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Is this mobo/cup/mem upgrade worth $250 for me?

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November 17, 2006 12:53:49 PM

As you can see by the name, I'm still using a Pentium 3 based system for my home computer. I'm starting to get a little bit more into gaming (Medal of Honor series, Need for Speed series, COD series, ect.), as well as video and audio archiving (DVD backup and MP3 creation and storage). Here are current specs.....

Asus p3 based board (TUSL2-C)
Pentium 3 1.0 GHz overclocked to about 1.2 ghz
512 mb pc133 memory
nvidia 6200 AGP card (recent purchase)
160 GB (I think) IDE hard drive
DVD-RW and DVD-ROM drives
sound blaster live 5.1 with front bay
antec lanboy and antec 350w PS

I recently priced out a C2D based system, and since I'd have to buy not on the CPU, but a new MOBO, new DDR2 mem, pci express x16 vid card, sata based HD (due to only 1 IDE channel), and a new PS since my antec 350w wont cut it, it would be at least $750.

My next thought was to just upgrade CPU, MOBO and RAM and keep vid card, current HD, and power supply. I can each of the following for this....

Epox 939 based mobo with AGP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

AMD Athlon 64 3200+
http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Corsair ValueSelect 1GB DDR400 kit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...

For under $250, I'll have a processor easily 3x (most likely 4-5x) faster than my current one, 2x the memory (and faster memory), and my vid card will be able to finally run at 8x speed rather than being limited to 4x like it is now. I'll also be able to upgrade CPU and add memory later should I want to (which I can't now as I've maxed out my current board's abilities).

I know that upgrading to a C2D based rig would be great, but if I've gotten along this long with a pentium 3, a 3200+ should serve me well until quad core based machines become mainstream, DDR3 is standard (and cheap), and DX10 cards are selling around $100.

Your thoughts and advice are always greatly appreciated. If another $50 into this upgrade would greatly help the outcome, I'd love to hear some ideas.
November 17, 2006 1:30:40 PM

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I recently priced out a C2D based system, and since I'd have to buy not on the CPU, but a new MOBO, new DDR2 mem, pci express x16 vid card, sata based HD (due to only 1 IDE channel), and a new PS since my antec 350w wont cut it, it would be at least $750.

My next thought was to just upgrade CPU, MOBO and RAM and keep vid card, current HD, and power supply. I can each of the following for this....

Epox 939 based mobo with AGP
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
Corsair ValueSelect 1GB DDR400 kit

Forget about the 6200. It's weak. If you even want to game with them,
it's pathetic.

My two cents:
The what:
Get a pci-e board. Either s939 or am2.
You can get by with cheaper ram, no need to pay upcharge for the corsair
brand name. Cause that's all you're doing, they have the same chips as
some cheaper ram. You can also get ram used. That would save a couple
of bucks. Also, for everyday use, ram capacity matters far more than
speed.
Next, get a 6600GT or 7600GS or x800GTO. You can also try used.

The why:
That 6200 is too weak for games. These other cards are a bit dated, but
still powerful enough for games.
AGP is becoming extinct. There's no upgrade path.
Pci-e cards are also cheaper.
November 17, 2006 1:34:37 PM

I understand that PCI-e vid cards are much better than their AGP counterparts, but if I were to buy an PCI-e card, a mobo for it, a CPU and new memory, I'd be well over the $250 the above upgrade would cost.
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November 17, 2006 1:41:03 PM

Your video card sucks. Its a pile of steaming dog sh!t.

I bet you bought it at wal-mart or best buy.

Do yourself a favor and run, not walk, but run that thing to the return line where ever you bought it.


edit: they make good agp card cards still.

x800pro/xt/xl/xt pe, x850pro/xt, 7600gt, 7800GS+, 6800gt/ultra, sooon x1950pro agp.
November 17, 2006 1:42:45 PM

I got it at the egg for $30 some bucks, and handed the 5200 I had down to my sister. 2 vid card upgrades for $30 ain't bad....
November 17, 2006 1:43:57 PM

Check out the 939 Dual-VSTA. Its got options you want. I have the older version, and its sweet. Have had it for almost a year, and not let down once.
November 17, 2006 1:44:18 PM

Drop that bullshit attitude. Now. Just give the advice without the color commentary.
November 17, 2006 1:45:02 PM

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I got it at the egg for $30 some bucks, and handed the 5200 I had down to my sister. 2 vid card upgrades for $30 ain't bad....


it is when your talking a 6200. hahaha

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 
November 17, 2006 1:45:48 PM

Quote:
Drop that bullshit attitude. Now. Just give the advice without the color commentary.



Sowwy
November 17, 2006 1:56:04 PM

Quote:
I got it at the egg for $30 some bucks, and handed the 5200 I had down to my sister. 2 vid card upgrades for $30 ain't bad....


it is when your talking a 6200. hahaha

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 

Why spend more for a better vid card when I was still being limited with a pentium 3? Sure, I could have gone out and spend $80+ for a 6600GT or whatever, but it would still be running a 4x speed due to the mobo, and be EXTREMELY hindered by a 1.2 ghz processor. $31 to upgrade from a 5200 to a 6200 for myself, and to upgrade my sisters computer from horrible mobo based graphics to a 5200 (and get her to help clean my apartment for it) is money well spent IMO.
November 17, 2006 2:03:01 PM

If your computer is still working, I'd save a little extra cash to get a PCI-Express system. AGP upgrades are more expensive than PCI-Express upgrades. This will save you more in the long run.

Otherwise, get the ASRock-Dual as elpresidente2075 mentioned.

If you are getting into gaming the 6200 is an extremely low-end card. I have a 6600GT and have to put the settings on NeverwinterNights 2 at low and it still gets choppy depending on how much action is going on.

I also have an Antec 350W PSU. Models vary but I can almost guarantee that your PSU will be fine. Could you give the model just to make sure it has enough Amps to power a better video card?

This is my suggestion:

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego ($88.)
Mobo: ASUS P5B-E ($83)
Video Card: BFG 7600GT ($114)
Memory: PQI Turbo 1GB DDR 400 ($93)

Total: $378

So, save an extra $128 and take that 6200 and give it to your sister.

You'll be much happier with this system.

And if you ever feel like overclocking, that 3700+ will overclock really well.
November 17, 2006 2:08:01 PM

Ignore georgelawton, he's being a 'tard.

There is no point in buying a Socket 939 processor.

There is no point in buying DDR memory.

I would suggest saving a further $100 or so, and getting an Asrock 775 DUAL VSTA, an E6300 and some RAM - this will allow you to keep the video card till you can upgrade it further.
November 17, 2006 2:08:53 PM

Athlon64 3500+ 2.2 Ghz 512kb L2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681... U$S 90
Abit NF-M2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681... U$S 90
1 Gb DDR2 667
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682... U$S 90

total = U$S 270 you can use your current hd this motherboard has 2 ide

I am in a similar situation to upgrade my brother's computer, AthlonXP 2400+ 512 Mb DDR 400 FX5200 128Mb agp.

As far as I know agp is dying, besides agp cards costs more than pci express ones don't know why.

For my brother I was thinking in buying Athlon64 3200+ and a motherboard with socket 939 (so I can use current DDR400 ram) and Geforce 6150 chipset so he can use onboard video until he sell his current setup and buys a decent video card.
November 17, 2006 2:38:16 PM

I did a search for this board and found a 939 version and a 775 version. Why not get the 775 version and get a Pentium D805? There is even an open box of this board for $26!! I have to get new memory anyway, and I could get DDR2 instead of DDR, as it's not really that much more. Still use my AGP card, and give me an upgrade path there with the PCIe slot!! I think that's the way to go....dual core and an upgrade both for about $250....
November 17, 2006 2:43:24 PM

Don't get the PD if you are planning to jump ship to Intel. The E6300 is a much better choice.
November 17, 2006 3:30:28 PM

TBH just save your money for a Core 2 Duo system.
November 17, 2006 3:35:59 PM

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Why spend more for a better vid card when I was still being limited with a pentium 3? Sure, I could have gone out and spend $80+ for a 6600GT or whatever, but it would still be running a 4x speed due to the mobo, and be EXTREMELY hindered by a 1.2 ghz processor.

Games are much more graphics-intensive.
I'm sure the 6200 is the biggest bottleneck in your system, even now. When
you upgrade, it will be even worse.
If you get a new mobo, you wont be limited to 4x.

I still say:
3200+
s939 or am2 mobo with pci-e
2*512MB ram (used)
6600GT
will give you the biggest bang for the buck, with a bit of an upgrade path, if
you want to play games, not watch them in comic mode, one frame at a
time.
November 17, 2006 9:11:52 PM

To be honest, I think anything out of the most recent two generations of processors from either company would be a huge upgrade for him. Even as much as PD sucked, getting a whole dual core system for around 150-175 bucks is great no matter how you cut it. 805+ASrock 775+cheap DDR2+6200

Bang for your buck? Not the greatest in the world, but its doable, and will suffice for most older games. Of course for "just a little bit more" one could get a much more powerful system (something I recommend), but if cost (not value) is most important in this situation, the 805 route may be acceptable.

Personally, I wouldn't ever touch a PD system if I was building it. No experience with the hardware, and the A64's of any generation (yes, 754) are able to outperform it in many instances, and are my favorite at the moment. But thats just my opinion. Of course, I'm not looking to buy any new processors any time soon ;) 
November 17, 2006 9:28:39 PM

The PD seriuous performs okay, but I'm not going to be the one that recommends it to anyone.
November 18, 2006 1:39:34 AM

If you want to go the AMD route, then definitely get an AM2 board, and not the socket 939 one. This provides a better route to upgrade with down the road.

Then again, for a bargain box, a Pentium D 805 chip offers a lot of bang for the budget buck and can be had for under $100.
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