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November 14, 2006 7:11:58 AM

hey,

ive been trying to decide on a graphics card for a new gaming rig. after alot of research, narrowed it down to two cards, the sapphire 1950pro and the sapphire 1950xt. i havent been able to find any reviews of the 1950xt, but after comparing specs i noticed the only difference is a 400mhz higher clock speed on the 1950xt and 4 more pixel pipelines. the only way i can afford to get the 1950xt though, is if ditch the scythe infinity cooler for my C2D and go with stock cooling when i OC. what would you guys suggest doing?
thx

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November 14, 2006 7:29:54 AM

I can't offer an answer, as I'm intersted too... In fact, I was going to ask the EXACT same question! :D 

However, I think the price/performance ratio easily points to the Pro being the one to buy... But I could be wrong.
November 14, 2006 7:33:53 AM

go for a new 8800 8) they're tight i bought one EXTREMELY fast if not though i would say the XT
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November 14, 2006 7:47:49 AM

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go for a new 8800 8) they're tight i bought one EXTREMELY fast if not though i would say the XT


thanks, i would get an 8800 in a heartbeat if i could afford it, although then i would want an i600 based mobo as well. those 2 alone would be over $700 and im working with a $1000 budget.
November 14, 2006 7:51:12 AM

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However, I think the price/performance ratio easily points to the Pro being the one to buy... But I could be wrong.


actually the main selling point of the sapphire version over the asus one was that the sapphire is blue. hey, i spent an extra $200 to get a black macbook, why not spend an extra $40 to get a blue card? although if performance is better then asthetic details go out the window.

edit: crap, double post.
November 14, 2006 7:52:37 AM

fair enough, i almost puked when i handed over the cash for it lol, but it is what they say it is. runs faster then a 7950GX2 and is DX10 compatible 1 of these puts me at a point where i can run any game/sim (other then FSX that one's a killer) at 160FPS or so, FSX with sliders maxed out i get 15FPS, witch is more then most can say
November 14, 2006 12:08:47 PM

If you want benchmarks for the X1950XT, it's going to around the same as the X1900XT 256M version and there's plenty of the latter around if you poke around. I would guess 0-10% faster depending on what it's trying to do. Some person somewhere (sorry forgot the source) posted that they put up around the same 3DMark in some cases so it's possible the GDDR3 on the X1950XT has slightly looser timings to get it to clock that high, which might negate some of the faster clock. But don't trust me too much on this as it was about a week ago.

It's sitting around the same price as the old X1900XT 256, so if you would have wanted that a month ago, it's going to be about the same.

As a point of comparison, the X1900XT 512M is selling for 290 right now, although it has a huge MIR, which isn't as great.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

So, go out there and look at the benches. Does the Pro run everything you want at the res of your monitor with enough eye candy? Give it a little margin. If you're not happy with it's putting out, then get the better card and post some benches here. :)  I think you'll be happy with either card as they both give very good price/perf.

Good luck.
November 14, 2006 7:53:24 PM

Personally, I see the X1950XT and the X1950pro providing about the same results for your money; it's about a 25%/$50US increase from the pro to the XT, and perhaps around a 25% improvement in performance. So either one really works.

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If you want benchmarks for the X1950XT, it's going to around the same as the X1900XT 256M version and there's plenty of the latter around if you poke around.

Although I've yet to see a real wealth of X1950XT benchmarks, I'd doubt that it'd compare to the X1900XT 256MB, unless you mean in in perhaps the same way as the X1950XTX compares to the X1900XTX. The core's for both XTs is about the same, but there's a significant change in VRAM clock speed, from an effective 1.45GHz to an effective 1.8GHz; and a lot of applications demonstrated that the main bottleneck within the X1900 series was the VRAM bandwidth availible. (which is why it's a good thing the GeForce 8800 has a 320 to 384-bit memory bus, otherwise it might post numbers SLOWER than the 7950GX2)

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hmmm, i guess that i could always add the sycthe infinity later. ok, i think ill go with the 1950xt. will this psu support it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103930

two 18a +12v rails? Not a doubt about it; pretty much any quality PSU with two robust +12v rails will handle ANY CPU and graphics card comparison. Your only wories come into play when you start to use more than 1 graphics card.

For the record, no graphics card seems to push past 150 watts or so in TDP, which amounts to around 12.5a on the +12v rail; a single rail at 16a or above, provided it's a decent PSU, (Antec, of course, qualifies, though I doubt you needed me to tell you that) will handle it fine.
November 14, 2006 11:25:50 PM

thanks, i was wondering if the psu would support the graphics card from the start. one of the main games im going to be playing is Oblivion at 1280x1024 so i need all the power i can get. only draw backs of picking the xt is that i dont have as much oc-ing room without the scythe infinity, eh, i guess i can always add it later.
November 16, 2006 11:49:19 AM

There is a 512MB version of the x1950pro available - would this beat the 256MB x1950xt? Anyone seen any benchmarks?
November 16, 2006 3:37:29 PM

I just installed my Sapphire x1950xt last night, and all I have to say is: IT'S CRAP!!!! All they did was throw a Sapphire sticker over the ATI chick on the heat sink cover...

So far, I can't get F.E.A.R or NWN2 to run, and they used to with my old card. damn it. AND to put some icing on the cake, the only drivers that seem to work are the ones supplied on the cd that came with the card.

I've tried using the official ATI(AMD) 6.10's and the latest 6.11's. :x

Hindsight being 20/20, I should've bought the 1950 pro.... I could rant for another couple hours but I'll stop now. I'll start a new thread for my issues.
November 16, 2006 4:01:20 PM

Can you provide a link? I have not heard of a 512MB flavor of the X1950Pro.

apt403: Yes, the PSU will be fine. Personally, since I haven't seen any benches for the X1950XT, I'd save the 70 dollar premium and go with the X1950Pro.

Now, if you don't plan on using it in Xfire or need VIVO, go to ewiz.com and get the ASUS version for $169. For that price, it can't be beat for gaming.

I've read reviews for this CoolerMaster Heatsink/Fan actually performing better than the Scythe or Ninja, here. It's much cheaper and smaller. You won't have to worry about it fitting.
November 16, 2006 4:14:14 PM

X1950XT 256mb beats a X1950Pro(256mb or the rumored 512mb) hands down

X1950Pro is a good card if you plan on upgrading sooner rather than later, and of the course the X1950XT is a good card if you think you'll upgrade later
November 16, 2006 4:54:36 PM

Hands down? Define hands down.

Hell yeah, since it costs more, it should be a better performing GPU.

Though, I'll bet you that on price/perf that the X1950Pro will win "hands down".

Let's see X1950Pro for $199 vs X1950XT for $269. As price to perf goes, the X1950XT would have to be 35% better than the X1950Pro (Edit, had XT here - oops). And if you don't care about Xfire or VIVO, the $169 X1950Pro will spank the X1950XT on game price/performance.

I haven't updated this analysis for awhile but it shows the X1950XTX being better by 45% over the X1950Pro, so I would gather the X1950XT would be around 15%-20% better since it doesn't have 512MB like the XTX version.

This is just speculation since I haven't seen any hard benchmarks.
November 16, 2006 5:04:43 PM

Interesting. Newegg doesn't show that 512MB version when doing a search for X1950Pro. It's good to know.

Now, where the heck are the benchmarks for these two cards. I'd bet the X1950XT 256MB would be better at lower resolution and the X1950Pro might take the lead at higher resolution just because of having more memory.

Until I see benchmarks, I'd take the ASUS X1950Pro 256MB version as I don't care about Xfire or VIVO, but that's me. Then I'd wait for R600 to cause DX10 to come down in price.

Different Strokes for Different Folks.

Ahh, 3lfk1ng, I kinda took a break last week. Work, kids, wife, etc, etc. ;-)

Been around the last few days.

I'm hoping to win a 2500+ from Ebay. My PSU is only 20 pin and doing a complete upgrade is out-of-the-question. I figure going from a 2400+ to an overclocked 2500+ to 3200+ will be a nice little upgrade for hopefully around $45 including heatsink.
November 16, 2006 5:13:36 PM

Ah, cool. Breaks are always nice, well, good to have you back.

As far as my current computer goes...I'm going to turn my 2500+ (barton) into my dedicated server computer. (Source dedicated, Teamspeak/Ventrilo, etc) and I'll have my new system mid December.

I'm getting this card for my new build.

It should hold me over until the 2nd generation of Ati's Dx10 cards.
November 16, 2006 5:31:07 PM

Going for the bling, bling, huh? Gotta love that cooler. Think it's worth getting that over the 512MB version that's only a few bucks more? Or even the X1950XT?

Any benches on that HIS you plan on getting?
November 16, 2006 6:00:02 PM

http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/VGA/HIS_X1950_Pr...

Its silent...
Its fast...
It cool...
Independent heatsinks for the gpu and the memory...
and a uv reactive fan housing...


It will be mine :)  ...hopefully

However...I could always just go for the noisy and unatractive yet more powerfull and slightly more pricey Sapphire 1950xt ..I'll have to wait and see when the time comes.
November 16, 2006 6:14:47 PM

Go here and save yourself a little over 14 bucks over Newegg.

I actually bought a DVD player from them 2 weeks ago. I'm definitely going to keep them on my list as a place to buy parts from.
November 16, 2006 6:30:52 PM

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fair enough, i almost puked when i handed over the cash for it lol, but it is what they say it is. runs faster then a 7950GX2 and is DX10 compatible 1 of these puts me at a point where i can run any game/sim (other then FSX that one's a killer) at 160FPS or so, FSX with sliders maxed out i get 15FPS, witch is more then most can say


FSX puts Oblivion to shame when it comes to crapping out graphics cards... it should be made the new crunch-test standard with all settings on max.
November 17, 2006 2:23:36 AM

instead of the 1950pro/xt i think i can still stay in budget i get an 8800gts, i know that card is going to kich the s**t out of a 1950pro. now i just have to figure out how to shave $200 off my build price...
November 18, 2006 1:42:36 PM

Absolutely no point in paying $280 for a X1950Pro when you can get a X1950XT which will beat the X1950Pro in every game and especially last longer
November 18, 2006 4:27:10 PM

Hello!
I'm building a new game station pc, which of the following cards will perform better with a widescreen monitor (belinea 10 20 35w to buy 1600x1050):
-1950Pro 512 MB
-1950xt 256 MB

I can find them at almost the same price here in italy.
But i cannot find any benchmark of the two. :cry: 
November 18, 2006 11:06:15 PM

I don't think the prices in Denmark are the same as the prices at Newegg. So, yeah, if the price in your country says the X1950 Pro is around USD$280, then the better cards (X1900XT, X1950XT) are probably even more expensive. The X1950 Pro is probably a fine choice for its price point in any country assuming the pricing is relatively similar but just scaled. You should still check the higher end cards to see how much higher. If it's not that much higher, then figure out if you want to pay the extra for the higher performance.

Lallo: There are no benchmarks of the X1950XT, but I'm inclined to believe that the X1950XT will be faster even at 1680 res because of the faster clock speeds and the more pipes. If they're at the same price, I'd go for the X1950XT. For the games that require more than 256M, the ultra, super texture packs for whatever new game, the X1950 Pro probably doesn't have enough power to hit 30 fps for those games at 1680 res anyway, so you're going to have scale back the settings.
November 24, 2006 1:08:33 PM

i think im falling into the same category as everyone else here.

im looking for a card that will play Oblivion at 1280x1024, at the highest settings possible.

im currently looking at X1950XT 256mb, X1900 Crossfire Edition 512mb, and now, due to this thread the X1950.

I dont understand enough about graphics cards to know the tradeoff between the higher mem clock of the X1950XT and the greater memory of the X1900 Crossfire or the X1950Pro 512mb.

I, like most people, cannot afford to buy a 8800, and id like whatever i put in there to last me a couple of years or so.

id appreciate any advice you could give me
November 26, 2006 10:08:49 PM

if your looking into buying a 1900xt 512mb, then the 1950xtx is only about $40 more, and that card is MUCH better then the 1950xt and the 1900xt 512mb.

1950xtx linkage.

the 8800gts is only like $65 more then the 1950xtx, and thats like the second best card on the market right now.

8800gts linkage.
November 27, 2006 3:54:54 PM

Well there in lies my problem

i can get a 1900 Crossfire 512mb for $288 at newegg

where as the cheapest 1950xtx i can find is $388.

I dont particularly have the extra 100 for the 1950xtx, especially if its going to be just as obsolete as the 1950xt, 1900 Crossfire or 1950Pro with the new DX10 cards, and i certainly dont have the money for the 8800's.

id rather spend <$300 on a card that will get me through to the DX10's come down, if i even need a new one at that point (1 year or so down the road).

so back to my question, for a high level of detail do you go with:

higher memory lower speed

or

higher speed less memory

or

which card; 1950xt 256mb (~$270), 1900 Crossfire 512mb (~$290), or 1950Pro 512mb (~$260)
November 27, 2006 4:23:04 PM

Where's the 1900xt 512mb for $288? thats a great price for the card. The only one i can find is this, and its $350.

edit: wait, do you meanthese? if so, there even more expensive.
November 27, 2006 4:47:30 PM

I did it....i bought the HIS x1950xt Iceq3 turbo and man this thing is sweet(its resting on the floor about 3 feet behind me just waiting to be put into my new machine).

Now all i need to do it get the motherboard (DFI RD600) and a psu (OCZ Gamexstream 850, or Enermax Galaxy 850) and then I'll have my new system up and running. (I predict 2nd or 3rd week of december)

I went for this version of the x1950xt because it has 1800mhz memory just like the xtx's and it uses the the 580+ core. Like I said earlier...I like a lot of the features that this board has.

Quote:
http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/VGA/HIS_X1950_Pr...

Its silent...
Its fast...
It cool...
Independent heatsinks for the gpu and the memory...
and a uv reactive fan housing...


I decided to go with the x1950xt....No regrets here :D 
November 27, 2006 9:26:51 PM

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Where's the 1900xt 512mb for $288? thats a great price for the card. The only one i can find is this, and its $350.

edit: wait, do you meanthese? if so, there even more expensive.


these

if you dont mind MIB

and ive considered the HIS x1950xt Iceq3turbo, but decided id rather put a thermalright cooler on a lower cost one and utilize a case fan that wouldnt be doing anything otherwise

but i still dont know if the 1900 crossfire 512mb will outperform a x1950xt with 256mb (especially with Oblivion)

all i can find is opinions, and anything i ask ATI is just smoke
November 28, 2006 4:11:47 AM

Not that I'm being that picky, but if you're going to put a $50 TR-03 on it, get some $6 AS5 or the equivalent, then in the end, the cost is going go way up.

Unfortunately, I don't see any Oblivion benchmarks. There are Splinter Cell and FEAR benchmarks here: http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2122&c...

It's DX9, which is more similar than the OGL games. These benches aren't the most accurate, though. The X1900XT 512 is only using the 6.8 Cats, but keeping that in mind, the cards are basically dead even at all the resolutions up to 1600.

You might get slightly better milage on high textures with games like Doom, but the revamped texture pack with Oblivion easily exceeds even 512M, so it's going to dip into main memory anyway. If you use the default textures that come with the game, then 256M is enough for 1280 res.

Personally, I'd get the X1950XT because I don't think the extra mem will make that big a difference at low resolutions as seen above and $150 is a huge MIR, which might take months to get back. I have no personal experience with MSI MIRs, so I don't really know, just speaking in general about them. If you're thinking about a 24" panel in the future, then that changes things.

The only other downside is driver support, which will probably come with the 6.12s. Until then, you have to use the drivers that come on the CD, which isn't too bad, just inconvenient.

Really, though, both cards are great, and you're probably going to happy with either one.
November 28, 2006 10:42:18 PM

I dont think i can say thank you enough a123456.

that article really helped with a direct comparison.

even with oblivion and the new texture pack the x1950xt seems to be just as good as the x1900xt 512mb, and seems to be a little more future proof as well
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