8800 GTS or X1950XTX?

[Track]

I'm not sure how a bottleneck works, but ill give u my theory - If my CPU can do 60 (for instense), then it dosent matter if my GPU can do 100 or 150, cause ill be getting 60 anyway, thus the X1950XTX is best.

X1950XTX - 400$
8800 GTS - 450$
X1950XT - Cant get over the lack of memory, so its out of the question.
X1900XT 512MB - If u can find it for ~300$ ill buy it!

My CPU is a Pentium 4 prescott @ 3.6Ghz. I know it will hold everything back, but i dont have enough money for the CPU Andthe RAM.

Thnx.

P.S. I'm probably going to sell the whole PC, including the 8800 GTS (ill actually make a profit off the 8800 GTS, cause i live in Israel and am buying in the US!!), so dont worry abt R600.

 

[Track]

Do i know u.. ? :lol:

So ur saying that because of my P4, i will get BETTER frame rates than an X1950XTX, but i wont get the framte rates that the card could give if it had a better CPU to work with?

How much of a bottleneck are we talking abt? Even if it is a 30 FPS bottleneck, does it matter? This thing can run F.E.A.R. at 90 FPS average..
But just for my interest - how much FPS will i loose on my P4 if a C2D can do 50?

 

[prozac26]

how much FPS will i loose on my P4 if a C2D can do 50?

If you play at 1280x1024 (like most of us), with everything maxed out, maybe a couple framerates. Like I was telling you earlier, if you were to get a Core 2, it wouldn't be worth it, unless the game absolutely needs a dual core.

You'll max out everything with any of those cards anyway, in this case the CPU has very little effect.

 

[Track]

Yes, it did. It even answered a question that i asked on another forum.

I still have a problem with the resolution though:
On a lower resolution, the CPU can process more frames and then send more frames to the GPU, right? So the FPS would be higher in lower resolutions.
But if the GPU isnt being used all that much (in comparison to high resolutions), then the CPU will have a bigger cut of the performance. That why u can see a 30 FPS difference beetween the X6800 and E6400 in 1024x768. YES, those frame rates are all above 120, so it dosent matter, cause when it gets to 60, they all have it the same. But what im saying, is that if u max out the GPU then the CPU will work less, giving u BETTER performance, right?

Or is it just that on lower resolutions u get less FPS with a slower CPU, but ud have even less FPS with a slower CPU on higher resolutions?

 

[Track]

When u say "you will loose only a couple frames" with a slower CPU, is that because of the bottleneck?

And isnt the bottleneck "game specific"?

What i heard was that the 8800's will bottleneck a P4 a LOT, while an X1900XT will bottleneck it somewhat, and only in some games.

 

[Track]

If the CPU can process the SAME ammount of frames for 1024x768 and 2048x1536, then wouldnt it be best to play at a higher resolution with a slower CPU?
If a CPU can do 60 FPS at 1024x768 and 60 FPS at 2048x1536, then if u take it to 2048x1536 it will be best because the GPU will only be able to do 60 FPS aswell.
While at 1024x768, the CPU can do 60 and the GPU can do 120, so ur wasting the performance on the lower resolution..


What i want to know is this - If i buy a fast GPU and a slow CPU, the FPS will be limited by the CPU, but then i will get to see the maximum ability of my CPU and that isnt too lower, right?
Games today will give u 120 Max FPS with a Pentium 4, right?
So Core 2 Duos will give u over 200 FPS. But the point is this - GPUs arent fast enough to do 200 FPS in today's games.

So even though the CPU is a bottlneck - it's still good enough to give u the SAME frame rate in today's games, because the CPU is only a limiting factor, not one that can give u BETTER frame rates, right?

But then, why do ppl keep saying that C2D's bottleneck GPU's?

 

[Heyyou27]

Get the 8800GTS; even if your CPU is a bottleneck, it's not going to make the X1950XTX faster than the 8800GTS.

 

[Track]

Get the 8800GTS; even if your CPU is a bottleneck, it's not going to make the X1950XTX faster than the 8800GTS.

But if my CPU can do 60 and the X1950XTX can do 70, why does it matter if i have a card that can do 120? I will get 60 in the end anyway..

 

[prozac26]

The CPU doesn't have that big of an effect. All CPUs are a bottleneck anyway.

8800GTS will produce more framerates than the CPU can "bottleneck".

If CPU was so important, people would go for the X6800s with 7600GSs.

 

[Heyyou27]

Get the 8800GTS; even if your CPU is a bottleneck, it's not going to make the X1950XTX faster than the 8800GTS.

But if my CPU can do 60 and the X1950XTX can do 70, why does it matter if i have a card that can do 120? I will get 60 in the end anyway..You're looking for an excuse to get a slower card? If you really want to buy the X1950XTX, go for it.

 

[lltfdaniel]

go for a 8800 gts if you don't want to play in sli,and want the fps and the higher resolution, you will get comfortable frame rates even on that p4 processer,

Plus its big -_-.

 

[Track]

I think that today the graphics cards are the bottleneck to the CPUs.
You get the same framerate pretty much with a Pentium 4 and a Core 2 Duo. This means that the Pentium 4 is doing it's max possible frame rate and is on it's last generation of games that it will be able to play well. And if the Core 2 Duo can do abt the same frame rate, then the GPU is whats holding him back, and so it seems like both CPUs are equal..


What i want to know is this - will i get a higher frame rate with the 8800 GTS over the X1950XTX? And if so, how much higher?

 

[cleeve]

I'll make it siomple for you.

If you have the money to spend, 8800 GTS - no question.

Might even last you an upgrade or two, and it'll be worth more in the X1950 in the long run.

You want to know how much higher your framerates will be? Google the 8800 GTS reviews.

 

[Track]

You want to know how much higher your framerates will be? Google the 8800 GTS reviews.

Cant find a review with a p4.

 

[prozac26]

Dude, it doesn't matter.

 

[kaotao]

How many times do you have to ask the bottleneck question before you actually listen to what people are telling you?

If you've got the money get the 8800GTS.

 

[ethel]

GTS, no question - better now, and DX10 compatible.

 

[Guest]

BUY THE GODDAMN CARD!

 

[melarcky]

The CPU doesn't have that big of an effect. All CPUs are a bottleneck anyway.

8800GTS will produce more framerates than the CPU can "bottleneck".

If CPU was so important, people would go for the X6800s with 7600GSs.

EXACTLY just go with the GF8800GTS PLUS ITS DX10 while the other card isnt!

 

[Heyyou27]

EXACTLY just go with the GF8800GTS PLUS ITS DX10 while the other card isnt!

Track does not adhere to logic.

 

[Track]

The CPU doesn't have that big of an effect. All CPUs are a bottleneck anyway.

8800GTS will produce more framerates than the CPU can "bottleneck".

If CPU was so important, people would go for the X6800s with 7600GSs.

EXACTLY just go with the GF8800GTS PLUS ITS DX10 while the other card isnt!

Will ppl just STOP it with DX10!?

Im NOT going to buy Vista for a long time, and until then ill probably have already sold me Pentium 4 and my 8800 GTS with it.. Even if i wanted Vista, games like Crysis are far off, so it wouldnt help me much.

Im only talking abt performance now. Why spend 500$, when a 200$ card will give me the same performance, because of the CPU?

 

[tool_462]

Or if you aren't going to follow anyone's suggestions (which you asked for) and do what you want anyway, don't bother asking in the first place!

 

[Track]

Or if you aren't going to follow anyone's suggestions (which you asked for) and do what you want anyway, don't bother asking in the first place!

Thats the only suggestion i wont take.

 

[Heyyou27]

The CPU doesn't have that big of an effect. All CPUs are a bottleneck anyway.

8800GTS will produce more framerates than the CPU can "bottleneck".

If CPU was so important, people would go for the X6800s with 7600GSs.

EXACTLY just go with the GF8800GTS PLUS ITS DX10 while the other card isnt!

Will ppl just STOP it with DX10!?

Im NOT going to buy Vista for a long time, and until then ill probably have already sold me Pentium 4 and my 8800 GTS with it.. Even if i wanted Vista, games like Crysis are far off, so it wouldnt help me much.

Im only talking abt performance now. Why spend 500$, when a 200$ card will give me the same performance, because of the CPU?UT2007 comes out in March, and Crysis in April so unless you plan on upgrading before then, the 8800GTS would be the better choice. If you're confident the X1950XTX will provide you with the same performance as the 8800GTS, then you can spend your money on the older card. You made this thread looking for someone to support you on your decision to go with the older card, so please stop wasting our time if you're not going to take anyone's advice seriously. I would never recommend the X1950XTX seeing as it's now an older card and still costs nearly as much as the newer, faster 8800GTS. Now the X1950XT and Pro are still fantastic deals, and would be well worth the money, however some marketing ploy has gotten the notion that 256MB is vastly inferior to 512MB in your head; in reality most games won't show any difference.

 

[kaotao]

Or if you aren't going to follow anyone's suggestions (which you asked for) and do what you want anyway, don't bother asking in the first place!

Thats the only suggestion i wont take.

The only suggestion? :lol: :lol: :lol: