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Rumoured Desktop Processor Roadmap of Intel / AMD for 2007

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November 19, 2006 8:50:53 AM

The information / rumour collected below is from Dailytech / Anandtech, HKEPC news and X-Bit news and is subjected to changes over time. I hope this can help all of us about upcoming Intel / AMD products in 2007.

Last updated: 5th June 2007

1. Intel Processors:
a. Core 2 Duo E4x00 series
Release time: E4300, E4400 (Selling), E4500 (Q3)
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 2MB shared
Clock speeds: 1.8GHz (E4300), 2.0GHz (E4400), 2.2GHz (E4500)
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 800MHz FSB (6.4GB/s)
Other specifications: no Virtualization Technology
Expected price: E4300 - $113, E4400 - $133 ($113 on 22nd Jul), E4500 - $133 (Q3)
Expected market position: to replace Pentium D
My commemt: The performance of them are much higher than that of P-D 8xx or 9xx. As the FSB is only 800MHz, they are expected to overclock well. The aggressive pricing strategies of Intel will give a hard time on AMD, as E4x00 series have a higher performance than similar priced Athlon64 x2s.

b. Core 2 Quad Q6x00
Release time: Q6600 (Selling), Q6700 (22nd Jul)
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 4
L2 cache size: 2 blocks of 4MB shared
Clock speeds: 2.4GHz (Q6600), 2.66GHz (Q6700)
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1066MHz FSB (8.5GB/s)
Other specifications: (none)
Expected price: Q6600 - $530 ($266 on 22nd Jul), Q6700 - $530 (Q3)
Expected market position: new position
My commemt: Not much to mention here. Locked-multiplier versions of quad core CPU. The aggressive pricing for them are giving a hard time on AMD. Also Intel has quietly started shipping Q6600 with two new Xeon CPUs now. The two new quad-core Xeons, named Xeon 3210 (2.13GHz) and 3220 (2.4GHz), are sold at lower prices (US$423 / US$530) than C2Qs. The new Xeons are expected to be very price-competitive.

c. Core 2 Quad QX68x0
Release time: QX6800 (Selling), QX6850 (Q3)
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 4
L2 cache size: 2 blocks of 4MB shared
Clock speeds: 2.93GHz (QX6800), 3.0GHz (QX6850)
Processor-to-northbridge speed: QX6800 - 1066MHz FSB (8.5GB/s), QX6850 - 1333MHz FSB (10.7GB/s)
Other specifications: unlocked multiplier
Expected price: QX6800 - $1199 ($999 on 22nd Jul), QX6850 - $999 (Q3)
Expected market position: to replace QX6700
My commemt: Not much to mention here. An upgraded version of QX6700. The 1066MHz version and the 1333MHz FSB version should have similar performance, according to Tom's Hardware's test on Core 2 Quad QX6700 at 1066MHz FSB and 1333MHz FSB.

d. Core 2 Duo E6320 / E6420
Release time: Selling
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 4MB shared
Clock speeds: 1.86GHz (E6320), 2.13GHz (E6420)
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1066MHz FSB (8.5GB/s)
Other specifications: (none)
Expected price: E6320 - $163, E6420 - $183
Expected market position: to replace E6300 and E6400.
My commemt: An upgraded version of E6300 / E6400. Expected to be price competitive but not appealing to similar AMD offerings or Intel's own E4x00 series.

e. Pentium E21x0 series
Release time: 3rd Jun
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 1MB shared
Clock speeds: 1.6GHz (E2140), 1.8GHz (E2160)
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 800MHz FSB (6.4GB/s)
Other specifications: no Virtualization Technology
Expected price: E2140 - $74 (3rd Jun), E2160 - $84 (3rd Jun)
Expected market position: to replace Pentium D
My commemt: They are the cut-down versions of Core 2 Duo E4x00 series. The performance of them are similar to slightly higher clocked Athlon64 x2s with a slightly better value. As their FSB is only 800MHz, they are expected to overclock well.

f. Celeron 4x0 series
Release time: 3rd Jun
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 1
L2 cache size: 512KB (not confirmed)
Clock speeds: 1.6GHz (C420), 1.8GHz (C430), 2.0GHz (C440)
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 800MHz FSB (6.4GB/s)
Other specifications: no EIST, no Virtualization Technology
Expected price: C420 - unknown (3rd Jun), C430 - $49 (3rd Jun), C440 - $59 (3rd Jun)
Expected market position: to replace Celeron D
My commemt: They are the only single core CPUs in the Intel roadmap. They perform well against slightly higher-clocked single-core K8 Semprons and Athlon64s, according to prelimary benchmarks. There is a chance of extreme overclocking. There are no information about the new C420 from the news, but C420 has debuted in Hong Kong as on 30th May.

g. Core 2 Duo E6x50 series
Release time: 22nd Jul
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 4MB shared
Clock speeds: 2.33GHz (E6550), 2.66GHz (E6750), 3.00GHz (E6850)
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1333MHz FSB (10.7GB/s)
Other specifications: (none)
Expected price: E6550 - $163 (Q3), E6750 - $183 (Q3), E6850 - $266 (Q3)
Expected market position: to replace E6x00
My commemt: The series of the CPU will be released with the Bearlake chipsets. Since the architecture is not bandwidth-starved, the major reason for the release of these products is to make more money from upgrading FSB.It can be used to stop ATi(AMD) / VIA from making high-end Intel chipset also. They are not expected to overclock well as the default FSB is high. There are spectulations that these CPUs will be short-lived after 45nm CPUs are ramped up fast in late 2007 / early 2008.

h. Core 2 Duo E6540 series
Release time: 22nd Jul
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 4MB shared
Clock speeds: 2.33GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1333MHz FSB (10.7GB/s)
Other specifications: no Virtualization Technology
Expected price: unknown
Expected market position: to replace E6x00
My commemt: Same as Core 2 Duo E6x50.

i. New Core 2 Quad series
Release time: rumoured to be in late 2007
Fabrication process: 45nm
Number of Cores: 4
L2 cache size: 2 blocks of shared (rumoured to be 12MB)
Clock speeds: Unknown, probably much higher than 65nm products, rumoured to be up to 3.6GHz or more to fight against AMD's offerings
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1066MHz FSB (8.5GB/s)
Other specifications: Hyper-Threading?, SSE4, enhanced Virtualization Technology
Expected price: same or lower than current 65nm products
Expected market position: to replace Core 2 Quad series
My commemt: Revised Core 2 Quad products. They should be faster and cooler than the current series. There will be enhancements that the performance per clock will increase by around 10-20%. The higher frequency for the series will maintain the lead of Intel over AMD this year.

j. New Core 2 Duo series
Release time: rumoured to be in late 2007
Fabrication process: 45nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: shared (rumoured to be 6MB for high-end ones and 3MB for low-end ones)
Clock speeds: Unknown, probably much higher than 65nm products, rumoured to be up to 4GHz or more
Processor-to-northbridge speed: high-end processors - 1333MHz FSB (10.7GB/s), low-end processors - 1066MHz FSB (8.5GB/s)
Other specifications: Hyper-Threading?, SSE4, enhanced Virtualization Technology (for high-end processors only), Trusted Execution Technology (for high-end processors only)
Expected price: same or lower than current 65nm products
Expected market position: to replace the 65nm products
My commemt: The 45nm versions of Core 2 Duo series. They should be cooler than overclock better than 65nm ones. There will be enhancements that the performance per clock will increase by around 10-20%. The much higher frequency for the series will maintain the lead of Intel over AMD this year.

2. AMD:
a. Athlon64 FX 4x4 series
Release time: FX-70, FX-72, FX-74 (selling)
Fabrication process: 90nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 2 blocks of 1MB
Clock speeds: 2.6GHz (FX-70), 2.8GHz (FX-72), 3.0GHz (FX-74)
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1GHz HTT (8GB/s)
Other specifications: two dual-core CPUs in a pack
Expected price: FX-72 - $599, FX-74 - $799
Expected market position: new position
My commemt: Knee-jerk reaction with Intel new dual-core and quad-core processors. Not even a peep at them.

b. Athlon64 x2 series
Release time: x2 3600+, x2 4000+, x2 4400+, x2 4800+, x2 5000+ (selling), others (unconfirmed)
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 2 blocks of 512KB
Clock speeds: 1.9GHz, (x2 3600+), 2.1GHz (x2 4000+), 2.3GHz (x2 4400+), 2.5GHz (x2 4800+), 2.6GHz (x2 5000+)
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1GHz HTT (8GB/s)
Other specifications: 0.5x multiplier
Expected price: x2 3600+ - $73, x2 4000+ - $104, x2 4400+ - $121, x2 4800+ - $136, x2 5000+ - $167
Expected market position: to replace the 90nm products
My commemt: The 65nm versions of Athlon x2 series. They are cooler but not much better in overclocking than 90nm ones. The new introduction of 0.5x multiplier helps AMD to have more products within the small speed bins, but it seems that AMD will not make use of this to release more products. The 65nm products are slower than the 90nm ones as they have higher L2 latencies and worse memory frequencies.

c. Athlon64 x2 6000+
Release time: selling
Fabrication process: 90nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 2 blocks of 1MB
Clock speeds: 3.0GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1GHz HTT (8GB/s)
Other specifications: (none)
Expected price: $241
Expected market position: to compete with high-end Core 2 Duos
My commemt: Slightly more expensive and higher power consumption than E6600 at similar performance. But maybe remarkable to AMD for first "mainstream" 3GHz offering.

d. Athlon64 series
Release time: 3500+, 3800+ (selling), 4000+ (Q2)
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 1
L2 cache size: 512KB
Clock speeds: 2.2GHz (3500+), 2.4GHz (3800+), 2.6GHz (4000+)
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1GHz HTT (8GB/s)
Other specifications: (none)
Expected price: 3500+ - $69, 3800+ - $79
Expected market position: To replace the 90nm products
My commemt: The 65nm versions of Athlon64 series. They should be cooler and overclock better than 90nm ones.

e. Athlon x2 BE series
Release time: A64x2 BE-2300, BE-2350 (Q2), BE-2400 (Q3)
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 2 blocks of 512KB
Clock speeds: 1.9GHz, (BE-2300), 2.1GHz (BE-2350), 2.3GHz (BE-2400)
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1GHz HTT (8GB/s)
Other specifications: 0.5x multiplier
Expected price: BE-2300 - $86, BE-2350 - $91
Expected market position: to replace the 90nm energy efficient products
My commemt: The low-voltage edition of Athlon64 x2 65nm products. The overclock-ability may be lower than the standard edition. BE-2300 is more expensive than x2 3600+ while BE-2350 is cheaper than x2 4000+.

f. Sempron series
Release time: 3400+, 3500+, 3600+, 3800+ (Q2)
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 1
L2 cache size: 128KB or 256KB
Clock speeds: 1.8GHz with 256KB L2 cache (3400+), 2.0GHz (3500+ / 3600+), 2.2GHz with 256KB L2 cache (3800+)
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1GHz HTT (8GB/s)
Other specifications: no Virtualization
Expected price: unknown, probably the same as the current price of 90nm versions
Expected market position: To replace the 90nm products
My commemt: The 65nm versions of Sempron series. Not much to mention here. With the new branding scheme by AMD, the processors may get a new name: Sempron LE-1xxx series.

g. Phenom FX series
Release time: rumoured to be in Q3
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 4
L2 cache size: 4 blocks of 512KB
L3 cache size: 2MB
Clock speeds: rumoured to be 2.2-2.6GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 3.2-3.6GHz HTT (25.6-28.8GB/s, rumoured only as the speed will be out of HTT 3.0 specification)
Other specifications: separate power planes, NUMA memory controllers, Socket 1207+ or Socket AM2+ (for 2.2GHz model only), SSE4A
Expected price: unknown
Expected market position: to replace the Athlon64 FX 4x4 products
My commemt: Totally unknown performance. A major architectural change in processors. With a expected higher IPC (instructions per clock) than Core 2 Quad, they are expected to compete with Core 2 Quad processors well. The updated architecture may be called K10 rather than K8L.

h. Phenom x4 series
Release time: rumoured to be in Q3
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 4
L2 cache size: 4 blocks of 512KB
L3 cache size: 2MB
Clock speeds: rumoured to be 2.2-2.4GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 3.2-3.6GHz HTT (25.6-28.8GB/s, rumoured only as the speed will be out of HTT 3.0 specification)
Other specifications: separate power planes, NUMA memory controllers, Socket AM2+, SSE4A
Expected price: unknown
Expected market position: new position
My commemt: Totally unknown performance. A major architectural change in processors. With a expected higher IPC (instructions per clock) than Core 2 Quad, they are expected to compete with Core 2 Quad processors well. The updated architecture may be called K10 rather than K8L. With the new branding scheme by AMD, the processors may get a new name: Phenom x4 GP-6xxx series.

i. Phenom x2 series
Release time: rumoured to be in Q4
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 2 blocks of 512KB
L3 cache size: 2MB
Clock speeds: rumoured to be 2.4-2.8GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 3.6-4.2GHz HTT (28.8GB/s-33.6GB/s, rumoured only as the speed will be out of HTT 3.0 specification)
Other specifications: separate power planes, NUMA memory controllers, Socket AM2+, SSE4A
Expected price: unknown
Expected market position: to replace the Athlon64 x2
My commemt: Totally unknown performance. A major architectural change in processors. With a expected higher IPC (instructions per clock) than Core 2 Duo, they are expected to compete with Core 2 Duo processors well. The updated architecture may be called K10 rather than K8L. With the new branding scheme by AMD, the processors may get a new name: Phenom x2 GS-6xxx series.

Products coming in 2008:
1. Intel
a. New Core 2 Duo series (45nm products)
b. New Core 2 Quad series (45nm products)
c. CPUs with new architecture (Nehalem, 45nm products), with integrated memory controller

2. AMD
a. Athlon x2 (with K10 / K8L architecture)
b. Sempron (with K10 / K8L architecture)
c. Phenom series / Athlon x2 series / Sempron series (45nm products)

About the manufacturing side:
1. Intel
They are now leading in CPU performance and power consumption. The new 2MB shared L2 CPUs will be manufactured using 2MB masks that can reduce the die size and lower the costs. The early 45nm samples are of good conditions and can boot into Windows and they boasts lower power consumptions. According to recent rumours, the 45nm products will get NDA lifted in July. There are spectulations that the products will be launched in Q3 or Q4. Intel will have 4 fabrication plants with 45nm technology in 2008.

2. AMD
They are ramping up 65nm products slowly. Fab 30 is still producing CPU with 90nm fabriacation process. According to Q1 report, AMD has higher inventory levels than before and the 65nm process is not perfected for K8 processors (with a higher L2 latency of about 2-3 cycles). Now AMD has announced a cut in capital expansion expenses and the transition plan for Fab 30 is not clear now. With the $2.2B Convertible Senior Notes, AMD may have enough money for capital expansion and operational expenses, but the future of the company is still unclear.

Reference:
Intel processors:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=2955
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4965
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4589
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5414
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5595
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5917
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5921
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6185
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=6488
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6484
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=6838
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=7277
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=699783
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=698063
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=686996
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=686858
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=675864
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=698153
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=698181
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=714230
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=754873
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=755282
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=755292
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=772180
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=789466
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20061114043059.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20060930234444.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20070104212549.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20070413235345.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-roundup.html
http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/10/101302/redesign2006/pdf/processor_price_list.pdf

AMD processors:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2768
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4422
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4942
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4943
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5874
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5992
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=7136
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7157
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7468
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=7537
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=699767
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=629089
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=679375
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=678736
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=715237
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20061017130006.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-roundup.html
http://www.amd.com/t3pricing

Recent edit: updated AMD naming scheme.

Special thanks to Jeda (HKEPC forum), Wombat2 (TG Forum, 2 times), qOJDO (TG Forum), wa2000 (HKEPC forum), xtreme2k (HKEPC forum), 死得*冇者回龜 (HKEPC forum) for corrections and updates.
November 19, 2006 9:07:17 AM

The one thing I would say is that I wouldn't expect the Pentium E's/Celeron 400's to have a significant margin over their competing Sempron parts (I suspect that AMD will launch Sempron X2's to counter the Pentium E's). I would suspect that the further reduced cache might hurt the Core architecture quite a bit when you consider the drop in performance from the additional cache of the Conroes to Allendales. This plays into the hands of the K8's IMC. I would expect these chips to overclock like hell however, so I see Intel totally dominating the enthusiast market from top to bottom until K8L, when things may change. On the low end for the average consumer market though, where price is important and overclocking isn't a factor i see AMD holding on - just.
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November 19, 2006 12:39:53 PM

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I would suspect that the further reduced cache might hurt the Core architecture quite a bit when you consider the drop in performance from the additional cache of the Conroes to Allendales.


Which doesn't exist?

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/10/cheap_thrills/pa...

They have different FSB numbers which will affect the performance.
November 19, 2006 1:54:25 PM

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They have different FSB numbers which will affect the performance.

And greatly increase overclocking potential.
November 19, 2006 1:58:36 PM

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They have different FSB numbers which will affect the performance.

And greatly increase overclocking potential.

Maybe for later but not now.
November 19, 2006 2:02:51 PM

It will also lend to a very stable platform for El cheapo VIA and SiS chipsets. Making overall system prices much lower for low end OEMs. This is a big problem for AMD.
November 19, 2006 2:10:30 PM

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It will also lend to a very stable platform for El cheapo VIA and SiS chipsets. Making overall system prices much lower for low end OEMs. This is a big problem for AMD.


VIA may not have the bus license.

Also with the coming nVidia integrated chipset, the situation will be even worse for VIA / SiS.
November 19, 2006 2:16:04 PM

They all already make 800mhz chipsets. It's the VRM. :roll:

Some OEM's will be able to manufacture whole computers for a few hundred dollars, maybe even with Core2 Duo and Vista.
November 19, 2006 2:18:05 PM

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They all already make 800mhz chipsets. It's the VRM. :roll:
Some OEM's will be able to manufacture whole computers for a few hundred dollars, maybe even with Core2 Duo and Vista.


The CPU bus is licensed by Intel, though. :wink:
You can build a C2D with Vista computer within $600 :wink:
November 19, 2006 3:04:27 PM

hmm what would you say would be the best price, thats dual core.....and cheapest? thats a core duo?
November 19, 2006 3:06:30 PM

ohhh yeaahhh..will the prices drop anymore for core duos?
November 19, 2006 3:07:19 PM

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ohhh yeaahhh..will the prices drop anymore for core duos?


I have not heard of any news about that.
But I would expect a minor price cut for AMD / Intel in H1.
November 19, 2006 3:11:19 PM

hmm..alright..like....which do you think is the best bang for buck in the dual core processors in q1 with intel?
November 19, 2006 3:13:25 PM

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hmm..alright..like....which do you think is the best bang for buck in the dual core processors in q1 with intel?


E4300 due January.
Cheapest Core 2 Duo series despite it does not support virtualization technology.
November 19, 2006 3:15:43 PM

lol...whats vt? i konw my cpu is speed step.i think...its a 2.4 b north wood socket 478...which sucks....but i oc'ed it to like....2.9 before on air...stable...and i got a agp fx5500 256 mb vid. 1024 ram. 40 gb harddrive..so i just wanna get a cheap cpu...thats good..and ill see a performance increase....=]
November 19, 2006 3:16:59 PM

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lol...whats vt? i konw my cpu is speed step.i think...its a 2.4 b north wood socket 478...which sucks....but i oc'ed it to like....2.9 before on air...stable...and i got a agp fx5500 256 mb vid. 1024 ram. 40 gb harddrive..so i just wanna get a cheap cpu...thats good..and ill see a performance increase....=]


A massive performance increase :wink:
November 19, 2006 3:20:41 PM

YAY what abotu the 800 mhz vs. 1066 or whatever it is? wouldnt that cut it down some? and its dual core right? see i would get a 6300 c2d, if it drops. and is better than the ones comeing out in jan,
November 19, 2006 3:23:03 PM

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YAY what abotu the 800 mhz vs. 1066 or whatever it is? wouldnt that cut it down some? and its dual core right? see i would get a 6300 c2d, if it drops. and is better than the ones comeing out in jan,


Intel does not need to drop the prices of Core 2 Duo CPUs. The CPUs are competitive enough against AMD CPUs.

The Front Side Bus (FSB) ratings do not matter much about performance. You will not notice the difference unless the CPUs are benchmarked. :wink:
November 19, 2006 3:30:19 PM

hmmm alright..ty for the info! do you have aim or something?
November 19, 2006 3:31:22 PM

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hmmm alright..ty for the info! do you have aim or something?


Just want to express my opinion :wink:
November 19, 2006 3:33:57 PM

I think AMD needs to hurry the hell up and get some 65nm stuff out
November 19, 2006 3:35:32 PM

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I think AMD needs to hurry the hell up and get some 65nm stuff out


The expected due day for 65nm products is 5th December.
November 19, 2006 3:37:37 PM

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I would suspect that the further reduced cache might hurt the Core architecture quite a bit when you consider the drop in performance from the additional cache of the Conroes to Allendales.

Which doesn't exist?

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/10/cheap_thrills/pa...

I stand corrected.... those numbers clearly show theres pretty much zero difference between the 2, which makes it curious as to why Intel bothered with 4 meg models at all :?

I will rephrase what I said then to it will be interesting to see if the further reduced cache has any impact on performance. If it dosn't, then based on those figures, the cut down models are going to dominate the low end as well.
November 19, 2006 3:38:04 PM

ah yes well your very smart, i wish i could say that kinda stuff and look smart...right now im trying to set up lan but we kinda computer short and my friends have laptops, which suck for this game.....warrock...ad im trying to get them amd processirs...like...a ghz or so fast..
November 19, 2006 3:43:22 PM

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I stand corrected.... those numbers clearly show theres pretty much zero difference between the 2, which makes it curious as to why Intel bothered with 4 meg models at all :?

I will rephrase what I said then to it will be interesting to see if the further reduced cache has any impact on performance. If it dosn't, then based on those figures, the cut down models are going to dominate the low end as well.


If you really wants to compare the 2MB L2 and 4MB L2 parts, I recommend you to read the following article:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=279...
November 19, 2006 3:54:22 PM

I think that was the article which led me to believe there was a considerable performance difference between Allendale and Conroe cores, yet the Toms Hardware one showed zero difference. That would seem to suggest for some bizarre reason that the cache size becomes less important as clock speeds increase.

Using that source then we can assume that the Pentium E's will perform on average, at least 3.5% slower than Allendale Core 2 Duo's. That is based on the fact that the Pentium E clocks will be no higher than the C2D's, and the law of diminishing returns with respect to increase cache size means the gap will be at least as much, and probably bigger.
November 19, 2006 4:00:34 PM

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I think that was the article which led me to believe there was a considerable performance difference between Allendale and Conroe cores, yet the Toms Hardware one showed zero difference. That would seem to suggest for some bizarre reason that the cache size becomes less important as clock speeds increase.

Using that source then we can assume that the Pentium E's will perform on average, at least 3.5% slower than Allendale Core 2 Duo's. That is based on the fact that the Pentium E clocks will be no higher than the C2D's, and the law of diminishing returns with respect to increase cache size means the gap will be at least as much, and probably bigger.


From Tom's test, they did not mention the difference in FSB and memory clocks. I can't make a conclusion about the cache difference.
November 19, 2006 4:11:05 PM

I saw both the anand and Tom's a while back, and after giving it plenty of thought, I'm still fairly determined to get a E6600... why... shrug, it's not that much more money, can reach a higher top clockspeed either way, and the 4mb of cache won't hurt. Still worried about the OC performance of top end Conroe's on the 680i mobo's... maybe a bios revision will fix that.

I say the only thing worth waiting for is native quad cores, otherwise, a Conroe now and one 6 months later won't have a big difference until 45nm comes out. Bearlake chipset really doesn't strike me as having any significant performance increase. PCI-E 2.0 is fairly useless for consumers, and 1333MHZ FSB prolly won't add that much more speed.

However, I'm looking forward to the new Santa Rosa chipset... WiMAX is the way to go!
November 19, 2006 4:12:51 PM

lol good point. Hey, anyone out there have a skt A cpu? or skt 754?
November 19, 2006 4:14:27 PM

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lol good point. Hey, anyone out there have a skt A cpu? or skt 754?


I have both Socket A and Socket 754 systems running :wink:
November 19, 2006 4:15:37 PM

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I saw both the anand and Tom's a while back, and after giving it plenty of thought, I'm still fairly determined to get a E6600... why... shrug, it's not that much more money, can reach a higher top clockspeed either way, and the 4mb of cache won't hurt. Still worried about the OC performance of top end Conroe's on the 680i mobo's... maybe a bios revision will fix that.

I say the only thing worth waiting for is native quad cores, otherwise, a Conroe now and one 6 months later won't have a big difference until 45nm comes out. Bearlake chipset really doesn't strike me as having any significant performance increase. PCI-E 2.0 is fairly useless for consumers, and 1333MHZ FSB prolly won't add that much more speed.

However, I'm looking forward to the new Santa Rosa chipset... WiMAX is the way to go!


Agreed. :wink:
I have thought of a lot of possibilities why Intel does this.
But I still suspect that the 1333MHz FSB move is to keep ATi (AMD) out of their high-end chipset business. :roll:
November 19, 2006 4:20:50 PM

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hahah do you need any of them?


One is for server and one is for office applications. :wink:
I don't think I need a faster CPU.
November 19, 2006 4:38:11 PM

Yeah, Intel can be a bully at times, but then again, it is capatilism... I actually don't favor government regulating buisnesses, but it is necessary at times... it's just that if I ran a corporation, nothing would stop me from crushing my rivals...

I'm thinking though, it should be about... late 08 early 09 before quad-cores become mainsteam... wonder how multi-threaded Office and IE is going to be...
November 19, 2006 4:56:13 PM

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hmm do you have any other cpus?

P-M 1.73GHz and another Sempron 3000+ (AM2).
November 19, 2006 4:56:57 PM

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Yeah, Intel can be a bully at times, but then again, it is capatilism... I actually don't favor government regulating buisnesses, but it is necessary at times... it's just that if I ran a corporation, nothing would stop me from crushing my rivals...

I'm thinking though, it should be about... late 08 early 09 before quad-cores become mainsteam... wonder how multi-threaded Office and IE is going to be...


Office and IE do not need to be multi-threaded.
The bottlenect is not in the programs. :wink:
November 19, 2006 5:51:42 PM

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ooo do you need either of them?

I don't know what you mean......
November 19, 2006 5:54:08 PM

like..do you need them? i would trade you something for them...as in i need them...if you dont need them
November 19, 2006 5:56:43 PM

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like..do you need them? i would trade you something for them...as in i need them...if you dont need them


I think my family need the two systems.
I am sorry for that.
November 19, 2006 5:59:33 PM

lol its cool its cool.do you have any processor you arent using i should have said....
November 19, 2006 6:01:57 PM

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lol its cool its cool.do you have any processor you arent using i should have said....


I would like to keep the unused CPUs (Pentium 200MHz MMX / Pentium III 1GHz) as I treated them as memorial ones.
November 19, 2006 6:03:54 PM

lol the only ones i keep would by my frist...a 66 mzhs on i think..pentium 1...but its where abouts are unknown.....
November 19, 2006 6:07:43 PM

I use my Pentium as a comb.
November 19, 2006 6:24:47 PM

hey i got one last question..when these new procesors come out..their gunna be dual core...whats the cheapest that has a 1066 fsb?
November 19, 2006 6:26:13 PM

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hey i got one last question..when these new procesors come out..their gunna be dual core...whats the cheapest that has a 1066 fsb?


For both Intel and AMD platforms, the chipsets from SiS and VIA are the cheapest.
November 19, 2006 6:29:22 PM

lol the processors..i know lots chispets..and stuff. but the precessors..what will be the cheapest with an fsb of 1066?
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