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hey,

ive been trying to decide on a graphics card for a new gaming rig. after alot of research, narrowed it down to two cards, the sapphire 1950pro and the sapphire 1950xt. i havent been able to find any reviews of the 1950xt, but after comparing specs i noticed the only difference is a 400mhz higher clock speed on the 1950xt and 4 more pixel pipelines. the only way i can afford to get the 1950xt though, is if ditch the scythe infinity cooler for my C2D and go with stock cooling when i OC. what would you guys suggest doing?
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I can't offer an answer, as I'm intersted too... In fact, I was going to ask the EXACT same question! :D

However, I think the price/performance ratio easily points to the Pro being the one to buy... But I could be wrong.
 
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go for a new 8800 8) they're tight i bought one EXTREMELY fast if not though i would say the XT
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thanks, i would get an 8800 in a heartbeat if i could afford it, although then i would want an i600 based mobo as well. those 2 alone would be over $700 and im working with a $1000 budget.
 
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However, I think the price/performance ratio easily points to the Pro being the one to buy... But I could be wrong.
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actually the main selling point of the sapphire version over the asus one was that the sapphire is blue. hey, i spent an extra $200 to get a black macbook, why not spend an extra $40 to get a blue card? although if performance is better then asthetic details go out the window.

edit: crap, double post.
 
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fair enough, i almost puked when i handed over the cash for it lol, but it is what they say it is. runs faster then a 7950GX2 and is DX10 compatible 1 of these puts me at a point where i can run any game/sim (other then FSX that one's a killer) at 160FPS or so, FSX with sliders maxed out i get 15FPS, witch is more then most can say
 
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If you want benchmarks for the X1950XT, it's going to around the same as the X1900XT 256M version and there's plenty of the latter around if you poke around. I would guess 0-10% faster depending on what it's trying to do. Some person somewhere (sorry forgot the source) posted that they put up around the same 3DMark in some cases so it's possible the GDDR3 on the X1950XT has slightly looser timings to get it to clock that high, which might negate some of the faster clock. But don't trust me too much on this as it was about a week ago.

It's sitting around the same price as the old X1900XT 256, so if you would have wanted that a month ago, it's going to be about the same.

As a point of comparison, the X1900XT 512M is selling for 290 right now, although it has a huge MIR, which isn't as great.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127208

So, go out there and look at the benches. Does the Pro run everything you want at the res of your monitor with enough eye candy? Give it a little margin. If you're not happy with it's putting out, then get the better card and post some benches here. :) I think you'll be happy with either card as they both give very good price/perf.

Good luck.
 
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Personally, I see the X1950XT and the X1950pro providing about the same results for your money; it's about a 25%/$50US increase from the pro to the XT, and perhaps around a 25% improvement in performance. So either one really works.

If you want benchmarks for the X1950XT, it's going to around the same as the X1900XT 256M version and there's plenty of the latter around if you poke around.
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Although I've yet to see a real wealth of X1950XT benchmarks, I'd doubt that it'd compare to the X1900XT 256MB, unless you mean in in perhaps the same way as the X1950XTX compares to the X1900XTX. The core's for both XTs is about the same, but there's a significant change in VRAM clock speed, from an effective 1.45GHz to an effective 1.8GHz; and a lot of applications demonstrated that the main bottleneck within the X1900 series was the VRAM bandwidth availible. (which is why it's a good thing the GeForce 8800 has a 320 to 384-bit memory bus, otherwise it might post numbers SLOWER than the 7950GX2)

hmmm, i guess that i could always add the sycthe infinity later. ok, i think ill go with the 1950xt. will this psu support it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103930
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two 18a +12v rails? Not a doubt about it; pretty much any quality PSU with two robust +12v rails will handle ANY CPU and graphics card comparison. Your only wories come into play when you start to use more than 1 graphics card.

For the record, no graphics card seems to push past 150 watts or so in TDP, which amounts to around 12.5a on the +12v rail; a single rail at 16a or above, provided it's a decent PSU, (Antec, of course, qualifies, though I doubt you needed me to tell you that) will handle it fine.
 
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thanks, i was wondering if the psu would support the graphics card from the start. one of the main games im going to be playing is Oblivion at 1280x1024 so i need all the power i can get. only draw backs of picking the xt is that i dont have as much oc-ing room without the scythe infinity, eh, i guess i can always add it later.
 
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I just installed my Sapphire x1950xt last night, and all I have to say is: IT'S CRAP!!!! All they did was throw a Sapphire sticker over the ATI chick on the heat sink cover...

So far, I can't get F.E.A.R or NWN2 to run, and they used to with my old card. damn it. AND to put some icing on the cake, the only drivers that seem to work are the ones supplied on the cd that came with the card.

I've tried using the official ATI(AMD) 6.10's and the latest 6.11's. :x

Hindsight being 20/20, I should've bought the 1950 pro.... I could rant for another couple hours but I'll stop now. I'll start a new thread for my issues.
 
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Can you provide a link? I have not heard of a 512MB flavor of the X1950Pro.

apt403: Yes, the PSU will be fine. Personally, since I haven't seen any benches for the X1950XT, I'd save the 70 dollar premium and go with the X1950Pro.

Now, if you don't plan on using it in Xfire or need VIVO, go to ewiz.com and get the ASUS version for $169. For that price, it can't be beat for gaming.

I've read reviews for this CoolerMaster Heatsink/Fan actually performing better than the Scythe or Ninja, here. It's much cheaper and smaller. You won't have to worry about it fitting.
 
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X1950XT 256mb beats a X1950Pro(256mb or the rumored 512mb) hands down

X1950Pro is a good card if you plan on upgrading sooner rather than later, and of the course the X1950XT is a good card if you think you'll upgrade later
 
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Hands down? Define hands down.

Hell yeah, since it costs more, it should be a better performing GPU.

Though, I'll bet you that on price/perf that the X1950Pro will win "hands down".

Let's see X1950Pro for $199 vs X1950XT for $269. As price to perf goes, the X1950XT would have to be 35% better than the X1950Pro (Edit, had XT here - oops). And if you don't care about Xfire or VIVO, the $169 X1950Pro will spank the X1950XT on game price/performance.

I haven't updated this analysis for awhile but it shows the X1950XTX being better by 45% over the X1950Pro, so I would gather the X1950XT would be around 15%-20% better since it doesn't have 512MB like the XTX version.

This is just speculation since I haven't seen any hard benchmarks.
 
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Interesting. Newegg doesn't show that 512MB version when doing a search for X1950Pro. It's good to know.

Now, where the heck are the benchmarks for these two cards. I'd bet the X1950XT 256MB would be better at lower resolution and the X1950Pro might take the lead at higher resolution just because of having more memory.

Until I see benchmarks, I'd take the ASUS X1950Pro 256MB version as I don't care about Xfire or VIVO, but that's me. Then I'd wait for R600 to cause DX10 to come down in price.

Different Strokes for Different Folks.

Ahh, 3lfk1ng, I kinda took a break last week. Work, kids, wife, etc, etc. ;-)

Been around the last few days.

I'm hoping to win a 2500+ from Ebay. My PSU is only 20 pin and doing a complete upgrade is out-of-the-question. I figure going from a 2400+ to an overclocked 2500+ to 3200+ will be a nice little upgrade for hopefully around $45 including heatsink.
 
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Ah, cool. Breaks are always nice, well, good to have you back.

As far as my current computer goes...I'm going to turn my 2500+ (barton) into my dedicated server computer. (Source dedicated, Teamspeak/Ventrilo, etc) and I'll have my new system mid December.

I'm getting this card for my new build.

It should hold me over until the 2nd generation of Ati's Dx10 cards.
 
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Going for the bling, bling, huh? Gotta love that cooler. Think it's worth getting that over the 512MB version that's only a few bucks more? Or even the X1950XT?

Any benches on that HIS you plan on getting?
 
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Go here and save yourself a little over 14 bucks over Newegg.

I actually bought a DVD player from them 2 weeks ago. I'm definitely going to keep them on my list as a place to buy parts from.
 
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fair enough, i almost puked when i handed over the cash for it lol, but it is what they say it is. runs faster then a 7950GX2 and is DX10 compatible 1 of these puts me at a point where i can run any game/sim (other then FSX that one's a killer) at 160FPS or so, FSX with sliders maxed out i get 15FPS, witch is more then most can say
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FSX puts Oblivion to shame when it comes to crapping out graphics cards... it should be made the new crunch-test standard with all settings on max.
 
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instead of the 1950pro/xt i think i can still stay in budget i get an 8800gts, i know that card is going to kich the s**t out of a 1950pro. now i just have to figure out how to shave $200 off my build price...
 
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