. I did a cleaning of my
> > hard disk sometime ago and my free HD space was 6.70GB at that time.
> > What I noticed isthat the free space has been shrinking slowly each day
> > and now it stands at 6.54GB, that is about 160MB less, if my math is
> > correct.
> > I haven't installed any software (except for a couple that requires less
> > than
> > a couple of MB), have been cleaning my disk regularly. WHere did this
> > space
> > go to? I can't figure out. And it is an ongoing proces. Any help would be
> > very much appreciated. Thanks in advance
> >
> > Oniket
>
>
>
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Anonymous
December 22, 2004 1:40:18 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Ok, Here's what you do. Go to start, run, type in cmd. Then type format c:
ad you're ready to go. :)  Hope this helped.
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 2:57:44 AM

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You're welcome.

Indeed, it is a shame someone wishes to prey on the unsuspecting and
inexperienced in such a cruel way.


--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"Oniket" <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3DF59987-AB9B-4BE0-8755-4E561B354CC5@microsoft.com...
> Thanks a lot Michael for your valuable tips. Yes, I do have hibernation
> on. That should explain this mysterious shrinking free space. I will
> look into the hidden folder possibility. Thanks again.
>
> P.S. I indeed did not pay attention to the previous response. It is sad
> to see such mean joke in this season of good spirit. Luckily I was
> not too dumb to know what format command does :) 
>
>
> "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP)" wrote:
>
>> Pay no attention to the post by Carch in this thread...some folks just
>> don't
>> care how much trouble their stupid pranks might cause the unsuspecting
>> novices who might read their posts.
>>
>> Two possibilities, one, if you have Hibernation turned on, this file will
>> grow progressively, thus shrinking free space. If you don't use the
>> Hibernate feature, go to Control Panel, open Display, go to the Screen
>> Saver
>> tab, click the Power button under Monitor power, go to the Hibernate tab,
>> remove the check from Enable hibernation, click apply and ok.
>>
>> There other possibility is a hidden folder, will hidden unless you have
>> unhidden system folders in Explorer, System Volume Information. This
>> folder
>> contains the System Restore information for that particular XP applet and
>> will grow the file by the amount specified for it, the default is 12% of
>> your disk space. You should not turn this feature off as it is a good
>> first
>> line of defense. If you suddenly see a problem, you can take system
>> settings back to a time prior to when the issue began and see if that
>> resolves the issue.
>>
>> Nonetheless, the above is probably the reason for what you are seeing.
>>
>> --
>> Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>> Windows Shell/User
>> Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>
>> "Oniket" <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:AC8E7C78-45DC-4BE6-9830-EC7ACEEF1686@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi,
>> > I have windows XP Pro, 384MB Ram, 10GB Hard disk. I did a cleaning of
>> > my
>> > hard disk sometime ago and my free HD space was 6.70GB at that time.
>> > What I noticed isthat the free space has been shrinking slowly each
>> > day
>> > and now it stands at 6.54GB, that is about 160MB less, if my math is
>> > correct.
>> > I haven't installed any software (except for a couple that requires
>> > less
>> > than
>> > a couple of MB), have been cleaning my disk regularly. WHere did this
>> > space
>> > go to? I can't figure out. And it is an ongoing proces. Any help would
>> > be
>> > very much appreciated. Thanks in advance
>> >
>> > Oniket
>>
>>
>>
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 10:29:59 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) wrote:
> Two possibilities, one, if you have Hibernation turned on, this file
> will grow progressively, thus shrinking free space.

Grow? hiberfil.sys? I thought this file was locked to the size of installed
RAM, and would not change in size unless you add and/or remove memory.
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 10:30:00 AM

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Well, I guess that's true because it takes a snapshot of the system at a
given time including which applications are open when you wish to hibernate
the system. The file starts out as a rather small default size but will
grow depending upon use, what's installed, what's open and obviously you
cannot open more than what RAM allows. If you are saying it's locked at a
size equal to the RAM installed on the system, that's not true. It would
have to be able to grow to accommodate what is open

Look at the tab, you'll notice it gives a figure for the amount of free
space, it will also show what is needed to hibernate. Currently, mine shows
250MB needed to hibernate, I've seen it grow well beyond that size not only
on my system when using or testing the feature but on other systems as well
as many users who have posted to these newsgroup will attest.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"André Gulliksen" <andre.gulliksen@start.no> wrote in message
news:32sil1F3pqh1iU1@individual.net...
> Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) wrote:
>> Two possibilities, one, if you have Hibernation turned on, this file
>> will grow progressively, thus shrinking free space.
>
> Grow? hiberfil.sys? I thought this file was locked to the size of
> installed RAM, and would not change in size unless you add and/or remove
> memory.
>
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 11:30:40 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

In news:3DF59987-AB9B-4BE0-8755-4E561B354CC5@microsoft.com,
Oniket <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:

> P.S. I indeed did not pay attention to the previous response.
> It is
> sad to see such mean joke in this season of good spirit.
> Luckily I was
> not too dumb to know what format command does :) 


Fortunately, in this case, it does nothing. His advice was to
format the C: drive from the Start | Run command line, and that
won't work. You can't format the Windows drive from within
Windows; Windows is smart enouth to not let you.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 4:07:52 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Agreed.

However, in Windows 9x, you could format the C drive from within Windows as
Windows 9x is FAT and doesn't lock the volume. I don't know if that holds
for XP but if they have XP set up using FAT32 as opposed to NTFS, it might
work.

Also, some unsuspecting person might see the post, note that the volume is
locked and perhaps think he meant they should use their restore disk in
which case they'd likely lose everything on the drive. Stranger things have
happened and even though it shouldn't work in XP, it is irresponsible and
purposefully cruel to post such advice and continue to do so in so many
different places.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:usVXzsD6EHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> In news:3DF59987-AB9B-4BE0-8755-4E561B354CC5@microsoft.com,
> Oniket <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
>
>> P.S. I indeed did not pay attention to the previous response. It is
>> sad to see such mean joke in this season of good spirit. Luckily I was
>> not too dumb to know what format command does :) 
>
>
> Fortunately, in this case, it does nothing. His advice was to format the
> C: drive from the Start | Run command line, and that won't work. You can't
> format the Windows drive from within Windows; Windows is smart enouth to
> not let you.
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 6:29:06 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

In news:%23mz3KpG6EHA.2572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) <user@#notme.com> typed:

> Agreed.
>
> However, in Windows 9x, you could format the C drive from
> within
> Windows as Windows 9x is FAT and doesn't lock the volume. I
> don't
> know if that holds for XP but if they have XP set up using
> FAT32 as
> opposed to NTFS, it might work.
>
> Also, some unsuspecting person might see the post, note that
> the
> volume is locked and perhaps think he meant they should use
> their
> restore disk in which case they'd likely lose everything on the
> drive. Stranger things have happened and even though it
> shouldn't
> work in XP, it is irresponsible and purposefully cruel to post
> such
> advice and continue to do so in so many different places.


Absolutely. It's completely irresponsible, and I said much the
same myself in a reply to him a few days ago. He's undoubtedly a
13-year-old who thinks his replies are funny.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:usVXzsD6EHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> In news:3DF59987-AB9B-4BE0-8755-4E561B354CC5@microsoft.com,
>> Oniket <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
>>
>>> P.S. I indeed did not pay attention to the previous response.
>>> It is
>>> sad to see such mean joke in this season of good spirit.
>>> Luckily I
>>> was not too dumb to know what format command does :) 
>>
>>
>> Fortunately, in this case, it does nothing. His advice was to
>> format
>> the C: drive from the Start | Run command line, and that won't
>> work.
>> You can't format the Windows drive from within Windows;
>> Windows is
>> smart enouth to not let you.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>> Please reply to the newsgroup
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 8:13:43 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Ken Blake wrote:
> In news:%23mz3KpG6EHA.2572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) <user@#notme.com> typed:
>
>
>>Agreed.
>>
>>However, in Windows 9x, you could format the C drive from
>>within
>>Windows as Windows 9x is FAT and doesn't lock the volume. I
>>don't
>>know if that holds for XP but if they have XP set up using
>>FAT32 as
>>opposed to NTFS, it might work.
>>
>>Also, some unsuspecting person might see the post, note that
>>the
>>volume is locked and perhaps think he meant they should use
>>their
>>restore disk in which case they'd likely lose everything on the
>>drive. Stranger things have happened and even though it
>>shouldn't
>>work in XP, it is irresponsible and purposefully cruel to post
>>such
>>advice and continue to do so in so many different places.
>
>
>
> Absolutely. It's completely irresponsible, and I said much the
> same myself in a reply to him a few days ago. He's undoubtedly a
> 13-year-old who thinks his replies are funny.
>
Yep all of the kiddies are home for Christmas vacation.
Sure will be nice when grade school is back in session.

gls858
December 22, 2004 10:18:21 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Before you do anything drastic, try this little exercise.

Cick on Start, Help & Support / Undo changes to your computer with System
Restore / Restore my computer to an earlier time.
How many dates do you have highlighted in Bold? (check the previous month(s)
also.

This will make no changes to your PC, it's just an exploratory thing; once
you note that, just back out & close Help & Support.

You'll possibly find you have Restore Points going back a month or two - all
the early ones are redundant and can be removed, freeing up stacks of disk
space.
If that's the case, post back with the results. It's quite simple to delete
all but the last few which would be wise to keep.
--

johnf

> Thanks a lot Michael for your valuable tips. Yes, I do have hibernation
> on. That should explain this mysterious shrinking free space. I will
> look into the hidden folder possibility. Thanks again.
>
> P.S. I indeed did not pay attention to the previous response. It is sad
> to see such mean joke in this season of good spirit. Luckily I was
> not too dumb to know what format command does :) 
>
>
> "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP)" wrote:
>
>> Pay no attention to the post by Carch in this thread...some folks just
>> don't care how much trouble their stupid pranks might cause the
>> unsuspecting novices who might read their posts.
>>
>> Two possibilities, one, if you have Hibernation turned on, this file
>> will grow progressively, thus shrinking free space. If you don't use
>> the Hibernate feature, go to Control Panel, open Display, go to the
>> Screen Saver tab, click the Power button under Monitor power, go to
>> the Hibernate tab, remove the check from Enable hibernation, click
>> apply and ok.
>>
>> There other possibility is a hidden folder, will hidden unless you have
>> unhidden system folders in Explorer, System Volume Information. This
>> folder contains the System Restore information for that particular XP
>> applet and will grow the file by the amount specified for it, the
>> default is 12% of your disk space. You should not turn this feature
>> off as it is a good first line of defense. If you suddenly see a
>> problem, you can take system settings back to a time prior to when the
>> issue began and see if that resolves the issue.
>>
>> Nonetheless, the above is probably the reason for what you are seeing.
>>
>> --
>> Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>> Windows Shell/User
>> Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>
>> "Oniket" <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:AC8E7C78-45DC-4BE6-9830-EC7ACEEF1686@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi,
>> > I have windows XP Pro, 384MB Ram, 10GB Hard disk. I did a cleaning
>> > of my hard disk sometime ago and my free HD space was 6.70GB at that
>> > time. What I noticed isthat the free space has been shrinking
>> > slowly each day and now it stands at 6.54GB, that is about 160MB
>> > less, if my math is correct.
>> > I haven't installed any software (except for a couple that requires
>> > less than
>> > a couple of MB), have been cleaning my disk regularly. WHere did this
>> > space
>> > go to? I can't figure out. And it is an ongoing proces. Any help
>> > would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance
>> >
>> > Oniket
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 10:18:22 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

You have correctly identified the cause. Actually I did not have
hibernation turned on (I had standby on which I mistook for
hibernation). Just for testing I turned off system restore
and I immediately got back all the lost free space. I then
turned back on system restore to 3% (~300MB) as my hard drive
is small. Does this setting satisfy mimimum requirement?
Thanks again

Oniket

"johnf" wrote:

> Before you do anything drastic, try this little exercise.
>
> Cick on Start, Help & Support / Undo changes to your computer with System
> Restore / Restore my computer to an earlier time.
> How many dates do you have highlighted in Bold? (check the previous month(s)
> also.
>
> This will make no changes to your PC, it's just an exploratory thing; once
> you note that, just back out & close Help & Support.
>
> You'll possibly find you have Restore Points going back a month or two - all
> the early ones are redundant and can be removed, freeing up stacks of disk
> space.
> If that's the case, post back with the results. It's quite simple to delete
> all but the last few which would be wise to keep.
> --
>
> johnf
>
> > Thanks a lot Michael for your valuable tips. Yes, I do have hibernation
> > on. That should explain this mysterious shrinking free space. I will
> > look into the hidden folder possibility. Thanks again.
> >
> > P.S. I indeed did not pay attention to the previous response. It is sad
> > to see such mean joke in this season of good spirit. Luckily I was
> > not too dumb to know what format command does :) 
> >
> >
> > "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP)" wrote:
> >
> >> Pay no attention to the post by Carch in this thread...some folks just
> >> don't care how much trouble their stupid pranks might cause the
> >> unsuspecting novices who might read their posts.
> >>
> >> Two possibilities, one, if you have Hibernation turned on, this file
> >> will grow progressively, thus shrinking free space. If you don't use
> >> the Hibernate feature, go to Control Panel, open Display, go to the
> >> Screen Saver tab, click the Power button under Monitor power, go to
> >> the Hibernate tab, remove the check from Enable hibernation, click
> >> apply and ok.
> >>
> >> There other possibility is a hidden folder, will hidden unless you have
> >> unhidden system folders in Explorer, System Volume Information. This
> >> folder contains the System Restore information for that particular XP
> >> applet and will grow the file by the amount specified for it, the
> >> default is 12% of your disk space. You should not turn this feature
> >> off as it is a good first line of defense. If you suddenly see a
> >> problem, you can take system settings back to a time prior to when the
> >> issue began and see if that resolves the issue.
> >>
> >> Nonetheless, the above is probably the reason for what you are seeing.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Michael Solomon MS-MVP
> >> Windows Shell/User
> >> Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
> >> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
> >>
> >> "Oniket" <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:AC8E7C78-45DC-4BE6-9830-EC7ACEEF1686@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi,
> >> > I have windows XP Pro, 384MB Ram, 10GB Hard disk. I did a cleaning
> >> > of my hard disk sometime ago and my free HD space was 6.70GB at that
> >> > time. What I noticed isthat the free space has been shrinking
> >> > slowly each day and now it stands at 6.54GB, that is about 160MB
> >> > less, if my math is correct.
> >> > I haven't installed any software (except for a couple that requires
> >> > less than
> >> > a couple of MB), have been cleaning my disk regularly. WHere did this
> >> > space
> >> > go to? I can't figure out. And it is an ongoing proces. Any help
> >> > would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance
> >> >
> >> > Oniket
>
>
>
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 10:18:23 PM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

You're welcome. The real question is whether or not it satisfies your
requirements. System Restore points are deleted as new ones are created,
the oldest ones are deleted first. Run your system for a few days or a
week, then check System Restore, if it doesn't go back far enough to suit
you, you may need to enlarge the allotted space a bit.

I'm running at the default setting but I have an 80GB hard drive so it's no
big deal to me and I have restore dates going clear back to the beginning of
this month. That's not really necessary but if after a week, you are only
able to go back one day on the calendar in system restore, you need to
consider if only a day's worth of restore points or whatever you find is
enough to satisfy your needs.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"Oniket" <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3ECC08EF-2328-48CD-99FD-22CAB2807538@microsoft.com...
> You have correctly identified the cause. Actually I did not have
> hibernation turned on (I had standby on which I mistook for
> hibernation). Just for testing I turned off system restore
> and I immediately got back all the lost free space. I then
> turned back on system restore to 3% (~300MB) as my hard drive
> is small. Does this setting satisfy mimimum requirement?
> Thanks again
>
> Oniket
>
> "johnf" wrote:
>
>> Before you do anything drastic, try this little exercise.
>>
>> Cick on Start, Help & Support / Undo changes to your computer with
>> System
>> Restore / Restore my computer to an earlier time.
>> How many dates do you have highlighted in Bold? (check the previous
>> month(s)
>> also.
>>
>> This will make no changes to your PC, it's just an exploratory thing;
>> once
>> you note that, just back out & close Help & Support.
>>
>> You'll possibly find you have Restore Points going back a month or two -
>> all
>> the early ones are redundant and can be removed, freeing up stacks of
>> disk
>> space.
>> If that's the case, post back with the results. It's quite simple to
>> delete
>> all but the last few which would be wise to keep.
>> --
>>
>> johnf
>>
>> > Thanks a lot Michael for your valuable tips. Yes, I do have hibernation
>> > on. That should explain this mysterious shrinking free space. I will
>> > look into the hidden folder possibility. Thanks again.
>> >
>> > P.S. I indeed did not pay attention to the previous response. It is sad
>> > to see such mean joke in this season of good spirit. Luckily I was
>> > not too dumb to know what format command does :) 
>> >
>> >
>> > "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP)" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Pay no attention to the post by Carch in this thread...some folks just
>> >> don't care how much trouble their stupid pranks might cause the
>> >> unsuspecting novices who might read their posts.
>> >>
>> >> Two possibilities, one, if you have Hibernation turned on, this file
>> >> will grow progressively, thus shrinking free space. If you don't use
>> >> the Hibernate feature, go to Control Panel, open Display, go to the
>> >> Screen Saver tab, click the Power button under Monitor power, go to
>> >> the Hibernate tab, remove the check from Enable hibernation, click
>> >> apply and ok.
>> >>
>> >> There other possibility is a hidden folder, will hidden unless you
>> >> have
>> >> unhidden system folders in Explorer, System Volume Information. This
>> >> folder contains the System Restore information for that particular XP
>> >> applet and will grow the file by the amount specified for it, the
>> >> default is 12% of your disk space. You should not turn this feature
>> >> off as it is a good first line of defense. If you suddenly see a
>> >> problem, you can take system settings back to a time prior to when the
>> >> issue began and see if that resolves the issue.
>> >>
>> >> Nonetheless, the above is probably the reason for what you are seeing.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>> >> Windows Shell/User
>> >> Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>> >> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>> >>
>> >> "Oniket" <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:AC8E7C78-45DC-4BE6-9830-EC7ACEEF1686@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> > I have windows XP Pro, 384MB Ram, 10GB Hard disk. I did a cleaning
>> >> > of my hard disk sometime ago and my free HD space was 6.70GB at that
>> >> > time. What I noticed isthat the free space has been shrinking
>> >> > slowly each day and now it stands at 6.54GB, that is about 160MB
>> >> > less, if my math is correct.
>> >> > I haven't installed any software (except for a couple that requires
>> >> > less than
>> >> > a couple of MB), have been cleaning my disk regularly. WHere did
>> >> > this
>> >> > space
>> >> > go to? I can't figure out. And it is an ongoing proces. Any help
>> >> > would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance
>> >> >
>> >> > Oniket
>>
>>
>>
Anonymous
December 23, 2004 11:20:09 AM

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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:30:40 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> In news:3DF59987-AB9B-4BE0-8755-4E561B354CC5@microsoft.com,
> Oniket <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
>
>> P.S. I indeed did not pay attention to the previous response.
>> It is
>> sad to see such mean joke in this season of good spirit.
>> Luckily I was
>> not too dumb to know what format command does :) 
>
>
> Fortunately, in this case, it does nothing. His advice was to
> format the C: drive from the Start | Run command line, and that
> won't work. You can't format the Windows drive from within
> Windows; Windows is smart enouth to not let you.

Unfortunately, not everyone has Windows installed on C: so there is
potential harm here. :( 

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User
Anonymous
December 23, 2004 12:08:50 PM

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In news:eYyxqnP6EHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl,
Sharon F <sharonfDEL@ETEmvps.org> typed:

> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:30:40 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> In news:3DF59987-AB9B-4BE0-8755-4E561B354CC5@microsoft.com,
>> Oniket <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
>>
>>> P.S. I indeed did not pay attention to the previous response.
>>> It is
>>> sad to see such mean joke in this season of good spirit.
>>> Luckily I was
>>> not too dumb to know what format command does :) 
>>
>>
>> Fortunately, in this case, it does nothing. His advice was to
>> format the C: drive from the Start | Run command line, and
>> that
>> won't work. You can't format the Windows drive from within
>> Windows; Windows is smart enouth to not let you.
>
> Unfortunately, not everyone has Windows installed on C: so
> there is
> potential harm here. :( 



True, but the great majority of people do have it installed on C:
And probably the great majority of those who don't have it
installed on C: are savvy enough to realize what format C: means.

It's *certainly* true that the kid who posted that advice is a
malicious jerk. If he thinks it's a joke, it isn't funny.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup
December 23, 2004 1:59:03 PM

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Yep, it sort of fixes it, except by turning it off you lost ALL your
previous restore points.
My next step was to going to be to advise you to reduce it to 2% (which
leaves just the last few points intact but gets rid of all the previous
ones; then increase it back to a higher level.
I reckon 3% should be fine, as that allows a small handful - probably the
last 6 or so to be there continuously, which still allows you to do a
recently caused disaster recovery.
Glad to have helped.
--

johnf

> You have correctly identified the cause. Actually I did not have
> hibernation turned on (I had standby on which I mistook for
> hibernation). Just for testing I turned off system restore
> and I immediately got back all the lost free space. I then
> turned back on system restore to 3% (~300MB) as my hard drive
> is small. Does this setting satisfy mimimum requirement?
> Thanks again
>
> Oniket
>
> "johnf" wrote:
>
>> Before you do anything drastic, try this little exercise.
>>
>> Cick on Start, Help & Support / Undo changes to your computer with
>> System Restore / Restore my computer to an earlier time.
>> How many dates do you have highlighted in Bold? (check the previous
>> month(s) also.
>>
>> This will make no changes to your PC, it's just an exploratory thing;
>> once you note that, just back out & close Help & Support.
>>
>> You'll possibly find you have Restore Points going back a month or two
>> - all the early ones are redundant and can be removed, freeing up
>> stacks of disk space.
>> If that's the case, post back with the results. It's quite simple to
>> delete all but the last few which would be wise to keep.
>> --
>>
>> johnf
>>
>> > Thanks a lot Michael for your valuable tips. Yes, I do have
>> > hibernation on. That should explain this mysterious shrinking free
>> > space. I will look into the hidden folder possibility. Thanks again.
>> >
>> > P.S. I indeed did not pay attention to the previous response. It is
>> > sad to see such mean joke in this season of good spirit. Luckily I
>> > was
>> > not too dumb to know what format command does :) 
>> >
>> >
>> > "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP)" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Pay no attention to the post by Carch in this thread...some folks
>> >> just don't care how much trouble their stupid pranks might cause the
>> >> unsuspecting novices who might read their posts.
>> >>
>> >> Two possibilities, one, if you have Hibernation turned on, this file
>> >> will grow progressively, thus shrinking free space. If you don't
>> >> use the Hibernate feature, go to Control Panel, open Display, go to
>> >> the Screen Saver tab, click the Power button under Monitor power,
>> >> go to the Hibernate tab, remove the check from Enable hibernation,
>> >> click apply and ok.
>> >>
>> >> There other possibility is a hidden folder, will hidden unless you
>> >> have unhidden system folders in Explorer, System Volume
>> >> Information. This folder contains the System Restore information
>> >> for that particular XP applet and will grow the file by the amount
>> >> specified for it, the default is 12% of your disk space. You
>> >> should not turn this feature off as it is a good first line of
>> >> defense. If you suddenly see a problem, you can take system
>> >> settings back to a time prior to when the issue began and see if
>> >> that resolves the issue.
>> >>
>> >> Nonetheless, the above is probably the reason for what you are
>> >> seeing.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>> >> Windows Shell/User
>> >> Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>> >> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>> >>
>> >> "Oniket" <Oniket@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:AC8E7C78-45DC-4BE6-9830-EC7ACEEF1686@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> > I have windows XP Pro, 384MB Ram, 10GB Hard disk. I did a cleaning
>> >> > of my hard disk sometime ago and my free HD space was 6.70GB at
>> >> > that time. What I noticed isthat the free space has been
>> >> > shrinking slowly each day and now it stands at 6.54GB, that is
>> >> > about 160MB less, if my math is correct.
>> >> > I haven't installed any software (except for a couple that
>> >> > requires less than
>> >> > a couple of MB), have been cleaning my disk regularly. WHere did
>> >> > this space
>> >> > go to? I can't figure out. And it is an ongoing proces. Any help
>> >> > would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance
>> >> >
>> >> > Oniket
Anonymous
December 24, 2004 6:45:58 PM

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I appologize if the answer has already been posted, but my news server
doesn't keep messages very long.

I have XP on a 3.24 gig partition. All the files (including hidden ones)
comes to 2.32 gigs. So I should still have almost 900 megs of free space,
yet it keeps telling me I only have 184 megs!
Anonymous
December 24, 2004 6:45:59 PM

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If you have system restore turned, something that is recommended, it's
possible it's eating up a lot of space. The default setting is 12% of the
hard drive. You might want to reduce that setting. Control
Panel\System\System Restore\Settings. If you have Hibernation turned on and
it is a feature you do not use, then you should turn it off as it can
consume a lot of hard drive space. Control Panel\Display\Screen Saver\Power
button under Monitor Power\Hibernation tab.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"Fungusamungus" <fungusized@yourhotmindmail.com> wrote in message
news:WQWyd.36813$ld2.14959961@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>I appologize if the answer has already been posted, but my news server
> doesn't keep messages very long.
>
> I have XP on a 3.24 gig partition. All the files (including hidden ones)
> comes to 2.32 gigs. So I should still have almost 900 megs of free space,
> yet it keeps telling me I only have 184 megs!
>
>
>
Anonymous
December 26, 2004 4:19:49 AM

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Wonderful! It turns out I had even more space available than I thought (even
after all the settings/files were taken into account). Thank you! And Merry
Christmas!


"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP)" <user@#notme.com> wrote in message
news:o J41yhe6EHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> If you have system restore turned, something that is recommended, it's
> possible it's eating up a lot of space. The default setting is 12% of the
> hard drive. You might want to reduce that setting. Control
> Panel\System\System Restore\Settings. If you have Hibernation turned on
and
> it is a feature you do not use, then you should turn it off as it can
> consume a lot of hard drive space. Control Panel\Display\Screen
Saver\Power
> button under Monitor Power\Hibernation tab.
>
> --
> Michael Solomon MS-MVP
> Windows Shell/User
> Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>
> "Fungusamungus" <fungusized@yourhotmindmail.com> wrote in message
> news:WQWyd.36813$ld2.14959961@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> >I appologize if the answer has already been posted, but my news server
> > doesn't keep messages very long.
> >
> > I have XP on a 3.24 gig partition. All the files (including hidden ones)
> > comes to 2.32 gigs. So I should still have almost 900 megs of free
space,
> > yet it keeps telling me I only have 184 megs!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
December 26, 2004 6:05:36 PM

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Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) wrote:
> However, in Windows 9x, you could format the C drive from within
> Windows as Windows 9x is FAT and doesn't lock the volume.

No, you can't. I actually got myself into a discussion about this on another
newsgroup a little while ago, and ended up testing "format c:" from a
Windows 95 vm. I only got an error that the volume was in use by another
process.
Anonymous
December 26, 2004 6:06:07 PM

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Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) wrote:
> Look at the tab, you'll notice it gives a figure for the amount of
> free space, it will also show what is needed to hibernate.

Mine shows 512 MB, which happens to be the amount of RAM I have.
hiberfil.sys is also 512 MB, and has AFAICR always been.
Anonymous
December 27, 2004 6:01:15 PM

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You're welcome.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"Fungusamungus" <fungusized@yourhotmindmail.com> wrote in message
news:Vkozd.28790$kq2.20198@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Wonderful! It turns out I had even more space available than I thought
> (even
> after all the settings/files were taken into account). Thank you! And
> Merry
> Christmas!
>
>
> "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP)" <user@#notme.com> wrote in message
> news:o J41yhe6EHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> If you have system restore turned, something that is recommended, it's
>> possible it's eating up a lot of space. The default setting is 12% of
>> the
>> hard drive. You might want to reduce that setting. Control
>> Panel\System\System Restore\Settings. If you have Hibernation turned on
> and
>> it is a feature you do not use, then you should turn it off as it can
>> consume a lot of hard drive space. Control Panel\Display\Screen
> Saver\Power
>> button under Monitor Power\Hibernation tab.
>>
>> --
>> Michael Solomon MS-MVP
>> Windows Shell/User
>> Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
>> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>
>> "Fungusamungus" <fungusized@yourhotmindmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:WQWyd.36813$ld2.14959961@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>> >I appologize if the answer has already been posted, but my news server
>> > doesn't keep messages very long.
>> >
>> > I have XP on a 3.24 gig partition. All the files (including hidden
>> > ones)
>> > comes to 2.32 gigs. So I should still have almost 900 megs of free
> space,
>> > yet it keeps telling me I only have 184 megs!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
!