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I just installed this card in my computer, which has two monitors connected. One is my conventional analog primary monitor, and the other is a hi-def tv that I use as a secondary monitor from time to time.

In any case, the card, and indeed Windows itself will not boot when the dvi connected monitor is plugged into the new video card. We got it working once by plugging it in when the computer was already turned on, but a reboot failed as did numerous other tests. Everything works fine when only the analog monitor is plugged in. We also tried unplugging the analog and going with just the dvi, but it failed in the same manner.

Basically, bios starts on both screens, then it shifts to my regular analog monitor traditionally. That isn't happening though, and instead the monitor displays the warning message about going into standbye mode and then does in fact go into standbye. At this point Windows fails to boot, as no sounds indicate such a success.

This must be a windows only issue, because the bios works.

What do I do? This is really frustrating!

Thanks all.

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Since the system POSTs with both screens hooked up, it seems unlikely that there is a hardware issue. It sounds more like Windows and/or the driver version that you have is acting up. I have an X800XL AGP installed in my old desktop, and although I have never tried hooking it up to an HDTV, I did find that all driver versions newer than 6.5 (released May 2006) caused serious stability issues.

If you are running a newer driver, my recommendation is that you perform a complete removal of all ATi-related software using the option in Add/Remove programs. Then you should install an older driver version (from the packaged driver CD if you don't have any archived driver versions). You should probably also run DirectX setup just to make sure all components are installed.

If you have not tried the newest driver version, then my recommendation is that you get it from ATi's site before trying anything else.

There are some other possibilities, but driver problems seem to be the most likely cause, so try some different driver versions and post back with your results.

Reply to capnbfg

Your solution makes sense. Unfortunately, two of us were unable to get any drivers from ATI's site last night, for any card, or at least for any card running under Windows XP. Wait, I'm trying again at the time of this posting and now it allows me to download. Are the display drivers for this card series called "Catalyst" drivers? I have the option to download Catalyst separately, but selecting drivers still brings up a list of Catalyst drivers, the most recent being 6.11, released just a few days ago.

I did a little more checking before going to bed last night. The dvi TV/monitor works great every time it is plugged in after boot, but fails every time it is plugged in during a restart or cold boot. Plugging it in live does mean that I have to configure the resolution and sort out which monitor is which, but the computer doesn't complain about it. This is entirely a boot problem.

Should I try to update the bios on the card? Never done that before.

A few more bits of info:
When I pull up display properties --> settings --> advanced --> adapter --> properties, I get the usual data, which includes this little snippet: PCI bus 1, device 0, function 0, but this card is an AGP card. Is the AGP port sometimes called PCI bus 1? The system knows it's an AGP card in other places even within these display menus.

I just finished downloading "Catalyst driver" v6.11. When I pull up my current driver info, it says I have 6.14.10.6512, which was released last year. I am somewhat confused, but am hoping that the Catalyst driver package includes a newer regular video driver that is newer than this one.

I am also aware that you are indicating there are problems with the latest driver, but I figure it might be best to start with that one and work back.

Other advice is more than welcome here, folks. Thanks again.

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Yes, the ATi drivers are called Catalyst, and the driver suite is called Catalyst Control Center. I think version numbers confused you because you looked at the 2D driver version, which does not directly correspond to the Catalyst version number. 6.11 will in fact be newer than what you have installed, and the 2D version will be 6.14.10.6648.

See if version 6.11 fixes your problems. If not, you will need to get ahold of 6.4 or 6.5 to try out. I have backups of every driver I have ever downloaded, so if you cannot find them anywhere then I can host them on my web space on Tuesday or Wednesday after I get home for Thanksgiving vacation.

I've never dealt with updating a video card BIOS, so I can't really advise you one way or the other in that regard. However, if different video drivers do not fix your problem, I would recommend that you update your motherboard drivers and possibly flash that BIOS (if you feel comfortable doing so).

Another possible issue in the back of my mind is the power supply. Power supply issues are not always simple to catch because they can show up in bizarre ways. For example, I had an ATi HDTV Wonder in my old computer, and for some reason Windows was failing to detect it and install the drivers on bootup. I tried RMAing it for a new one, installed several different driver versions, updated the motherboard, and even reloaded Windows. It turned out that the power supply was too weak (generic 420W unit). I replaced it with an Antec NeoPower 480W and all was well again.

Although this problem seems less relevant to your situation due to the fact that the card does work once Windows is booted, I still think it is a possibility. So what power supply do you have?

Reply to capnbfg

This is rather sad, because I built my computer by hand and yet cannot recall what size power supply I have. I know it's at least a 420, and I got a stable brand to fit my Antec P160 case. Is there somewhere I can go within the system to check my power supply stats? I have a lot of health problems that prevent me from opening and playing around with my hardware. I usually get someone to help me install things actually, which is why I've used "we" several times in this thread.

Should I install the ATI software like Catalyst itself, or just the core drivers? I'm not sure what benefits I get from the rest, but I am getting this worked on now.

I have options to install the ATI Decoder, Catalyst, and the ATI control panel. The control panel doesn't even appear as a runable program on the start menu, nor does the decoder. There's more in here too I think, but I'm uninstalling at the moment...

Reply to Squidmaster
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There's no way for software to identify your power supply, but it sounds like you bought a decent one, so I wouldn't worry about it.

For the drivers, I would just let the installer load the full package of Catalyst Control Center, Display Driver, and WDM (and anything else specific to your system that it might list). If you pick the express/automatic installation option it will install everything you need.

Reply to capnbfg

I can't install the latest version of catalyst, because it requires .NET 2.0, and that is only available with SP2. I tried installing SP2 on this system in December of '04, and both times my system locked up and I had to reinstall Windows (or repair, but that slowed down my system noticeably).

Could this be the problem? Would I still get a system lockup if I installed SP2 now? It was new at the time.

I use a Chaintech VNF3-250 motherboard and an Athlon 2800+ with 2 serial ATA drives and an Audigy 1 sound card. Maybe this is relevant, or maybe I'm creating a needless list for no one's amusement. :)

Reply to Squidmaster

I had the pci-e version of this card and had a similar problem with dual analogue monitors. After the initial POST, both monitors went black.

What I found was that after Windows boots, I had to switch around how I had the monitor cables because once Windows booted it would switch which DVI port was the primary and secondary. Then after I got into Windows, I went into the display properties and set the primary display to the proper monitor.

So in a nut shell, switch your cables around. Hope that helps.

Reply to Silentsam

Switch what cables? I can't boot if anything is plugged in the DVI port on boot. If I plug it in afterward it is fine, but that is not really an acceptable option given my large unwieldy desk.

Reply to Squidmaster
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I think he was saying to use the other DVI port and see if that helped. Unfortunately your card only has one DVI port.

My advice is to load Service Pack 2 so you can load the new drivers, and if that doesn't work out, then contact ATi Customer Support and see what they have to say.

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