So, here we are once again, nearing another election in America. Amazing how forgetful we people are. How many elections has this country gone through and it’s still the same. Stick a politician behind a podium and watch the sheep cheer; “USA, USA, USA, USA!”
There are over 6 billion sheep populating earth today. Patriotism is justified while calling a person of African origins a ***** not, why? Patriotism is the exact same type of racism. Why should one advocate any one nation? We are all the same. The French yelling FRANCE, FRANCE, FRANCE! Mexicans yelling MEXICO, MEXICO, MEXICO! And of course Iranians yelling IRAN, IRAN, IRAN! Country borders should be no different than state borders. We are such a racist specie. The majority of people are too unconscious to see this. If you’re a patriot, I consider you a racist and a racist is a person too stupid to see he or she is discriminating against his or her own kind… I’ll give you an IQ score of 90.
And that’s the world through my minds eye, so don’t be offended if I have called you a racist. It’s only my opinion, but by all means do be offended if my opinion counts for you.
And remember; I love you all and wish I could be amongst the most colorful of circles.
actually your wrong as race is about what you look like while borders are not about race but nationality which is not about race but cultural aspects too.
however, i get the principle behind what you are saying.
| strangestranger wrote : actually your wrong as race is about what you look like while borders are not about race but nationality which is not about race but cultural aspects too.
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Wouldn’t you say people of any particular nation tend to look alike? The Germans, the Mexicans, the Arabs… In other words, you will find people inside the German border to look like Germans, no? How else do we humans with our dominant visual sense discriminate? We certainly can’t hear the Indians from India with their funny accents from another country to even begin discriminating… right?
yes, but that is different races, not nations. an american and canadian can look the same but from different nations. also, a black person, can be an american or from the carribean not from africa, so what is your point, nationality and race are not the same thing.
| strangestranger wrote : yes, but that is different races, not nations. an american and canadian can look the same but from different nations. also, a black person, can be an american or from the carribean not from africa, so what is your point, nationality and race are not the same thing. |
My point definitely isn't to convey that nationality and race are the same, however, that seems to be your understanding of my post. I'm sure you have an idea formed in your mind about my post, but I can tell you're looking at it from a different perspective. I didn't think something as obvious as what you have pointed out needed explanation.
Either way, I don't care and if you get the main point, good for you.
| scamtrOn wrote : So, here we are once again, nearing another election in America. Amazing how forgetful we people are. How many elections has this country gone through and it’s still the same. Stick a politician behind a podium and watch the sheep cheer; “USA, USA, USA, USA!”
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Hi Scammy!
Most excellent ranting.
A very stimulating read.
I suggest to stay away from http://www.patriotmemory.com/ !
I heard patriot memory uses special mind control techniques to sway the popular vote.
Good to see you back on the block Scammy!!!!
| scamtrOn wrote : My point definitely isn't to convey that nationality and race are the same, however, that seems to be your understanding of my post. I'm sure you have an idea formed in your mind about my post, but I can tell you're looking at it from a different perspective. I didn't think something as obvious as what you have pointed out needed explanation.
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...that's MY post? I can't believe how cold I can be when I'm in a hurry... I'd be offended had that been a reply to me.
If that post offended you, strangestranger, I apologize.
I think you are confusing 'patriotism' with a narrow definition of 'nationalism' which caused world wars. And you are not properly connecting the associative dots.
| zpyrd wrote : Hi Scammy!
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zpyrd, I'm speechless... in more than one way. I want a hug, first... then a groping... and finally, a kiss. I still remember that night when you gave me your scrotum. It popped later and I was sad.
| RCPilot wrote : Good to see you back on the block Scammy!!!! |
RC, you are alive! Damn! How is your big toe doing? And the little thumb? Do you still cruise on your snowmobiles or are you finally getting too old for that? Don't break a hip!
And come on, give it to me, what's the scoop?
| surrealdeal wrote : I think you are confusing 'patriotism' with a narrow definition of 'nationalism' which caused world wars. And you are not properly connecting the associative dots. |
I'm not: dictionary.com *I'm not afraid to use it*
1. a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.
3. (initial capital letter) Military. a U.S. Army antiaircraft missile with a range of 37 mi. (60 km) and a 200-lb. (90 kg) warhead, launched from a tracked vehicle with radar and computer guidance and fire control.
My problem is with the primary definition, being number one. I believe all persons should love, support, and defend all countries with love and devotion, not just his or her own.
Nationalists don't even score 90 IQ... more like -90... they are dead in my eyes... worse actually.
But it's not the primary definition, and you know it. Nothings wrong with loving your own country. And how do you suppose you are going to 'love and defend' both warring states at the same time?
| surrealdeal wrote : But it's not the primary definition, and you know it. Nothings wrong with loving your own country. And how do you suppose you are going to 'love and defend' both warring states at the same time? |
HA HA right!
I'm going to call you twister.
Here is an analogy; *I'm famous for them* Say there are two kids. One belongs to your neighbor and the other is a stranger. Should you and or would you be inclined to love or defend one more than the other?
If yes, I would like to lick your face right after I wake up in the morning before I brush my teeth.
Also, I would treat two warring states the same way I would treat two warring children.
What if one of the kid belonged to your best bud and the other kid belonged to your mortal enemy? I don't think I'll be dispassionate there.
"I believe all persons should love, support, and defend all countries with love and devotion, not just his or her own. " What happened to ALL countries? What happened to no nationalism? Surely your metaphor isn't related to physical 'neighbors'. In which case, you would be siding with the one that has your interest in mind.
| Evilonigiri wrote : What if one of the kid belonged to your best bud and the other kid belonged to your mortal enemy? I don't think I'll be dispassionate there. |
...Ok, before I reply to this, I must ask if you're serious?
...maybe.
"...Ok, before I reply to this, I must ask if you're serious?" It's kind of like USSR vs Pakistan. We supply Pakistan with stinger missles, even though we hate them.
| surrealdeal wrote : "I believe all persons should love, support, and defend all countries with love and devotion, not just his or her own. " What happened to ALL countries? What happened to no nationalism? Surely your metaphor isn't related to physical 'neighbors'. In which case, you would be siding with the one that has your interest in mind. |
I don't understand your post clearly. Please explain.
I assumed that when you referred to your neighbor you were implying that, yes indeed you would, fight for someone you love before it was someone you hated.
| surrealdeal wrote : "...Ok, before I reply to this, I must ask if you're serious?" It's kind of like USSR vs Pakistan. We supply Pakistan with stinger missles, even though we hate them. |
Who is "we"? And who hates Pakistan and why?
Ok, Mr.Colorado. The USA, that's who. We hate them because they harbor terrorist, etc. Have our oil and money. This was done in the 80's
| surrealdeal wrote : I assumed that when you referred to your neighbor you were implying that, yes indeed you would, fight for someone you love before it was someone you hated. |
That is a safe assumption, though it does not aply.
I don't even understand why hating and fighting has to be involved. If there is a disagreement, why can't we respect the different points of view... That's what makes this a colorful world, no? Why should all think, act, and be the same?
So I guess I need you to tell me why one would hate another?
| surrealdeal wrote : Ok, Mr.Colorado. The USA, that's who. We hate them because they harbor terrorist, etc. Have our oil and money. This was done in the 80's |
Ok, for the heck of it, I'll say you're right. I'm already giving you too much, but thats ok.
So how much do you know about all the wrong the US government has done? Are you implying that the US government is better than other governments?
That's the trick, governments get their sheep to support them and voila! All of the sudden the sheep are fighting each other... Bro, the truth is you are supporting what you THINK is a good cause. All govenments are for themselves and not for their people. They are the leeches of our time and it is this that we people are so unconscious to realize.
On why we would hate each other:
Are you just dumb? Or do you just appreciate the utmost formal rigor? If the latter, then fine, but if the former http://www.voidspace.org.uk/galler [...] _STFU.html
"All govenments are for themselves and not for their people."
It's not like they would let you audit them.
...not found?
Image ain't working for me mate.
| surrealdeal wrote : Are you just dumb? Or do you just appreciate the utmost formal rigor? If the latter, then fine, but if the former http://www.voidspace.org.uk/galler [...] STFU.html: |
Lets go with both, if that makes you happy.
And I'm not even going to go to that site.
I'm not going to digress from the point I'm trying to make, but you have.
BTW, your attitude does answer why there is hate. You hardly know me and I can tell we are best friends.
Oh noes.
You initially said just a 'bunch of stuff', i did not know you were 'making a point' Is it that all Americans are sheep? All government is bad?
| surrealdeal wrote : Oh noes.
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Obviously you are taking this personally. I have no interest to continue what is becoming an argument with you. Though, I suggest you reread my posts and find the answer on your own.
You see, it is impossible to reason with a person who is fighting you... which you are.
| surrealdeal wrote : Oh noes.
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Let's see...Nixon...oh yeah! Watergate!
Clinton...hmm...
Bush? LMAO
I wonder why some people thinks government is bad.
Your initial statement has a lot in it, so it's hard to pick one MAIN point. I just chose 'nationalism' since was of interest of me. I also chose to attack one of your sub-points/arguments to give your main argument a thorough grilling. Let's see now, we can talk about the 'racism' issue. I hate blacks, and I am white. But I also hate most people. I would never act violently or malignantly against anyone black, though. So it seems to be a non-issue.
| surrealdeal wrote : Let's see now, we can talk about the 'racism' issue. I hate blacks, and I am white. But I also hate most people. I would never act violently or malignantly against anyone black, though. So it seems to be a non-issue. |
Okay bud. You're in the wrong place to be posting this. A forum is a place to spread advice, to help each other right? So if you hate most people, wtf are you doing here? Especially in Wingding's inner sanction?
I thought I could express myself freely. Forums are open, so I can say anything I want. My motives are my own. I did not see Wingdings name on the moderator list, and I doubt he owns Bestofmedia.
| surrealdeal wrote : I thought I could express myself freely. Forums are open, so I can say anything I want. My motives are my own. I did not see Wingdings name on the moderator list, and I doubt he owns Bestofmedia. |
Lets forget this discussion. You know, even if I was a mod, the last thing I would do would be to ban you. I believe it is the contrast that you are providing that helps push forward our specie. I don't agree with you, but maybe one day that person that you "hate" will come to your help and you might see we are all the same and there is no reason to hate.
Also, I would love to know what your reason is for hating non-whites... if I'm correct on this. If you do provide me with a reason, I will learn from you. So teach, master hater
Oh yeah, and let's not forget that this is the 'other' section, not for helping each other out with our hardware problems.
Clearly you didn't read ANY of the stickies...I'm thinking the "m" word here...
And NO, it's not Mormon.
| Evilonigiri wrote : Okay bud. You're in the wrong place to be posting this. A forum is a place to spread advice, to help each other right? So if you hate most people, wtf are you doing here? Especially in Wingding's inner sanction? |
It was my intention to come here and start a debate. I love to debate. So come on Kakerot, give it to me.
| scamtrOn wrote : It was my intention to come here and start a debate. I love to debate. So come on Kakerot, give it to me. |
Master-de-bater, at your service.
Problem is, I'm agreeing with you, can't debate there can I?
| Evilonigiri wrote : Master-de-bater, at your service.
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I bet you I'm darker than you... and thats a dominant thing... so... whachu got now!
Grr...
I can't help but to agree can I? I'm nearly albino!
| Evilonigiri wrote : Grr...
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You don't deserve the title master de bater, damn it! I would like to lick your face after not having brushed my teeth for a few days.
Sofar as I can "hate" it's more of an Attitude that I have developed through childhood. I do however acknowledge these feelings as false, and not based in reality. You say patriotism is racism. I disagree. It's good and wholesome, but can be perverted, or even co-inside with worse things, like religious extremism. There is an underlying problem, not patriotism in and of itself.
| surrealdeal wrote : Oh yeah, and let's not forget that this is the 'other' section, not for helping each other out with our hardware problems. |
Dood, you remind me of spud, man, I miss that guy. I hope you don't get banned.
Sorry. I only debate on things that I'm sure I can win.
That's why I'm the master, see?
| surrealdeal wrote : Sofar as I can "hate" it's more of an Attitude that I have developed through childhood. I do however acknowledge these feelings as false, and not based in reality. You say patriotism is racism. I disagree. It's good and wholesome, but can be perverted, or even co-inside with worse things, like religious extremism. There is an underlying problem, not patriotism in and of itself. |
Hmm... I don't mean to pry and you don't have to answer, but what and how did this happen in your childhood. I don't really believe you.
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