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November 19, 2006 2:23:06 AM

I need a MOBO that will allow Dual G80 SLI, a PhysX card, an X-Fi card and a TV card. Any advice? I'm a little confused here. Some PC builders like Alienware will say you can't have Dual SLI, a PhysX card and an X-Fi card because there are not enough slots, but Dell allows the configuration and shows no objection. Can anyone explain which 680i board would be best for adding extra cards like the X-Fi card? I'm looking at the EVGA and the Striker Extreme MOBO's. Which is better?
November 19, 2006 3:37:05 AM

I didn't even know there was motherboards with four GFX slots..

And what in the world would you need FOUR G80 gpus for anyway? O_o

PhysX is completely useless anyway, it serves nearly no purpose at all.
There's what, three or four games that even enable the use of it?
November 19, 2006 3:47:55 AM

Not four GPU's, two. Dual cards in SLI.
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November 19, 2006 3:49:50 AM

Your topic says dual sli... sli is already the act of having two cards ;P

Anyway, get an external TV-tuner, I couldn't find any mobos with three pci sockets AND SLi support..

Ditch the PhysX and get one step stronger CPU or something.
November 19, 2006 4:40:10 AM

Hey, any 680i mobo should do! get a pci-e 1x tuner card, and there's a third pci-e x16 slot for a ppu(when they're released in pci-e format). the X-fi should slide in nicly to that one pci slot.

but right now he's right physics is all hype, however in not too long (mid-2007) physics is going to beome a great add-on if not a nesscesity for high-end gaming...

Edit: i just looked and the EVGa 680i mobo has 2 pci slots so it looks like ur good to go for a crrent gen phys card and ur x-fi, as well as a pci-e 1x tv tuner. newegg used to have a ATI thetre card in pci-e, however i cant find it on thier site nemore...
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November 19, 2006 4:54:52 AM

About the PhysX card. I think you simply should dump the whole idea. The idea of the PhysX card was really good during its initial release but it ain't looking so hot now. Quad-core processors promise to do the additional physics processing, plus video card makers are thinking of integrating it to the video card (though i haven't seen any indication that it's really going to happen). I haven't seen any games today that are retail that say "you have to have a PhysX card to run this."


EDIT: But I could be wrong.. :p 
November 19, 2006 5:04:59 AM

honestly i suppose i do have to agree, and both ATi and Nvidia have discussed dumping physics to an extra GPU in ur sys so, yeah...


so you have 2 PCI slots, 3 pci-e x16, and 2 pci-e x1 on the EVGa 680i.


PCI 1: SPU(x-fi) PCI 2: tv tuner PCI-e16 1 GPU 1 PCI-e16 2: open/future GPU/PPU PCI-e16 3: 2nd GPU PCI-e1 1&2: unnocupied. Right? so the 680i should do just fine however i'd be worried about the R600...
November 19, 2006 5:34:33 AM

you can 't use the bottom pci slot in on the evga if you are running sli'd 8800GTX's.
November 19, 2006 4:27:45 PM

The Striker comes with an audio riser, which takes up a slot so I would stick with the eVGA...

Plus the Striker is overpriced...
November 19, 2006 8:33:51 PM

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The Striker comes with an audio riser, which takes up a slot so I would stick with the eVGA...

Plus the Striker is overpriced...


I'm using the evga 680i, and i love it.
November 19, 2006 10:05:11 PM

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I didn't even know there was motherboards with four GFX slots..

And what in the world would you need FOUR G80 gpus for anyway? O_o


4X4, comes out in about a week and a halfThat doesn't make it a viable solution.

I say go for the eVga 680i with two 8800GTXs, a Kentsfield and an X-Fi Fatal1ty if you're really trying to max out your system. Don't bother with the PhysX card.
November 19, 2006 10:09:55 PM

Which is better the SupremeFX / DTS Connect / Array Mic / Noise Filter on-board sound card, found on the ASUS Striker Extreme Motherboard or a Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro Series sound card? And why?

Also will an X-Fi card fit the SupremeFX card slot?
November 21, 2006 3:00:47 AM

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Which is better the SupremeFX / DTS Connect / Array Mic / Noise Filter on-board sound card, found on the ASUS Striker Extreme Motherboard or a Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro Series sound card? And why?


The Fatal1ty is way better, 64 meg onboard RAM to store sounds and free up system RAM, offloads work from your CPU, lots of games support EAX and XFi. The riser card is most likely a based off some kind of CODEX, so its going to eat up some of your CPU.

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Also will an X-Fi card fit the SupremeFX card slot?

I don't Think so, its a riser card slot , not a full PCI slot. They did that to remove some components off the motherboard because it so stuffed full of features. Many hardcore gamers would never dream of using that anyways so will just leave that riser card off the system.
November 21, 2006 3:16:32 AM

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I need a MOBO that will allow Dual G80 SLI, a PhysX card, an X-Fi card and a TV card. Any advice? I'm a little confused here. Some PC builders like Alienware will say you can't have Dual SLI, a PhysX card and an X-Fi card because there are not enough slots, but Dell allows the configuration and shows no objection. Can anyone explain which 680i board would be best for adding extra cards like the X-Fi card? I'm looking at the EVGA and the Striker Extreme MOBO's. Which is better?


I've read a ton of reviews of both boards, both seem to be great boards. the ASUS striker is about $200.00 more. There is a P5N32-E SLI version similar to the striker, but as of this writing, nooner seems to have any 680i Asus boards in stock. The EVGA board is widely availalable, but Evga is known for poor customer service.

The striker does appear to have a somewhat better heat pipe system, it's got the backpannel LCD screen and blue LED lights on the motherboard. It's not a refrence board made by Foxcon like the Evga and BFG boards are.

Performance wise both boards are going to be pretty close to the same, the striker supposedly has better components so has the potential to overclock better. Bottom line is if cost is an issue, go with the EVGA, if maximum overclocking is what your shooting for, you may have better luck with Asus.

I believe all of the 680i boards have an extra 8x PCIE slot that will support using a third graphics card as a physics card later this year when Nvidia release driver support for it. as far as the PhysX card, that is only available as a PCI card at the moment and has limited support, so unless your a Ghost recon junky, I'd avoid it for now and just see how that 3rd slot will work our down the road.
November 21, 2006 11:34:00 AM

Valve just signed a deal to incoporate the PhysX engine in their games... shrug.

nVidia and ATI are talking about using an older graphics card as a physics card, which should also help us enthusiasts who upgrade a lot. My take on this, wait for physics, leave your options open, but don't take the jump.

Board-wise, I see no reason for anyone to get the striker unless they wipe their butt's with money. The eVGA performs perfectly fine, and has proven to be a nice board. Not to mention the audio rise for the striker kills off one expansion card, and the sound quality difference is negligible.
November 21, 2006 11:58:38 AM

Instead of telling this guy to ditch the PhysX card... we should all be trying to sell him our stuff we regret buying. Anyone who is considering one of those cards at this point has serious issues or else is living in a bubble.
November 21, 2006 2:18:43 PM

There are boards with 3 PCI-E slots. The X-Fi cards take a regular old PCI slot, and I think X-Fi is over-rated. Look into other suitable but cheaper cards, there are several with 24-bit support. The PhysX card sucks. Rodney, you actually bought one? Research man, research.
November 21, 2006 3:25:22 PM

Hell no I didn't buy a PhysX card... I was waiting until after the reviews came out before I made a decision... and I'm GLAD I did. Although I do put considerable effort into researching my purchases... that's not a skill I developed overnight... so yes, in my younger days I'm sure I bought plenty of crap I should have passed on.

When I was 10 my mom bought me a PS/2 30-286... had I picked up and read a PC Magazine at the time I would have known that it was incredibly overpriced... especially in a world of 386 SXs that were so common that year. I hated that computer and my neighbor (owner of a local computer business) for selling it to us.
November 22, 2006 1:28:37 AM

Doesn't that kinda go for most of this hardware? :-P All we really NEED is an email/internet system, and we only really NEED the net to find movie times and information...even then, there's the phone book. But do we really NEED movie times anyway? Or a phone? Sure, the dark ages weren't that great...but people ate, lived, and had family and music nonetheless. Spending hard earned money on hardware that is gold one day and junk the next...is still kinda silly. But this is an enthusiast site and I'm guilty just the same. :-) I saw an FX-53 processor for sock 939 for sale last night priced at $114. Today it was changed to $800+ I don't get it. LOL The FX-60 dual core is found for around $400.
November 22, 2006 3:20:24 PM

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Also will an X-Fi card fit the SupremeFX card slot?

I don't Think so, its a riser card slot , not a full PCI slot. They did that to remove some components off the motherboard because it so stuffed full of features. Many hardcore gamers would never dream of using that anyways so will just leave that riser card off the system.

Really? The Riser card slot looks like a small pci x1 slot, like the one below.
I really want an enthusiast board with these features but I also want 7 expansion slots.

I've been looking at various custom PC builders like Velocity Micro, Alienware and Dell, and I think it would be cheaper to build a system myself. From different configurations I've seen I think I'm leaning toward
• Processor Intel® Core™ 2 Extreme processor QX6700, quad 2.66GHz cores, 8MB L2 Cache
• ASUS Striker Extreme Socket T (LGA 775) NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Motherboard or similar board.
• ENERMAX GALAXY EGA1000EWL ATX/BTX 1000W Power Supply 100
• DDR2 Memory 4096MB Corsair Dominator DDR2-1066 Twin2X2048-8500C5D* Dual-path Heat Xchange
• 2 x BFG Tech GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB Water Cooled PCI Express graphics card in SLI DDR3 PCI-Express
• Multimedia TV Tuners ATI Theater™ 650 PRO or ATI TV Wonder 650
ATI Technologies TV Wonder 650 PCI NTSC
• Physics Processor 128mb Asus® AGEIA™ PhysX™ Processor Ghost Recon Edition
• Areca ARC-1210 4 ports 500 MHz PCI-Express to SATA-II RAID 6 Adapter, Areca Premium 256M SoDimm ECC-Raid Controller card.
• 4 x 150GB Western Digital Raptor 10,000rpm SATA/150, 16MB Cache, NCQ -RAID 0 Stripe (600GB Total)

• Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series sound card , 64MB X-RAM for high performance and superior digital audio
• Floppy Drive & Media Reader 8-in-1 Floppy Drive & Media Reader Combo
• Bigfoot Networks Killer NIC M1 10/100/1000Mbps PCI Network Adapter with a 400 MHz Network Processing Unit (NPU) 1 x RJ-45, 1 x USB2.0

• Microsoft® Windows® Vista Home Premium Edition
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November 22, 2006 3:59:38 PM

If you're looking to use a lot of add-ins ie Physx, X-Fi etc. then you definitely want to stick with the eVGA board. The Striker wastes a PCI-x1 slot on the audio riser card which you won't use due to the X-Fi you want to add.

Looking at the board if you go SLI you should be able to fit all you ask for in it but I might suggest waiting on the Physx PCI-x1 card to hit unless you already have the regular PCI variant already.
November 22, 2006 4:00:27 PM

LOL... this guy STILL has a PhysX card in his build... AND the KillerNIC.

Man, this build just made my day.
November 22, 2006 4:05:17 PM

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Really? The Riser card slot looks like a small pci x1 slot, like the one below.


The slot for the riser card is a "reversed" PCI-x1 slot. You can't put any other type card in it as it would have to stick out the back of the case to do so.

On the Killer nic card: I have seem reports of it modestly increasing some FPS or swiftness when using voip programs and such but the 680i boards already include something very similar in prioritizing packets which should help in a similar way. I "personally" can't see the extra $250 or so being worth it especially coupled with a 680i board. I'd still stick with the eVGA one for the riser card reason stated above.

EDIT: Everything in your list should work fine with the eVGA 680i board from what I can tell. If you MUST put the Killer NIC in there then I would lean even more to the eVGA for the extra port.
Unless something "better" (read not Asus with their slot-wasting board) comes out the eVGA is what I'll go with. As a sidenote I've followed their forums a little and looks like they're working quickly to solve any quirks of the 680i chipset with nVidia and drivers. I'm more sold on them the more I read about them.
November 22, 2006 4:17:52 PM

Physx = crap that Dell is trying to push right now (for some odd reason...). Stay away.
November 22, 2006 4:18:50 PM

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LOL... this guy STILL has a PhysX card in his build... AND the KillerNIC.

Man, this build just made my day.

He obviously has more money than brains :lol: 
November 22, 2006 4:51:46 PM

The G80 supports physic on the card the feature is called cuda.
November 22, 2006 5:01:39 PM

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I've been looking at various custom PC builders like Velocity Micro, Alienware and Dell, and I think it would be cheaper to build a system myself. From different configurations I've seen I think I'm leaning toward
• Processor Intel® Core™ 2 Extreme processor QX6700, quad 2.66GHz cores, 8MB L2 Cache
• ASUS Striker Extreme Socket T (LGA 775) NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Motherboard or similar board.
• ENERMAX GALAXY EGA1000EWL ATX/BTX 1000W Power Supply 100
• DDR2 Memory 4096MB Corsair Dominator DDR2-1066 Twin2X2048-8500C5D* Dual-path Heat Xchange
• 2 x BFG Tech GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB Water Cooled PCI Express graphics card in SLI DDR3 PCI-Express
• Multimedia TV Tuners ATI Theater™ 650 PRO or ATI TV Wonder 650
ATI Technologies TV Wonder 650 PCI NTSC
• Physics Processor 128mb Asus® AGEIA™ PhysX™ Processor Ghost Recon Edition
• Areca ARC-1210 4 ports 500 MHz PCI-Express to SATA-II RAID 6 Adapter, Areca Premium 256M SoDimm ECC-Raid Controller card.
• 4 x 150GB Western Digital Raptor 10,000rpm SATA/150, 16MB Cache, NCQ -RAID 0 Stripe (600GB Total)

• Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series sound card , 64MB X-RAM for high performance and superior digital audio
• Floppy Drive & Media Reader 8-in-1 Floppy Drive & Media Reader Combo
• Bigfoot Networks Killer NIC M1 10/100/1000Mbps PCI Network Adapter with a 400 MHz Network Processing Unit (NPU) 1 x RJ-45, 1 x USB2.0

• Microsoft® Windows® Vista Home Premium Edition
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First, the Striker Extreme only has 6 expansion slots (3x PCIe x16 - 2 used by your 8800GTX's, 1 used by the Areca RAID card; 1x PCIe x1 - not used; 2x PCI - 4 used by your X-Fi, KillerNIC, PhysX card and TV Tuner card) meaning that you have 2 too many PCI devices. The slot above your video card is only usable by the ASUS SupremeFX audio card.

Second, you do realize that you will require a water-cooling setup in the machine to take advantage of the single-slot GeForce 8800GTX's, right? If you don't implement a water-cooling setup for them, they will fry. If you're not going to use water cooling, then you will need the standard BFG 8800GTX's which are dual-slot, and will lose 2 slots (one PCI, one PCIe x1).

Third, if you are going to spend ~$1500+ on a RAID setup, make it RAID 5. Otherwise you are wasting the ~$500+ RAID controller card using it for a RAID 0. Better yet, use 2x 150GB Raptors in RAID-0 for system on the nVidia controller, then use the Areca for a 4-drive RAID-5 of Seagate Barracuda 7200.10's of 320GB+ capacity.

Fourth, rather than dropping $250+ on a "Killer NIC", I would suggest looking at some of the Intel Pro/1000 Server network cards, as you can probably find one for cheaper with better support (and likely better optimized TCP/IP offload functionality).

Fifth, wait on the PhysX... until you get about 6 months from now, you won't know what Physics technology is going to become mainstream (assuming it will even be one of the current ones ...). With the Ageia using the PhysX implementation, and ATI and nVidia both buying into the Havok implementation via a tertiary video card running on a x8 lane, it's not worth $250+ without knowing if it will actually be of much use long-term.

Sixth, you won't actually be able to get Vista until Jan. 30/2007, so you may want to purchase a copy of XP MCE/XP Pro with an "Express Upgrade" coupon to assist in your migration to Vista.

UPDATE:
You could probably find the Intel Server network cards in a PCIe x1 variant, which would bring you down to one unsupported PCI card in your build.
END UPDATE

Just my $0.02. :) 
November 22, 2006 5:03:33 PM

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The G80 supports physic on the card the feature is called cuda.
Well, CUDA does more than physics processing, but, yes, that's one of it's applications. Read more on it here if you like:

http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda.html

Anyway, the point is: PhysX has like 3 games that support it (last time I checked, maybe it's taking off but I doubt it). As soon as nVidia/ATI are like "gee, I guess we will do physics processing", every game made will support it, and the PhysX will be an unpleasant memory (maybe one of them will buy Ageia or something).

Since the G80 has CUDA built in to it, it seems like this is in the works now. So, buying PhysX + G80 (especially in SLI) is pointless.
November 22, 2006 5:35:59 PM

Along with not buying the PhysX, I vote for a cheaper sound card...I'm telling you, $200+ bucks for the Fatality isn't worth it. I bought it and regret it!
November 22, 2006 7:29:42 PM

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Along with not buying the PhysX, I vote for a cheaper sound card...I'm telling you, $200+ bucks for the Fatality isn't worth it. I bought it and regret it!

No comment on the killer NIC? Just going to let that one slide? :D 
November 22, 2006 10:56:00 PM

I highly doubt he needs a network card or a raid card. Is he using SCSI? His motherboard comes with both I'd imagine. :-P Happy? If the fool wants to throw money down the tubes, let him.
November 22, 2006 11:52:31 PM

Yeah I'm happy now. Anyway, yeah, I'll let him throw his money away. Sorry for trying to help somebody ;) .
November 23, 2006 12:48:36 AM

The 8800 has quantum physics so that would be good enough. And besides I think that PhysX card will slow down the system anyways.
November 23, 2006 12:53:51 AM

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• 2 x BFG Tech GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB Water Cooled PCI Express graphics card in SLI DDR3 PCI-Express


Just repeating what someone above this post said... you DO realize you'll need a water cooling system... in other words, the only thing special about that card is that it's already got a water block on it... you'll still need a pump, tubing, a raditor, etc...

Let's be honest... does anyone think this guy is REALLY going to buy all of this?
November 23, 2006 12:59:33 AM

Good question :D 
November 23, 2006 1:52:29 AM

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The 8800 has quantum physics so that would be good enough. And besides I think that PhysX card will slow down the system anyways.


I didn't know they incorporated going from point a to point b without going in between. That's amazing! Will the card help me time travel as well or just insta-travel? :-P

Actually, I haven't done much research on the 8800 cards yet. They really come with a water block? I hope it's a good one as I prefer to go quality on things I buy.

A PhysX card can increase productivity! If you jam it into your butt crack you may find you spend less time sitting around. To get back to being lazy, find a chair with a hole in the middle. Try the bathroom. The PhysX card belongs in the pooper. :-P
November 23, 2006 2:07:04 AM

That particular one he chose does have the waterblock already sitting on it... and it accepts all sizes of tubing.

It'll still melt to a crisp without water circulating through it though.

Most still come with heatsinks and fans.
November 23, 2006 2:05:37 PM

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I've been looking at various custom PC builders like Velocity Micro, Alienware and Dell, and I think it would be cheaper to build a system myself. From different configurations I've seen I think I'm leaning toward
• Processor Intel® Core™ 2 Extreme processor QX6700, quad 2.66GHz cores, 8MB L2 Cache
• ASUS Striker Extreme Socket T (LGA 775) NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Motherboard or similar board.
• ENERMAX GALAXY EGA1000EWL ATX/BTX 1000W Power Supply 100
• DDR2 Memory 4096MB Corsair Dominator DDR2-1066 Twin2X2048-8500C5D* Dual-path Heat Xchange
• 2 x BFG Tech GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB Water Cooled PCI Express graphics card in SLI DDR3 PCI-Express
• Multimedia TV Tuners ATI Theater™ 650 PRO or ATI TV Wonder 650
ATI Technologies TV Wonder 650 PCI NTSC
• Physics Processor 128mb Asus® AGEIA™ PhysX™ Processor Ghost Recon Edition
• Areca ARC-1210 4 ports 500 MHz PCI-Express to SATA-II RAID 6 Adapter, Areca Premium 256M SoDimm ECC-Raid Controller card.
• 4 x 150GB Western Digital Raptor 10,000rpm SATA/150, 16MB Cache, NCQ -RAID 0 Stripe (600GB Total)

• Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series sound card , 64MB X-RAM for high performance and superior digital audio
• Floppy Drive & Media Reader 8-in-1 Floppy Drive & Media Reader Combo
• Bigfoot Networks Killer NIC M1 10/100/1000Mbps PCI Network Adapter with a 400 MHz Network Processing Unit (NPU) 1 x RJ-45, 1 x USB2.0

• Microsoft® Windows® Vista Home Premium Edition
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First, the Striker Extreme only has 6 expansion slots (3x PCIe x16 - 2 used by your 8800GTX's, 1 used by the Areca RAID card; 1x PCIe x1 - not used; 2x PCI - 4 used by your X-Fi, KillerNIC, PhysX card and TV Tuner card) meaning that you have 2 too many PCI devices. The slot above your video card is only usable by the ASUS SupremeFX audio card.

Second, you do realize that you will require a water-cooling setup in the machine to take advantage of the single-slot GeForce 8800GTX's, right? If you don't implement a water-cooling setup for them, they will fry. If you're not going to use water cooling, then you will need the standard BFG 8800GTX's which are dual-slot, and will lose 2 slots (one PCI, one PCIe x1).

Third, if you are going to spend ~$1500+ on a RAID setup, make it RAID 5. Otherwise you are wasting the ~$500+ RAID controller card using it for a RAID 0. Better yet, use 2x 150GB Raptors in RAID-0 for system on the nVidia controller, then use the Areca for a 4-drive RAID-5 of Seagate Barracuda 7200.10's of 320GB+ capacity.

Fourth, rather than dropping $250+ on a "Killer NIC", I would suggest looking at some of the Intel Pro/1000 Server network cards, as you can probably find one for cheaper with better support (and likely better optimized TCP/IP offload functionality).

Fifth, wait on the PhysX... until you get about 6 months from now, you won't know what Physics technology is going to become mainstream (assuming it will even be one of the current ones ...). With the Ageia using the PhysX implementation, and ATI and nVidia both buying into the Havok implementation via a tertiary video card running on a x8 lane, it's not worth $250+ without knowing if it will actually be of much use long-term.

Sixth, you won't actually be able to get Vista until Jan. 30/2007, so you may want to purchase a copy of XP MCE/XP Pro with an "Express Upgrade" coupon to assist in your migration to Vista.

Just my $0.02. :) 

Thanks, you've been more help than most.
I'm well aware of water cooling.

My set up now is:GIGABYTE "GA-8IK1100" i875P
Swiftech Extreme Duty all-copper MCX159-CU chipset heatsink on the
Northbridge, plus Microcool Silver SouthSink & both Microcool ChipSink
Cooling Kit and microsinks
Intel Prescott 3.2E
Aquagate Water cooling System
OCZ 4GB (4 x 1GB) PC 3200 Dual Channel Platinum System Memory
Supertalent memory cooler
HIS Excalibur ATI Radeon X850XT IceQ II Turbo VIVO 256MB AGP
Maxtor 200GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive with 8MB Cache
Seagate 200GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive with 8MB Cache
CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS
StarTech PCISATA2U5 - Storage / USB2.0 controller - SATA-150 - 150
MSI SATA 52x CDRW/DVD
Benq 1655 DVD-RW with Lightscribe
Logisys FP206BK Black 3.5 Inch LCD Thermal Controller (to monitor Hard
drives)
VANTEC NXP-305-BK Black Fan & Light Controller Panel
Koutech SOHOUSB IO-FPM220 3.5" Floppy Drive & Multi Card Reader Front Panel
Epower Jaguar 450W PSU
Windows XP Pro w/sp2
Dell 1800fp UltraSharp 18" LCD Flat Panel Display
Logitech cordless Laser Mouse
Logitech g-15 back lit gaming keyboard
SuperMax usb 56k modem
Wacom Graphire Digital Tablet & pen
Canon i9900 printer
Microtek v6usl Scanner
Canon Pro1 Digital Camera
and recently available AT&T DSL Pro. Elite isn't available yet.

I usually research a lot before I jump into something and this is research.

I've read reviews that the Killer NIC card isn't worth the expense now but I hoped it's price would drop when I was ready to add it to a system.

The PhysX card? most high-end PC builders include it as an option, and reviews I've read have been promising. I read that the G80 would handle PhysX but then why is it still a build option if it's a redundant technology? I know the obvious answer would be money, but I wish someone like THG would look into it and review it. The PhysX card is still a new idea but if your building a system that will cost several grand then it should still be an option.

As for the Raid card. The December issue of CPU Computer Power User has an article on hardware raid.

"A Necessity Or Novelty?"
Hardware Raid vs Software raid, Regardless of the type of RAID Array they employed, "the Areca hardware controller dominated the ICH7R. In regard to RAID 0 performance, the hardware and software controllers were comparable in Random Access and Read performance and in the various PCMark05 tests, but the hardware controller more than doubled the performance of the ICH7R in the Burst Read and Write Average tests. In RAID 5 configuration, the deltas get even larger, especially in regard to average write performance in which the Areca card offered a 25 fold increase in performance." Also, Velocity Micro includes a raid card in their high end PC builds. So I think they agree.
As for cost? I found the card for a little over $300.00 on line.

I guess if I can wait till this time next year, I've read that PCI Express 2.0 will be equiped on motherboards by next summer, DDR 3 memory is due out next year and Intel on the 45nm in the second half of 2007.
November 23, 2006 3:04:37 PM

Once you're buying all top-end components and still have money to burn, I guess certain products like that KillerNIC don't seem as wasteful/pointless...

I've never found myself in that situation so I can't really relate. Because that PhysX card uses the PCI bus, it'll be sharing bandwidth with a sound card and possibly that KillerNIC among other things... I just don't think it's a good idea. Believe me... I had high hopes for that card... the only good thing I can say about it is that it was a good wake-up call to NVidia/ATI and as a result we'll probably have better physics in our games. Probably not how the company wanted to be remembered, but that's just how it goes.
November 23, 2006 3:30:03 PM

I read that the PhysX card actually messed up the physics in a game they were using for the review. It offset the graphics too much. Either the software company didn't know how to use the card, or the card really wasn't necessary. If a current GPU has enough power to do extra calculations, then why bother with another card? If you want more explosions and life-like objects, you just need a more powerful card really. They can always make a check box on the game or application to turn the feature off. If they standardize, they can make it automatically adjust to your hardware setup. They should be doing that anyway. We should be able to get maximum features and graphics, without having to tune our video cards for games. They could just allow a couple of slider bars for graphics/textures vs frame rates and objects vs frame rates. That way if we want more robust explosions at the cost of frame rates we can adjust how the explosion looks, i.e. more debris or more smoke.
November 25, 2006 3:40:01 PM

Well, it's P975 and not 680i, but the ASUS P5W64-WS Pro does have 4 PCI-e running at x16, plus to regular PCI slots. You could fit all your cards in there.
November 25, 2006 5:18:57 PM

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Well, it's P975 and not 680i, but the ASUS P5W64-WS Pro does have 4 PCI-e running at x16, plus to regular PCI slots. You could fit all your cards in there.


Actually, it's i975X... the only chipsets which aren't prefixed with i then suffixed with a capitalized X, Xx, P, Px, G, Gx are the following:

P965
Q965
Q963
G965

In addition, while that board does support 4x PCIe x16 slots, all 4 of them are one right above the other, therefore you would be highly limited in terms of which cards you could install in it. Also, it only has 2x PCI slots, therefore it would not solve his problem due to this very limitation. It also does not support SLI, therefore nullifying it as an option as well.
November 25, 2006 6:57:41 PM

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Actually, it's i975X...

I wasn't trying to correct someone on their typing - it was just a statement since it seemed he wanted a 680i solution. But your info is good to know anyways.
As for the other requirements not being met on this board - good catch.
November 25, 2006 7:54:22 PM

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LOL... this guy STILL has a PhysX card in his build... AND the KillerNIC.

Man, this build just made my day.


Mine too, what a rich noob :roll: , anyone who knows anything, knows that the Killer Nic and the Ageia physx are a joke.
November 25, 2006 8:51:30 PM

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LOL... this guy STILL has a PhysX card in his build... AND the KillerNIC.

Man, this build just made my day.


Mine too, what a rich noob :roll: , anyone who knows anything, knows that the Killer Nic and the Ageia physx are a joke.


Too bad we haven't seen a question asking if you can do "dual audio cards in SLI".

I guess no one's been that "creative" yet. :lol: 
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