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November 17, 2006 2:00:22 PM

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Intel’s latest roadmap unveils a couple of upcoming products in the pipeline. The new products include three value dual-core processors and one new Core 2 Duo E6xxx model. All four upcoming will be based on Intel’s Conroe processor core.

Intel Core 2 Duo Processor
E6390 2.13GHz 1066MHz 2MB
E4300 1.86GHz 800MHz 2MB
E4200 1.60GHz 800MHz 2MB

At the top of the spectrum is the upcoming Core 2 Duo E6390. This is a strange product as it is clocked at 2.13 GHz—same as the E6400 and higher than the E6300. It also features the same 1066 MHz front-side bus and 2MB of shared L2 cache as the E6400. However, the E6390 lacks Intel vPro and VT extensions. Intel EM64T, SpeedStep and Execute Disable Bit technologies are still supported though. Intel Core 2 Duo E6390 is expected to launch in Q3’07 with the upcoming Conroe 1333 MHz front-side bus refresh.


http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=4965

This might have been posted before.
November 17, 2006 2:02:33 PM

Conroe for the masses I presume?
November 17, 2006 2:04:05 PM

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Conroe for the masses I presume?


Allendale for the masses :wink:

E4300 is supposed to hammer x2 3800+ for ~US$11 difference.
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November 17, 2006 2:06:35 PM

I thought these new E6xxx series were actually going to be true Conroes and not just tuned down Allendale's. With that, I think we have to change the price to performance graph once again.
November 17, 2006 2:07:36 PM

The E6390 is a very odd product. Intel needs to stop doing all of these iteration of processors. They're starting to complicate things. AMD's naming scheme is quite simple. AMD is changing the FX from meaning "TOP NOTCH" to meaning "4x4 Processor", but other than that they're not out there confusing people with little iteration that mean very little.
November 17, 2006 2:08:28 PM

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I thought these new E6xxx series were actually going to be true Conroes and not just tuned down Allendale's. With that, I think we have to change the price to performance graph once again.


I don't know. Surely Intel has made the masks for Allendale. :wink:

Also I will expect AMD to cut the prices of x2 series once they ramp up 65nm CPUs.
November 17, 2006 2:08:39 PM

WTF is e6390... Why do they have to come up with random numbers from their ass...

Goddamit, their numbering convention made sense... now I feel as if it's shot to hell...

We gonna get a 6380 with C1E disabled?

A 6370 with EIST disabled?

A 6360 with 50 mhz difference?

Intel should keep it simple... consumers like simple...
November 17, 2006 2:10:41 PM

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The E6390 is a very odd product. Intel needs to stop doing all of these iteration of processors. They're starting to complicate things. AMD's naming scheme is quite simple. AMD is changing the FX from meaning "TOP NOTCH" to meaning "4x4 Processor", but other than that they're not out there confusing people with little iteration that mean very little.


I think the situation is the same as P-D 950 / P-D 945.
So I think E6390 will be priced below E6300.
November 17, 2006 2:12:46 PM

But its 90 more.... Damn it, this is confusing. :?
November 17, 2006 2:14:51 PM

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But its 90 more.... Damn it, this is confusing. :?


A better way for the namings is to name the processor with different suffix such as S6300 vs E6300 :wink:
November 17, 2006 2:17:31 PM

But then that makes the E series look like a Economy class to the uninformed consumer and the S series look like the better class.
November 17, 2006 2:19:07 PM

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But then that makes the E series look like a Economy class to the uninformed consumer and the S series look like the better class.


This question should be left for the Intel marketing gangs. :wink:
November 17, 2006 2:21:58 PM

They're as bad as the marketing group at AMD. Numbers that mean diddly squat.
November 17, 2006 2:25:23 PM

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They're as bad as the marketing group at AMD. Numbers that mean diddly squat.


After AMD introduced P-rating systems, the numbers have been flying around for years :wink:
November 17, 2006 2:26:24 PM

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They're as bad as the marketing group at AMD. Numbers that mean diddly squat.


That's not true. For most applications picking a higher model number meant better performance. Things get a little hairy with the cache size changes, but for the most part I like AMD's number scheme. Their scheme is also VERY easy for a common, non-technical person to understand.

AMD does have issues with jumping product lines though. For example, and Athlon 64 3200+ is the single core version of the Athlon 64 X2 3800+. That can get a little confusing. But for the most part, if you say to yourself, "I want a dual core processor" you can look at the X2 series and understand that a higher number means better performance.

However, for us technical people, we know to look at the cache size. We buy the chips with high cache amounts and then overclock them for even more performance.
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November 17, 2006 2:30:23 PM

I'm more interested about when will they be coming out with faster C2D's in the E series.
November 17, 2006 2:31:46 PM

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I'm more interested about when will they be coming out with faster C2D's in the E series.


There are no indications for a E6800 or so to launch in the coming months.
November 17, 2006 2:31:55 PM

How about we just name chips Intel crap, Intel kinda crap, Intel mediocre, Intel kinda good, Intel Good, Intel kinda better, Intel Better, Intel Kinda Best, Intel Best, Intel VERY Best, Intel VERY VERY Best, and finally, Intel GG PAWNAGE IN THE ARSE I DOMINATE YOU BEST...
November 17, 2006 2:33:10 PM

Pwnage is spelled without an "A"
November 17, 2006 2:33:58 PM

... psh
November 17, 2006 2:37:22 PM

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How about we just name chips Intel crap, Intel kinda crap, Intel mediocre, Intel kinda good, Intel Good, Intel kinda better, Intel Better, Intel Kinda Best, Intel Best, Intel VERY Best, Intel VERY VERY Best, and finally, Intel GG PAWNAGE IN THE ARSE I DOMINATE YOU BEST...


E6300
F6300
G6300
H6300.........

:wink: :wink: :wink:
November 17, 2006 2:37:33 PM

Meh. I just kicked someone off MySpace and I felt like being even more of a bastard.
November 17, 2006 2:37:50 PM

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They're as bad as the marketing group at AMD. Numbers that mean diddly squat.


The one thing that I like about AMD is that there numbering system is very very uniform ever since the XP seires. Now they might not compair to Intel at all back even in the ghz war but you know a 4400+ is better then a 3800+. Ever since Intel ended the ghz war I have really hated there numbering system. I didn't mind the C2D system that much untill now :p .
November 17, 2006 2:41:23 PM

What irks me a bit more is that Intel has not only the C2D, but the CD, the Conroe L, the Pentium series, and the Celeron series still in effect. Just make them all one uniform normal system. Is that too much to ask?
November 17, 2006 2:41:48 PM

Heh, I just use facebook, MySpace is too scary for me...

Yeah, numbers weren't really that bad for AMD, Intel seemed to have nice ones too, the C2Q might cause a bit of confusion, but most people will understand it...

But 6390... ugh
November 17, 2006 2:43:56 PM

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What irks me a bit more is that Intel has not only the C2D, but the CD, the Conroe L, the Pentium series, and the Celeron series still in effect. Just make them all one uniform normal system. Is that too much to ask?


Not so possible........ 8O
Also not good for marketing :wink:
November 17, 2006 2:47:53 PM

As a Net Admin, I'm not allowed to let this kids fool around on MySpace or any kind of gambling sites. Porn, curiously was left out of he list of banned sites. :? :) 
It took me about 1 hr to memorize the C2D lineup. I' too lazy to remember the new additions as of yet.
@qcmadness
It was worth a try right?
November 17, 2006 2:49:23 PM

It is simple. Maybe just not for you. :twisted:
November 17, 2006 2:50:02 PM

Hmmm, I only bothered with the Desktop line and part of the laptop line, I don't even want to know wtf is going on with the Xeon line, especially with all the woodcrest, 51xx xeon's and the 30xx series of xeon's based on Conroe and Allendale...
November 17, 2006 2:51:13 PM

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As a Net Admin, I'm not allowed to let this kids fool around on MySpace or any kind of gambling sites. Porn, curiously was left out of he list of banned sites. :? :) 
It took me about 1 hr to memorize the C2D lineup. I' too lazy to remember the new additions as of yet.
@qcmadness
It was worth a try right?


In fact, it would be very difficult to match a single number scheme for different processor families with different performance characteristics.

For example, how will you position P-D 805 and C-D 360?
November 17, 2006 2:51:30 PM

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What irks me a bit more is that Intel has not only the C2D, but the CD, the Conroe L, the Pentium series, and the Celeron series still in effect. Just make them all one uniform normal system. Is that too much to ask?


I agree with this 100% When I first heard of the C2D I knew they where fast but I didn't understand the numbering system for intel for a long time (since the end of the ghz war) and never really cared so it took me a while to actualy care about C2D.

My point here is that Intels numbering system is a great turn off to there product. I was confused (not that much and given 10 min or so I could find out what intel CPU I would buy but hey Im lazy and I knew AMD's system because its simple) and I know a bit about computers. I wonder how a normal every day american consumer feels about the numbering system or if they can even understand it at all or if they just look for bigger numbers (my bet is they just look for bigger numbers)
November 17, 2006 2:52:43 PM

I see your point. This s almost impossible to implement now. Such a change should have been done long ago.
November 17, 2006 2:52:44 PM

Even worse, the every-day consumer is going to ask the misinformed sales representative what they mean, and since they don't know squat, the consumer is just going to end up in a world of pain...

Reminds me of politics some how... maybe Intel should stop the chip making and start running for political offices...
November 17, 2006 2:55:40 PM

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Even worse, the every-day consumer is going to ask the misinformed sales representative what they mean, and since they don't know squat, the consumer is just going to end up in a world of pain...

Reminds me of politics some how... maybe Intel should stop the chip making and start running for political offices...


Intel's design teams may not be much better than AMD's.
But I am sure that Intel's marketing teams are one of the best in the world. :D 
November 17, 2006 2:56:31 PM

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I see your point. This s almost impossible to implement now. Such a change should have been done long ago.


Intel seems to unify the numbering systems for the prefixes.
Each of them have an unique meaning.

But now Intel is jsut messing them up. :?
November 17, 2006 2:57:25 PM

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What irks me a bit more is that Intel has not only the C2D, but the CD, the Conroe L, the Pentium series, and the Celeron series still in effect. Just make them all one uniform normal system. Is that too much to ask?


I agree with this 100% When I first heard of the C2D I knew they where fast but I didn't understand the numbering system for intel for a long time (since the end of the ghz war) and never really cared so it took me a while to actualy care about C2D.

My point here is that Intels numbering system is a great turn off to there product. I was confused (not that much and given 10 min or so I could find out what intel CPU I would buy but hey Im lazy and I knew AMD's system because its simple) and I know a bit about computers. I wonder how a normal every day american consumer feels about the numbering system or if they can even understand it at all or if they just look for bigger numbers (my bet is they just look for bigger numbers)
Probably the biggest confusion people have is the Core Duo and the Core 2 Duo. Its naming hell.
November 17, 2006 2:58:06 PM

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Even worse, the every-day consumer is going to ask the misinformed sales representative what they mean, and since they don't know squat, the consumer is just going to end up in a world of pain...

Reminds me of politics some how... maybe Intel should stop the chip making and start running for political offices...


LOL yeah I almost for got about the good old sales person. Poor guy cant even go by how much it costs anymore :p . As a test I think Im going to go to a computer store tonight and ask about the Intel Line up and see what the salesperson says :p .

Politics is much worse you cant get a bench mark for politics!
November 17, 2006 2:58:48 PM

:lol: 

They managed to sell P4s, so they can sell anything.
November 17, 2006 2:59:44 PM

True true... Core Duo, Core 2 Duo, and Core 2 Quad...

Sigh...
November 17, 2006 3:02:21 PM

I know the entire 30xx Xeon series, most of the 5xxx Xeon series, all of the Pentium D number series, a good portion of the Core 2 Duo series (Damn you Intel, I have to go back and learn it again. Curses....), and the entire mobile lineup. I have no idea about the Core Duo lineup or the Core Solo series. Forget about the Conroe L. I'm in the dark about the Itaniums and the 7xxx series Xeons.
don't get me started on what I don't know about AMD. Problems come with a Intel preference.
November 17, 2006 3:02:47 PM

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Even worse, the every-day consumer is going to ask the misinformed sales representative what they mean, and since they don't know squat, the consumer is just going to end up in a world of pain...

Reminds me of politics some how... maybe Intel should stop the chip making and start running for political offices...


Intel's design teams may not be much better than AMD's.
But I am sure that Intel's marketing teams are one of the best in the world. :D 

But this is great marketing. Most people don't understand computers at all but they buy them anyways and the best way to get people to buy top of the line and or CPUs that are out of date (the P4 Netbuster) is to set up a numbering system that confuses the consumer and salesperson so they just go by price and don't care about proformance.

Got to love Capitalism
November 17, 2006 3:05:55 PM

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I know the entire 30xx Xeon series, most of the 5xxx Xeon series, all of the Pentium D number series, a good portion of the Core 2 Duo series (Damn you Intel, I have to go back and learn it again. Curses....), and the entire mobile lineup. I have no idea about the Core Duo lineup or the Core Solo series. Forget about the Conroe L.


I just remember the code names of AMD / Intel CPUs.
I will find their specs if I need to.
It would be too harsh for me to remember all the CPU characters.

http://processorfinder.intel.com
http://www.amdcompare.com

:wink:
November 17, 2006 3:07:57 PM

Eh, its easier to keep track of only the things you will buy, I'm not bothering with any AMD roadmap right now, since I have enough Intel stuff in my head flying around...

They should take a cue from the graphics companies though... although you still have older model products beating newer models... ugh...
November 17, 2006 3:09:29 PM

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Eh, its easier to keep track of only the things you will buy, I'm not bothering with any AMD roadmap right now, since I have enough Intel stuff in my head flying around...

They should take a cue from the graphics companies though... although you still have older model products beating newer models... ugh...


I have quited the "graphics market" for ages since the debut of R420.

I just can remember R(V)3xx and NV3x
:roll:
November 17, 2006 3:11:29 PM

ewwww... your still gaming in the dark ages huh...
November 17, 2006 3:12:40 PM

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How about we just name chips Intel crap, Intel kinda crap, Intel mediocre, Intel kinda good, Intel Good, Intel kinda better, Intel Better, Intel Kinda Best, Intel Best, Intel VERY Best, Intel VERY VERY Best, and finally, Intel GG PAWNAGE IN THE ARSE I DOMINATE YOU BEST...


ROFL!

Hey, if it works for car washes why wouldn't it work for Intel?

AMD has essentially done what you are talking about:

Good - Sempron
Better - Athlon 64
Best - Athlon 64 X2
Better than Best - Athlon 64 FX

Simple! AMD is also very good at phasing out old products. Intel has so much crap floating around it's unbelievable:

Pentium 4
Pentium D
Pentium 4 EE
Celeron
Celeron D
Core Solo
Core Duo
Core 2 Duo
Core 2 Duo EE

Hope I'm not forgetting anything. Don't even get me started on the Pentium 4 and Pentium D numbering + random letter scheme!
November 17, 2006 3:12:45 PM

Damn these new fangled devices, damn Intel and their bullshit naming scheme, damn AMD and their rabid bunch of fanboys, damn Via for being Via, and damn these idiot kids that keep trying to access MySpace! Can't they get the message?
November 17, 2006 3:14:33 PM

Pentium EE
Celeron
Celeron D
Core 2 Quadro
Core 2 Quadro EE
November 17, 2006 3:15:29 PM

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ewwww... your still gaming in the dark ages huh...


Im gaming in the dark ages 2400+ R9700 Pro, 512 PC2100ram, A7n8x motherboard. :p 
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